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March 14, 2008
Fascinating Claim: East New York as the Next Harlem?
Who could've predicted this? Some folks—Marty Markowitz, for one—say notoriously downtrodden and crime-ridden East New York is undergoing a renaissance and could become "the new Harlem." There's been a lot of demand for home ownership options in the area, most notably at the massive condo conversion MeadowWood at Gateway, where prices range from $110,500 to $350,000. "There is no question that the neighborhoods with higher rates of home ownership have the greatest stability, schools and community services," says Markowitz of how ENY is changing. "Brooklynites outside of the ‘Brownstone Belt' don't realize that we have an affordability issue in certain neighborhoods and we're losing families to other areas such as New Jersey. We're committed to not letting that happen." Other developments are also boosting the sprawling neighborhood's profile, including the Related Companies Gateway Center shopping mall, which has a Target, Home Depot, Best Buy, and a supermarket and is going to be expanded in coming years with more big-box retail. Another large ENY home-ownership project, Nehemiah Housing Complex, is also currently being built. The complex will bring more than 2,000 middle-income units to the neighborhoods, with prices starting at $158,000. "Every place has its time," says Fillmore Real Estate's John-Paul Ho, who heads the team selling MeadowWood. "Now it's East New York. It's like a Cinderella story for the entire area."
Is East New York the New Harlem? [NY Daily News]
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Laugh as you will.....
I know many ( well, OK...3 ) couples who moved out to ENY after the hipness of Williamsburg died out and Bushwick was hardly an alternative. This was 96 or 97. 2 of these 3 couples stayed.
Yuppies and bugaboo strollers might take a decade or so to travel that far South but believe me, the kids with bi level haircuts and too tight jeans are already there. They are not en masse, but they are there,
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:03 AM
one difference between harlem and east new york.
harlem has nice housing stock.
east new york is a hellhole.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:06 AM
Im riding with the What on this one. Recapturing the Brownstones was the hidden agenda behind NYC subprime fiasco.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:14 AM
10:14
If you are suggesting a conspiracy, do tell. Because that is as far fetched as it comes.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:17 AM
you are an idiot 10:30/10:14. You and the tWhat are just renters who can't handle that Brooklyn is changing and you were left behind. Get lost, you fucknuckle.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:33 AM
the people buying in east NY are the same culture as the people already living there. Theres no displacement.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:33 AM
45... wow -- your family must be so proud...
and while chronologically you may not be a child -- psychosocially you clearly lag behind. your personality is grating. your line of thought is lacking. and overall, your whole m.o. is a bit pedestrian.
i too remember when people thought andrew dice clay was funny -- and i can understand that you probably thought he was hilarious --- in fact, hilarious enough for you to model your whole shtik after. but that was 20 years ago.. time to drop the dice act.
initially, i found you irritating. but now knowing that you're 45 -- i think you're just sad.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:35 AM
I agree with 10:06! Harlem has beautiful homes. ENY does not!
ENY will never ever be the new Harlem! The place is a dump with no potential.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:37 AM
10:06 -
Have you ever BEEN to ENY? Have you ever been to Cypress Hills? There are not many brownstone buildings but there are plenty brick row houses, tree lined blocks, and grand Victorian Homes, not to mention parking.
I was born and raised in FG and that made ENY look like paradise and now it's yuppie land. Yes every town in BK WILL be gentrified sooner or later. Change is the only thing in life that is certain.
The housing stock is different yes, but there is a housing stock with just as much history as FG, CH, BS, PS, and any other town in BK. It's OK I understand many (not all) posters here do not know much BK History and are newcomers. But please do your research before making your ignorant comments.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:38 AM
10:06 -
Have you ever BEEN to ENY? Have you ever been to Cypress Hills? There are not many brownstone buildings but there are plenty brick row houses, tree lined blocks, and grand Victorian Homes, not to mention parking.
I was born and raised in FG and that made ENY look like paradise and now it's yuppie land. Yes every town in BK WILL be gentrified sooner or later. Change is the only thing in life that is certain.
The housing stock is different yes, but there is a housing stock with just as much history as FG, CH, BS, PS, and any other town in BK. It's OK I understand many (not all) posters here do not know much BK History and are newcomers. But please do your research before making your ignorant comments.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:38 AM
10:17 my comment was clear. fuck off! I own. look elsewhere for your term paper.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:39 AM
gawd i hate it when realtors do the "____ is the new ____", they're just inviting scorn. that said, i have high hopes that ENY is far enough off the gentrification map that reasonable plans for continued affordable housing can be made. brownstone snobs may just see a slum but there's actually a lot of nice housing stock in some parts of the neighborhood. people like to paint ENY with one brush, just like they used to do to bed stuy (okay some still do).
