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May 13, 2008

House of the Day: 468 Henry Street

Despite having been chopped up into four units, the brownstone at 468 Henry Street in Cobble Hill appears to have retained much of its original detail (or at least the parlor floor, which is all that's shown in the photos, has.) Given the configuration, however, and the potential expense involved in turning it into a two-family, we suspect that the $2,600,000 asking price is a bit of a stretch for the 3,000-square-foot building. Interestingly, the house did change hands just four months ago; unfortunately, public records do not reveal the price. Thoughts?
468 Henry Street [Corcoran] GMAP P*Shark

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Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 1:56 PM

I'd rather have the newly listed IM Pei interior designed Townhouse on 3rd Street just listed with Corcoran for this price...

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 1:57 PM

$2.1 mil

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 1:57 PM

Assuming it is delivered vacant, it is a very desirable property at a good price. If one is going to renovate and upgrade an old brownstone I do not see the big deal with turning multiple units back to one. Nothing could be easier. This house is a beauty. All it needs is the usual upgrades and a new cornice. The window openings look to be intact and the stoop is in place. A beauty. And it's in Cobble Hill! Not some obscure, sketchy sidestreet off Fulton or Myrtle somewhere.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 2:14 PM

Why is this only 3000 sq. feet if it is 22 feet wide and 4 stories? Is it really shallow? Are they not counting the garden floor?

I'm leaning toward 2:14's appraisal here. It is on a pretty block, solidly in Cobble Hill and with nice originals intact. And I tend to prefer the width to length thing... can't believe I just said that.

But you get what I mean. I hate the idea of an 11 foot wide living room. This one gets to be about 14 or 15 feet wide. Makes a big difference and one that I prefer.

Posted by: Nokilissa at May 13, 2008 2:26 PM

Nicely staged backyard!!! LOL I like those balconies on the back.

As far as the implication that the parlour floor is the only one with the architectural detail I don't really have a problem with that...the bedroom floors with baths should be modern with large bathrooms and lots of closet space, something you don't get with original brownstones...they all, have to be reconfigured anyway...even put in some nice (god forbid) ceiling lighting.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at May 13, 2008 2:37 PM

The building is 22*40. So 4 floors would make it 3,500sqft. It is a very desirable area, with extremely good school PS29. I think it will fetch close to the asking.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 2:41 PM

Nokilissa, I'm not going to touch that one! I would also remove that big red arrow from the roof. It doesn't fit the architectural character and style of the other homes.

Posted by: Biff Champion at May 13, 2008 2:43 PM

I actually think they will get close to ask on this.

Posted by: Carol Gardens at May 13, 2008 2:43 PM

Where is Cobble Hill? Close to Park Slope at all?

- Prospective Manhattan buyer

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 2:45 PM

You're right daveinbedstuy! It has an interesting French Quarterly feel back there! Didn't notice said iron "balconies"...wonder if you could cover them with vines and keep em' looking rather New Awlins-ish.

Posted by: Nokilissa at May 13, 2008 2:46 PM

Biff, I rather liked the red arrow on the roof. Could put antlers on it at Christmas time.

It'd be really cute!

Posted by: Nokilissa at May 13, 2008 2:49 PM

Yup, they are very New Awlins...and we could all go over and drink Mint Juleps, throw beads and ask any ladies down in the garden to "show us your *&^@s"

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at May 13, 2008 2:55 PM

The "balconies" are actually a fire escape system that it shares with the adjoining building. Still nice enough to put a chair on though.

The building is nice, but the parlor floor is the only really detailed and decent level. The other floors are basic rental units in decent to good shape. The garden level was kind of a disaster when I saw it.

But then it was 2.2mil and that was about 5 months ago.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 2:56 PM

Nokilissa, I say we paint "You Are Here" in giant letters on it and put a red circle underneath.

Speaking of red circles, Dave, you don't like the $5 (2 for $8) Target white chairs? I would flood the backyard with water in the winter to make a killer skating rink.

Posted by: Biff Champion at May 13, 2008 2:56 PM

Biff is funny

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 3:00 PM

Oh my God, we could drink mint juleps while ice skating AND throwing pretty colored beads at the ladies. I think this is ideal.

Posted by: Nokilissa at May 13, 2008 3:05 PM

Nokilissa, all that while debating whether width is more important than length and wondering why we didn't scoop up the newly listed IM Pei interior designed Townhouse on 3rd Street instead. But we best be advised to wear hockey helmets if we're going to drink and skate. I'll bring the helmets, you bring the mint juleps and Dave can bring the Zamboni (Dave, sorry to disappoint, but I'm referring to an ice cleaning machine and not some hot Italian guy you might pick up in Carol Gardens).

