Closing Bell: Slope-Heights Online Mugging Map

this outta be good...

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:15 PM

Surely no one will abuse this resource.

I plan to add unicorn sightings to the map.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:18 PM

Why are so many of these at like 3 AM?

I think you are prime target in any neighborhood - Even the Upper West Side and the like, if you are walking around at 3 AM.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:21 PM

"Why are so many of these at like 3 AM?"

Because 3AM is prime operating time for criminals. DUH!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:24 PM

Funny, they've failed to mark which muggings occured when the victim stumbles blind drunk off the Q train at 3 a.m.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:24 PM

"Even the Upper West Side and the like, if you are walking around at 3 AM."

Really? How surprising! According to some posters here, you can only be threatened by crime in Bed-Stuy and Crown Heights. No one is ever the victim of a crime in any other part of the city.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:26 PM

4th Street-- mugging free since 2007!

Also, there are WAY more unicorns in Ft. Greene than there are in Park Slope.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:27 PM

I thought Ft. Greene had the leprechans!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:28 PM

um....denton...these are not OFFICIAL...these are written in by people...a lot of which are the same crazies that post on this blog.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:33 PM

i had a horrible time living in prospect heights. considered it very dangerous. my old BF and i were constantly harassed, and we never felt safe. could not wait to move!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:49 PM

So crime in your neighborhood is the result of drunken behavior and reported by crazy people, but other crime stats that are quoted on this site are perfectly reliable. The double standard is so obvious.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:49 PM

Denton, we know where you live now. Be careful.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:50 PM

attention drunk yuppie assholes from Indiana or wherever the FUCK you came from.

3 am is a bad time to walk around in the neighborhood your'e gentrifying.

Just a lil advice.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:51 PM

4:51 - Park Slope is gentrifying? What rock have you been living under?

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:54 PM

Yeah because that McDonalds on 4th hasn't been robbed about 10 times in the last year.....

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:55 PM

this map is idiotic.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:55 PM

Don't think of them as "official" - it's designed more like a wiki-map. Also, most incident pins link back to a news story or a first hand account of the incident in question on the brooklynian message board at http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2

The map started with a focus on Prospect Heights (but has spread somewhat east and west). I'm not sure i'd put much weight in the relative "safe-haven" status of 4th avenue.

The point is to raise awareness of the crimes and (maybe) find some patterns that can be discussed with authorities/politicians at community board meetings, etc.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:56 PM

4:54

I'm talking Prospect Heights, where the density of muggings on this map are.

And yes, Park Slope has been gentrifying since the late 70s, still going strong...

The rock I live under? Park Slope.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 4:58 PM

To all you people from ohio and the rest of the midwest: you might be better off not listening to your fucking ipod when walking home at 3 a.m.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:02 PM

"I think you are prime target in any neighborhood - Even the Upper West Side and the like, if you are walking around at 3 AM."

Of course, there's a CHANCE of getting mugged
anywhere at 3AM, even in Antarctica.

But, which is more LIKELY, STATISTICALLY?

Let's put it this way - If you had to be on a 3AM flight to London, which airline do you think has the better safety record?:

1.) Air Zimbabwe
2.) British Airways

Cutesy cliches such as "I think you are prime target in any neighborhood" are nothing more than "diversity pom pom waving feel good slogans" which sound like something straight out of George Orwell's 1984 novel.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:10 PM

I thought I might clarify one "would be" mugging. On December 29th at around 11:00 AM there was a mugging on Prospect Park West. It says in the map that people grabbed the would be mugger and held her. The cops did not get the story right. I actually 4' 11" of me and my hero dog chased down this 20 year old woman after she snatched a purse from an older woman. I screamed and yelled running at full speed after her until this man "caught" her at Lincoln place.