Posted by: Jimmy Legs at March 14, 2008 10:40 AM
i've been to east new york.
it's disgusting and ugly.
i find almost nothing redeeming about it.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:42 AM
10:42
STOP LYING!!!! NAME ONE STREET;;;;;;;;;;;
GO BACK TO KANSAS ASSWIPE!!!!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:46 AM
Some of the interest comes from spill over from Queens as an expanding South Asian and Carribean community look for cheaper options than in southeast Queens.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:47 AM
Inner city Detroit is nicer than East New York.
So is Compton.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:51 AM
Oh now we edit the page huh! You knew when you posted this crap about ENY this was going to happen. I said it before and I will say it again. This is a covert racist bullshit blog. Oh BTW I you think gentrification is going to work out, the economy is going to kill you.
All of you are bag holders if Brownstones in minority neighborhood!
Plus Bear Sterns is imploding! They my be Insolvent by this afternoon! I hope this whole thing crash! Bring it on baby!!!
The What (Reping The Hood)
Someday this war is gonna end....
Shout out to my peeps in ENY
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:51 AM
10:46. Don't worry. These are the same people who hate Bed-Stuy, Crown Heights and every other neighborhood they have never been to. Feel proud that you are now in the glorious company of other "fringe" areas that will, some day very soon, be sought after locations to live.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:52 AM
I have a house in ENY-Cypress hills the stock is great-from 1920's to 2008-highland park is there and also hipsters are now moving to jamaica ave and arlington avenue. ENY is well on its way-loft heaven can be created on atlantic street streching from alabama street to bradford-wait and see who will have the last laugh. also highland park will be renovated in the next 2 years.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:55 AM
ENY should cede from the state. That's how great it is!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:57 AM
Gosh such hostility, what is wrong with ENY becoming the next Harlem? Why can't another town in BK thrive and change for the better?
LOL, Most of you do not know what YOUR areas looked like through out the 70's 80's & 90's -many of the brownstones we struggle to pay were once loved by postitutes, drug dealers and abusers. Streets were filled with crack tubes and tops of assorted colors, dealers on the corner at 5:00 a.m., ENY is no different and only true BK lovers understand and hope for all towns in BK to improve and make it safe for the next generation.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:57 AM
tWhat, your neighborhood, Clinton Hill, has gentrified and you can't handle that the new residents are actually well-behaved and civil. They look at you as if you are a piece of ghetto trash. You know why? Because you are. Your old neighbors (who were also well-behaved and civil) thought you were trash too, but they kept their mouths shut and then just sold their houses for big profits. Now they don't have to deal with you.
Where does that leave you? In your rent-controlled apartment dreaming of the day when real estate will crumble and the nasty days of your childhood will return. They won't. Get used to it or get out.
As for any conspiracy, go ask your old neighbors - who were black - why they joined in the plot to "destroy" your world. They will just laugh at you for being such an idiot.
The war is over. You lost. get out.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:59 AM
Not a pretty picture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_New_York,_Brooklyn
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:59 AM
What - you are clearly racist - why would you condemn others on here no different from you?
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:00 AM
Whats "reping" the hood. repossessing?
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:02 AM
i love the idiots that think east new york is going to do anything now with the economy tanking.
even bed stuy, crown heights and clinton hill are going to suffer some and these are barely fringe neighborhoods.
east new york will gentrify allright.
in about 2040.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:02 AM
Absent the bad parts of town, Brooklyn becomes merely a suburb...
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:02 AM
10:59...
the largest secton on the wikipedia entry for east new york is the HUGE list of housing projects.
LOLOLOLOL
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:03 AM
I'm just waiting for a broker signing in as "guest" will describe the area as "edgy" with "restaurants and clubs soon to open"
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:05 AM
u can delete my comments as well from this thread.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:05 AM
11 projects and counting!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:05 AM
east new york is dangerous as hell.
i wouldn't even walk around there during the day.
a little boy was shot yesterday in ocean hill.
it's a whole other world out there.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:11 AM
ENY has *great* housing stock. Just look at the picture in this post!
Posted by: zinka at March 14, 2008 11:12 AM
"tWhat, your neighborhood, Clinton Hill, has gentrified and you can't handle that the new residents are actually well-behaved and civil."
Hoo Whoo!! I wasn't going to post this but. I was coming down Fulton St last night about 11:00. two drunken "new residents" was yelling and acting stupid. Then one of the "new resident" pushed his friend into the street (that shit was funny) and walked toward Grand Ave.
You telling new that the "new residents" are well-behaved and civil??!! On a Saturday night about 3:00 these "new residents" are causing a fuss all over the place coming drunk from Manhattan. The asshats will be "future robbery victims" not "new residents". Well-behaved and civil my ass.
