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February 29, 2008
Rentals of the Week: Crown Heights North
Judging from this week's crop of rentals, there are still some decent deals to be had in Crown Heights. Clockwise from left to right:
1. 2-bedroom, top floor of brownstone, no fee, $1,595, Bergen at Kingston Ave.
2. New reno studio, $1,050, St. Johns at Nostrand
3. Gut reno 1-bedroom, exposed brick, $1,099, Bergen and Bedford
4. 3-bedroom, rent-stabilized, $1,600, Lincoln and Bedford
5. 500-sf 1-bedroom, $1000, Lincoln and Bedford
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I'm noticing more hipster types in the neighborhood. Could CH be the next bberg????
Cheap rents and big spaces....
I'd settle for a decent coffeeshop. (no wait, any coffee shop)
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 11:47 AM
crown heights is cheap and has alot of awesome cheap places to eat.
and if you're into drugs than theres alot of those too.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 11:55 AM
Mr. B, what's going on? This place is a rental. Your own headline says as much. There is nothing to indicate that it is for sale, so why is it written about here?
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 11:55 AM
how many of you lame ass brownstone owners rent out parts of them because you cant afford the damn thing.
loooooooottttttssssssssssss o you.
look at the numbers
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 11:57 AM
CH will be lucky--extremely lucky--if it turns out to be the next Dyker Heights.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 11:58 AM
Where the fuck is Crown Heights North??!! I have lived in Brooklyn all my life, I never heard of Crown Heights North. Maybe after the CRASH, it will return to just Crown Heights.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:04 PM
too much crime in crown heights for my taste.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:04 PM
Why did you have to say that, 12:04? Now we'll be treated to a 10,000 word response from our friend Montrose Morris.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:13 PM
montrose, who?
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:16 PM
Also a sappy 5,000-word remembrance from Nostalgic on Park Avenue.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:18 PM
There is crime all over NY, move back to Europe. I chose not to buy in Fort Greene years ago because I read too many crime stats. Now,the same people who made me feel insecure about buying there are writing great stories about the same hood. Don't believe these pencil pushers who sit on their asses all day writing about places they never visit. I got screwed out of a 2million investment listening and reading about crime with these assholes. When the housing market comes back around (slated for 2014)Crown Hts. will be hot with large spaces. While downtown brooklyn will be selling closets.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:19 PM
NOP's posts are more interesting than anything you've ever written, 12:16.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:23 PM
Contrary to what people are being led to believe. My husband and I purchased in Crown Hts. and have seen our equity rise even through the current housing crisis. We intend to stay for a while so time will be on our side. A good investment is not always measured by the green grocer on the corner. I would rather have hundreds of thousands in equity than a starbucks in the neighborhood.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:30 PM
paper equity, 12:30. paper equity.
prices in crown heights are falling rapidly.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:32 PM
Just like your 401k,12:32. Just like your 401k. Prices on the dollar has falling to it's lowest level. 12:30, in my opinion is still in a stronger position for retirement.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:38 PM
NOP I thought it was Nostalgic on Park. should have said NPA (Nostalgic on Park Avenue).
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:39 PM
Not today, "friend" 12:13. I've made my point countless times, and have decided that if the majority wants to continue to believe that we live in a crime ridden hellhole, then that's a majority that will be leaving us alone, which is just fine. We'll continue to improve our community, enjoy our fine homes and streetscapes, and work with the police and community groups to make it a better community for all. Don't need you for that, or anything else.
Crown Heights North is the name of the Historic District, and basically is that part of CH north of Eastern Parkway. Basically from Bedford to Albany, Pacific to Eastern Parkway. Crown Heights South, south of EP, obviously, is different in ethnic populations, architecture and vibe. A huge amount of territory and it makes sense to subdivide it.
