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May 8, 2008
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Vallejo City Council Declares Bankruptcy [NY Times]
A New Council Spending Inquiry [NY Times]
How Many Locals Has Ikea Hired? [Daily News]
Minerva Likely to Be in Sight [Daily News]
Bedbugs Riding the Rails [Daily News]
Quinn Announces New Budget Rules [NY Sun]
Sean Bell Protest Hits Brooklyn [Eagle]
4th Ave. F Stop Getting Reno'd [AMNY]
NY Real Estate: Flatbush [AMNY]
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Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 8:37 AM
Folks, the Department of Homeless Services intends to relocate the city's 600-bed central intake center from midtown Manhattan to the Bedford-Atlantic Armory in Crown Heights. This is a very smart move that will help both the city and Brooklyn care for the homeless. Please call your City Council representatives and let them know that you SUPPORT this move.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 9:07 AM
How is this good for Brooklyn, more homeless people in the neighborhood? I plan to urge my Council Member not to support this move.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 9:21 AM
I can support this move. We're talking about an area of Brooklyn that is already pretty rough, so the "more homeless people in the nabe" argument doesn't get much traction. Plus, having this facility in Crown Heights will result in better homeless services. It will be a positive force in Brooklyn *taken as a whole*.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 9:50 AM
Government Expansion is never a positive force.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 10:03 AM
Puleeze! 9:50, what crap. There is not a single truthful statement in your post.
Crown Heights/Bed Stuy is not a dumping ground for anything, and the homeless problem in this city is not served by simply dumping them in what you perceive as "a rough area". These are viable, beautiful, landmarked areas of Brooklyn, which are getting better every day, and drawing in people who can understand what we have here. Obviously, you are not one of those, and more obviously, you've never been here.
Finally, how are the homeless better served in Brooklyn, when most of those in the Manhattan shelter system came from Manhattan originally? The only people to benefit from this move are those with a financial stake in the building of the Manhattan hotel. Certainly not the residents of CH/BS, certainly not the homeless.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at May 8, 2008 10:20 AM
I don't see why Crown Heights should have to take on more of the homeless problem then any other area in the city. It's easy to say this move would help "the city as a whole" when it's not your neighborhood being asked to bare the burden.
10:03-are you suggesting that because in your eyes the neighborhood is "pretty rough" they should have to put up with more strain on their community? Sounds pretty classist to me.
The city as a whole should have to shelter their needy on a proportionate basis not just shuttle everyone off to what some might see as an undesirable section. Does anyone care about the families and businesses that exist here or are we all only to be concerned with the welfare and standard of living of those in the monied sections ie midtown.
Posted by: Tdeezy at May 8, 2008 10:44 AM
My two cents...
Crown Heights is already a mess and it makes good sense to put this facility where it will not have any appreciable negative effects. That's just common sense! Brooklyn could also use more extensive services for the homeless. I don't see how this could help but be a good thing for Brooklyn.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 10:51 AM
All who agree that this is a good idea are idiots! I would like for you all to explain why it's such a good idea. If it is, why aren't all of you jumping to volunteer your nabes. 9:50, the fact that you would mention that CH "is already pretty rough", just proves your ignorance and prejudice. CH is full of proud homeowners that have been here for a very long time. We are prepared to stand firm and fight. I would think that this expansion would affect other nabes, not just Crown Heights as a whole.
Posted by: faithful at May 8, 2008 10:51 AM
This is actually a very reasonable plan. The homeless facility has to be located somewhere, and if it's going to be in Brooklyn then Crown Heights is one of the two or three most logical destinations. The critics of this plan have to realize that the facility won't do anyone any good unless it has a physical location in space/time.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 11:21 AM
The Park Slope armory got a new fitness center, why can't they do something similar to this center? I'm sure none of you people agreeing with the placement of more homeless in Crown Heights would've went for that.
I bet that's not what you went by space is it 11:21? oh no not THAT space.
Posted by: Tdeezy at May 8, 2008 11:43 AM
Ok 9:50/10:51/11:21, I'll bite - why is it a logical destination? The vast majority of the people they are going to send to Crown Heights/Bed Stuy are from Manhattan. This is not convenient for them, certainly.