Posted by: Biff Champion at May 13, 2008 3:16 PM

What should Jerri bring?

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 3:19 PM

Jerri could bring a dictionary so I could learn how to spell "Carroll Gardens" and a bottle of JD so he can get up his courage to sign in again. ;-)

Posted by: Biff Champion at May 13, 2008 3:23 PM

Zamboni, stromboli, ravioli.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at May 13, 2008 3:26 PM

Does anyone know if those kinds of balcony/fire escapes are legal? I would love to replace my crappy fire escape with something like that.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 3:57 PM

The house is 22 x 40 x 4 floors. That's 3520 square feet. Get you facts straight, dude.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 4:04 PM

A bunch of years back, I looked at a first floor rental on the other side of the street that also had one of those New Orleans balconies. I wonder why there are so many on that particular block.

Posted by: Carol Gardens at May 13, 2008 4:09 PM

Maybe they are saying 3000 square feet because the other 600 square feet is occupied by a renter, an old battle-axe with 4 grandchildren all of whom are lawyers and connections to the mob.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 4:12 PM

I also think sq footage is understated and the asking price is understandable.
"the house did change hands just four months ago; unfortunately, public records do not reveal the price" - that would because there was no price. Looks to be estate transfer.
Owner was Camareri (or spelled something like that) - maybe was of bakery fame?

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 4:50 PM

House looks amazing on the outside. To me this is one of the nicest blocks in Brooklyn. I love me some HENRY street.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 5:25 PM

Haha, 4:12! That's a movie right there.

I think they'll get 100k less than ask. Don't ask why I say that, just a gut feel, and I've got quite a gut!

4:50: as in "Ronny Cammareri," Nick Cage's character in Moonstruck, who happened to work at Mazzola bakery just down the street?

Coincidence? Probably.

Posted by: BrooklynBear at May 13, 2008 5:27 PM

I wonder If that Idiot Noklissa even Knows where Henry st is? A few weeks Back she had no idea what Smith street was about now she Is commenting? You know nothing my friend.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 5:38 PM

I think these are short lots - only 80' deep. To me that should mean a discount even if the house itself isn't smaller

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 6:30 PM

Re: "I wonder if that Idiot Noklissa..." Not knowing "what Smith Street is about" does not make you an idiot. On the other hand, calling people "idiots" based on their perfectly reasonable posts does actually make you a jerk.

Posted by: Cobblekrill at May 13, 2008 6:31 PM

This house was on the market several months ago for $1.9million. Someone must have had second thoughts after closing the deal...

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 6:42 PM

This is a nice house. I bid 2.3 million. another half mil will make it livable.

Posted by: sam at May 13, 2008 7:18 PM

Thank you Cobblekrill.

And I have no recollection of having "no idea what Smith street was about" a few weeks back.

What does it mean to have no idea what a street is about? As an example, because I'm very familiar with Broadway, say, in the teens, but not so familiar with it as it streaks through midtown - because I don't particularly like that part of the City - does that mean I've no idea what Broadway "is about"?

Streets can be long and change character several times and through different neighborhoods "my friend".

7:18/Sam, I think you might be spot on.

I love the Moonstruck reference. And isn't the house from the movie for sale in BH? Or was it pulled...

I think I'm going to have to rent the movie. That and Streetcar. All this talk of New Orleans is making me misty.

Mint julep anyone?

Posted by: Nokilissa at May 13, 2008 8:00 PM

Making a mint julep is not a task for any piker. it must have the exact proportion of alcohol to ice to make the pewter or silver cup (it has to be served in a pewter or silver cup) frost over just right. It is a delightful drink especially if one uses home-grown mint.
...and good Kentuky sour mash.

Posted by: sam at May 13, 2008 8:18 PM

I'll bring the pewter!

And how about some George T. Stagg Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey?

The guy with that lush Garden of the Day has got to bring the mint. He seems like the kinda guy, with the kinda garden, who could contribute home-grown mint.

btw, it broke my heart into little pieces when Eight Belles went down. The mint julep in hand wasn't much help.

Posted by: Nokilissa at May 13, 2008 8:34 PM

I have to say those rear porches (piazzas in southern parlance) are beautiful. Who ever wrote they are fire escapes is full of crap. They are beautiful cast-iron porches like on the houses on Columbia Heights. Quite unusual.
I really should buy this old pile and invite Nokilissa and Biff up for juleps on Derby day.
(we will drink to the memory of great horses like Eight Belles)

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 8:52 PM

8:52 was me, Sam.
I thought i was logged in as me, but it came out as guest. i hate guest.