Crow Hill is also another community within the larger CH area, and those apartments on Bedford are on the border of CHN and Crow Hill, which extends from Bedford to Classon until the neighborhood changes to Prospect Heights.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 29, 2008 12:42 PM
i feel like i'm in a really bad dream
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:45 PM
12:32, prove that, please. I think you will find that if prices are falling at all, they are in line with any reductions in the rest of Brooklyn. If you are waiting for a $350K brownstone in CH, don't hold your breath.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 29, 2008 12:45 PM
I did see a young white couple WITH a baby in a stroller last week on Kingston and Sterling.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 12:57 PM
To 11:57 - Even if I have to take in a boarder I live in a home that most people would die for and I live 20 minutes from Manhattan. My youngest child's bedroom is the size of most people's living room. I don't have to buy small size anything - it all fits in my kitchen, my dining room, my whatever. I can go to Costco and stock up to my heart's content. I have room for a grand piano in my parlor. And I still have an income producing rental. That's why I love my brownstone. These homes have been great investments for the last hundred years and will continue to be so for the next. And Crown Heights has beautiful homes. If I were buying today, that's where I'd look.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:04 PM
12:57....
they probably got lost wandering up from park slope...
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:08 PM
"Contrary to what people are being led to believe. My husband and I purchased in Crown Hts. and have seen our equity rise even through the current housing crisis. We intend to stay for a while so time will be on our side. A good investment is not always measured by the green grocer on the corner. I would rather have hundreds of thousands in equity than a starbucks in the neighborhood."
Let me repost this story
Borrowers Abandon
Mortgages as Prices Drop
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120424677934501611.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news
You don't get equity until you sell. Got it.
"Crown Heights North is the name of the Historic District, and basically is that part of CH north of Eastern Parkway. Basically from Bedford to Albany, Pacific to Eastern Parkway. Crown Heights South, south of EP, obviously, is different in ethnic populations, architecture and vibe. A huge amount of territory and it makes sense to subdivide it."
Hey Morris, stop buying crack on Nostrand. It's fucking up your brain.
The What
Someday this war gonna end...
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:10 PM
No We don't get it..Twhat. I have 3 properties and I have been getting equity out of my properties for years to buy other properties, to pay for college expenses and for renovating costs. All without selling one piece of property. Time will allow me to recoup the money and repeat the process all over. Stop hating on young couples with a solid investment plan for their future. Not everyone is sitting at home with a bottle in their hand on the computer ranting about the ills of the world....get a LIFE so you can stop watching others LIVE.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:18 PM
Hey, What, come out from under your rock long enough to see what's going on. Crown Heights North is a real historic district. They didn't need your permission or awareness to do it. Great architecture and a lot of hard work did the job.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 29, 2008 1:24 PM
are you related to mr. rogers, montrose?
if not, i need some of whatever it is you smoke.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:29 PM
"No We don't get it..Twhat. I have 3 properties and I have been getting equity out of my properties for years to buy other properties"
Refi junkie. With negative equity in the other properties you bought.
"All without selling one piece of property. Time will allow me to recoup the money and repeat the process all over"
See Crack is real tasty. Here is a great example of a fucking Kool-Aid drinker. This assfuck will be stuck with all those houses.
"Stop hating on young couples with a solid investment plan for their future. "
Ah I see, Lets loan money to people who can't pay it back. Brilliant!! Plus they will fry the retirement and savings accounts to "save" their investment. They will be the ones on 60 Minutes crying.
"Not everyone is sitting at home with a bottle in their hand on the computer ranting about the ills of the world....get a LIFE so you can stop watching others LIVE."
I live very well. I have little debt and a asshole full of money. I'm waiting for the implosion from you assholes, it's coming down the pike now.
The What (ROTFLMMFAO)
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:30 PM
Read the story 1:10, mainly focused on people in upside down mortgages with little or no equity, no-ties to the community, and little hope that the market will turn around, therefore dashing their hopes for the classic flip. We however, are not in any of the above categories. I mentioned that our house has appreciated in this market. To the intelligent mind that could only mean that we found a diamond in the rough with a desperate seller and a low ball price. That article to me is good news because before the housing market stabilizes it must get rid of the phony investors, the risky borrowers, the shady brokers, and investment banks looking to make a fast buck. When it returns to the days of couples looking to buy for more space for their growing families, rants and raves like you will be long forgotten.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:32 PM
The What sounds like that homeless guy I saw on the train last night. Somebody please put a dime in that mans cup so he can shut the fuck up.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:36 PM
"Hey, What, come out from under your rock long enough to see what's going on. Crown Heights North is a real historic district. They didn't need your permission or awareness to do it. Great architecture and a lot of hard work did the job."
