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January 8, 2008
Which Way Are Readers Leaning in the Presidential Race?
Speaking of politics...While New Yorkers won't weigh in on the presidential race officially for about another month, we thought the occasion of today's New Hampshire primary would be a good opportunity to see which way Brooklynites (or a certain blog-reading subsection, at least) were leaning. Please take the five-question Democratic Primary Poll on the link. The polls will close at 8 o'clock tonight and we'll have the results for you in the morning. In the meantime, any predictions for how the real primary will go today?
Brownstoner Primary Poll [Survey Monkey]
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Hillary yo!
Experience and action plan is everything.
Look what a charming man did for the majority of voters for the past 8 years.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 9:35 AM
the folks I initially supported, Biden and Dodd, are already out.
Not thrilled with Clinton (Don't think a woman can handle the job) and I think Obama is all style and no substance (he's an amazing speaker, I'll give him that).
I'm liking Ron Paul.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 9:37 AM
Huckabee - fairtax.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 9:43 AM
Fairtax? Please. In what universe is a 23% *sales tax* going to work or even stand a chance of passing? You can call it the "Fairtax" or the "GoAmericaVictoryFairLibertyTaxForJustice", but it's still outrageously regressive. You think another Republican administration is going to be able to handle passing out rebates to poor Americans all over the place because you basically just cut their pay 23%? After 7 years of relentless organizational disasters and mess-ups? They'll just appoint a 24-year-old from the Heritage Foundation to run it and Huckabee will tell us it doesn't work because we're not praying hard enough.
Anyway, you can see who I'm supporting here- it's in the chorus of this Motorhead song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MooU_n7wDv4
ps: would've logged in as me, but the pw reset doesn't seem to work right. bounces me to the reset pw page w/ no new password.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 9:57 AM
I don't know why so many people think Clinton has experience. That is the biggest crock I've ever heard! She was first lady... not president. If your lawyer was too sick to come to trial would you say that his wife of 25 years was experienced enough to take his place by virtue of being his wife???? This is an over simplification as she is very smart lady; but not experienced. Are you convinced that 4 more years in the senate than Barack makes her experienced??? Barack was in the state senate for 8 years. Does that make him more experienced? Neither of two should be running on experience and at least Barack is smart enough to know that.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:03 AM
Typical Non-Sensical New York Liberal Poll - Thanks Brownstoner!: "Here is a list of the democratic contenders - Pick one or 'I am a Republican'"
Same mentality that keeps this country so fractured and divided. What about third parties, why only democrats and not republicans (Yes I know in NY it doesnt matter to 90% of the people) but seriously - Regardless of who the nominee is, the NY electorate will go to a democrat, just like the South Carolina eletorate will go to a Republican. This Election will be decised in Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico, as always...
All of these so called 'Major" candidates (From both "Major" Parties)suck eggs big time. It is so sad this is the best our country has to offer, and for all the double-talk, political pandering, name-calling, lifetime suck-up candidates, one of them will be leading this country.
The most sobering thought is one of these yahoos will be in office while our disfunctional and ineffectual congress will be doing nothing to counterweight or even fill in the gaps for lack of experience.
Our government is so wrecked and it is all a function of the Two Party System that helps keep the dysfunction train rolling.
Posted by: newsouthsloper at January 8, 2008 10:07 AM
Did someone REALLY just say "don't think a woman can handle the job"? Get back to your cave - bet you don't DARE say the same about a "black man".
What jobs, precisely, do you see women not able to "handle" right now?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:08 AM
Obama.
Posted by: BrooklynZoo at January 8, 2008 10:10 AM
Obama
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:12 AM
The young love Obama,
The middle aged want to love Obama but are worried about the world. There are some very un-nice people out there.
Middle aged people do not love Hillary.
We have come to accept her as inevitable and wish for the best, but cringe at the thought of Bubba back the white house.
The Republicans are just trying to outdo each other as to who will be more sadistic to immigrants. I'm surprised no one has come up with pouring boiling oil on illegals at the border.
Only John McCain on the Rep side has shown any class.
So I say it will come down to Obama and McCain.
A McCain/Romney ticket would be formidible espeially agaisnt the green Obama. The Dems should not take the election for granted.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:13 AM
Obama, Obama, Obama
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:14 AM
President Obama
Vice president Hillary
Sounds great dosen't it?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:16 AM
I can't belive people's comments....really have you been following the elections or are you voting for Obama because of his ethnic background? Hillary cause she is a woman? I hope everyone has more substance and will make a decision that they feel comfortable with.
Posted by: KarinaB at January 8, 2008 10:17 AM
Baracking it and not stopping it!!
Honestly - I echo the above poster - Hillary's "experience" is crap.
It's time for her to come to her senses and get behind the next president - Barack Obama.
Posted by: Liani at January 8, 2008 10:20 AM
I'm voting for Huckabee. What this country needs is another President who thinks the earth is 6,000 years old and who not only believes that the rapture is coming, but is willing to use our military to speed its arrival.
Posted by: Johnny at January 8, 2008 10:23 AM
Hillary = Bush, same old shit.
Obama if I have to.
Clint Eastwood if I could.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:24 AM
Thats funny Johnny!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:24 AM
Every single candidate (With Perhaps the Exception of Ron Paul, and some 3rd Party ones) will bury us and our children under more debt, wasteful spending, misplaced ideals, poor judgment, and government expansion.