I just thought I might get a little credit for this small act of heroism!! Oh and especially I need to give a lot of credit to my very loyal and heroic american bulldog who growled at her until the cops came!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:17 PM

To All you Brooklyn PUSSIES. I'm from motherfuckin' OHIO, motherfucker. And me and my corn fed motherfucking crew have hit your shit town to kick a little motherfucking ass. I even brought in some of my BOYS from motherfuckin' INDI-fuckin-ANA to add a little beatdown to your pussy assed borough. Think you can just mug our expat brothers and sisters? Think again, shitcans? We've got combines, tractors, shovels, hoes and lots and lots of fishhooks and we're not leavin' till you learn who the fuck is the motherfuckin' BOSS. So kiss my midwestern asssssss!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:43 PM

Prospect Park West used to be mugging-central. There are sooo many people now living comfortably in the suburbs because they were mugged on PPW. I thought that was a thing of the past (the 80's and 90's) guess not.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:44 PM

you guys know that the chance of getting jacked in most midwestern cities is way higher than brooklyn....

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:46 PM

What a moronic statement, 5:44.

So you think there are NO muggings now on PPW?

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:47 PM

Gary, Indiana makes brooklyn look like Disneyland.

JESUS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:50 PM

Carlton and St. Marks is a great location. One of the best in PH. I think you'll enjoy it there as well.

I saw a house listed right around there recently so if it's the one I'm thinking, good luck..it looks liked a BEAUTY!!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:53 PM

5:10, you are a ShitTwit

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:57 PM

Wow, hard to believe people would pay millions of dollars for a house in this crime filled neighborhood. You can get mugged in Brownsville or East New York just the same for much cheaper house prices.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 6:02 PM

the map would be more useful if they reported crime-free zones now, LOL

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 6:05 PM

Every sensible Brooklynite knows not to walk on Prospect Park West after dark -are you kidding? Even if you live on Prospect Park West you detour around and reach your home on a sidestreet. Geez, that is Brooklyn 101.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 6:08 PM

I was gored by a unicorn on PPW after dark.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 6:39 PM

6:39, what do you think that unicorn represents in your imagination? A big white penis? Lamb en brochette? A big white penis?
Just asking.....

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 6:43 PM

Could we please stop talking about white penises and get back to muggings?

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 6:44 PM

"5:10, you are a ShitTwit"

Oh, I'm sorry 5:57PM for bursting your "Diversity is Strength" bubble/fantasy world!

Perhaps I should only discuss grandmas and puppy dogs in the future, so as not to disturb you!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 6:45 PM

OK, I admit when he told me he was a unicorn, I did have my doubts.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 6:51 PM

Q; Why do you rob banks?
A: Because that's where the money is

ditto prospect park west

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 6:58 PM

You're still a ShitTwit, 6:45.

Statistically, you would be more likely to be mugged in Park Slope than a bad neighborhood.

The muggers go to where the money is, which is not in a poor neighborhood.

People in poor neighborhoods are victims of crime, but it is often not muggings but more violent crimes and - statistically - is it perpetrated by someone the victim already knows before the crime (spouse, family member, bf/gf)

So, 6:45, that is why you are a ShitTwit.

Leave your racists comments on another blog.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 7:14 PM

Amazing, isn't it?

How there's almost close no muggings in Lefferts Gardens (or its border along the park) compared to Park Slope?

How the lack of muggings even Flatbush and East Flatbush?

I knew buying a brownstone in on Rutland Road was a great idea.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 7:51 PM

@7:51 - the map is maintained by people living in Prospect Heights and Park Slope. The lack of muggings shown in PLG doesn't mean they aren't happening...it just means nobody is tracking them on this map.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 8:20 PM

Yeah, all Lefferts has is the occasional murder or cop killing.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 8:33 PM

Move to Carroll Gardens and your chances of getting mugged will definitely decrease.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 8:37 PM

Merry Christmas, Santa!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 8:46 PM

Carroll Gardens is way way way safer in terms of street crime than Park Slope. That really is Brooklyn 101. But so?

