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January 15, 2008
House of the Day: 40 2nd Place
Optimism knows no bounds in Carroll Gardens. Already in this young year we've chronicled two listings that have come out of the box at over $3 million. (One of them, 78 3rd Place appears to have been yanked reduced to $2,950,000 in the wake of 250+ comments mocking the ridiculousness of asking $3,495,000 for the 3,100-square-foot pad.) Today's house of the day at 40 2nd Place is slightly less ambitious at $2,800,000. Still, at less than 16 feet wide and sporting a renovation that feels too "new" looking in that suburban kind of way, we're not holding our breath about this one getting anywhere close to ask either. For what it's worth, the 2,300-square-foot house last sold in 2004 for $1,700,000.
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Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:27 PM
why do people insist on trying to squeeze 2 bedrooms side-by-side in narrower buildings? those bedrooms on the top floor are ridiculous.
Posted by: z at January 15, 2008 1:27 PM
Still too much, even if it were wider than 16 feet. My house is a 16-footer...and I couldn't bring myself to ask $2.8 if I wanted to. But then again, they say there's one born every minute....
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:27 PM
I saw James Cornell have a meltdwon in an Corcoran office, sceaming at another broker.
Not a pretty sight
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:30 PM
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. $2.8 for a 16 footer (which looks even less) in Carroll Gardens???? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:31 PM
It is 15.83x48 according to Property Shark. That makes it $941/sqft. In Caroll Gardens? Are the sellers insane? Maybe friends of brokers just list their places temporarily for prices that are way too ridiculous to keep prices inflated? It's too bizarre.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:33 PM
It's like a broker cartel. Except that it's not going to work, ever.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:35 PM
I'm just curious...
If all these overpriced properties had popped up in Park Slope, there would already be 100 comments on how greedy, liberal, and neurotic the sellers are, but because this is less than a mile to the west, it's a non issue.
Why is that?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:39 PM
price is insane, but I love the facade/colors on this place.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:40 PM
The 1.7M paid in 2004 was way too much for such a narrow house that needed work (I am presuming). Hope the seller did not put too much into renovations as that puppy is not selling for more than 1.8M.
Posted by: crouchback 2 at January 15, 2008 1:41 PM
"If all these overpriced properties had popped up in Park Slope, there would already be 100 comments on how greedy, liberal, and neurotic the sellers are, but because this is less than a mile to the west, it's a non issue."
Here we go--a troll trying to ignite the whole Park Slope crap again.
I disagree with you. Every time an overpriced piece of shit pops up in Park Slope, it's trashed as well. Just check previous HOTDs and you'll see. And personally, I can't wait for some of the newer Slope listings to be featured--the prices are ridiculous and insulting for what the houses are. So give it up, really.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:43 PM
It looks soooooo narrow in that picture.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:43 PM
Wow that's narrow. But it's very nicely finished. I love the green doorframe in front. Unfortunately that would probably not be allowed on our landmarked block, even though there's no way to tell from B&W photos exactly WHAT color people painted their doors and doorframes in the early 20th century. I bet anything the colorful doorframes were quite common then. Especially after the Edwardian era, when the dark woodstains of the Victorian era went completely out of fashion. If you look at print ads from the 1910's houses are very colorful.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:44 PM
So anytime Park Slope is mentioned, it's a troll?
Hmmmm...
Good to know.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:46 PM
1:43...
I see almost nothing listed in Park Slope. I've been looking around for months now and inventory in PS is the lowest I've ever seen it.
Care to direct me towards some of these sitting overpriced properties?
Perhaps they'd take a lowball offer...
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:48 PM
1:48--you haven't been looking then. There are properties in Park Slope that have been sitting. And if you've really been looking, which I don't believe, you know which ones they are. And I was referring to the NEW ones coming on the market now, totally overpriced. I'm sure they'll be featured soon.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:51 PM
78 Third Place has already been re-priced at $2.95M - 15% haircut in less than a week - ouch!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:51 PM
ok lets gets this over with in Park Slope, better in Park Slope, Not like Park Slope, Prime Park Slope, better schools Park Slope, Park Slope Park Slope, we hate any other area but Park Slope, Park Slope is better than , MILF Park Slope....Park Slope, Park Slope,Park Slope,Park Slope blah, blah, blah,
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:52 PM
bizarre price. . . they must think 16 feet is the new 20
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:53 PM
This is a nice house.
I actually like the narrower houses with the stair in the center, they are a nice size for a single family. I think the interiors look great, I don't get the too-new comment.
One has to expect to pay a premium for perfect move-in condition. No tenants, no waiting for contractors, just buy it and move the kids and yourself in.
The price is high though. I would say that 3.1 will be closer to the figure it will go for. But it will sell. It's a great house in a great area in move-in condition. There is not a lot to chose from right now.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:54 PM
This is a lovely house.. I think that they should target this home only to rich people in Manhattan who will think this is a deal...
