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January 3, 2008
Lottery for 420 Classon Avenue Kicks Off
The Pratt Area Community Council announced this morning that applications for the lottery for the 12 affordable condominium units it's developing at 420 Classon Avenue in Clinton Hill are now being accepted. Christened The Hawthorne, the development is a combination of three beautiful but formerly dilapidated turn-of-the-century houses. Here are the details: Four one-bedroom priced between $185,000 and $211,000 are available for households earning up to $73,700; four two-bedrooms priced from $258,000 to $270,000 are available for households earning up to $92,200; four two-bedrooms priced from $374,000 to $424,000 are available for households earning up to $116,900. There are three ways to get an application: 1) Pick one up in person at the PACC offices at 201 Dekalb Avenue or 1224 Bedford Avenue; 2) Download one from prattarea.org; 3) Send a SASE 41-cent business-sized envelope to PACC, Attn: The Hawthorne Condos, 1224 Bedford Avenue, Brooklyn, NY, 11216. But you better get on the stick: The application deadline is January 18. Project completion is targeted for May.
Development Watch: Windows for 420 Classon Avenue [Brownstoner]
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I walked by this place the other day and its huge.
I also dont make shit so I fit the bill
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 10:43 AM
Does anyone know if this is only for first time homeowners?
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 10:58 AM
I've been in this neighborhood for a few years now, used to walk by this house and think it was a lost cause. I can't believe how much work they've done to it. The details, which were crumbling and rusting, have all been replaced and restored. It's a great looking building.
Posted by: madison_st at January 3, 2008 11:05 AM
I'm glad that these buildings have been renovated. They are attractive, but had deteriorated, so it's good to see them back in shape.
It's amazing that incomes ranging from $73,700 - 116,9000 are considered affordable. My wife and I (she with a degree from a seven-sisters college and I with a master's degree) would actually qualify for one of the two-bedrooms. It's too bad that we already own, as I might otherwise consider applying.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:15 AM
Interesting...i live right down the street and I was told is was going to be a school. Affordable housing interesting. I just hope that with this crazy market folks and secure mortgages for them.
A ClintonHillLady
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:16 AM
they need to make more apartments for this income range.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:27 AM
This income range is middle class. It's a shame that there aren't more units at this price range. Finally something in the right direction.
All middle class new yorkers are going to be scrambling to get in on this. I know I'm filling out my application tonight.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:33 AM
Its funny how when it R.E this area is called Clinton Hill, but a week ago around the corner it was known as Bed Stuy when two kids where shot..
http://wcbstv.com/local/christmas.eve.murders.2.617596.html
..I'ved lived in this nabe for yrs.. I love the change just hate the ignorance
Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie1 at January 3, 2008 11:33 AM
Actually it is on the border. Classon divides Clinton Hill (west side of street) from Bed Stuy (east side of street)
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:36 AM
Well technically these kids were shot on Lefferts East of Classon...
Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie1 at January 3, 2008 11:47 AM
Congrats and thanks to PACC on this one. Beautiful job! Would that more developers would rescue beautiful buildings like this. And those prices--oy!
How does the lottery work?
Posted by: Rehab at January 3, 2008 11:47 AM
this is on the clinton hill side of classon.
the other side of the street is bed stuy.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:50 AM
I have seen other recent renovations by PACC, the quality of work is solid. Everyone should encourage other local organizations to conduct similar programs with criteria like this to promote growth in a neighborhood. This is all positive.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:51 AM
How the lottery works?
From the NYC HPD website:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/hpd/html/buyers/faqs-for-homebuyers.shtml#Howdoesthelottery
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:57 AM
"I love the change just hate the ignorance"
wow...hate is a pretty strong word for a boundary description.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:58 AM
I thought the border for Clinton hill and Bed Stuy was extended to Bedford Ave a few years back? I have to research that.