Crown Heights North is a real bullshit district. They made it a "historic district" so the fucktards could pump the prices but you didn't count on the House Nazi's to fuck everything up. Here read this Morris and BTW I have respect for you. No bullshit I think you write very well and you defend you neighborhood with vigor. We just don't agree on some things.
Unintended consequence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequence
The What (Yes The What)
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:36 PM
1:29 - I inhale the clear air of reality, my friend.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 29, 2008 1:37 PM
If being stuck with a portfolio of millions in real estate investments is equivalent to smoking crack 1:30, than I'll take a hit.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:44 PM
Beam me Up, Scotty! I want some of that shit too. Hey What...why don't you sell me your property for some crack.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:45 PM
The What doesn't smoke crack. He inhales crime stats and NYTimes reports.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:47 PM
I had a friend who suffered from that. He died from schorosis of the brain. He would be up all night ranting and raving about shit that made no sens....oh shit! Sorry What.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:50 PM
What, thank you for the complement. I'm sure that will blow some minds.
Since I worked very hard to help Crown Heights North become an historic district, I most vigorously disagree that we are a bullshit district. I invite anyone to go to the LPC site, and look up the designation report. But you are right in that over-inflated prices are not cool, for lots of reasons.
Peace, brother.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 29, 2008 1:54 PM
Is Crown Heights near Park Slope?
I'm looking there. I hear it's a lot safer.
- Manhattan couple
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:54 PM
The What really lives in Miami.. he's just a tad bit bitter becasue he sold too early.
Now he's gonna cut and paste my comment and unleash his ebonic rage on me. I cant wait.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 1:57 PM
No, by most means it is not a lot safer. But you will get the same size house with lots of the same detail for a third of the costs. Just be prepared in the short run to buy groceries elsewhere, send your children to school elsewhere, and try to buy near the subway. Crown Heights still needs a little time, but with rentals getting scarce because of new homeowners living in two-thirds of the homes it will get better with time.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 2:01 PM
1:54,Since moving to Crown Heights from Manhattan. My husband and I have learned to get our hustle on. We hung out in Park Slope for a few weeks talking to the stroller mafia until we found someone willing to let us use their address as a tenant to get our son in 321. We use the same address to order groceries delivered. So when we pick up our son from school, we also pick up our groceries and other things from park slope.Than we head back to our limestone in Crown Heights and live is good.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 2:08 PM
I moved here from Brooklyn Heights- never regretted it. If you don't live here and your "knowledge and expertise" have been acquired through the internet and news papers, your comments about what life is like here in Crown Heights North really have no validity. And to add to Montrose Morris' comment about being landmarked- it isn't as if landmark designations drop down from heaven like gentle rain. It took years of very hard, dedicated work by a lot of people- and the work was done, not by white gentrifyiers, but by long time multigenerational residents and homeowners. So if that's what makes CHN a "bullshit" district, then bullshit is a compliment.
11:55- this is Brownstoner.com, not Brownstonehomeowner.com. There are plenty of us who rent and bring just as much to the neighborhood as homeowners. Don't like us? go back to Manhattan.
Posted by: bx2bklynstill at February 29, 2008 2:30 PM
Crown Heights represents pretty good value right now, considering the NYC market as a whole. Some think we haven't seen the bottom yet, and I tend to agree. But you know what they say, you can't time the market. I would hope that some of you doubters come have a look at the many tree-line browntone blocks within the historic district, and the other blocks that have yet to be designated. In my opinion, this year is a great opportunity. In a few years, the next up cycle may price you out. You will meet more community-minded people like my neighbor Montrose Morris. ;-)
Posted by: Hal at February 29, 2008 2:42 PM
2:08...That sounds a little kooky, but whatever works for you. HAHA. good for you guys, though!