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:57 PM
Jesus H. Christ, 1:54. Lower your expectations. You're not getting anywhere near asking, let alone the outrageous figure you just pulled out of your arse.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:57 PM
The price is waaaaay outta line, but I have to say that I like the house, overall. Curious as to why there are no pics of the bath(s) and bedrooms.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 1:58 PM
Hey broker or seller at 1:57 (and 1:54)--I'm a rich person in Manhattan, and I don't think this is a deal. I think it's a RIP-OFF. I know the Brooklyn market, I really know my comps, and I know this is an extremely overpriced house.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:01 PM
Lately people have been paying over 2 million for duplexes in Carroll Gardens so why not 2.8 for an entire house. In April 2007, someone paid 2,010,000 for the 4th and 5th floor duplex at 100 2nd place, no elevator. A recent condo of the day, 378 Clinton Street, also sold the 4th and 5th floor duplex for 2.1. Granted that these houses are 25x50, but I would think most people would want an entire house. Last April, 86A 3rd place sold for 1.8. It is 13x40 and makes 40 2nd place feels like a mansion in comparison. (I have been in both).
Posted by: carroll2stones at January 15, 2008 2:03 PM
Actually, green IS an acceptable color for Landmarks...except a few shades darker than this house, more like a deep forest green. Acceptable "Landmark" colors for doors & exterior trim are black, brown, or dark green.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:05 PM
1:54 here
I just wish this was my house.
Alas it is not, although I'm still allowed to like it.
I have been in many 2-bay wide houses like this one in CG and in CH, they are beautiful and comfortable. Of course the prices are nuts but that's old news.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:05 PM
I would concur that this is optimistic pricing but rather than just through out numbers - check some comps.
241 Sackett sold for $2m and that was 13.5' wide - so don't stick your noses so high in the air - you could trip on your own smugness. This is primo block and wider.
(and to the one who finds it a mystery why people insist 2 bedrooms side by side in narrow house - Did it ever occur to you that may be the orig design ?)
It does look like great move-in condition with original or reconstucted detail.
I would guess $2.5 tops but perhaps more like $2.3.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:05 PM
Agonized confession: I almost bought this house a few years ago, losing out to the current seller. There was something a wee bit Carmela Soprano about the renovation, and the BQE is a audible hum in your backyard; though I will say, the narrowness is a near-non issue inside the structure, thanks to layout, flow, feng shue, whatever the prevailing cliche is. It's a sweet, sweet house, but in the end I thought it was overpriced...at 1.7. How you travel from there to this current asking price, via an impending real estate meltdown (and please, not again with the foreign buyers --this is a chimera) --woof, makes no sense. In Carroll Gardens, you'll notice, inventory is starting to grow, as some mortgages are no doubt starting to re-set. Prepare ye the way of a downside bloodbath.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:06 PM
Although this place still seems a bit expensive , a center stair (although it doesn't look like one in the photo) makes a huge difference--you end up with rooms that are better proportioned than a 20-ft brownstone with a side stair.
It would behoove the agents to include a floorplan on this one.
The reno looks nice---if it's this good in person, I'm sure they will get some interest.
Posted by: tinarina at January 15, 2008 2:07 PM
$2.2 TOPS.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:10 PM
The agents are behooved because they did include. Just need to click where it say 'Floorplan' and you can see it.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:11 PM
Corcoran floorplans don't open on Firefox--you have to use Explorer. It would "behoove" Corcoran's web people to fix that glitch.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:13 PM
There is not enough room for a center stair in a 16-footer. I don't see it in the photos. It's physically awkward and the result would be wasted valuable space on either side of the stair.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:14 PM
FireFox is for communists
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:15 PM
IF and only if bathrooms and rest of house are up to par with what's shown in the pictures, then I'd say $2.3 max.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:16 PM
Wow - the brokers are out in full force on this thread!! I haven't seen this much pumping since Brokeback Mountain.
Brokers - do yourselves a favor - if the market's this hot [laughtrack], try selling the stuff that's already been sitting on the market for months at lower $$/sf.
Or... rush off to Europe in search of dumb money.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:19 PM
Where is The What to put this loony listing in perspective?
As I chuckle and scan the rentals, I concur with 2:06 ... or to paraphrase TW, Someday this war is gonna START.
Late summer sounds about right. Reality will sink in after a flat spring selling season, despite Berwanky's desperate money-printing.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:21 PM
2:06-you say that inventory is starting to grow. Corcoran lists 3 brownstones in all of carroll/cobble and brown harris lists 2. I would hardly call this a glut. I think prices are crazy but don't argue that inventory is high.
Posted by: carroll2stones at January 15, 2008 2:22 PM
It still seems to have some of the original details with a more updated look around them. Hardly suburban or charmless. I can see the argument about the price but I don't see how we can fault the owners for doing too "new" of a renovation. It looks fitting to me.