We will be less free than China in a few short years the way things are going. and alot of people seem to be just fine with that.
The warm soothing embrace of uncle sam is tightening its grip.
Posted by: newsouthsloper at January 8, 2008 10:27 AM
Hillary
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:28 AM
newsouthsloper -- our candidates/presidents our a direct extention of us as a people. This is who we are, and it's fking ugly but it's the truth. Let's face it and commit mass suicide.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:32 AM
our=are
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:33 AM
fairtax would help people get out the subprime mess - they'd actually have the income up front to pay the mortgage. Instead of being taxed regardless on your income, you can chose when to pay the tax, i.e. by spending on taxed items or not.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:33 AM
Edwards
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:34 AM
Bush Clinton Bush Clinton
25 + years of the same two families running the country. Very Very unAmerican.
If she wasn't a Clinton I would consider her
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:35 AM
I still hope that by some fluke, we get to vote for Jim Webb. Webb/Obama is my dream ticket. And let Hillary become the grand dame of the Senate. I feel for her -- unfortunately she is both too early and too late. Look at the corporate world -- 60 year old women have been passed by but they are promoting the 40 year olds to top jobs. Like every other woman her age, she has had to put on a smile and fit in with the guys for 40 years -- no wonder everyone thinks she's phoney. She's not -- just too used to doing what she has to do to stay in the game.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:36 AM
I still hope that by some fluke, we get to vote for Jim Webb. Webb/Obama is my dream ticket. And let Hillary become the grand dame of the Senate. I feel for her -- unfortunately she is both too early and too late. Look at the corporate world -- 60 year old women have been passed by but they are promoting the 40 year olds to top jobs. Like every other woman her age, she has had to put on a smile and fit in with the guys for 40 years -- no wonder everyone thinks she's phoney. She's not -- just too used to doing what she has to do to stay in the game.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:36 AM
Whoever becomes the next president will need to brace themselves, especially if they are a woman or if they are quite young.
A couple of terrorist attacks on US soil will get people thinking that global warming is perhaps not the biggest threat we face.
What would Hillary do if the US is attacked again? What would Obama do? I hope they have a plan beause it's going to happen.
In Hillary's case, the cave-dwellers will want to test the boundaries cause these folks think women should be wrapped up in blankets and not seen much less heard. They will test her.
Will she be like Margaret Thacher or Neville Chamberlain?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:38 AM
Eliminate the presidency. Without a president we will be fine.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:39 AM
anyone who "The What" votes for.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:40 AM
whomever is most likely to care about this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080108/hl_nm/deaths_rankings_dc;_ylt=AosvC3ZzHUI7KUxRpgm_aDBa24cA
(i.e., France best, U.S. worst in preventable death ranking)
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:42 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the "war on terrorism" and the war in Iraq.
The Shrub has not only erased the budget surplus so diligently pursued and achieved by Bill Clinton and the country, but has mired us in a war that will never end. He's erased whatever support, good will and positive influence this country had, and whoever becomes president will spend every day they are in office trying to undo the damage, as best they can.
If only we could have impeached both him and Cheney.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at January 8, 2008 10:43 AM
10:16
Great ticket,
A black president and a woman vice president.
That would carry Berkely and Park Slope for sure.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:46 AM
But this is CRAZY. Brownstoner - I CAN'T believe you didn't even include republican candidates in your poll. HOW can you make that kind of assumption. It's frankly really depressing that we live in such a ridiculously homogenous part of this country that only ONE person even commented on Brownstoner's assumption that everyone is a democrat. No wonder people on this thread are saying such stupid things - they never meet anyone who challenges their opinions.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:46 AM
Obama all the way!
Posted by: martis at January 8, 2008 10:47 AM
I don't see how nobody ever buying anything anymore (due to 23% fairtax) is supposed to help the economy or create jobs. Or shoot, just KEEP the retail jobs if that were implemented.
Ron Paul on the issue of taxes is no different than any of the other Republican candidates who are ranting about immigration. They exploit issues they know push the voters' buttons, without any specifics whatsoever about how their plan will actually work and truly impact the economy.
Please someone just finally put this question to Romney - tell us sir, in detail, how you propose to remove 12 million people from the U.S. and how will we pay for it? We'll give you all the time you need to answer the question. Okay, go.
And to the person who said Hillary was "just the first lady" and doesn't have the experience, try following politics over the long term over several years as a constant pursuit, not just what's been happening over the last week or so. You clearly know nothing about Hillary Clinton. But of course that's typical of American voters. They show up at the polls totally ignorant and vote for who they "like" emotionally. I like Obama, but still, what I said is a true picture of anti-intellectual America. It's embarrassing.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:51 AM
True that, 10:46!
I am a liberal, but here in NYC, I know several Republicans. It's not like they don't exist here. And I find NYC Republicans to be not too far from my moderate-Democrat views, because they are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. (talking about the educated ones anyway, not the Italian dudes in Bay Ridge, no diss to Bay Ridge, just sayin')
Plus look how many New Yorkers vote for conservative mayors.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:54 AM
The two-party election is a joke. Whoever gets elected will not change the politics in Washington. We're inspired now, but we'll be complaining next year when the new president steps in. It's sickening. There must be a way out of this hoax.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:54 AM
I agree that Brownstoner is remiss in not including Republican candidates.