A ClintonHillLady
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 11:58 AM
YES 11:51 we need more of this type of project in this area between Clinton Hill and Bedford. The gray zone between the the two areas can get kind of strange looking... SO more of this and more TREES PLEASE!!!!
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 12:00 PM
Who cares what a area is called... That what hurts us when buying into the hype of living in a "name brand" area... How about this it is a great place in Brooklyn near Pratt...
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 12:07 PM
11 new trees were planted in the last month on quincy between classon and downing. some by the city and others by the other pacc development on quincy.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 12:11 PM
new names of this area:
Bedford Hills
Bedford Corners (really an old name)
Clinton Hill East
West Bedford
Clintonburg
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 12:12 PM
more of these opaque lotteries where your application vanishes into a black hole and there is no assurance winners were picked randomly and not passed on to friends of the staff conducting the lottery.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 12:18 PM
Who cares what it's called, I want in at these prices. It's cheaper than Crown heights (where I was looking).
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 12:21 PM
ClintonHillLady might be right...but however some R.E companies push the Clinton Hill border out to Nostrand..
11:58- You might understand if you were a first hand eye witness to the affects
Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie1 at January 3, 2008 12:21 PM
its funny if you read the old bio of rappers like B.I.G. and Little Kim they all came from Bed-stuy... But there flats where all on St James place....
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 12:41 PM
Well, since we're not going to talk about the project, I'll through my own neighborhood-name story up here. Picked up a hitchhiker upstate, learned he was originally from Greenpoint, told him I lived in Williamsburg and asked where exactly...he told me North 8th Street. Historically, the Northside has always, ALWAYS, been part of Williamsburg. But as my rider points out, there was a time in the 70s when white=Greenpoint and Williamsburg=black/latino/Hasidic. It's all highly subjective.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 12:58 PM
12:41...LOl I thought I was the only one who took notice to that.
A ClintonHillLady
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 3:02 PM
To 12:18:
I am the beneficiary of a PACC lottery, it works, it is wonderful program.
You do bring up a great point that programs like this need to be expanded so more people benefit. Get active locally and these programs will expand and thrive.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 3:05 PM
I think alot of these lotteries go to the highest bidder under the table - The way it should work.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 3:32 PM
Lotteries do work. I am proof. Especially if you live in the community board where the apt/house is located. Community board members get 50% of the units. 5% go to Municipal employees, another 5% to Uniformed Officers (Cops) and sometimes 5% is reserved for the Disabled. That leaves 35% for the rest of the pop.
I have beebn lucky enough to win 3 lotteries in the last 10years. 2 for apts, and the last for a 2 family house. :-)
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 5:28 PM
As a first time home buyer, I won a lottery for affordable housing and so can attest that these programs really do make a difference for people who earn the median income and can't afford current housing prices. I doubt that there are under-the-table deals.
In addition, these lotteries have much better odds than mega millions! Not a lot of people enter them. Everyone who fits the bill should enter.
Posted by: guest at January 3, 2008 6:59 PM
I am not sure if 5:28 is joking or not. If s/he is serious, then it seems more proof that lotteries don't work - I thought they were supposed to be for first time home-buyers?
I went to the PACC link and couldn't find anything about this lottery or how to download the application. Okay let me put on my hardhat for all the "can't you even read" responses. I wanted to know because even though I don't believe I am eligible (as I own a house), I wanted to forward info to friends and co-workers.
Posted by: Putnamdenizen at January 3, 2008 7:11 PM
I've applied for every lottery I've qualified for in multiple boroughs over the last seven years - at least eight lotteries - and I've never even received as much as a postcard letting me know that my application was thrown in the hopper.
I can't believe that the odds are that good. My husband is a teacher so we qualify for one of the special 5% and still nada.
Putnamdenizen, the link to the app is on the bottom of the PACC home page.
Posted by: nosleeptil at January 3, 2008 7:30 PM
To 7:11pm & 7:30pm, this is 5:28 speaking. Like i said 2 were for apartments, this last one is for a house/home (which makes me a first time home owner)and I have applied for way more than 8, and I too haven't gotten a single postcard from any of the ones I did not win. They state on the application that you will not be contacted if your applicaton is not chosen.