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 8:53 PM

Just my stream of consciousness - when I see these pegs I don't want to live near there and this was my first thought. So muggers lurk at 3am waiting for defenseless/drunk people to appear. Why doesn't this happen in some other areas like CG?

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 8:59 PM

I prefer to mug people in Carroll Gardens, because while for a mugging in Park Slope that brings in 100 bucks, the CG mugging is guaranteed twice that!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:00 PM

So muggers post on Brownstoner too now - Excellent!!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:03 PM

"Statistically, you would be more likely to be mugged in Park Slope than a bad neighborhood.

The muggers go to where the money is, which is not in a poor neighborhood."

Ahhh.....Now I get it, the muggers go where the money is! How could I have missed that!

That's why places like Japan, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, Singapore, have so much crime! Because the muggers all go to where the money is!

And that explains why places like Jamaica, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Colombia, and Afghanistan have so little violent crime, because they're so poor!

"People in poor neighborhoods are victims of crime, but it is often not muggings but more violent crimes and - statistically - is it perpetrated by someone the victim already knows before the crime (spouse, family member, bf/gf)

Leave your racists comments on another blog."

With friends and family like that, people in poor neighborhoods shouldn't bother worrying about "racists" like me!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:06 PM

Hey, you gotta know where the rich folks are, 9:03!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:06 PM

I wonder if there are many muggings in williamsburg. That's where the money is!!!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:13 PM

Actually Brooklyn Heights and Boerum Hill is richer than CG and more likely to get mugged I think so you are jumping to the wrong conclusions on my meaning.

By your logic, CG is not rich at all.

I'm just pointing out that it is relatively safe - so there - probably more about the design and community - kind of smallish with lots of nosy neighbors in a good way.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:15 PM

it seems that a lot of muggers like to go around north slope on those quiet streets at night to get the brownstone owned wealthy people.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:20 PM

Maybe the Park lends to it too because you can slip in there and disappear...

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:22 PM

You know, a lot of streets are darker than I ever imagined. I'm visiting Park Slope, and yesterday I took an evening stroll around the North Slope. It was about 7pm, and as I made my way down Prospect Place between 6th & 5th Aves, I noticed it was pitch black. No lights. I can't remember ever being on such a dark street so early in the evening. It was unsettling.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:49 PM

I find posting this thread extremely inappropriate.

If you'd like to post actual crime stats from these neighborhoods, be my guest.

There is already, however enough hatred on this blog and adding to that by pitting neighborhoods against each other seems like bad reporting to me.

Maybe try posting things that might bring people together, instead of constantly trying to break them apart.

This map means nothing. Zero.

But there are a lot of ignorant people on here that don't realize that, unfortunately. I liken them to the Republicans.

How about you be a Democrat, Brownstoner and bring some people together here instead of continuing the misinformation which allows people to pit one neighborhood against another.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 9:51 PM

bring people together like a Democrat?
....?
hahahahaha.......

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 10:29 PM

"There is already, however enough hatred on this blog and adding to that by pitting neighborhoods against each other seems like bad reporting to me.

Maybe try posting things that might bring people together, instead of constantly trying to break them apart.

But there are a lot of ignorant people on here that don't realize that, unfortunately. I liken them to the Republicans."

Nothing like "bringing people together", huh?

I suppose "some of your best friends are Republicans"?

Spread the love, indeed!

Doesn't sound very "tolerant", now does it?

But I suppose your idea of "tolerance" means a room full of "diverse" ethnicities all mindlessly towing the "multiculturalism party line"?

Since you seem to dislike Republicans so much, why don't you research how many heads of the KKK belonged to the Democratic party from Reconstruction until today, vs. the numbers for the Republicans, and report back to us?

Why don't you also tell us what percentage of Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, vs. the percentages for the Republicans?

What political party did Abraham Lincoln belong to, perhaps you can refresh my memory?

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 10:33 PM

who's bringing more people together....obama or mccain?

huckabee or clinton?

romney?

let's focus on the 21st century instead of constantly looking towards the past.

you know how to do that rush...i mean 10:33??