Monstrose Morris, your 10:43 post demonstrates that you are capable of brevity. Kindly keep it up.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:55 AM
Obama would choose Biden as his running mate. So would Hillary if she pulled up in the ranks and won the nomination.
Biden helps compensate for Obama's lack of international experience. It would be a great ticket.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:58 AM
I like Clinton.
But for some reason, Mitt Romney seems the most "presidential". You know, he has the president haircut, talks like a president.
I like Obama as well. He is getting the young people interested, which is a double edged sword. It's good to get young people involved, but it's also annoying to have a bunch of punks running around blindly supporting a person of which they know nothing of their policies.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:58 AM
1st Choice Edwards
2nd Choice Obama
newsouthsloper, you are a crybaby loser. Never anything constructive; you never even gave your choice. You're just a whining turd deposited on the north bank of the Gowanus by receding floodwaters.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:58 AM
10:54
Bloomberg and Guiliani were not conservative mayors by any means. Bloomberg was infact a member of the Democratic Party but switched in order to get the Republican nomination.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:01 AM
Romney. So what's wrong with a Mormon president? Except I don't want more Jehovah's witness knocking on my door.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:01 AM
Mitt Romney does seem most presidential. In the old school sense, because he seems the most slick and dishonest.
Which is why he's losing. He's same ole same ole. Hillary has this problem too.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:02 AM
Montrosee is one of those new yorkers who thinks all of the world's problems are caused by his own country.
The loons in places like North Korea and Pakistan are not really all that bad.
I second the request that he please keep his insightful comments as brief as possible.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:02 AM
Giuliani is running as a conservative for President, 11:01.
You know that, right?
There is a difference between East Coast Republican and red state Republicans, but they ARE Republicans.
And Bloomberg is a fiscal conservative, which for most Republicans is what makes someone a Republican in their eyes. Not the religious stuff.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:04 AM
Biden comes across as an arrogant, pedantic finger-pointer.
I can't stand him. He has zero appeal except maybe with pundits. Zero appeal.
And besides who needs Delaware?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:05 AM
I think Romney will make a push. He is definately the most intelligent of all the Repub candidates. McCain just pisses me off.
I would like to see an Obama/Clinton ticket in any order.
I just don't know if the country is ready for a black/female president.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:06 AM
See, 11:05 proves everything I was saying about American voters.
It's all about the candidates' personalities and nothing about their experience.
Morons.
I was talking about Biden running as VICE president you dolt. How much of a charismatic personality has any VICE president ever had? VICE presidential candidates are chosen because they compensate for something lacking in the presidential candidate. That's all. They are never chosen as the "star" of the ticket.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:07 AM
11:04
You said conservative, not republican. I am aware of the parties of both people. i was pointing out their policies in office were not conservative.
conservative/liberal are not synonymous with republican/democrat anymore.
is the governator a conservative because he is the republican governer of california? most of his policies are more liberal than any moderate democrat.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:11 AM
i wish kucinich had a chance.
here's a nice site that lists where everybody stands:
http://issues2000.org/
i'm actually just worried about my voting machine actually recording my votes correctly.
Posted by: Jimmy Legs at January 8, 2008 11:17 AM
I only am long winded when I need to be. So don't get me started, 11:02. Who said anything about Pakistan and North Korea?
Anyone who thinks the current administration has done a good job with anything whatsoever, both in foreign affairs, and domestically, is not only deluded, but blind.
Our dollar is worth less and less every day, we are losing our young men and women stupidly in a war where the soldiers don't die in battle, fighting for an objective, but are blown up driving down the road. Our rights as Americans are being taken away from us in the name of "national security", and we torture people.
No foreign country did that to us, we did it to ourselves. Let's stop blinding waving the flag, and get people in office who can make a difference. I am not naive enough to think any one man or woman can do it alone or in a year or two, but the last 8 years in this country have set us back 100 years.
See - you got me going.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at January 8, 2008 11:18 AM
"How much of a charismatic personality has any VICE president ever had?"
Harry Truman?
Lyndon Johnson?
Richard Nixon?
Theodore Roosevelt?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:18 AM
Me wants white bread. Black friends of mine are already celebrating, not too fast.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:19 AM
I had a good laugh about the fact it listed Republican as an afterthought. Screw the Republicans. Yeah, that's right. That's what I said. Anyway, I voted for Kucinich here, but in reality, I'll chicken out and vote for Obama. He's not a bad second choice!
Posted by: rh at January 8, 2008 11:20 AM
You kind of proved my point, 11:18!
Nixon was hardly known for charisma. LBJ had a twang but that's not charisma.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:20 AM
McCain.
Posted by: crouchback 2 at January 8, 2008 11:36 AM
Folks, you all live in NYC presumably. How has democratic politics benefited this city? If it was not for NYC being the center of the international unsury, it would be an umitigated disaster.
What have democrats done? Failing schools. Housing projects. The complete destruction of the middle class. The decimation of the black community. Unbelievably high taxes. A thoroughly corrupt society. Oppressive zoning laws that favor the rich. The list goes on and on.
Democrats have done nothing since they took congress last year. All the presidential candidates are rehashing the same failed programs from the 1960s and 1970s.
That is no change.
We face serious, potentially crippling problems in the future. The majority of the population receives public assistance in some fashion. The war has cost a trillion dollars. The aggregate debt load from personal and governmental debt is crushing. Our currency is rapidly collapsing. The influx of unskilled, uneducated foreigners is crippling the public support system of many, many states.