Posted by: Mrs. Limestone at January 15, 2008 2:22 PM
Firefox does have trouble with the corco floorplans. If you click on the print option, then cancel the print job, you can look at the floor plan on the print preview window that pops up without actually printing. Did that runon make sense? try it. it works even if my grammar doesn't.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:24 PM
that was an intelligent comment, 2:19.
inventory in nyc is at historic lows.
i love how you claim all the many things sitting and not selling.
in a "normal" market HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of properties sit on the market waiting for the right buyer.
you are so shortsighted though and think the last real estate bubble would continue on for eternity and think that if something doesn't sell in a week for 300K over ask, the world is coming to an end.
you are the real problem, not the brokers.
brokers just want to move properties in a slow market. not scrape out every penny and watch properties sit (especially when their commission difference is totally negligible on a 2.3 vs. 2.5 million dollar property).
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:24 PM
The What is probably too busy withdrawing all his cash from Citibank before they become insolvent
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:31 PM
If brokers really wanted to move properties, they'd advise the sellers on a realistic selling price instead of promising them gold just to get the listing.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:31 PM
2:24 - so transparent.
You don't recognize that (1) people believe these properties are way overpriced, (2) prices have already been softening all over the city (don't just take my word for it - check out the rate of price cuts on streeteasy yourself. It will blow your little-pea-sized mind and (3) reality is setting in for everyone in NYC that the game is over. You read the papers? You read at all?
BTW there are 14 houses listed on streeteasy in CH/CG.
So get over yourself, 2:24. Look, I understand that being a broker may be a bit tricky these days. If I see you in the breadline, I'll toss you a pizza crust.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:31 PM
No one else noticed that there are ONLY 2 bathrooms in this house.
Mommy and Daddy will have to share the bathroom with the kiddies or guests and while they're in the hall waiting for the bathroom to free up, they can ask themselves why did we pay so much for this house.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:32 PM
Wow!! A true sign of the turning market is the sheer increase in broker activity on this board in the last few months. They're getting so desperate, they don't even bother to camouflage their comments.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:36 PM
So many David Nizers on this thread, and all over Brownstoner, actually.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:36 PM
Folks let's put it this way The School PS 58 is wonderful with a great principal. The block does not get much better . Tell me a better block? maybe in the heights , this is well within reach with there price. Henry street Clinton street and the place blocks are just perfect.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:45 PM
^relevance? It can be Shangri-La for all I care. That doesn't mean I'll blow ANY arbitrary amount of dough on a narrow place.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:48 PM
2:45 - methinks the broker doth protest too much.
Pumpity Pump Pump!!!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:52 PM
The crazy thing is there is a house down the block (corner of 2nd and Clinton) selling at 1.8 - and it is a TOTAL GUT. I mean, on the plus that one has 2-car garage and has FAR, i don't see how one can make a killing on a narrow house as an investment property. Is #40 really worth a million bucks more than its shabby neighbor?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:53 PM
Read the listing 2:32. There are 2 full bathrooms and 1 half bathroom. The half bath is on the 1st floor where the living room, kitchen and dining room is. No bath on the parlor floor: which is pretty typical, and a full bath on each floor with bedrooms. No need to share a bath with the kiddies. hibuh
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 2:55 PM
I Think Mr. Brownstoner needs to go to carroll Gardens a little more often. Ummmm Hello this is the safest nabe besides Brooklyn heights in Brooklyn. UMMM no there is no inventory glut, there is nothing for sale. I can not believe you people don't get it how close to manhattan Carroll Gardens is 3 stops. 24 min to midtown what more do you want? and yes the school is a top notch ps58. If you guys think you can find better than go buy in Clinton Hill.
Posted by: ronman at January 15, 2008 3:00 PM
guest at January 15, 2008 2:32 PM wrote:
"No one else noticed that there are ONLY 2 bathrooms in this house."
More than enough for anything but a family of incontinent obsessive-compulsives, I'd say.
Posted by: johnife at January 15, 2008 3:01 PM
Not saying anything bad here about Park slope but this little Area called carroll Gardens is really really nice. The streets houses Locations to manhattan and people are what make This top notch. As far as the House goes very nice i must say, i do not think they are far off in there asking price at all.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:08 PM
House is beautiful i wish i could afford it.I think it will get asking. Whoever is saying the interior is not up to par is a not very bright i would love to see the inside of there house.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:11 PM
3:08 = 3:11
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:13 PM
Ronman, at ps58 will they teach your kids the difference between "than" and "then"?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:13 PM
As the above "^relevance" poster so eloquently pointed out: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Carroll Gardens is great (as is Clinton Hill, Mr. Ronman, thanks), and yeah, there's not a lot of inventory, and yes, the house is beautiful, albeit only 15.83' wide--whatever. $2.8 is really aggressive.
By the end of the day there will probably be 250 comments mocking this listing, too.
Peeps, it is a badddddd idea to ridiculously overprice your property. When will ya learn? It will sit on the market for ages, people will begin to think there's something wrong with it, people will hurt your tender feelings on Brownstoner, and you'll sell it a year later for the price you should have asked to begin with--all the while paying carrying costs and not living where you want/need to live. Grow a brain.
Posted by: Rehab at January 15, 2008 3:16 PM
Agree with 1:54 - it'll sell, even if at a lower price. The parlor floor seems really open with the open floor plan with the side stairway; people like move-in condition; and even though the reno is a bit Carmela Soprano as another posted noted, while it may not be my taste, some people will like it, and it IS in Carroll Gardens, so it will appeal to a bunch of folks who like the old Italian-ness of the 'hood.