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 10:37 PM

10:33...How are you any more tolerant than the person you just berated? Yours sounds like the most angry and hateful comment on this entire thread, to be honest.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 10:39 PM

@9:51 - The map means something. It means that crime were committed in the marked locations in recent months. It doesn't aspire to be the complete historical record of all crimes, for all time.

"Actual crime statistics" - as you call them - are relatively useless for helping the Prospect Heights community understand where, how, and when crimes are being committed. The Compstat data from our precinct is released weekly and covers the ENTIRE 77th precinct, which spans from Flatbush all the way east to Ralph Avenue. It only breaks down crime to 7 categories, and gives no details on location within the precinct.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 10:41 PM

I think this map is illuminating. And almost every pin links to a media report of the crime.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 10:53 PM

"you know how to do that rush...i mean 10:33??"

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

"who's bringing more people together....obama or mccain?"

What does either of these 2 have to do with crime statistics in Brooklyn? You brought it up, not me.

I don't care for either one. If voting for Obama assuages your inner feelings of white liberal guilt, and makes you feel good voting for a "rock star", more power to you!

"huckabee or clinton?"

Same here. Don't care for either. We wouldn't even be discussing the pant suit wearing Clinton had she not just happen to marry a powerful white man. Huckapoo who?

"romney?"

The Republican "flip flop" version of John Kerry

"let's focus on the 21st century instead of constantly looking towards the past."

OK. So in the interest of "looking forward", you're in favor of dismantling affirmative action/racial preferences?

And, I suppose we can also agree that the moslems can no longer bring up "The Crusades" as a point of contention, since the last one was in the 13th Century?

"10:33...How are you any more tolerant than the person you just berated? Yours sounds like the most angry and hateful comment on this entire thread, to be honest."

Wow, those last three paragraphs on Democrats belonging to the KKK, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965, and Abraham Lincoln, must really be a heavy burden on your fragile psyche!

And this doesn't qualify as "beratement"?:

"But there are a lot of ignorant people on here that don't realize that, unfortunately. I liken them to the Republicans."

Oh, I forgot, it's OK to bash Republicans, because after all, this is New York City, it's automatically assumed that we all are sophisticated intellectuals who march lock step and hold the same political beliefs, we all read the NY Times religiously, unlike those "Rubes" in the "Flyover states". They don't get their political thoughts from that political heavyweight Maureen Dowd like we do!

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 11:15 PM

are you ok??

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 11:34 PM

I got mugged by a black guy in the slope one.

he looked like barack obama

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 11:47 PM

11:47 = Timmy the 8th grader

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 12:01 AM

So, 11:15, a white person who supports Obama is doing so because of liberal guilt? That's the reason? If you believe that, then you are a bigot. And BTW, I'm not the poster you were answering.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 12:24 AM

"So, 11:15, a white person who supports Obama is doing so because of liberal guilt? That's the reason? If you believe that, then you are a bigot. And BTW, I'm not the poster you were answering."

The original sentence:

"If voting for Obama assuages your inner feelings of white liberal guilt, and makes you feel good voting for a "rock star", more power to you!"

Don't try to project what you THINK I said onto my words, rather than what I REALLY said. That's an "if-clause/conditional sentence". It means "IF voting for Obama assuages your inner feelings of white liberal guilt, and makes you feel good voting for a "rock star", THEN more power to you!" If you support Obama, and you LACK inner feelings of white liberal guilt, then more power to you as well!

In the words of the adviser to Hillary Clinton (wife of our "First Black President" according to Toni Morrison): "If you have a social need, you're with Hillary. If you want Obama to be your imaginary hip black friend and you're young and you have no social needs, then he's cool."

Take that one up with Hillary Clinton's "anonymous adviser"! Do you also believe the anonymous "Clintonista" is also a bigot?

"If you believe that, then you are a bigot."

As the saying goes, "A bigot/racist is anyone winning an argument with a liberal".