"Where does that leave you? In your rent-controlled apartment dreaming of the day when real estate will crumble and the nasty days of your childhood will return. They won't. Get used to it or get out."
Nope Assfuck, there are bigger forces that will take care of the problem for me. You see African-American can live under any condition. We have done this for 400 years and will continue to live. The "new residents" will cut bait and run when America goes thru the Depression, thats right D2.
Read about Bear Sterns one of the "new residents" got on CNBS 2 days ago and said they was not having any liquidity problems but, this "new resident" lied. Like the rest of the "new residents"!
Stocks Fall, Led by Banks; Bear Stearns Drops Most Ever
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a0.ZqY_67Q6Y&refer=home
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:17 AM
Presumably the twat knew they were new residents after polling them for information about when they moved in.
Of course he could just be making mass generalizations based on the appearance of the alleged "new residents" and his biased stereotyping.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:26 AM
MR BROWNSTONER PLEASE GO TO ENY AND TAKE GOOD PICS OF THE HOMES IN CYPRESS HILLS AND HIGHLAND PARK PLEASE - POST THEM SO THAT THESE NEWCOMERS CAN SEE THAT ENY DOES HAVE A NICE HOUSING STOCK. THE PICTURE ABOVE IS LIMITED IN SCOPE.
BE SURE TO GO TO THE TOP OF HIGHLAND PARK AND TAKE PICS OF THE VICTORIAN MANSIONS, WHEN YOU GO TO CYPRESS HILLS TAKE PICS OF THE VICTORIAN MANSIONS AROUND CLEVELAND AVE AND THE BRICK ROW HOMES AS WELL. IT IS YOUR JOB TO EDUCATE THE BK NEWCOMERS OF ALL AREAS OF BK.
PLEASE DO THIS AND SHOW THE SCARED NEWCOMERS ALL BROOKLYN HAS TO OFFER.
THANKS IN ADVANCE.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:28 AM
11.26 - you mean the Twat is racist? No way!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:30 AM
Hey I didn't write "new residents" the assfuck did.
See "tWhat, your neighborhood, Clinton Hill, has gentrified and you can't handle that the new residents are actually well-behaved and civil"
Also assfuck wrote: "the new residents are actually well-behaved and civil"
ROTFLMMFAO "well-behaved and civil"???!!!!!
Oh man!!! Thats funny, oh shit LMAO Ah. You can't make this shit up.
Way to go Brownstoner! Hot button topics. LMAO
The What (Fuck You)
Someday this war is gonna end.....
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:32 AM
The difference between the "new residents" and those who have lived in the area for a long time is the new residents get drunk and play around and push each other. The old schoolers get drunk, fool around and shoot each other.
Go figure.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:32 AM
fucknuckle. awesome.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:35 AM
"11.26 - you mean the Twat is racist? No way!"
With me there is no covert shit. This whole blog is racist.
This my neighborhood motherfuckers. I was born and raised here. Thats my main point and if you want to paint me a racist you go right ahead. Thats bullshit to cover up your own bullshit!!!!!!!!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end....
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:36 AM
11:28. shut up. no one cares.
YOU go take pictures. this isn't cnn. it's brownstoner.
it's about brownstones.
in brownstone brooklyn.
there happens to be an article today about east new york and it's obvious from the posts above that not too many people are interested.
why don't you start a cypress hills blog.
would love to see how many hits a day you get.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:36 AM
Twat - Why do we need to paint you as one when you practically scream it?
"this is my neighborhood" = grow up.
Your fear of outsiders would make you a great border guard.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:40 AM
A recent photo from my trip to ENY:
http://www.brezice.com/sala/ghetto%202.jpg
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:40 AM
The all caps guy is psychotic.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:40 AM
seriously "IT IS YOUR JOB" was uncalled for.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:42 AM
Steve Bushemi is from East New York
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:42 AM
Steve Buscemi is a little creepy...
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:43 AM
11:40 AM LMMFAO!!! I knew someone was going to some stupid shit!!!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:44 AM
Is he related to Steve Buscemi?
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:44 AM
Yea, i'd like to see some pics of any decent houses there. Must be some.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:47 AM
11:12 you jest,
I could also go to FG, CH, PS, BS, and take pics of the worst blocks and post them and they would probably look just as bas if not worse than the pic above.
I understand you are new to BK but do not allow this pic to speak for all ENY.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:48 AM
The tWhat assumes all new residents are non-black, which is wrong. It simply points out that he is a racist because he can't imagine blacks as being well-behaved and civil. Btw, tWhat, blacks are also educated and well-mannered, are employeed, pay taxes and don't steal wi-fi access from others.