We cannot afford more tax and spend politics. We cannot afford endless fractional reserve lending that makes bankers rich at the expense of those who have savings or who need to borrow money for major purchases.
Ron Paul is the only candidate that promises to change our corrupt monetary policy. That alone should make people vote for him. When you combine it with his relentless and uncompromising stance towards foreign intervention, what more can you ask for?
Also, 11:18 - democrats got us into every war of the 20th century, including the Gulf War (democratic congress). The current war, while a disaster, is nothing compared to the likes of Vietnam. As well, our military expenditures in Iraq still are nothing compared to maintaining 130 military bases in dozens of countries worldwide, the creation of which was due to democrats.
Posted by: Polemicist at January 8, 2008 11:36 AM
It wont make a difference. Everyone is 'controlled'. Including Ron Paul, Yes Ron Paul!!!! JFK was the last great president. Shit will be the same. You are sheep and they like to shear your asses. Why does anyone waste their time and vote??!!! The American people do not elect leaders, they are owned by the Machine. Dumbasses.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end.......
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:38 AM
11:07
I know this is an anonymous blog but you do not score any points calling people ugly names.
You must be frustrated (I hope not drunk so early in the day) to lash out that way at people who do not agree with you.
A vice presidential candidate can make or break a ticket in many cases. Biden's appeal is in the negative column, he actually has negative a appeal if that is possible. He may be experienced at beltway meetings but he comes across as a scould.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:41 AM
Can all of you Obama supporters actually tell me what he has accomplished and what his credentials are? Being charismatic and great speaker (Although true, don't count as accomplishments) I am not sure what it is. What is his record? I much prefer a government executive branch candidate as president than lawmakers anyway since they generally have experience in running governments. Things like handling budget, legislatures, emergencies, are all experiences that come with these type of candidates that lawmakers never have, especially a first term senator.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:42 AM
If you vote Republican you are either greedy or ignorant. That is the truth. Now I know most people on this Board are not ignorant. I'm not saying greed is a bad thing-just stating the facts.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:43 AM
11:43 You are ignorant!!!!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:48 AM
1:48 you are ignant! god is greed.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:53 AM
Clinton!
Posted by: kuroko at January 8, 2008 12:00 PM
Edwards as pres.
Obama as vp
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:06 PM
Obama!
BAM!
Meanwhile, get your "1-20-09" t-shirt at www.bushslastday.com.
Posted by: Rehab at January 8, 2008 12:08 PM
11:42- that may be, but I for one am sick of the mess "professional" politicians have made of this country. We need fresh ideas, fresh eyes and a fresh perspective. I happen to like Edwards and Obama- because if experience is the best attribute for a president I think the present administration gives us great reason to question the wisdom of that theory.Clinton has experience, brains and guts. I just fear she doesn't have heart. She comes off too cold and scripted. I'm sick of politicians who let spinmeisters dictate their every move and word.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:08 PM
once again the democrats have failed to find a candidate that could actually get elected in a general election. the republicans are going to run away with this election.
if you honestly think that either obama or clinton can win a general election, then really, you need to get out of PS more.
clinton for sure has a better shot at it tho.
btw - republicans are greedy or ignorant? wtf. with crazies like that, just shows why the democrats lose.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:12 PM
"You kind of proved my point, 11:18! Nixon was hardly known for charisma. LBJ had a twang but that's not charisma."
No, actually I didn't make your point, I refuted it. Although I think he was a terrible president, Nixon managed to perfect the art of there political comeback, SEVERAL times after being left for dead (figuratively speaking), not easy for someone without charisma. Your comment about LBJ just reveals your ignorance on this issue. He was known to be quite charismatic. And you (wisely )don't even attempt to argue against the documented charismatic personalities of Roosevelt or Truman.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:13 PM
4 examples do NOT refute my point, 12:13.
You're the type of personality who can never be wrong and you fight until the end. For what? Is someone going to show up on your doorstep and give you a medal?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:17 PM
"4 examples do NOT refute my point, 12:13."
Yes, actually they do.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:20 PM
Since no one from the current administration is running, by default each candidate represents "change" with maybe the Hillary camp. But then again, we did pretty well under Bill with maybe Osama as an exception. Bill should have taken him out when we he had the chance and maybe we could have avoided the current mess. The economy was booming, the deficit gone, and best of all he had his hand up the foreign countries butts like a puppeteer. They say whatever he wanted like it was their idea, especially the French. Now that's diplomacy. Don't think for one second though Barack is not a professional politician. He is winning and has said anything yet. We'll what happens to that story when we get to more mainstream states.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:24 PM
Evyone on this board is so intelligent. The discussion is so refreshing.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:27 PM
Out of 43 administrations, 12:20? Really??
I'm leaving this discussion. In agreement with 12:27.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:31 PM
Obama/Bloomberg for Prez/Vice prez respectively...
I think it would be a genius combo that could actually fix some mistakes and create infinitely better foreign policy, which this country needs to do ASAP.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:31 PM
12:12, you are delusional. See http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html.
Between Obama, Clinton, and Edwards (plus Richardson and Biden, R.I.P.), this is the most exciting democratic lineup I can remember in my young life. If anything, there are too many good candidates.