We'd rather spend a little more and actually live in a neighborhood where we can get groceries and have our kid walk to school.
I'm assuming if our budget is around 2 million, we should be able to find something in Park Slope....hopefully.
Crown Heights sounds nice...just too expensive for having to leave the neighborhood to have to do everything. We also had a friend who had some not so nice things to say about his time living there, but everyone has their own experience.
We are going house shopping this weekend, so we'll take a look at both areas and see.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 3:13 PM
FYI- there is key food and if you cross Atlantic to Fulton there is Foodtown. they deliver and you can order online- they're really great. There's a Petland and a host of businesses- it's not nearly as trendy as Park Slope- but you can get pretty much everything you need. People have been doing so for well over a hundred years. It's not a vacuum over here.
Posted by: bx2bklynstill at February 29, 2008 3:22 PM
So I would spend 1.4 million on a house in Crown Heights to shop at Foodtown?
With that kinda dough, I'd expect a little more. No offense. We are vegetarian and don't have a car (and don't want one) so it sounds like a bit of a pain for the kind of money we'd be looking to spend.
We'll check it out though. Maybe I'm underestimating Foodtown??
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 3:25 PM
Actually, the Foodtown on Fulton and Brooklyn Ave. is a huge, clean, well-stocked market, worthy of the suburbs. I'm walking over soon for some fresh mozzarella and basil. We also ride our bikes to Grand Army Plaza on Saturdays for the farmers' market.
Posted by: Hal at February 29, 2008 3:34 PM
3:13 with 2 million you can find a nice siding shack in southslope near the BQE.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 3:43 PM
We can perhaps increase our budget to 2.5 million if we find something we really love. We've seen a few places listed in the numbered streets of Park Slope and a few in the named streets in the north (that is our favorite area...saw one on Berkeley Place not long ago...great location, not as great house). We aren't really looking as much in South Slope as we'd like to be closer to the 2/3 and Q trains. Or the F.
Thanks for all your help.
We can't wait to take advantage of the farmer's market. Happened by it last summer on a trip out there. It's amazing! What a nice way to start a Saturday morning.
All these areas sound like they have their positive and negative.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 3:50 PM
3:25- well you can always go into manhattan and waste your money in more expensive places if you're that much of a snob. Foodtown happens to be great- clean, new, well-stocked and lots of variety.
Posted by: bx2bklynstill at February 29, 2008 3:56 PM
Ok, we'll have to check out Foodtown. It's not a matter of snobbery, we have just found that most "normal" grocery stores don't have the best produce or lots of vegetarian options. Maybe this place is different.
We usually shop at Barzini's on the upper west side. Know it? Nice place with inexpensive food.
My only thing is that if we are going to make the leap to Brooklyn it would nice to be in an actual neighborhood and not have to leave it to do everything we like to do. Don't you think that's reasonable when spending over a million dollars? We do.
Perhaps that isn't the case. It sounded like it from someone above. We won't know till we look.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 4:04 PM
Brownstoner:
Crown Heights must be increasing in value.
Until 1962, when my family moved from the neighborhood, we lived in a three-bedroom apartment with formal dining room, parquet de Versailles floors, kitchen with breakfast room and pantry, French doors and windows, wood paneling, and ("decorative") fireplace.
And it was designed as an apartment, not carved from a brownstone, which meant it had a nice floorplan. All outside rooms with windows from street to courtyard. Quiet, too, with solid plaster walls.
The rent?
Eight-six dollars per month.
Granted, there's been inflation, but not enough to multiply the rent for a three-bedroom 20 times to the level of the listing at Lincoln and Bedford.
To those looking in Crown Heights, I suggest that you buy and hold.
Nostalgic on Park Avenue
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 4:15 PM
ya 62 bucks in 62 would be $589.99 now.
