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January 31, 2008

Violet Tide Coming to Downtown?

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Downtown Brooklyn might become something of a college town. According to a report in Washington Square News, NYU's new 25-year expansion plan includes taking around 1 million square feet of space in Downtown Brooklyn. While NYU hasn't released details about how it would expand across the East River, the plans are presumably tied to the school's merger with Polytechnic (though the school already snatched up some graduate housing at 67 Livingston on its own). It's unclear whether the university would build new facilities or whether it would merely use existing space. Think this is good news for the rapidly transforming area? From a supply-demand perspective, it seems like it could only bolster the market.
NYU plans expansion into Govs Isle, Brooklyn [Washington Sq. News]
Downtown Brooklyn in Transition [Brownstoner]
Photo of Downtown by chickitykd.




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NYU desperately needed to add an engineering school of some kind. They will never be the world class university they claim to be until that happens. Mergin with Polytechnic is a good move, and NYU will undoubtedly build new facilities of some kind.

I have to say though, I really would prefer it if NYU kids aren't running around my hood. I can't stand Greenwich Village for this reason.

But, if it comes - so be it.

Posted by: Polemicist at January 31, 2008 9:19 AM

i hate nyu. the school is too big and they have no consideration for the neighborhoods they occupy. way too expensive also. who wants young, out of town, spoiled rich kids running around? i think brklyn is a great bourgh and the people who live there are really invested in the community, developemtn etc etc. bringing nyu to downtown brk is going to create lots of fash food rest, bars and noise. really who wants that - tons of young rich kids who don't know or really care about the place they are living for 4 breif years. that is def the scene on broadway in manhattan - one of the more unpleasant experiences downtown.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 9:22 AM

It sounds pretty unlikely that this is going to happen -- I mean the actual text of the piece is littered with the word "could." Also, in 25 years the world could be over as we know it, so why give a shit about NYU's expansion plan?

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 9:27 AM

Well, listening to previous comments sounds like you are all against diversity.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 9:30 AM

Harvard's moving some of its campus to Boston across the river from Cambridge, why shouldn't NYU move to Brooklyn? Obviously, the school's developed enough of a "brand" that it could head back to the Bronx, one of its original campuses, and flourish.

For Brooklyn, thousands of new students means increased street life, retail and entertainment activity, and safety (students are fearless about walking around any time of the day). And they'll probably attract new residents of all ages who like being in a university environment (think of Morningside Heights).

(For the naysayers on Brownstoner: Have you forgotten that you were college and graduate-school students once? We probably bumped into each other at Harvard Square!)

Just hope NYU recognizes the opportunities for putting up fresh and exciting architecture. Especially given the separation between main and satellite campuses, downtown's shouldn't look the poor cousin. (About this Brooklynites might be worried. NYU's track record in the East Village is none too good.)

U. Designer

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 9:33 AM

Brooklyn's more diverse than NYU.
Not against diversity, but am against NYU's juggernaut approach to expansion. They've proven themselves to not be good neighbors. The students will turn Smith Street into MacDougall St.
I wouldn't be surprised if they buy the Bossert.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 9:37 AM

I'd hate to tell you, but I went to NYU and while I came from out of town, I am not rich and had to work my ass off for my degree. While there are a number of annoying 'rich' kids at the school, to make the assumption that there aren't a high number of people who are nice, respectable and of modest means is just stupid.

Besides, engineering students tend to be much more 'grown up' than your typical college kids. And from what I understand, the majority of the 'NYU in Brooklyn' would be graduate students, most of whom are established, upstanding people who would help bolster a community.


So bite my ass.

Seniorbrownstone

Posted by: seniorbrownstone at January 31, 2008 10:03 AM

Good point 9:37

NYU I believe already has a few rooms at the dorm section of the St. George - I bet the Bossert would be an attractive option.

Posted by: Polemicist at January 31, 2008 10:12 AM

The engineering students are already there. Poly currently has a dorm downtown.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 10:23 AM

well that sucks, we are going to get bunch of engineering dude walking around. bring over the nursing program, give me something to look at during lunch. ;)

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 10:29 AM

I think this is GREAT news - it will bring vibrancy and youth to the area and shake up all of us bourgeois middle-aged dullards. Improve the quality of nightlife, and maybe even bring some good lecture series. University energy is a great thing.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 10:32 AM

9:33 typifies graduates of Ivy league schools, always having to slip the fact into conversation regardless of relevancy.

"Hi, Jim. I just purchased some toilet paper"

"Why, Yes, Bertrand, it reminds me of the time I used to wipe my ass at Dartmouth."