The Republicans on the other hand are picking from a pool that includes: a one trick pony who's alienated his own kids, someone who plays a lawyer on TV, a morally... conflicted millionaire, a preacher who knows as much about foreign affairs as a young G.W., and a war veteran who's been running for president for 12 years...
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:33 PM
OBAMA.
edwards vp
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:34 PM
"Evyone on this board is so intelligent."
With the exception of you, of course.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:35 PM
President Hillary Clinton.
Vice President Barack Obama.
(Followed by President Barack Obama in 2017!)
None of this will happen, but a girl can dream....
Posted by: Park Sloper at January 8, 2008 12:36 PM
Oh i agree, 12:24- Bill was a master politician and was good for the country. I'm not saying we should have a politician (kinda impossible) or that "professional politician" is a bad thing. But professional can mean either someone who takes the role seriously and does it to best of his ability with ethics and morals, or professional like this is the way I make my living and i intend to use it for all its worth. The present adminstration prove that one.
re Bill and Bin Laden- from what I've read he did take some steps and was also advised not to do too much so as not to destabilize the region. Nothing and no one could have prevented 9-11 at that point in time unless there are psychics in security and obviously there weren't. despite the information Bush received (and it chokes me to say this) I don't believe he is to blame either. Only Bin Laden is.
But everything since Bush and Cheney need to answer for. they are immoral, ignorant morons and I am being polite.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:37 PM
12:24
"We'll what happens to that story when we get to more mainstream states."
Not sure what you mean by "mainstream" states but I'm assuming you're referring to the less diversified states. Keep in mind, Iowa is only 3% Black.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:38 PM
"Out of 43 administrations, 12:20? Really??"
Yes. Read the original comment:
"How much of a charismatic personality has any VICE president ever had?"
ANY vice president. As in ONE. I named four. I'm right and you two are wrong. I'm waiting for my medal, and I want a parade, too.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:40 PM
Ah. Look what happens when you get a bunch of Park Slopers talking about politics......
Refreshing.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:40 PM
Hold on! Didn't anyone else notice The What admitting that he is a JFK fan? Isn't he the guy who got us into Vietnam? Brougt us to the brink of nuclear war? Out-philandered Clinton? Suddenly The What is out here in his underpants and no one is laughing!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:42 PM
You're my kind of girl, Park Sloper!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:43 PM
Hold on! Didn't anyone else notice The What admitting that he is a JFK fan? Isn't he the guy who got us into Vietnam? Brougt us to the brink of nuclear war? Out-philandered Clinton? Suddenly The What is out here in his underpants and no one is laughing!
No fucktard, It was Eisenhower that got us into that mess. The French got their asses handed to them by the Vietgong. America had a new boogie man in Russia. Plus lets make money by staring a war, thats why you had high inflation in the 70's. Like now with thee Iraq shit fighting wars are expensive and inflationary. JFK was going to end the war but, they blew his fucking head off. Gotta love America.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 12:53 PM
Well, Montrose Morris, you must alway see the need to be long-winded, because you typically can't express yourself briefly. Are you Norman Oder in disguise?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:02 PM
John McCain or Bloomy if he jumps in.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:05 PM
Honey, I can see your skid marks. Sit yourself down.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:06 PM
Pres - Phineas T. Fucktard
VP - Aloysius Q. Asshat
Speaker of the House - The What
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:08 PM
Pres - Phineas T. Fucktard
VP - Aloysius Q. Asshat
Speaker of the House - The What
Yes yes yes!!! I can have all those PAC members bring me money and hookers. Being a Speaker of the House is a wonderful position. I'm with that!!!!!
Speaker of the House: The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:14 PM
Don't you mean the French were intelligent enough to see it was a losing proposition and so they cut their losses? (Unlike us)
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:16 PM
The What has my vote.
His intelligent, erudite, missives regarding his concern for the economy in general and the real estate bubble in particular are a joy to read.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:19 PM
Yoo Hoo!! The shit has hit the fucking fan. Countrywide may be Bankrupt. Shares have been halted! Let the assraped begin!!
U.S. Stocks Fall on Bank Finance Concern; Countrywide Plunges
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601084&sid=aDUZ.B.jjITM&refer=stocks
Lookie here just 8 days into the new year and everything is going to shit!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:25 PM
1:02 - montrose morris? don't you ever get tired of being a bore? You don't think everyone is not only tired if you and your shtick, but you make it so obvious that you are not and never will be in Montrose Morris' league in intelligence, eloquence or knowledge?
If you are so jealous that you feel the need to constantly attack MM, maybe you should think about improving yourself instead. Don't know if that is even possible for the likes of you, but you can try.
-not MM but a fan
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:28 PM
Most Obama voters do not know or care for what he stands for.
Nobody cares that Obama started running for president just one year after he got into the Senate, and that he is totally unqualified to be president.
All that matters is his charisma and looks. He gets all the votes, while a guy like Biden couldn't get arrested.
Very, very scary.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:34 PM
Hey, 1:02, I don't care if you disagree with what I say, my opinion is worth no more or no less than anyone else's. But if all you do is harp on how many words I write, you need to get a life. If you don't like it, skip down. It's not like I'm sucking ink from your printer.