It is not convenient for us. We have an overabundence of social service facilities as it is, and we are not going to simply sit here and let the city move a huge intake center here. The Armory is on the corner of 2 very busy central thoroughfares, Bedford and Atlantic Avenues. The subway is not all that close, and most importantly, there are no programs for getting people permanently off the street, which is what is really needed, not shuffling the homeless around so tourists and the well heeled residents of the upper east side don't have to see them.
This area is undergoing a massive upsurge in new residents, new business, and a new spirit of revival. The Armory, an enormous landmark that could be doing much more than simply warehousing the homeless, is on the edge of the newly landmarked Crown Heights North historic district, and is adjacent to a Bed Stuy historic district, now in planning stages. People in this area, old and new, are proud of our tenacity and perserverence in preserving and bettering our neighborhoods. We are not a "mess". This is not the place for an intake facility.
Everyone understands the need for social service facilities. This is not NIMBYism, we have more than our share of facilities in our backyards, a well documented fact, illustrated in yesterday's Brownstoner article. Moving the intake center does not help anyone, except the Manhattan hotel owners and investors.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at May 8, 2008 11:59 AM
Williamsburg is closer to manhattan therefore it's better situated there...and they can walk across the bridge back to their old stomping grounds.
If Rudy were still mayor this place would be put in NJ!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at May 8, 2008 12:37 PM
9:07
9:50
10:51
11:21
12:46
STOP..you are just baiting these Crown heights residents and they don't understand it!!
Admit it, WBurg or NJ???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at May 8, 2008 12:52 PM
I see no reason why it shouldn't be in Crown Heights--NIMBY hysterics aside.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 12:58 PM
just a troll and folks who fall for the bait.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 1:00 PM
Tdeezy: "The Park Slope armory got a new fitness center, why can't they do something similar to this center?"
A: Because no one came up with the funding. A rec center in the Bedford Avenue armory was considered at the same time as the armory on Eighth Avenue. But elected officials in Park Slope allocated funds and those in Crown Heights.... Hey, when is the Jackie Robinson Center going to open at Fulton and Downing? (Same elected officials.) That's been in the works for a decade or longer.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 1:07 PM
1:07pm or anyone else who knows:
Not an argument, I'm actually asking: Who came up with the money for the rec center in Park Slope? City funds State funds? Park Slope community itself? Depending on were the money came from could it be that the money could have been spent in another community but better heeled/influential constituants pushed for it to be spent in their neighborhood?
ps. i don't live in Crown Heights, I just thinks it's blatantly obvious that this community is unfairly being burdened and I don't see how any citizen can argue otherwise.
Posted by: Tdeezy at May 8, 2008 1:53 PM
nevermind I missed that line in your post 1:07pm. still i think it sucks that a community with a lower tax base gets stuck with whatever manhattan wants to discharge on it becasue they don't have the money to allocate for a sports center to make the space unavailable
Posted by: Tdeezy at May 8, 2008 1:56 PM
Tdeezy, you're missing the point. Crown Heights has less to lose than most other Brooklyn neighborhoods. This is not just a reason to locate the homeless center there, but also a reason for you and other CH residents to relax. This center doesn't pose the least threat to you or your neighborhood. I honestly don't see why there is so much bile and vitriol over this.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 2:30 PM
Yeah...nothing to lose. We're about to be the largest area ever landmarked in NYC. Just thought I'd mentioned that. Ahem!!!
Posted by: faithful at May 8, 2008 3:54 PM
Mention away, but it has little bearing on the topic at hand. Social services and landmarked areas are extremely compatible.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 4:30 PM
An important issue re the move of the homeless central intake center is the uiderlying motive. Most of the press indicates that its very purpose is to _discourage_ people from accessing it in the first place in order to save money. The hope is that by placing it in Crown Heights rather than Manhattan some people who are homeless will instaead continue to burden families or friends rather than make use of the city's facility.
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 5:45 PM
That doesn't make sense. Crown Heights is a shithole with homeless people out the wazoo. Any homeless shelter opened there will receive plenty of use!
Posted by: guest at May 8, 2008 6:12 PM
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