And the narrow brownstone original bedrooms are very useful if they are at least 6-7 feet wide - for studies, home offices, small children's roooms, guest rooms, sewing/crafts rooms - if they have a big window and high ceilings, they can be really nice rooms (I had two of 'em in my last apartment, study and guest room, and I loved 'em both - really sweet rooms, as long as you aren't sleeping in them every night.)
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:21 PM
Thanks for the ref to Streeteasy. Proof that very little for sale in CarGard/CobHill.
Many of those on streeteasy were actually condos. Only a few in 1.8 to 3M range.
One on Kane - looks very nice for $1.975 is 14' ft wide I think and 1 less story and next to the temple. This lising is overpriced - but still not so much as you people might think.
Anything else under $2 is a mess or very fringe for the neighborhood.
This looks move=in and primo block.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:27 PM
did brownstoner speak to the agents and find out if the price was lowered because of the comments?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:29 PM
This house is SOOOO overpriced. No matter what justifications are used, and no matter how nice the neighborhood is, it is OVERPRICED. Good luck with this one owners and brokers!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:30 PM
There are appsoximately ZERO quality listings on the market in Brownstone Brooklyn.
That is why these prices are high.
They can get them because there are more people out looking than there are places to buy.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:31 PM
3:31--BULLSHIT! who says they can get them? Let's wait and see if they do.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:33 PM
Sorry, but I'm pretty sure the house has had no work done since it sold for 1.7 million. It was in same condition. I can't believe owners think they will get over $1 million profit in 4 years.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:33 PM
I got over 1 million profit on my house sale in 3 years, 3:33.
In Park Slope.
Just sold the place last month.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:35 PM
14 houses listed on street easy in CG/CH does not sound like a glut of inventory.
House is over priced but think 2.3m is realistic since it is a great block and is in move in condition.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:38 PM
I really hate that when anyone says anything nice about any listing posted on Brownstoner, some bozo accuses them of being a broker. Really annoying and used in place of coherent argument. (and this is my first post here today so I am not being defensive and I do think this house is overpriced, but far less soprano-y than so many other places that brownstoner seems to think are nice - i.e., all the generic condos with their ridiculous "bosch" appliances - THAT is soprano-y in my opinion)
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:39 PM
So much nonesense on this thread.
Carroll Gardens is a top neighborhood, this
is a top block within Carroll Gardens. Good schools, zero crime, good shopping, plus this is a beautiful house in great move-in condition. There is almost no inventory in this area. The market in CG is nowhere close to a meltdown and those old-time Italian families are not likely to foreclose any time soon. This is not like one of those sketchy areas that are so often featured on this blog.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:40 PM
3:35 - wow. you must be very happy. Where are you moving to?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:41 PM
^ doubt is was 16' wide.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:41 PM
I stayed in Park Slope, 3:41.
Love Caroll Gardens, but Park Slope is home to me.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:43 PM
Carroll Gardens is THE BEST neighborhood in Brooklyn--yes, yes, yes. How many times do you have to say the same thing in one thread? I don't care if it's the freaking most awesome place on Earth, $2.8 for this narrow and otherwise unremarkable home is HIGH, HIGH, HIGH.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:45 PM
3:31, you're one of those deluded people who confuse ASKING price with SELLING price.
They are ASKING that price because they think we're still living in 2006. It is a fact that comparable houses are not SELLING for this amount as the past year has gone on, so that can't be their justification for asking.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:45 PM
Corcoran also has a new listing for a house on President St. between Hoyt and Smith - no pictures yet. Asking 3.6 million. I think it might be directly across from the Gowanus Yacht Club and I only say that because I noticed an Elliman sign. Ridiculous.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:45 PM
Hey, I live in CG, send my kids to 58 and own a brownstone already. But I still think these houses are overpriced. This one doesn't have central air, has a kitchen on ground floor instead of parlor floor (fine, but I prefer the other layout), and while the narrowness doesn't affect the layout at all, it does mean that the back yard/garden is that much smaller.
It's a charming home, but it takes a certain very wealthy buyer to want to pay nearly $3 million for it. Maybe one will come along, but there aren't any comps to justify this price for a narrow home.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:45 PM
I agree 100% with 3:40 foreclosures you guys are not very good investers just a bunch of yappers
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:46 PM
Ronman, why do you think Brooklyn Heights is the safest neighborhood in the borough? Most expensive, probably, but I don't think the police stats bear out your theory.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:47 PM
230 Degraw Street sold for $3.4 million. Granted, this is closer to Cobble Hill, but not as nice of a block and although larger, arguably not as nice of a house.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:49 PM
What every person on this site keeps failing to realize is how good the area and Blocks are. If you are not going to pay this price for this home then you need to go to manhattan because Brooklyn is not for you. Otherwise shut up about price. I dont even own in this fine nabe but i know how good this area is. If you do not know then shut up.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:49 PM
3:45 pm...If the house on President between Smith & Hoyt is the one across from Gowanus Yacht Club, I bet that's a (or the) major reason why the house is up for sale...the second time in as many years. The previous owner sold it because they couldn't stand the noise and commotion coming from the GYC late at night in warmer weather. Probably the same reason for the current sale.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:55 PM
I think my wife and I saw this house, or perhaps one if its neighbors about 10 years ago. It was on the market for $600k. For the most part, it was untouched, but had good bones and new electronicals.