The tWhat = ghetto ass punk bitch and first class fucknuckle
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:49 AM
11:49 -- you forgot well spoken...
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:50 AM
11:36 is a racist asswipe from CA, go back please and leave BK, YOU do not belong here newcomer!!!!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:53 AM
ENY has attractive areas with good housing stock and blighted areas that are dirty and crime-ridden. As with most neighborhoods, it depends on where you are.
That said, ENY will never become the next Harlem, purely because of its location. It is much too far from and lacks the flair that Harlem's history provides.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:58 AM
"assumes all new residents are non-black"
No fucknozzle, You ASSume that I assume. I used the term "new residents".
You are obscure with no identity and trying to get a "Rep" attacking The What. Find your own soap box bitch or meet me in Clinton Hill.
BTW You cant say "blacks are also educated and well-mannered, are employeed, pay taxes and don't steal wi-fi access from others."
Then say "The tWhat = ghetto ass punk bitch and first class fucknuckle"
Stop jerking off under your sheet LMMFAO! Stupid
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:59 AM
100 year old brownstones are so expensive to renovate and maintain. Working class people should not aspire to own them. I do not get that at all. If anyone looks at a brownstone owned by a working to middle class family who have been there ages, there is usually a multitude of permit violations because repairs have always been done on the cheap. And who could blame them? Everything is so expensive.
ENY offers houses that are a little newer, not so huge, thus not so pricey to maintain. That's not a bad thing. It makes it more affordable, less time consuming, and less stressful. It's great if ENY can become safer and nicer and prouder for its residents. But the city should be focusing on creating nice new affordable housing here, and on nice quality middle-class townhouses, developments like that. Markowitz shouldn't be trying to create a "new Harlem" phenomenon here. What does that even mean? Harlem and ENY are apples and oranges, historically and architecturally and geographically and everything. Markowitz is an idiot. He should not be trying to become an economist or real estate expert suddenly. Stick to what you know, Marty. Shake hands and smile.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:00 PM
Attack of the Anons, Like some Dr. Who shit so I will be Dr. What, fighting the Anons. Woo Hoo!!!
Dr. What
Someday the Anons is gonna be dead
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:08 PM
east new york is a shitshow
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:12 PM
Actually, 11:36, there is absolutely a slant to what's covered here and totally an agenda. Brownstoner purposely chose a photo of the ugliest houses they could find for ENY. It was to show what they thought was so absurd about Markowitz' statement.
As for what Brownstoner the website is supposed to cover, here's the descriptive tag line under the name of the website on the header:
"Brooklyn Inside & Out"
Not Brownstones Inside & Out. Brooklyn Inside & Out.
BROOKLYN. That means all of it. This website is also, as everybody understands, a preservationist-minded blog. Preservation is supposed to apply to all significantly historical structures, such as older Victorians, no matter what neighborhood they are in. Not only the ones in the fancy white neighborhoods.
Well that is, unless you are a big fat phony and you're only preservationist when it conveniently suits you and your own house and your own neighborhood.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:13 PM
seems like markowitz been in office forever
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:13 PM
so cypress hills is the only nice part? love the 2007 school closure due to poor performance. can't wait to send my kids there...
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:14 PM
if you think that pic is of the ugliest houses you need to get over there!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:16 PM
They should pave over the whole thing and turn it into a parking lot for Brooklyn proper>
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:18 PM
You have to admit, though, they do have nice tree lined streets:
http://www.brezice.com/sala/ghetto%202.jpg
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:19 PM
Where should I meet you in Clinton Hill tWhat? Classon and Fulton, by the hourly "hotel" where you drink your 40 from a straw while waiting for your next customer to hire you?
tWhat = ghetto ass punk bitch.
Shame you never got further than PS 56. Go back to school and that that GED you always dreamed you'd have.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:23 PM
12:18 PLEASE GO AWAY YOU RACIST, I TOLD YOU TO GO BACK HOME AND STAY OUT OF BK!!!!!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:23 PM
"Where should I meet you in Clinton Hill tWhat? Classon and Fulton, by the hourly "hotel" where you drink your 40 from a straw while waiting for your next customer to hire you?"
What time??!!!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:25 PM
A tryst at the hourly hotel -- sounds like a love connection.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:27 PM
Yes you're right 12:16, those aren't the ugliest houses in ENY. Those are cute houses. People here might not choose them but they look to be nicely kept.
However they are not Victorians and there certainly are older structures than these ones in ENY. Also, please keep in mind you find a ton of houses exactly like this in Sunset Park and Bay Ridge and yet those houses are never chosen to represent those neighborhoods.
So I think my point still stands.