"And good riddance to you and your pathetic excuse for a president."

See my above comments for the definition of "ad hominem" attacks.

"your pathetic excuse for a president"

Are you insinuating that I'm a Bush supporter? Where did I say that? You can't even construct a coherent argument without throwing in some four letter words, let alone resorting to "Straw Man" arguments:

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 1:08 AM

Hope you didn't go out for a stroll after posting, 1:08. Dangerous.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 7:22 AM

To the guy who thinks muggers go where the money is - you are, to put it politely, uninformed.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 8:40 AM

if you read alot of the links to the muggings you will find that most of the muggers were arrested.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 9:18 AM

"the map means nothing" comment is great! Nothing can impinge on your internally-constructed normative world can it? Especially not facts.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 9:19 AM

Im a retired Detective 20 years NYPD. The 77 Pct is a sh_t whole Brooklyn has still quite a few bad areas. The Brooklyn DA does not like to put bad guys in Jail thats why the crime is still high in Bklyn and the Bronx. There is a running joke with Detectives in Bklyn that Charlie Hynes never met a bad guy he didn't like. Nobody goes to Jail in bklyn for carrying an illegal gun and thats the truth if u don't beleive me check the statues of the last 100 arrests in 2007 in bklyn for guns and u will see its true. Muggers do not always go to where the money is. Most muggings occur in the bad neighborhoods against thier own people. However whites are robbed mostly by minorities, I spent 4 years in robbery so I know this for a fact. All this bull going around is based on someones own ideas not the facts. And these are the facts.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 9:30 AM

The brownstone neighborhoods are the ones that are often less safe than the middle-class Brooklyn neighborhoods (Bay Ridge, etc.).

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 9:36 AM

I'll believe the copper over you 9:36.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 9:40 AM

i have lived in ny my enitre life 37 years
and have never been mugged. i used to stroll thru some pretty rought areas at odd hours

it all comes down to how you carry yourself

if you look like a victim you will be victimized

people ask for me directions everywhere i go

you know why? becuase i always look like i know exactly where i am. do not walk around
in a fog and unsure of your surroundings
it is a sure fire way to get mugged

and do not take the subway home @ 3am alone after drinking that is just plain stupid
and asking to be a victim

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 9:43 AM

So by your logic more people look like victims in East New York than the UWS? Its their own fault basically?

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 9:56 AM

"In the words of the adviser to Hillary Clinton (wife of our "First Black President" according to Toni Morrison): "If you have a social need, you're with Hillary. If you want Obama to be your imaginary hip black friend and you're young and you have no social needs, then he's cool."

This is why I am no longer a Clinton supporter, and am sorry I ever was.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 10:25 AM

Obama IS pretty hip as far as future leaders of the free world go.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 10:31 AM

Obama hip? He appears to me to be a total nerd and square. Is he "hip" because he's black?

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 10:35 AM

telling, given the fact that all of these thugs live on lincoln place between underhill and washington...and not a single robbery reported on the block? can't these asshats mug each other and leave the rest of us alone?

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 10:56 AM

He's hip because he smokes and he's a baller.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 11:11 AM

He's hip cuz he's HAWAIIAN!

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 11:12 AM

Agreed, 10:25.

It's the idiocy of the Clinton campaign staff that made me become an Obama supporter. They have never never never once let anybody forget Obama is black.

It's called racism.

As for what Obama can give us, if he has the alternative is someone who is not going to thrust this country once more into years of partisan nastiness, great. Happens to be EXACTLY what we need. The Clintons on the other hand are showing they can't run a competitive campaign without being complete assholes. It's literally impossible for them. Buh-bye.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 1:34 PM

didn't Obama's wife state that blacks should vote for Obama because he's black?

Hows that any different?

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 3:43 PM

the park slope/prospect heights border can get a little dicey it seems late at night. On those nice quiet streets filled with brownstones is where it is easy for the muggers to get what they want.

Posted by: guest at February 7, 2008 5:28 PM