At the time, we couldn't afford it, or we woudl have jumped on it.
Also, don't be alarmed by the narrow width of this house, its HUGE. It has very niced sized rooms on each floor because of the central staicase. And the block is really pretty too!
I can't believe what this is going for now. If I would have known....
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:56 PM
I love that someone says this block has zero crime.
No such thing....
And makes all your other arguements even more absurd.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:58 PM
Money isn't what it used to be.
Take a look at salaries for
attornies or financial managers.
Sotheby's has a little tea table
for auction expected to fetch seven million dollars.
7 mil for a tea table.
You are telling me that a nice house in Carrol Gardens is not worth half a tea table?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 3:58 PM
You are right Brooklyn Heights is probably not as safe as Cobble Hill Carroll Gardens. But overall the 3 of them are Very safe. My bad.
Posted by: ronman at January 15, 2008 4:00 PM
Guest 3:58 i agree with you, the people on this board keep complaining about prices, but nobody is complaining about a stupid Painting by Picasso going for $200 million are they?
Posted by: ronman at January 15, 2008 4:01 PM
Carroll Gardesn is the safest of the safe, as long as you are of the Caucasian persuasion.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:03 PM
No one complains when a (mediocre) baseball player makes the amount of this house throwing a ball in a few games.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:04 PM
I have a friend in the fine arts business who said that a million was the new ten grand.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:08 PM
4:01 - because this is a real estate board. Not a lot of discussions about the art/furniture markets.
Ronman, are you an idiot?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:10 PM
There are plenty of mixed couples in the area of Carroll Gardens and Cobble Hill.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:10 PM
4:03 that is completely not true. Granted, Carroll Gardens is predominantly white, but I see people of all races in Carroll Gardens and it is equally safe for everyone. I can't believe I am even responding to your stupid post, but spreading bad information like that is not what this blog should be about.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:11 PM
4:03...
The primary reason Caroll Gardens is safe is because there is still a very large holdout of mob involved families in the neighborhood.
Anyone who's lived in NYC for more than 2 seconds knows that.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:11 PM
3:58
When someone says "zero crime" it is an expression which means "as low as you can get in the city". It does not literally mean that there has never been a crime committed in Carroll Gardens. You sound like a dope.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:12 PM
"You sound like a dope"
And you sound like the broker. In fact, I'm almost sure of it.
So what was your point?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:13 PM
"When someone says "zero crime" it is an expression which means "as low as you can get in the city". It does not literally mean that there has never been a crime committed in Carroll Gardens."
What friggen language are you speaking because zero crime means only one thing and that is that there is no crime. Now, I doubt that is actually true, but that is what it means.
So the dope is you my friend.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:19 PM
Gonna have to agree with you on that one, 4:19.
Zero crime means zero crime.
Caroll Gardens has low crime. That is the expression a NORMAL human being would use.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:24 PM
No i am not an idiot your are. What i was simply saying is many people on this site have no concept of the dollar.
Posted by: ronman at January 15, 2008 4:28 PM
"No i am not an idiot your are"
uhhhhhhhhhhhh
did i accidentally hit chinese translation on my browser?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:31 PM
Because this house is only about 2/3 the size of a real house, do you think you get a break on the protection money you have to pay your new neighbors?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:31 PM
Ha! I'm glad food can't be tossed over the web.
"you're a dope, no you're the dope, yeah, well you're the dope of dopes"
Now boys and girls....
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 4:35 PM
3:55 PM - the one with the sign is 304 but I can't find it on the Elliman site. I think one next door or two doors down sold around the same time as 304. Or it could be one of the little houses which recently underwent a looonnnngggg renovation. I guess we will find out whether prices have spiked almost 2 million dollars in two years.
4:11 you are right - people watch what is going down. You might not know them but they know you. It's a good thing and they will watch for your kids.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:03 PM
Why does 2.8 seem out of whack for a lovely brownstone in an excellent location?
We see houses on this board for 1.5 and over with old rental tenants that no one will be able to dislodge. We also see houses that have been broken up into small units that would take a lot of time, effort and money to bring back to single family condition. This is good to go. Just move in. It looks like it doesn't even need a paint job. The rear yard looks very nice and I like that angled wall in the front reception room that connects it spatially with the central hall. Nice. What's everybody in a tizz about?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:08 PM
To the morons who started bring up tea tables or paintings, shut up already. One has nothing to do with the other. We're talking houses, and based on comps this house is OVERPRICED. Anyone defending this price obviously has a vested interest in the property. Duh.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:13 PM
"spreading bad information like that is not what this blog should be about."