By the way, I am not an ENY homeowner or resident. I just truly love old houses, all of them, not only when they're expensive. That's usually the case for people who aren't brand new to owning old houses. I've lived in them all my life. I didn't buy one only recently and only when it seemed cool because everybody else was doing it.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:29 PM
Do they have a Yogo Monster there yet?
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:32 PM
AMEN 12:29
Perhaps Mr. B needs to go back the drawing board and consider capturing the nicer looking blocks of ENY - as 11:28 mentioned above, I would like to see other old homes in this area.
Mr. B it is official, please be brave and take a trip to ENY and take real pics of some of the areas like Cypress Hills, Highland, etc.. and report back in a week.
It is time to see other old structures in BK other than the typical attached cookie cut Brownstone.
While you are out there shake a hand or just say "hello", remember they are just people. Hard working families do exist in ENY, everyone is not a drug dealer or a thief.
I am eager to see the pics Mr. B.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 12:37 PM
Markowitz may not be too far off. I took the picture that's used in this post, and that block and the ones around it feel downright suburban -- well-groomed lawns and big cars. It's bizarre. There's a fair share of hipsters at the New Lots L stop (I realize this is unbelievable) -- not many by any means, but then again ENY is beyond cheap.
Check the other photos in that set if you want to see some devastation, though. It's very block-by-block out there.
Posted by: Zach at March 14, 2008 12:43 PM
Zach - please go back and take some more photos of the Victorians and brick row homes by Highland Park and Cypress Hills.
We all would like to see the nice home in ENY.
Thanks.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:02 PM
Hm, actually, I did, and it got blocked for some reason when I posted the comment. You can check out some of the older housing (mostly in bad shape, but some very nice) here:
http://flickr.com/photos/zachvs/sets/72157602911594648/
I've got some Cypress Hills photos here:
http://flickr.com/photos/zachvs/sets/72157603393333899/
Let's see if this comment sticks.
Posted by: Zach at March 14, 2008 1:10 PM
Yeah Mr. B blocked it
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:12 PM
tWhat, 8 PM. Meet you by the bogeda on the souteast corner of Classon and Fulton. Your the crazy one ranting on the corner, right?
No need to invite your prison buddies. You will all be going back soon enough.
And since when is posting as the tWhat considered as being completely transparent as to who you are?
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:16 PM
Hey Zach, I saw some of your photos of Cypress Hills, some of the brick rows are nice but there are some wonderful victorians in that area you forgot to catch. Those pics of ENY however look horrid! Did you purposly go to the worse blocks to take your flicks?
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:32 PM
1.16 - how many illiterate, racist, tribe-mentality, I-was-born-here-so-its-mine WiFi stealing losers in Clinton Hill could there be?
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:35 PM
worst blocks
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:36 PM
Looked at the photos. You're right, it's very spotty and very house by house and block by block. Some nice enough houses but no rows of houses on entire blocks.
Seems Marty's plan would really be for ENY to be filled with new construction buildings. Which is good, for providing affordable housing.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:38 PM
East NY needs a stadium. lets build there.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:42 PM
If residents there are saying there are houses and blocks better than this then why would photos be offered up that don't show this? And yet claim they fairly represent the area's housing stock?
He purposely chose the worst blocks it does sound like. Like by instruction from above.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:44 PM
Has anyone read "How East New York Became a Ghetto" by Walter Thabit?
http://www.amazon.com/How-East-York-Became-Ghetto/dp/0814782671/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205516362&sr=8-3
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:46 PM
I think that a lot of people have it wrong. On the one hand, eny doesn't need to be "another harlem" to make it successful. it doesn't need hype and speculation. On the other hand, the people say that it is a dump have never been there, i can pretty much guarantee it, there are some rough parts but people like to talk about things they know nothing about. When I am at the end of eastern parkway or the northern part of penn ave, I don't need to imagine what it would look like when it is developed, it is already nice. If you are a typical yuppie armchair real estate speculator who thinks that 900k for a bed stuy brownstone is a good deal, then don't go to eny yet, wait until the ny times give you the go ahead, then you can start talking about it like you know what's up. Then you can buy from me.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:52 PM
East New York is currently in contract with many commercial/residential developers and is going to be changing for the better very very soon. There will be lots of new projects taking place up and down Atlantic Ave over the next two years. Many empty lots will be converted into parks for the kids and some will make room for high rise condo's.
There are a few revitalizing projects going on as we type but Mr. B never covers them so it leaves the new comers believing that nothing good is going on in ENY.
Please to not solely rely on this site as the only resource for info on BK in and out.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 1:53 PM
Well, actually, I did choose the worst blocks in ENY, because that's the sort of thing that needs documenting. Nice blocks don't get destroyed, and it's true, there are some. I only grabbed shots of a couple, though. Cypress Hills, on the other hand, is basically all reasonably nice blocks. I used to live across the park in Ridgewood, but never made it into Highland Park so far.