Posted by: sam at May 13, 2008 8:57 PM

WOW Nokilissa...I'm impressed with the George T. Stagg reference...no doubt Biff will be too . I have a pewter collection down in PA and will gladly bring it up here for drinking purposes.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at May 13, 2008 8:59 PM

Ah! This is wonderful. We have some serious connoisseurs here.

So, if Sam buys the place, we pretty much have fabulous garden drinking parties from here into perpetuity? With skating in the winters?

I'm in.

Posted by: Nokilissa at May 13, 2008 9:24 PM

Actually, this place was owned by a Cammareri and sold to a different family member recently after a long-running dispute. Both are related to the owners of the bakery, now located on Court St, and yes, featured in Moonstruck.

This is a gorgeous tree-lined block. They should have any trouble getting this asking price.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 9:24 PM

Does anyone know the story behind the orgin of the term "battle-axe"?

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 10:00 PM

6:30, I think your idea that the house should be discounted because of an 80' lot sounds great in theory, but I doubt it holds up in practice (at least as between 80' and 100'). Nor do I think an appraiser would factor it in. If the house is right, someone's going to bid just as much as they would on a 100' lot.

As for the Henry Street blocks in CH/CG, this is probably the nicest, but I prefer just about all of the Clinton Street blocks over the Henry Street ones.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 10:19 PM

WTF are you maroons talking about mint juleps and New Orleans in the same sentence? Order a Mint Julep in Nawlins and they'll dump you into the lake. Damn stupid Yankees should understand the difference between Louisville and Louisiana.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 10:53 PM

Give 'em Jack and Scope and call it done.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 11:42 PM

For $2,600,000 I demand a cornice at the very least.

Posted by: guest at May 13, 2008 11:54 PM

Awww, c'mon 10:53, it came from a pure place.

We were discussing the New Orleans feeeeel of the lovely back "balconies" followed by one on the home team (I think it was Daveinbedstuy) suggesting a Mint Julep to go along with the backyard, which was probably a vestige of last weekend's very southern Kentucky Derby celebration, and on it went from there.

No need to get all shitty on us, calling us "maroons" and all. A hybrid between the southern Macaroon and a moron, No?

And I've had many a delicious Mint Julep in New Orleans. It's not all Bourbon Street Hurricanes and madness. Can be quite civilized and lovely. Especially when the exact proportion of alcohol to ice make the pewter cup frost over just so. Especially in N'Awlins.

Shoo!

Posted by: Nokilissa at May 14, 2008 12:18 AM

This house was on the market last fall with a small Court St broker for $2.2 mil. It didn't sell back then. Let's see if the Corcoran broker can sell it at the higher price. It's a pretty block.

Posted by: guest at May 14, 2008 8:14 AM

Does Biff Champion have a job? Also, can he change his name? its too unethnic for brooklyn.

Posted by: guest at May 14, 2008 8:37 AM

Did somebody say “straight bourbon whiskey”? Let’s have a “Stagg” party! Looks like I'm fashionably late to the party. Nokilissa, don’t waste your time with 5:38. He’s just upset he’s not invited to the party with you, me, Sam, Cobblekrill and Dave (we’ll save a seat for Jerri, just in case). We can also pick up The Big Easy at our local video store (so much more intimate than Netflix). Hell, speaking of Moonstruck, why not amp up the Cheese-O-Meter and get Nicolas Cage’s Wild at Heart? We can throw on a couple of Bugs Bunny cartoons prior to the show like in an old time drive in. I vote for Rhapsody Rabbit featuring Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 in C-sharp minor, by Franz Liszt. Tonight what (Brooklyn) heights we'll hit! Isn’t the Belmont coming up? Our perfect opportunity to have a dress rehearsal for next year’s Derby!

Posted by: Biff Champion at May 14, 2008 8:46 AM

8:37, yes I do have a job - sorry, I'm not on the market. And it's flexible enough to allow me to post as often as I want, much to the delight of people like you. Isn't that wonderful! I think "guest" might be slightly more "unethnic".

Posted by: Biff Champion at May 14, 2008 8:58 AM

Aren't these type of jobs great!!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at May 14, 2008 9:04 AM

Dave, they sure are. No way in hell I would actually be spending so much of the day here on my OWN time when I'm not getting paid for it.

Posted by: Biff Champion at May 14, 2008 9:25 AM

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