Red Hook Containerport to Stay

looks like red hook ain't going to happen. There was that article a few months back about how small retail is leaving the area and landlords are having difficulty getting storefronts rented.

Now the container port is there to stay. The cruise ship terminal has been a bust. The city hasn't let developers build large scale housing/condos. Transportation still sucks - even with the expanded bus service recently announced.

So now there is a big box store, a supermarket on par with a big box store, a bunch of projects and a container port. Doesn't look like the Red Hook revitalization is ever going to happen. If you bought at inflated prices with those hopes better sell fast to recoup what you can.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 9:27 AM

F*ck you Carcetti!

-Nicky Sobotka

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 10:04 AM

It's a shame.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 10:20 AM

jobs instead of luxury condos? crazy.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 10:33 AM

Now if the politicians can stand up to the NIMBY's like the Juniper Park Civic Association maybe we can actually get the cross-harbor rail tunnel (which has been promised for 80 years) and NYC-LI can finally stop relying exclusively on polluting and expensive truck freight.
NYC Harbor is a tremendous natural resource and it would be a shame to turn it all into residential

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 10:37 AM

Red Hook was NEVER EVER going to happen as a residential neighborhood as long as is it remains essentially cut off from mass transit.
Not withstanding Barbara Corcoran's predictions, it was obvious to anyone who understands how NYC works.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 10:39 AM

10.39 - I absolutely agree. Barbara doesn't commute to work so she cluelessly equated Red Hook with Williamsburg without taking into account the most important factor.

thankfully, the hook will remain as it is.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 10:46 AM

it will remain as it is but with the addition of the ikea which will change a lot in a negative way. it used to be a sleepy little area that had charm but it is about to get run over by loads of traffic on the weekends.

Had it made the conversion to much more residential this may have been ok, it would have been very different but there would be an overall increased vibrancy. Now there will just be traffic. It's a shame actually. With some better planning Red Hook could have been something really nice.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 11:08 AM

What does the container port have to do with Red Hook? There is still plenty of room for development. And besides the container port should be looking for space in Sunset Park so it can eventually move where it belongs.

I would just like to see the city do something that actually helps Red Hook for once instead screwing things up again and again.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 11:34 AM

Red Hook? Charm?

I do not think that words means what you think it means.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 11:36 AM

bummer. who would have thunk it ... Gowanus is ascendant and the 'Hook is getting killed. what a flip-flop.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 12:19 PM

I believe most of these container ports are just south of Atlantic, an area some like to call Cobble Hill West or Carroll Gardens West. This area is easily accessible to transportation and is mostly residential (like Tiffany Place) already. There are great businesses like Alma that already exists. This could have been a real boost to the area. When the Brooklyn Bridge Park and Bike Path gets built, it could have been a great extension.

I feel the politicos had no idea where this area really is. They hear Red Hook and think it's the slums. I'm all for jobs, but this area shouldn't be industrial and manufaturing any more. The landscape has changed. The shipping should have moved to Sunset Park and be given an even longer lease. In 10 years, we're going to be going through the same thing and hopefully then this project will get done.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 12:21 PM

Does anyone know how this affects the Brooklyn Greenway bike path? Isn't it suppose to run down Columbia ad Van Brunt which is right in front of this shipping yard.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 12:22 PM

People do covet Brooklyn's waterfront. What do you call Dumbo. Also shipping isn't being run out of town, just moved to a locale that is mroe fitting for industrial. This area is predominantly residential.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 2:03 PM

Guest at 10:37, the freight tunnel would actually come in further down in Sunset park, closer to Bay Ridge, but you are absolutely right about it's importance.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 2:23 PM

denton,

That's not where the shipping yard is. People live all along Columbia Street from Atlantic down to Woodhull. Get a clue.

Posted by: guest at February 15, 2008 4:48 PM