My suggestion to you is to check out NYC.Gov frequent, and apply, apply, apply......
Eight times is not going to cut it. I have applied for dozens in my years. Trust me it is no "joke"
Posted by: guest at January 4, 2008 12:24 AM
I won one of these lotteries. It was the first and only one to which I applied.
I also find it strange that 5:28 won several lotteries. I thought that first-time homeowner meant first-time apartment/co-op/condo/house owner too.
That being said, I agree that people should keep an eye out on nyc.gov and on local newspapers. These lotteries are great for people who are middle and moderate income. There aren't as many for low income New Yorkers, but there are some.
Posted by: guest at January 4, 2008 11:15 AM
There should be some sort of limit to the number of lotteries a person can win to allow more people benefit from the program.
For pete's sake, even z100 and WNYC won't let you claim more than one prize within a certain number of months.
Just like every other NYC agency-run program, this one is obviously a little dirty.
Posted by: guest at January 4, 2008 3:10 PM
I just downloaded the application and read the fine print for anyone who wants to know:
those apartments are mostly for 2, 3 and 4-person households (depending on which apartment it is), and the income cap includes assets like 401K and savings. So, to get the cheapest apartment ($185,000 for a 2-person household) each person must make less than $30,000/yr and basically have no savings, retirement fund, or other investments (just a quick estimate).
I don't understand how anyone in NYC is able to afford to buy a home! My salary/investments amount to just a little more than the income cap so i don't qualify, but even though i technically "make too much money", i still can't afford to buy a home (or anything else for that matter).
We're all doomed to rent forever.
Posted by: guest at January 9, 2008 7:33 PM
Does anyone know when they're planning to select people from the lottery?
How long does it take for them to get through their list?
Do you find out if you're not selected?
Does anyone have experience with the Pratt Area Community Council lotteries?
Posted by: guest at January 22, 2008 9:31 AM
As a PACC employee I will say that the names for the Hawthorne Lottery will be drawn VERY, VERY soon.
Posted by: Michelle Etwaroo at January 28, 2008 3:06 PM
I'm anxiously awaiting if I'll hear anything! Do you know a date by which if I haven't heard anything I should assume I'm not picked? Good luck to all who applied!
Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 4:04 PM
Me too...I'm also eagerly awaiting!
I hope PACC at least lets us know what number we are.
Good luck!
Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 11:47 PM
4:04 which tier did you apply for? I applied for C
Posted by: guest at February 1, 2008 11:38 AM
This is 4:04 I applied for a 1BR (Tier A?)
Posted by: guest at February 1, 2008 12:22 PM
Still no updates? Anyone know anything?
Posted by: guest at February 4, 2008 5:33 PM
I haven't heard anything yet either.
Posted by: guest at February 5, 2008 4:34 PM
No response yet here, my wife and i are so anxious.....
Posted by: guest at February 5, 2008 8:23 PM
Michelle from PACC: Do you know if the lottery has been drawn?
Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 12:32 PM
Anybody know anything?
Brownstoner- Can you contact Pratt Area Community Council? find out for us!
Posted by: guest at February 11, 2008 12:22 PM
Should I give up all hope I havent heard by now?
Posted by: guest at February 17, 2008 12:21 PM
i called and spoke to the receptionist. she said that they are just starting to input everything into the system. I don't think they've drawn for the lottery or called people in. I asked her when that would happen and she said she didn't know.
I looked back on the old posts here--and it seems like it took them 6 months.
Posted by: guest at February 20, 2008 1:35 PM
Thanks for sharing with us!
Posted by: guest at February 21, 2008 4:21 PM
I actually called PACC today and they said the first batch of letters has been sent out, but no one has been selected.
Hope that helps.
Posted by: guest at March 13, 2008 9:43 PM
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