The whole damn city is more expensive
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 4:27 PM
4:27:
If your calculation is correct, then my old apartment in 2008 dollars would be about $800 -- not the $1,600 being asked on Lincoln -- and Crown Heights is keeping ahead of inflation.
And for those lamenting crime in Crown Heights, since my parents bought the apartment they left me on Park Avenue, quess the only place I've been mugged?
Park Avenue.
NOP
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 4:38 PM
"Where the fuck is Crown Heights North??!! I have lived in Brooklyn all my life, I never heard of Crown Heights North. Maybe after the CRASH, it will return to just Crown Heights."
LOL! Oooooouuucch! The What - I'm gonna sue you for stomach stitches you asshole!
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 4:53 PM
Used to live in CH and it sucks. Heard gun shots every other night. Bodega's smell like cat piss and their isin't shit there.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 4:54 PM
"Just like your 401k,12:32. Just like your 401k. Prices on the dollar has falling to it's lowest level. 12:30, in my opinion is still in a stronger position for retirement."
Sadly clueless. Homes at 2007 prices are only good for retirement if you have NET equity, cash out now, hedge against inflation and THEN get back into cash when interest rates go back up. 2007 prices will be gone for the rest of your life. We MIGHT see 2003 prices again before we perish.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 5:05 PM
Crown Heights is on pause 'til next boom. Got 20 years?
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 5:07 PM
"normal" grocery stores
4:04 - please stay in Manhattan.
And, yes, you are a snob.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 5:07 PM
"cat piss" lol
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 5:12 PM
Crown Heights is a human cesspool. Well, mostly human.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 5:12 PM
My husband and I are looking to buy. We've can't afford to be Park Slope, Carroll Gardens, etc. We are looking in Bay Ridge. I happened upon a listing for the Elkin house and we decided to go check out the open house. We got our dates wrong and went to the house on the wrong day, so we never got to see it. But we started walking around the neighborhood. We'd never been to crown heights. And I was very impressed with the architecture and the homes. Sure some blocks are better than others. But overall Crown Heights North has some beautiful homes. We met some nice people. People stopped us and asked us if we were looking to buy in the neighborhood and told us which blocks had the best architecture.
We went back a couple of times to look at houses, but haven't found anything yet.
I would move there if I found the right house for the right price.
I think that neighborhood will def change.
My mother would go to Park Slope to visit her sister 25 years ago and told me that neighborhood was rough.
I'm banking on Crown heights to be the next neighborhood.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 5:19 PM
5:19 = Montrose
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 5:21 PM
5:05:
They said similar things in '87, when the market crashed.
The apartment I owned collapsed in value, but by the time I sold it a few years ago, had quintupled in value. It took 15 years, but in the meantime, I lived in a place I enjoyed.
Some advice: Spread risk across real estate, stocks and bonds (American and foreign for both), cash, and if you have the stomach, commodities. And never buy "too much" house, if it keeps you from investing in other categories. Look for a place to live (not speculate), and let your asset mix ride the ups and downs.
NOP
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 5:24 PM
5:19 is not Montrose...it's me.
We're a young couple looking to buy and we're looking at all the nieghborhoods and I think that Crown Heights is an up and coming area. Also, Bed Sty.
What other areas do you think I can get a townhouse for under 800k?
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 6:11 PM
baltimore, maryland.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 6:12 PM
4:04- Crown Heights North is an actual neighborhood. What did you think? People have lived in this neighborhood for years- do you think we all go to Park Slope? I think you've lived in Manhattan too long. Brooklyn is a great place to live but you make osme tradeoffs. You may not have a Starbucks on every corner here, but you get a lot more house for your money than you do in Manhattan. Crown Heights is a great neighborhood but if you will have to go a little further afield if you want certain things. It's a different lifestyle. Brooklyn isn't, and I hope will never be Manhattan.
Posted by: bx2bklynstill at February 29, 2008 6:15 PM
6:11:
Did you see yesterday's big NY Times article about the soon-to-open expansion of Crown Heights' Brooklyn Children's Museum?