Posted by: Zach at March 14, 2008 1:57 PM
Does East New York have a Starbucks??
If not, it's dead to me.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 2:03 PM
Thanks for responding Zach - I understand your purpose in documenting the worst blocks in ENY but for the purpose of enlightening some of the posters here it would be nice to view the beauty of ENY(Cypress Hills, Highland Park).
Next time take some shots of the renovated Highland Park, huge park.
http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/highlandpark
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_newsroom/daily_plants/daily_plant_main.php?id=20130
Additionally, the park also has an annual carnival every year in June with all kinds of activities for the family.
And Zach right across the street from the park(on the Jamaica ave side) you will see about two blocks of straight brick row houses.
If you go to the top (I think this is the highest point in BK) you will see breath taking views of BK. While your up there take a few shots of the wonderful homes tucked away that no one ever sees because they are so far up there.
It is like another world up there, very old farm like victorian homes, it is very strange to see them, some of the families have been there over ages.
Don't only capture the negative please capture the positive as well.
Do you think you can accomplish this Zach? Let us know. Thanks.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 2:15 PM
i'd like to see pics of the farmhouse type houses.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 2:19 PM
I nominate Zach to lead us to the highland park/Cypress Hills mountain top!!!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 2:31 PM
Zach for President!!!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 2:36 PM
so stupid.
your boosting of eny has made everyone hate it.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 3:04 PM
So far out of 70 comments, 1:52 sums it up best.
Touche.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 3:16 PM
um....1:52 is a broker who works in east new york.
my god you people are gullible.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 3:25 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ex-velveteen/sets/72157594509875608/
I found this album on flickr with pics from Cypress Hills.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 3:58 PM
WOW 3:58 - finally someone with a true love for historic towns in Brooklyn, I looked at alot of the pics and those are some impressive Victorians, the brick rows are nice too. I wish we could see what the inside looks like in those Victorians, the details must be amazing.
Good job and thanks for sharing.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 4:09 PM
One big difference between ENY and Harlem is accessibility to Manhattan. Unless I'm wrong (or unless more of the neighborhood has access to the LIRR than I imagine), Harlem is a lot closer to Manhattan.
I know nothing of the housing stock, but I hope that, for the sake of ENY, that this trend continues.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 4:13 PM
Stop responding to the twhat. Every one knows he's a white boy from Idaho
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 4:17 PM
what needs to happen is we need to get all of these newbies from california out of here. they need to go right back to the west coast where they belong. i will be more than happy to help. fucking asswipes!!!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 4:27 PM
i think we need to get the illiterate old goombahs from brooklyn outta here first.
they bring down the whole neighborhood.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 4:33 PM
East New York, like many other Bklyn neighborhoods, is huge. The Cypress Hill area (isn't this technically it's own separate nabe?) is full of 19th century houses and has a very different feel from the rest of ENY.
Excluding Cypress Hill, nobody ever claimed that the area was ever more than a working class part of town. Most of the existing row houses date from the 1930's or later, and even the commercial buildings are of a modest scale and architecture. (There are a few exceptions) Since it was so underbuilt, what a perfect place to put blocks upon blocks upon blocks of high rise NYCHA housing, our city planners thought. And they did. And then they forgot about the area, except when some horrendous crime happened, and then, like here, people shook their heads and said, "well, it's in ENY, what do you expect?"
I applaud the new construction of affordable housing, shopping malls and activity. Like anywhere else, most of the people there are hard working people just trying to survive. If they work in Manhattan, it's over an hour commute by subway. How about applauding and supporting anything that makes their lives better and easier. These are the clerks, civil workers, health care workers, teachers and office staff workers that keep this city going. What's good for them is good for Brooklyn and the city, and good for us. And yes, don't be surprised to hear about artists, and the rest of the shock troops of gentrification settling in. It's inevitable.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at March 14, 2008 5:25 PM
Montrose Morris excellent representation. I have lived in Cypress hills for 4 years and own a 1920 home on a cul de sac "deadend block". I am a professional who graduated from Columbia university. I have private parking and only a 3 block walk to a huge Park. I think the many people who comment on ENY donot venture out to see what other parts of ENY exist or they are just frequent internet viewers of the COP stats. I have recently seen several new residents of other ethnicities residing in Cypress hills. ANd for all of those who say why I live here it's simple could not afford WB, CH, or bedstuy and preferred to settle here because I love Brooklyn. I enjoy and utilize the park. The park is being renovated in 2009 with a reservoir with kayaking and new tennis courts and other great features. You guys donnot know what u are missing. The houses are amazing eventhough they are not brownstones. ANd for the ass hole who commented that this website is about brownstones stop talking out your ass.