This WAS about the election - a much more important topic.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at January 8, 2008 1:35 PM
1:34 - so George W. Bush was qualified???? Please.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at January 8, 2008 1:37 PM
Hey Montrose- he was qualified but just not for President (or VP or senator or representative or even dog-catcher) :-)
PS- keep writing! this forum needs knowledgeable people who can hold an intelligent discussion. The troll is just jealous because he can't compete.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:45 PM
MM - Anyone who has served a term as Governor of a large state is infinitely more qualified that someone who has served a single term in the Senate. Especially one who doesn't even show up to vote.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/02/obama.missed.votes/
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:46 PM
Sorry, 1:37. Like him or not, Bush was governor of Texas and then reelected with a huge majority. Obama was a back-bencher Illinois State Senator representing a district that was 90% Democratic.
Support him at your own peril. It will be interesting to see what his voting record was in Illinois.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 1:59 PM
Blaming Vietnam on Eisenhower? That's rich.
Who warned against the military-industrial complex? Who coined the term?
Did you even read his farewell speech?
Posted by: Polemicist at January 8, 2008 2:00 PM
Sure 1:46, if signing a lot of death row warrants as governor prepares you to then go on and send almost 3,000 of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to death, if that makes you qualified to be president, then you are absolutely correct.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at January 8, 2008 2:01 PM
Obama may be elected for the same reason that JFK was elected. He's young and nice looking and has a beautiful wife. People love that. JFK was quite young and inexperienced, and a Catholic, of course he was also a war hero and his father had been ambassador to England, so the parallels are not perfect. Obama's chief negative is the name. yeech. That will cost him.
Mitt is a very nice looking man too but I think he has alianated Hispanics, he could chose an Hispanic running mate, that republican congresswoman from Florida with the hyphenated last name. That would work. The winner will need to carry florida and new mexico. the republicans have been so idiotic comparing hispanics to terrorists. that will cost them a lot of votes in those two states.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:02 PM
It's really a shame if we vote for people to run this country because of their looks or their names. Have we really become that shallow? I certainly hope not.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at January 8, 2008 2:06 PM
Just remember that the only reason most of you have heard of Obama is because Seven of Nine's ex-husband got busted when their divorce proceedings became public and the gop couldn't come up with a better candidate than A. Keyes.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:14 PM
Montrose, a candidate's looks and their name (ie: Clinton, Bush) are the second and third most important things to being elected. Only money comes first, Something btw, that JFK did not lack.
Monti, you seem a little ivory-tower.
Are you a college prof? you sound like someone with only a glancing familiarity with the realities of American society and and culture.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:14 PM
Bloomberg would be my #1 but it is impossible for an independent to win...so
I just don't think Obama is really ready - I kinda think Hillary is right, that is very easy to talk of "change" but actually getting something done is whole different can of worms (see Elliot Spitzer), and frankly while its nice to think that he could rally the world to a more cooperative less antagonistic relationship - I'm afraid that there really are 'evil doers' out there who really only see strength and weakness.
I thought Hillary might be ok, but now I am seeing even if she governed in a moderate way, too many people hate her (on some principal I dont get) and wont let her do anything (see Elliot Spitzer)
So I think I am rooting for McCain - sure he does have some of that conservative B.S. in him - anti-abortion etc.... but he is very fiscally conservative and is mostly a pragmatist looking to get good outcomes (see immigration, campaign finance reform, and stem cell research). And on the war, he has stuck to his principals (send more troops) even when it is/was very unpopular and it appears he was right (even if your pissed we were lied to - it is better to win then lose).
Rudy doesnt have the temperament; Huckabee doesnt believe in evolution (and tons more, but why go further then that), and Roomney is a total phoney.
I can live with McCain so right now - I'm pulling for him.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:20 PM
"Montrose, a candidate's looks and their name (ie: Clinton, Bush) are the second and third most important things to being elected. Only money comes first, Something btw, that JFK did not lack."
It must be a slow day at the office. Maybe you should spend that excess time going back to school for a degree. I agree with the other poster, you picked the wrong opponent to go up against. Say something intelligent and rational, or stop posting. Here's a tip: good rebuttals are the key to a good debate.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:23 PM
Blaming Vietnam on Eisenhower? That's rich.
Who warned against the military-industrial complex? Who coined the term?
Did you even read his farewell speech?
Hey Polemicist i think you have a 'Hard On' for me now but to answer you. Eisenhower knew what was coming to the pike for America. America was a superpower and the worlds policeman. between then and now you had about 9 wars and God knows how many covert ones. War is where the "Big Boys" make money and they don't give a fuck about us. Now go away and take your meds.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end....
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:31 PM
I like McCain too.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:37 PM
Again, TW, Bravo! I say, GOOD SHOW!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:38 PM
All you Obama bashers are just jealous.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:45 PM
Obama has been an elected official since 1997, Hillary since 2000? I don't get this experience talk? I value Obama's experience as a community organizer and civil rights attorney way more than I value Clinton's experience as a ... wife.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:49 PM
To 2:01 - Dude, I did not say Bush is a good president. I said being elected and re-elected as governor of Texas qualifies you to be president. Being a back-bencher state senator and thinking your qualified to be president after one year in the US Senate does not. Get the difference?
And JFK was elected to Congress in 1947. He was in office for 12 years!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:51 PM
"Sorry, 1:37. Like him or not, Bush was governor of Texas and then reelected with a huge majority."
These are NOT exactly sterling qualifications, poseter, and based on what's happened since, quite indiicative of the vaue of these "accomplishments."