Um, have you been reading this blog for say, the last two YEARS??
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:14 PM
Anyone following the market in Brooklyn and its different neighborhoods can see that the asking price for this house is extremely high and unrealistic.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:18 PM
5:03, I'm 3:55...You're right. It occurred to me after I made my post that it could also be the smaller, three-story house on President that did undergo that nearly 2-year long renovation. If that's it, that house was purchased about 2 years ago by the guy who renovated it for 1.15 million. 304 President is not on the Douglas Elliman website, even though the DE placard is in the front yard.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:25 PM
Hey brokers: dust off your passports, you'll have to set up shop overseas to sell at these prices.
Hey people in Ireland: here's a hint - brokers aren't coming over to Ireland to sell NYC real estate because they think you're SMART BUYERS!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:26 PM
There are no comps for good houses selling in Carroll Gardens for 2.5 to 2.8 million?
What are people talking about?
I don't get some of the postings here. They make no sense. To me, this is right within the comps for this area.
Not the comps for Bed Stuy or Crown Heights, but for this area.
Such hostility from certain people to listings south of Flatbush Avenue.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:26 PM
How about that Rothko that sold for 78 million at Sotheby's. Just a some lines of colors on a canvas. Actually, the color palette is quite similar to this 2nd place brownstone. It should get at least 3 million.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:29 PM
15.83 ft wide! 15.83 ft wide! 15.83 ft wide! 15.83 ft wide! 15.83 ft wide! 15.83 ft wide! 15.83 ft wide! 15.83 ft wide! 15.83 ft wide!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:29 PM
Hey 5:29 - I just created a multicolored masterpiece that resembles a Rothko. Hint: I had corn for lunch. $5M and it's yours.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:31 PM
Oh jeeze. here we go again comparing neighborhoods. Bed Stuy and Crown Heights are beautiful neighborhoods and so is Carroll Gardens. They all have selling points. There is no hostility, only love and respect.
Park Slope, on the other hand... well Park Slope is just...oh never mind.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:37 PM
Hey 5:31,
If you take that shit and smear in on a canvas with your fingers, make those corn kernels come to the surface, then lacquer the whole thing, you might be on to something.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:42 PM
5:26:
"There are no comps for good houses selling in Carroll Gardens for 2.5 to 2.8 million?
What are people talking about?
I don't get some of the postings here. They make no sense. To me, this is right within the comps for this area."
Why don't you take a 30 second visit to:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/pdf/08pdf/rolling_sales/neighborhood_sales/brooklyn_sales_prices.pdf
and then report back on all of your 2.5 to 2.8 million "comps"?
These are ACTUAL SALES folks, not pie in the sky listings.
Average and median sales price for single family and two family homes in Carroll Gardens was $1.2-$1.3 million in 2007. The highest price for a single family was $1.8 million.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:45 PM
I saw Maggie Gyllenhaal.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:45 PM
I just saw Abe Vigoda, seriously.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:50 PM
I saw Mr. Pink.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:53 PM
Do the Keebler elves live in this house?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:54 PM
Something interesting to note in the city's sales data is that in 2005 and 2006, while Brooklyn Heights was ably represented at the top of the charts, it was by no means alone - Park Slope was right up there, along with other nabes including even Prospect Heights etc. But in 2007 Brooklyn Heights was the undisputed price leader. And Park Slope was soft. This bears out the recent Corcoran report.
Sorry Park Slope playaz, but in this case I'm a playa hater.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:55 PM
Another thread about an overpriced house listed by Corcoran....YAWN!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:56 PM
Great! Hope Park Slope continues to be "soft" so I can finally buy a brownstone there.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:57 PM
By week's end Corcoran will have had three new and INCREDIBLY overpriced listings in Carroll Gardens. Smacks of a total concerted cartel effort.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 5:58 PM
I heard the old woman who lives in a shoe put in over asking.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:00 PM
Since when is Carroll Gardens the second most expensive neighborhood in Brooklyn? I didn't get THAT memo.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:05 PM
2:55 wrote
Read the listing 2:32. There are 2 full bathrooms and 1 half bathroom. The half bath is on the 1st floor where the living room, kitchen and dining room is. No bath on the parlor floor: which is pretty typical, and a full bath on each floor with bedrooms. No need to share a bath with the kiddies. hibuh
2:55, Broker - Top 2 floors have bedrooms, each floor has at least 2 bedrooms therefore sharing ONE bathroom.
For 2.8 million - one of the larger rooms, which would be used as a master bedroom should have a private bathroom.
For 2.8 million - Mommy and Daddy shouldn't have to share a bathroom with another bedroom.
For 2.8 million - There should be a powder room on the parlor floor.
I could keep going...but what's the use.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:06 PM
If you live in a house this narrow, does that make your ass look bigger?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:09 PM
Or do you spend so much time walking up and down stairs that you lose weight?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:13 PM
6:06 is right. People paying nearly $3 million expect master baths. It's a no-brainer. 2:55 could not come up with a single comp for this price. People see that some house went for alot and decide their home is worth more. Very silly.