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 10:34 AM

...nice respectable and modest, then 'bite my ass?'

They're very well may be, but they probably don't go by the moniker seniorbrownstone.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 10:37 AM

So ture 10.34, though I must say that it is the Harvard grads that do this the most.

I think NY in downtown Brooklyn is a great thing, especially graduate students.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 10:49 AM

Makes you wonder if the Urban Outfitters folks had wind of this.

Insta market!

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 10:52 AM

This is why Brownstoner (posters) suck. How could you possibly be against a major world class university expanding into Brooklyn? It is wonderful for the Boro - can only bring more jobs, more $, more prestige and more services. Yet the envy and nimby feelings that seem to consume a large % of Brownstone readership can only find the negative.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 10:57 AM

Higher education is possibly Brooklyn's best bet at developing an export industry and being something more than a bedroom community for Manhattan. The handful of artists, writers, choreographers, etc. who live and work in Brooklyn are nice, but that doesn't go too far.

I agree that NYU moving back to its uptown campus would be pretty cool. But I don't thinkg CUNY is looking to close Bronx Community College any time soon.

I'm still amazed that NYU has become the number one dream school for kids from around the country. A couple generations back, it was the commuter school for kids who weren't smart enough to get into City College. This was back when CCNY was free, and your punishment for not getting good grades was you had to pay for college at NYU.

Posted by: Flatbushwhacker at January 31, 2008 11:21 AM

10:34:

The Harvard reference is appropriate here: Harvard's moving across a river; NYU is planning to do the same.

And you're missing the point about Harvard Square. According to Brownstoner's readership survey, lots of its bloggers (or rather, complainants) make $100K+ and are well-educated. Sometimes they deserve to be tweaked.

U. Designer

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 11:23 AM

Brownstoner readers are the most closed-minded people I have ever encountered.

And I've been to Alabama.

I agree with you completely...10:57...It almost boggles the mind how people could be against one of the most sought after universities in the country wanting to open up shop in the deserted wasteland known as downtown Brooklyn.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 11:25 AM

This will make downtown more active at night, which is a good thing. Welcome NYU!

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 11:38 AM

I agree that it boggles the mind that anyone would prefer the legions of condo towers slated for development along the Flatbush corridor, which are bound to fail in this market and turn into crappy rentals without any decent services, to a nice educational hub.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 11:46 AM

Poly's been around since the 1800's and was actually originally a part of NYU. It gained independence sometime back and the current merger now is only due to financial problems. As a poly graduate I can say most of us are pretty unhappy about it.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 11:56 AM

By the way - bumping into people on harvard square isn't necessarily a secret boast about attending harvard - there are twenty million universities and colleges in Boston. (I didn't write the original comment BTW)

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 12:09 PM

Given the quality of posts on this blog, I think it's more likely we've bumped into each other buying pot in Washington Square than bumping into each other Harvard Square.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 12:38 PM

Uhh 11:56 I'm a Poly Grad and every grad and current student I know is for the merger.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 1:13 PM

NYU buys Brownstoner bloggers don't! Welcome.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 1:22 PM

1:22: Huh?

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 1:25 PM

makes sense

Posted by: BrooklynLove at January 31, 2008 2:02 PM

This is welcome news for the neighborhood -- I personally think a downtown location makes more sense that pressuring the Village; Poly is already here, downtown real estate has lots of opportunities for NYU, and it will only strengthen the area. Welcome NYU!

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 2:17 PM

for those harping on diversity, NYU turned a very diverse neighborhood into a homogenized, mostly tourist (err, i mean midwestern transplant) area.

and have you seen the garbage that NYU has been building lately? Thier latest residence hall makes the Novo look pretty.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 2:22 PM

The point about diversity is that downtown is not diverse at all right now. NYU will make it so. Good all around in my opinion.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 3:52 PM

What, NYU is not content with taking evey last inch of the Village, they now need to take B'klyn too. I'm sure they want to overun anywhere that is historic.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 4:35 PM

NYU students will have better bikes and iPods than me, so I'm cool with it. The stick-up kids from the Farragut Houses go for quality.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 5:35 PM

If you're buying your "pot" in Washington Square, *you* definitely didn't go to Harvard...

It's fantastic news that NYU might make a major play in downtown Brooklyn. As noted above, though, let's hope they start spending a few pennies on good architecture. Their buildings in the East Village--one of which I lived in for a while in grad school--are fugly.

Posted by: Rehab at January 31, 2008 10:21 PM

this is great for the boro. how can a brooklynite think otherwise?

Posted by: BrooklynLove at January 31, 2008 10:59 PM

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