Get a place as close to that as possible. Your (future) kids will appreciate it.
NOP
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 6:20 PM
5:05..even at 2003 prices posting 15yrs from now, I will still fair better than your 401k.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 6:24 PM
6:15...As I said..I'll need to check it out for myself. I'm going by the person above who said they live in Crown Heights and use a fake Park Slope address for schools and groceries. Maybe they were kidding...I don't know. (see 2:08).
I'm glad you enjoy the neighborhood...that makes us even more excited to check it out. All I'm saying is that we are looking for value for our money. Without knowing much about Crown Heights, I find it odd that homes there are going for 1.5 million dollars, when you can still get something in Park Slope for 2 million or 2.5 million. From my experience, Park Slope has it all...shops, restaurants, a park, schools etc.
I'm not sure the level that Crown Heights is on compared to that, but from what people have told me, the prices there do not reflect the services, schools, crime level, etc.
See my point? We might be able to spend 500-750K more and get a neighborhood which gentrified 20 years before Crown Heights.
My fear about Crown Heights is that the neighborhood has not kept up with the price appreciation, although the homes look quite nice.
It's going to take more than a nice house though. We are looking for a nice house AND a nice neighborhood for the amount of money we will spend. If that makes us snobby, so be it.
We will most likely move to Brooklyn with or without your consent.
Thanks for all the info on grocery stores, etc. very helpful. If the weather holds up, we'll be out this weekend.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 6:26 PM
btw, I do not like Starbucks...I remember a nice place in Park Slope called Ozzie's where we had an excellent cup of Joe.
My idea of a "nice" neighborhood does not include a Starbucks on every corner. I'm not sure why you feel the need to make judgements about someone you know nothing about....what I like to drink...how long I've lived in Manhattan, etc.
Hope that isn't a typical Brooklyn trait.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 6:30 PM
No- it's a Manhattan one. You're the one who said we weren't an "actual neighborhood"- your words. And who didn't find Foodtown up to your standards. You certainly don't need anyone's consent to move to Brooklyn but i do suggest you come here understanding that Manhattan is across the bridge.
I hope you do move to Crown Heights- it is a nice neighborhood but it may not meet your expectations. While it's been slower to change, the housing values seem to be pretty solid, it's been landmarked- there's a lot of pluses but it isn't Park Slope. For my money the big realtors have pushed up the prices higher than they should be but if you like a challenge you'll love it here.
Posted by: bx2bklynstill at February 29, 2008 6:50 PM
The tWhat is a renter who pastes stories that don't actually relate to BROWNSTONE BROOKLYN, but they fit his crazy idea that the world is going to end.
Get back on the meds, tWhat.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 6:59 PM
I like a challenge sure...do you think we can afford a 2.5 million dollar house from being stupid??
But we also like to get good value. And we didn't accumulate this money from being frivolous with it. I understand Park Slope gets awards for being an incredible neighborhood. In the past, the only time I hear about Crown Heights is in the police blotter.
Although this site has some more valuable info on that neighborhood, it seems.
Seems like a great place, but I still don't know if it's great enough for 1.5 million dollar homes.
Do you? Honestly...do you think Crown Heights is worth it for new people spending this kind of money?
No doubt it was worth it when you bought...probably for a couple hundred thousand dollars. But I'm afraid that people got too eager and that prices will come down in areas like this a lot faster than they would with the more established neighborhoods.
We'll see what we feel most comfortable with. Thanks again.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 7:06 PM
Yeah, if you check bx2's profile from 7:31 you get a different set of posts from the profile with 7:24, so they're probably not the same person. Good to know you're not skitzo, bx2. At least I hope not.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 8:11 PM
your an idiot if you pay over a million to live in CH. CH is fithy and disgusting.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 8:33 PM
When we will refinance our house in Park Slope ( we will leave 40% equity and finance the rest) and I will go back to work ( staying home mom who used to make low 6 figure) we will be looking for one more house as a renovation project and as an investment.