Harlem neeeds to get off their high horse. You guys had the neighborhood for years and never did anything until the "white" people came along. ANd there are plenty of Housing prjects in Harlem they are just clustered closer together in which easy to control unlike ENY.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 7:01 PM
Hey Bushwick is too hard to get used to too many resistant Spanish folk and others who like that grimy shithole. I moved the Cypress Hills and like it. THey have a nice YMCA on Jamaica Ave and the park is great and they are renovating it like 7:08 stated. I am a white guy who used to live in Bushwick and enjoy Cypress hills much better plus cheaper. Nice homes. I hope more people like me come on over. Its a great place to open up some businesses the area needs.
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 7:06 PM
I hope the tWhat is driving in from his job in the suburbs to meet me. Classon and Fulton you fucknuckle
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 7:11 PM
Where were you, you little bitch tWhat?!
tWhat = ghetto ass punk bitch!
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 9:05 PM
Dear 9:05,
Judging by your writing style and signature (tWhat = ghetto ass punk bitch!), I have scanned this board to see how many times you've posted, as well as WHEN you posted.
You posted comments at:
10:33 AM
10:59 AM
11:49 AM
12:23 PM
1:16 PM
7:11 PM
9:05 PM
So it appears that you have spent the ENTIRE DAY on Brownstoner getting into a pissing match with a complete and total stranger. Not just a few hours. The ENTIRE day.
To top it off, you spent the better part of this day trying to encourage an actual RL physical altercation with this person.
You not only don't have a life, you don't work, as evident from the large span of time you have available to you to post this much on a blog.
Please do some serious soul searching, because you've clearly now hit bottom.
Sincerely,
Concerned NY Citizen
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 10:19 PM
Thanks, 7:01. I do have to disagree with you about Harlem, however. There has been plenty going on there for years, not just when the white folks "discovered" it. Church based affordable housing, Harlem civic groups which have renovated and revitalized whole blocks, as well as a well established black upper class, centered around Convent Ave in the 140's and around City College. (I encourage anyone who loves brownstone architecture to take a field trip there, it's absolutely beautiful, and always has been.)
But like most minority communities, Harlem only receives bad press, never good, until the "rediscovery". The rest of NY never knew about all of the vital work Abyssinian Baptist and other powerful churches have been doing for years, revitalizing block after block of houses. You never hear about Graham Court, a magnificent apt building on par with the Dakota and the Apthorp Apartments, and home to Harlem's upper crust since the 20's. Lower Harlem, from 110th to 125th around Lenox is getting all the attention and press now, but other parts of Harlem - Convent Ave, Sugar Hill, the fantastic prewar apt buildings on the far West Side, as well as the Jumel Mansion area - all these have been quietly lived in and maintained all these years. Harlem is just beginning its second renaissance.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at March 14, 2008 11:38 PM
10:19=PussAss "The What"
Posted by: guest at March 14, 2008 11:42 PM
Hey The What...
Isn't it kind of pathetic that you are commenting about how much we are obsessing and stalking and have spent the ENTIRE day on this but....
so are you.
and so have you.
And at 12:40 in the morning?
The joke is on you, brother.
As a Black man, I must say brothers like you are bringing us down. You are perpetuating a stereotype.
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 8:36 AM
11:42- I (10:49) am NOT The What. If you could rub two brain cells together, you'd see that this person and I have two different posting styles. I'm just an on again, off again browser of Brownstoner who was passing though the site yesterday evening. I couldn't help notice that with your signature, you'd spent your whole day here posturing like a typical internet tough guy. You clearly have no life; otherwise, you wouldn't spend an entire day getting into it with a stranger.
And you proved my point that you have no life by posting AGAIN at 11:42 and being so obsessed with a Brownstoner poster that you assumed I was him.
One last thing: if you read the Urban Dictionary definition of Internet Tough Guy, you'll be embarrassed at how close some of your posts have come to matching what they have under that entry. The only thing you didn't do was claim to be a martial arts master.
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 10:25 AM
8:36 - Actually the joke is on you. The What had nothing to do with 10:19, because we're two different people. Your cocky and arrogant belief that I am this person-- with no way of knowing-- is why I take the net less and less seriously these days. It's apparently filled with a lot of arrogant jerks going online and talking about mere assumptions with *such conviction* and *authority* when they have NO IDEA what they're talking about.
Go ahead and guess my shoe size, where I live, and what my favorite color is while you're at it, since your powers of deduction are so brilliant!
Get a life, along with your buddy there, 11:42-- and all the trolls here at brownstoner here who spend all day playing *internet tough guy* and *pissing match*.