I remember when this home sold in 2004 -- people on the block were talking about the fact that there was a bidding war and were shocked at the final price. But I just don't think prices have appreciated that much in 3 years. Perhaps this will go for 2 or so (as crazy as that seems to me), but 2.8 is way beyond what other properties have sold for. And, the exterior isn't even in the greatest shape.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:21 PM
There is nothing to this house---MEH!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:43 PM
So how much is this horribly narrow, unbathroomed, claustophobic, unhip, too modern-renovated, Carmela Soprano reminding dump near the BQE with too many stairs worth?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:44 PM
$1.8 tops
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:44 PM
Here are the comps that have already been listed in this thread of various properties recently sold in Carroll Gardens. Look them up if you do not believe it.
241 Sackett sold for $2m and that was 13.5' wide. This is a street that the bus is on!
230 Degraw Street sold for $3.4 million. Again, not nearly as nice of a block.
In April 2007, someone paid $2,010,000 for the 4th and 5th floor duplex at 100 2nd place, no elevator.
378 Clinton Street, also sold the 4th and 5th floor duplex for $2.1 million
86A 3rd place sold for $1.8. It is 13x40 and makes 40 2nd place feels like a mansion in comparison.
Why are people in Park Slope so threatened by the price that places go for in Carroll Gardens?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:44 PM
6:44
I agree.
there is a double standard at work on this site.
Dumpy POS on streets I have never even heard of, much less set foot on, are greeted warmly and with optimism. Beautiful houses in Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill and especially Carroll Gardens, are dismissed as worthless.
Too stupid.
This is one of the nicest family homes I have seen here in a while. It will get at least 2.5. And it is worth that. I agree that people in other parts of Brooklyn feel insecure and very threatened by the prices in Carroll Gardens and Cobble Hill and the Heights.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:52 PM
I agree with you very much 6:52 something is going on here
Posted by: ronman at January 15, 2008 6:56 PM
6:44--don't opportunistically and arbitrarily throw Park Slope into everything. I don't even live in Brooklyn and I find this place way overpriced. Never in a million years would I throw almost $3 million on a 16" wide unremarkable house, no matter how nice the neighborhood. If I really wanted a narrow house, I'd buy the one on President Street, which is a newly renovated house and $1 million LESS. The only reason people buy narrow houses is because they are supposed to be a value in terms of price.
230 Degraw is NOT A COMP. It was 25" wide, over 5000 sq ft AND and was more than 3000 under FAR. No comparison--probably scooped up for condo conversion. Also, many people consider that Cobble Hill.
The other "comps" you mention are still $1 million less than this place. $1 MILLION LESS!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 6:57 PM
"Dumpy POS on streets I have never even heard of, much less set foot on"
Interesting, because that describes my opinion of Carroll Gardens--never even heard of the majority of these streets. I'm a Manhattan buyer, by the way. The type of buyer you're all looking to cash out from. For almost $3 million, I'd much rather have that house on South Portland that recently sold--5 stories, over 5000 sq ft, dripping with details. I'd never spend that dough on this house.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:00 PM
Maybe Abe Vigoda will buy this joint. With those residuals from Barney Miller re runs he's got to be FLUSH.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:00 PM
"there is a double standard at work on this site."
Nope--no double standard at work. Every HOTD is pretty much received the same way, as most are overpriced. The Slope houses are especially skewered. So stop whining and check the previous HOTDs. I still recall the total trashing that another narrow house in Park Slope received for asking.... $2.195!!! So there you go! Stop crying conspiracy theory. Grow up.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:03 PM
I'm shocked at the intensity with which the brokers and seller are posting on this thread. Shocked.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:05 PM
Listen when the 13 ft. wide sackett street house was the house of the day for 2 million, everyone came on these boards and said that it was ridiculous. And what do you know, it sold.
This place is larger and on a nicer block so should get more. $800,000 more? Probably not. But there have been just as many egregiously overpriced houses in the Slope.
I was not arbitrarily throwing the Slope in. I have learned over time that it is always people from the Slope knocking places in Carroll Gardens, Cobble Hill and Brooklyn Heights.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:12 PM
To this person who claims he is in Manhattan looking to buy in brooklyn, you sure do seem quite intense about your opinions.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:15 PM
"everyone came on these boards and said that it was ridiculous. And what do you know, it sold."
Good for them that it sold. Knocking the prices of listings is standard on this blog--it happens to houses in EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD. Sometimes things sell, sometimes they don't, sometimes prices are reduced, sometimes they're even raised.
"But there have been just as many egregiously overpriced houses in the Slope."
And they are trashed and mocked EVERY SINGLE TIME. Check the archives!! Come on. What's your point? This is really ridiculous. Slope residents coming on the board to knock other neighborhoods? Are you serious? Sounds like an inferiority complex on your part. And no, I don't live in Park Slope.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:19 PM
Holy crap! Take it easy! Your going to have a heart attack. Okay, Okay. All neighborhoods get the same treatment. And I'm not even the one claiming that Carroll Gardens gets picked on.