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 2:59 PM
"and his father had been ambassador to England"
And a drug dealer, too. Don't forget.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 3:01 PM
2:23 you write like a self-righteous fucktard.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 3:06 PM
mccain = bush
if you think there's a difference, you are SADLY mistaken.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 3:25 PM
10:13 summarized the situation very nicely, I think. (But then, I'm just another middle-ager.) Except that I'm not as conviced as 10:13 that the dems will end up nominating Obama.
And, yes(!?!), I totally agree with The What here - the reason they killed JFK is because they wanted to escalate the war - and he wasn't for that. It's all out there to read, people, not that anyone cares to - it's considered ancient history. But that was the beginning of what we've seen in the past decade -deciding who will be president by coup.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 3:26 PM
OBAMA come on people!!!! he has accomplished nothing, except get elected in a one of the most fraudulant districts in the states. I personally like Roomney or Guliani but if Obama will help you with the white guilt than go ahead, vote for an unexperienced canidate.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 3:54 PM
right on 11:32!!!!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 3:58 PM
The What:
Any time you want to bend over and take in hard, you let me know.
Posted by: Polemicist at January 8, 2008 4:05 PM
So what are Obama's credentials again?
State Senator for a bunch of time?
Joe Bruno for President then, he's been state senator longer.
Hillary? The real crook in WhiteWater. Bill was always innocent.
Bring Bill back and let's coronate him.
Problem solved.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:10 PM
The What = The Twat!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:13 PM
"if Obama will help you with the white guilt than [SIC} go ahead"
3:54, way to assume that we are all white.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:19 PM
I think all democratic candidates are good and difficult shoice. And our motto should be speak no evil against any of them.
Most important is trying to clean up the mess and disgrace of last 8 years. And no republican is going to do that.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:25 PM
Edwards would be great, but I know he's a longshot. I'm okay with all of the candidates, but for some reason I'm not feeling the Obama love like everyone else. His experience is too green and his purple lips disturb me. I love the idea of Biden as a VP, though. As a former Delawarian, I'd love to see that guy ascend to where he deserves to be.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:31 PM
I'm with 4:25.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:39 PM
"I personally like Roomney or Guliani but if Obama will help you with the white guilt than go ahead, vote for an unexperienced canidate."
If I were white (which I'm not), and I was at all concerned about "white guilt," why would I switch my vote to Guiliani, who is generally abhorrent to non-whites?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:41 PM
Mccain=Bush
How do you figure?:
War:even if Iraq would have happened under McCain: 1. We would have had enough troops from the start 2. Abu Graib never would have happened.
Economy:McCain never would have voted for majority of tax cuts
Domestic: Katrina wouldn't have been led by a crony (or at least it would have been a crony who could do the job); Stem cell ban never would have happened
Bush= moron, inexperienced, bible-thumping loser
McCain=intelligent, experienced, hated by Christian Cons and hero
Not sure I get how they are equal
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:41 PM
I don't think anyone from Delaware can run for pres or VP. It's in the constitution. and it's there for a reason!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:41 PM
"The What:
Any time you want to bend over and take in hard, you let me know.
Posted by: Polemicist"
No baby. I don't get down like that. Take your gayity somewhere else. BTW Stupid, There is only one What. Now go away, bitch.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 4:50 PM
Sharpton/Barron 2008!
Reparations today,
Reparations tomorrow,
Reparations forever!!!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 5:17 PM
I think Clinton's advisors suck BIG TIME. She is getting extremely defensive and going negative, and she should be doing just the opposite. It's horrible and it will ruin her. I am still voting for her, but she needs to dump her crew and get new advice.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 5:28 PM
William F. Buckley for President
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 5:30 PM
You guys really think any of these candidates, Republican or Democrat, offers any "Change"? Have you picked up a history book ever or taken Poly Sci 101.
They are all part of the same corrupt and dysfunctional system. Calling myself a Democrat as opposed to a Reblican is like saying your an asshat vs a fucktard - Its the same goddam thing. People have been electing leaders for decades who are going to "change" things, promise to make your lives somehow better, institute programs and policies that a President has absolutely no authority or power to do...
Once they get your vote, they quickly melt into the massive lumbering political machine cranking out favors and graf in exchange for ass-covering and donations and political cover for the next election.
So sad what a monstrosity our government has become, sucking everything and everyone in as quickly as we can throw our arms in the air with a homemade "Go Obama" or "Romney 08"
sign pledging our allegance.
Posted by: newsouthsloper at January 8, 2008 5:38 PM
wow. cynical much, 5:38?
might as well just go out and loot the streets tonight then.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 5:44 PM
No, 5:44 I dont think total anarchy will solve the problem - But how about voting 3rd party or independent candidates and stop feeding into the vicious 2 party machine that has so many locked in.
The 2 party system, and the primaries in particular, make sure we get the worst, most extreme candidate from each party and then it is always a contest of "Lesser of 2 Evils"
Posted by: newsouthsloper at January 8, 2008 5:48 PM
It's going to be a tough choice for the Dems. as for experience, and pointing out the Bush had so much more than Obama- the comparison isn't really valid. Bush had a political machine to put him in office- i can't explain otherwise how a substandard intellect with the social skills of backwoods squirrel eater and the foreign policy and military skills of a 9 year old playing with GI Joe dolls is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama. If Bush is the example of what an experienced politican can do, please! give me a 3 year old child. When they said a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, they meant Bush for sure.
experience is obviously no indicator of competency. I do like Edwards though- Edwards/Obama would be a great ticket too.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 6:24 PM
Edwards. Or Bloomberg.