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 10:35 AM
10:35
ACTUALLY the joke is on you. I am 8:36 and I am the What.
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 3:44 PM
Whoa!! Whats up Brownie, Stop deleting my posts. People can whatever about The What but, I cant respond??!!!
Here is a punk ass starker looking for me on Classon Ave LMMFAO!
You would land in the papers, as a victim.
"As a Black man, I must say brothers like you are bringing us down. You are perpetuating a stereotype."
First no one gives a fuck you a "black man"! Second if you was one, you would raise hell about the covert assimilation of your neighborhood and this Blog! Third don't wear that "I a Black Man" bit on me baby.
Folks, People want to talk tough talk but, I will back my shit up and Anyone wants to stalk me will have some problems!!!!!!
The What (Monday is coming BOOM!!!)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 3:48 PM
BREAKING NEWS
NY1 is reporting The What as the cause of the crane collapse in midtown Manhattan this afternoon.
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 3:57 PM
Hey the What......yes, Brownie deleted your post. You know why? Because it was full of profanities. Can you construct a post without the word, "fuck"?
You'll notice there are -hundreds- of your posts still up here and the -only- ones removed have the f bombs.
Grow up.
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 4:59 PM
The What is not black.
He's a white guy real estate broker in New Jersey. He's been outed already as someone trying to cause panic over buying in Brooklyn, because he's been unable to sell his Jersey properties.
I'm not posting this for fun as sarcasm, it's true; it's just been discussed on other threads not this one.
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 7:33 PM
Hey Mr. What, I got your back anytime you want to jump that asshat.
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 8:02 PM
"Hey the What......yes, Brownie deleted your post. You know why? Because it was full of profanities. Can you construct a post without the word, "fuck"?"
Fuck no!
"You'll notice there are -hundreds- of your posts still up here and the -only- ones removed have the f bombs."
And the other ones I called him out on! Brownie is a hypocrite.
"The What is not black."
No The What is not. LMMFAO!
"I'm not posting this for fun as sarcasm, it's true; it's just been discussed on other threads not this one."
Nope, you want to be a dick.
Sing with me!
"Monday Monday"
Bah da bah da da da
Bah da bah da da da
Bah da bah da da da
Monday Monday so good to me
Monday mornin' it was all I hoped it would be
Oh Monday mornin' Monday mornin' couldn't guarantee
That Monday evenin' you would still be here with me
Monday Monday can't trust that day
Monday Monday sometimes it just turns out that way
Oh Monday mornin' you gave me no warnin' of what was to be
Oh Monday Monday how could you leave and not take me
Every other day every other day
Every other day of the week is fine yeah
But whenever Monday comes but whenever Monday comes
A you can find me cryin' all of the time
Monday Monday so good to me
Monday mornin' it was all I hoped it would be
But Monday mornin' Monday mornin' couldn't guarantee
That Monday evenin' you would still be here with me
Every other day every other day
Every other day of the week is fine yeah
But whenever Monday comes but whenever Monday comes
A you can find me cryin' all of the time
Monday Monday can't trust that day
Monday Monday it just turns out that way
Oh Monday Monday won't go away
Monday Monday it's here to stay
Oh Monday Monday
Oh Monday Monday
Yep, Monday gonna be fun. You will see your future melt away! Boom
The What (Come on show me some love)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at March 15, 2008 8:02 PM
I am Spartacus.
Posted by: guest at March 16, 2008 11:06 AM
Hey The What:
You say "Someday this war is gonna end..." If the war is on, why are you sitting home idly on your computer all day? I thought you were down for the Brown? Like Gil Scott said: The revolution will not be televised.
Posted by: guest at March 16, 2008 8:24 PM
I love East New York... I grew up in Cypress Hills (Fulton St.), and lived on Bradford St. (for years), got family in The Louis Heaton Pink Houses & in Starrett City... No matter what I will always love my city... and always rep where I'm from whether slum or beauty! Besides, I got fam in Harlem too, been there too many times to remember and still go out there til this day, and it's not all that great of a area. Where are y'all from??
A-LEX-ANDER THE GREAT
www.myspace.com/ATG
Posted by: guest at March 24, 2008 1:36 AM
I love East New York... I grew up in Cypress Hills (Fulton St.), and lived on Bradford St. (for years), got family in The Louis Heaton Pink Houses & in Starrett City... No matter what I will always love my city... and always rep where I'm from whether slum or beauty! Besides, I got fam in Harlem too, been there too many times to remember and still go out there til this day, and it's not all that great of a area. Where are y'all from??
A-LEX-ANDER THE GREAT
www.myspace.com/ATG
Posted by: guest at March 24, 2008 1:37 AM
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