We can not bite Park Slope with our resources, so, our choice will be either Windsor Terrace or Bay Ridge. Yea... I know, republican and all that... Whatever... but both neighborhoods have an established infrastructure, transportation and relatively good schools ( by NYC standards). Both are safe.
We moved to Brooklyn 16 years ago, moved several times within Brooklyn, so, we have a pretty good understanding of what each neighborhood has to offer.
BTW, my sister is moving to Bay Ridge from PS. Her new rental is spacious 2nd floor 1br prewar in decent condition, tree lined street, close to subway and express bus.
Rent? $925/month
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 9:25 PM
Living in Bay Ridge, you might as well live in LI or Upstate, or eastern queens, or Jersey. Once you start talking about a 1 hour or more commute - Living in the city does not make sense.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 11:27 PM
i agree, 11:27.
might as well live in the hudson valley.
cheaper and way more beautiful than bay ridge.
nyack maybe.
to each their own though. everyone likes different things.
Posted by: guest at February 29, 2008 11:32 PM
????
did you ever live in Bay ridge?
It took me 25 minutes sharp from 72nd street to Wall street by express bus. Literally from door to my desk. Including 3 blocks walk uphill from express bus stop to my office building.
It took 50 minutes if I took R train instead. But I lived pretty far from subway. If I lived closer to 4th ave it would be more like 35-40 minutes.
My old neighbour in Bay Ridge used to commute to 57 street in Manhatten. She claimed that it took her 45 minutes by express bus.
I am always puzzled when I read on brownstoner that it is a long commute from Bay Ridge.
Now I live in PS and it took me 35 minutes to Wall street by R train. This time my office was even closer to subway station (less then half block).
You can walk everywhere in Bay Ridge: parks, restaurants, shops, public transportation, schools, dry cleaners, cinema, etc. Not sure why you compare Bay Ridge to suburban remote areas.
Ironically, bought car when we moved to Park Slope. We never felt that we need car when we lived in Bay Ridge. True reason was, of course, that a child was born, and it is easier to travel by car out of the city with a child.
But nevertheless we managed without car for 8 years that we lived in Bay Ridge. And it was easy to do. Could you say this about Nyack?
Posted by: guest at March 1, 2008 12:07 AM
The fact is, if you live anywhere in Brooklyn, you might as well live in Montana.
Posted by: guest at March 1, 2008 10:01 AM
nyack doesn't have as many goombahs.
Posted by: guest at March 1, 2008 12:35 PM
I guess the jews don't count as white - as they have a significant presence in crown heights - what morons!
Posted by: guest at March 1, 2008 6:33 PM
i grew up in Crown Heights, on the corner of Union Street and Franklin Avenue. I hold many great memories as well as some not so great. Eastern Parkway was the border between Crown Heights to the south and Bed-Sty to the north. when there was an incident on the parkway, it really mattered which side it was on as to which precint was called. there was no Crown Heights North. Park Slope started at Grand Army Plaza NOT Classon Avenue. Changing the names dosen't protect the innocent. It just covers the wounds of the sixties.
Posted by: guest at March 2, 2008 5:30 PM
you mean the hasidic population, 6:33? the ones who don't interract with anyone else and have 10 kids?
yeah, there are there too.
Posted by: guest at March 2, 2008 7:04 PM
no one with a brain has ever said park slope started at clausson, 5:30.
never heard that one before. ever.
how could anything south of eastern be crown heights? that's the park.
you don't know your brooklyn geography very well.
Posted by: guest at March 2, 2008 7:05 PM
south of eastern parkway is crown heights. union street, president street, carroll street, crown street, montgomery street to empire blvd. it is you who dosen't know brooklyn geography well. by the way, PS 241 is in crown heights.
Posted by: guest at March 2, 2008 9:35 PM
What is crown heights?? A chicken place?
Posted by: guest at March 2, 2008 10:31 PM
chicken place?????
Posted by: guest at March 3, 2008 8:52 AM
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