Hillary is a cynical opportunist.
Obama is substance-less.
Every one of the Republicans is a scary freak.
Ron Paul is batsh*t crazy.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 6:32 PM
Brownstoner must be a republican to have started this thread.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 6:54 PM
Clinton-Obama
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 6:57 PM
I used to think people like newsouthsloper were cynical too, 5:44 - now I know they're just realists.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 7:01 PM
What exactly, 6:32, is batshit crazy about Ron Paul?
Can you name one specific position or policy that you consider batshit crazy?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 7:02 PM
7:02, Stop asking sane questions here.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 7:14 PM
ron paul is against roe v. wade. he is against substantial gun control. he wants the US to quit the united nations. i think he's nuts. he also looks kinda creepy.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 7:24 PM
Yeah 7:04 - That is really "Batshit Crazy" stuff...
I wonder what you must think of people you disagree with on other issues? Totally F*cking off the wall stewing in their own feces satan worshipping baby murders?
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 7:29 PM
Whoa now 7:29, you are hitting on the core hipocrosy of pretending to value diversity here. Tread lightly.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 7:49 PM
President - Brad Hamilton
VP - Mike Damone
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 8:01 PM
Who was the idjit who said that the primary system gives us the most extreme candidate? If that's the case, Tancredo and Kucinich would be duking it out in November, you ASSHAT.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 8:14 PM
wrong 8:14 - Hillary is a communist and Huckabee is bible thumping conservative.
Kucinich is not extreme left - He is just extreme.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 8:23 PM
crock, 8:23. you and what you say. any communist that heard you call hillary one of theirs would render an asswhipping on you
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 8:28 PM
If I was married to Hillary I'd be solicting blowjobs from interns too. I wonder if that cigar was a cuban Montecristo No.2?
Monica is voting republican, the democrats left a bad taste in her mouth.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 8:28 PM
McCain is hero, but otherwise stupid. Mitt Romney is, if only by the default, the best qualified R candidate.
Posted by: BrooklynCouch at January 8, 2008 8:29 PM
Google "Communist Hillary Clinton" and you will have countless websites to choose from...
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 8:52 PM
oh boy, 8:52, you mean there are "bloggers" out there with the same mush for brains as the assclown who first posted that nonsense? boy, you're a certified interweb GENIUS (sorry, I meant NITWIT)! please, fool, you wouldn't know a friggin' communist if he or she came up and caved in your skull with a hammer and slashed your throat with a sickle. stick to studying for your GED, you need all the help you can get.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 9:55 PM
9:55 - I understand the futile anguish you must feel as a hopped up liberal (Sorry, I meant socialist NITWIT)when someone dares challege your elitist Hillary loving views.
Sad, so so sad.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:01 PM
I wont need to study for my GED, the liberal communists will make sure none of us need an education at all. We will all have free healthcare, equal wages, generous welfare, and protection from all foreign goods and competition.
I'll just sit back and wait for my check to come in. I think I will easily adjust to being part of the entitled, though unemployed, proletariat.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 10:06 PM
Hillary, Pres./Obama, V.P. period.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:09 PM
Obama / Biden is my dream ticket -
but I do have to agree with previous post - that the lack of Republican candidates in the poll is a bit ridiculous.....
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:17 PM
10:06, you might be the single asshattiest fucktard in the history of fucktardian asshats. and considering you're up against the fifth grade debater aka 10:01, that's sayin' something!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:34 PM
The point is, 10:01, that I can't STAND Hillary. Not because she's a sellout to the republican shitdrain that you bathe your pea brain in each and every day. It really is amazing how myopic and moronic one human being can be, but you have shown me true ability. Keep up the good work, 10:01, you're an inspiration to fucking dipshits everywhere.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:47 PM
The point is, 10:01, that I can't STAND Hillary. Because she's a sellout to the republican shitdrain that you bathe your pea brain in each and every day. It really is amazing how myopic and moronic one human being can be, but you have shown me true ability. Keep up the good work, 10:01, you're an inspiration to fucking dipshits everywhere.
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:47 PM
who is the moron on brownstoner who rights "period" at the end of everything they say? writing the word, "period" really does not bring your points home, it just makes you annoying. Now stop doing it!
Posted by: guest at January 8, 2008 11:55 PM
"2:23 you write like a self-righteous fucktard."
Thank you. Now be a good boy and take a look at everyone elses posts, and then re-read yours. Do you see the obvious difference in intellectual capacity?
Go play on another thread. The grown-ups are trying to have an adult conversation.
Posted by: guest at January 9, 2008 1:38 AM
A recap from the last election:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/
Posted by: guest at January 9, 2008 5:57 AM
this poll is bullshit, requiring you to give your income. is this a poll or an ad troll? lame
Posted by: guest at January 9, 2008 6:09 AM
Hillary/Obama Ticket - Real good one. Surely that would carry NY, as if there is ever any question. But seriously, the country will struggle with a female in office, but may overcome, the country will struggle with a black in office, but may too overcome - A female and black together on one ticket gaurantees defeat to whatever white guy wins the R nomination.
Sorry but thems the facts.
Posted by: newsouthsloper at January 9, 2008 8:27 AM
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