Do you need to talk about this? Go ahead. Let it out.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:24 PM
"To this person who claims he is in Manhattan looking to buy in brooklyn, you sure do seem quite intense about your opinions."
I am really intense. I'm hot-headed. It's a problem sometimes. I also love conducting thorough research on properties, and I'm not looking to throw my money away. You all think that because Brooklyn is cheaper relative to Manhattan, a Manhattan buyer will pay ANYTHING. That's not the reality.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:25 PM
I suppose there is a natural sort of rivalry between the different brownstone neighborhoods. I appreciate this site's focus on lesser-known areas, at least lesser known to white Brooklynites like myself. It is very gratifying that the Boro, which was always as racially segregated as Johanesburg, is now, slowly, integrating.
Finally, listings like these in Carroll Gardens or Cobble Hill or Brooklyn Heights need no boosting. They will get top-dollar no matter what. But the run-down former boarding house in Clinton Hill or four-family in Bed Stuy is a different matter and I think this site has helped put a spotlight on those types of properties and neighbohoods that until the day before yesteday were considered off-limits to the white middle-class. So I think the trends are great and hopefully we will survive this down-cycle stronger than ever on both sides of Flatbush Avenue, traditionally the racial divider of Old Brooklyn.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:26 PM
You know what... I don't think you should move to Brooklyn. I think you are going to find that your intensity might be a bit much for Brooklyn. At least until we grow up a bit more.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:27 PM
7:24 you're right... I'm off to the gym to work it out!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:28 PM
The recent Park Slope homes that were HOTD on here...Lincoln Place, Berkeley Place all come to mind...these all sold for near asking...close to 3 million. One on Berkeley also sold for 3.4 million.
I don't know of any that were severely overpriced and never sold except maybe one on Montgomery. Not sure the status of that one.
A look at the listings for brownstones for sale in Park Slope with Corcoran and Brown Harris Stevens turns up next to zero listings.
It is SLIM PICKINS out there.
I've got a lead on three Berkeley Place brownstones that were owned by the same guy who just passed away.
Apparently the wife and daughter are trying to unload them for a SONG!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:29 PM
You see this is why I "arbitrarily" bring up Park Slope. Because they are the only neighborhood that does posts like the above.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:33 PM
That's funny because a quick search earlier today came up with quite a few Park Slope listings. Perhaps you are just looking in the wrong places?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:35 PM
I personally don't see a problem with the post, 7:33.
I think you have a complex.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:36 PM
7:29--there are plenty of Park Slope listings that were HOTD and are still on the market. You're talking about 2 prime properties in pristine, renovated condition that were rare. There are many homes still on the market in Park Slope. I know because I am tracking them like a hawk. Do a search on NY TIMES and you'll see them all.
Look carefully at those Berk Place houses you mention--one is an SRO w/ 10 units, and another is 6-family. Um, and why would you even post that info here when it will just drum up competition for you? I would have kept it to myself.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:36 PM
1.8 this year. 1.4 next year.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:38 PM
Clinton Hill really doesn't need any more help than Carroll Gardens etc.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:38 PM
Back to this house--has anyone mentioned that it's grossly overpriced?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:39 PM
I know the Berkeley Place homes well. I live on the block.
I'm going to be putting an offer on one of them (less than 2 million) and I understand the other 2 already have multiple offers.
And the wife wants to keep it with someone on the block, anyway. She knows me.
So chill.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:40 PM
Sounds to me like the supposed Manhattan buyer has just morphed into Park Slope cheer leader.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:41 PM
Sounds like the earlier "dope" has transformed into the new "dope."
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:45 PM
same "dope" just a new high.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:48 PM
I just did a search of all townhomes in Park Slope, and there are about 6-7 listings, a couple of which look like commercial properties and not even townhomes and the other few are definitely not brownstones.
Certainly not on any street I know of. Jackson Place?
Sounds like some are so eager to trash Park Slope that they'll even make up lies assuming people won't actually do a little hunting for themselves.
So I stand by my assertion that there are very few listings for brownstones in Park Slope. The lowest inventory I've seen in years.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:49 PM
we all know it is you brownstoner.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:50 PM
no, no the Manhattan buyer went to the gym. Get with it!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:50 PM
Yes, everyone so against Park Slope they will even lie to get them.
Who has a complex?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:52 PM
Let's get this motherfucking thread to 200!!!!!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:56 PM
First broker site I went to I found a Park Slope listing for a house.
And they will be swimming in co-ops in no time at all.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:56 PM
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Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:57 PM
I find it slightly ironic that there are so many width snobs on this site. Get real - the dimensions of the rooms in the house are ideal, much bettter than some of the 24 x 14 (or 13) foot parlor floor rooms in much wider houses. And, how can you pretend to know anything about Brownstones and not know that the top floor rooms were often divded like that. I agree it could use more bathrooms, but the carrying on here is ridiculous. You people don't set the market for townhouses, real buyers do. So let's wait and see how very wrong most of you are. This house is turnkey and is defnitely going to sell near asking price. Let's all agree to meet online again and see who is really deluded. By the way, I alrea (Including the reviled borough of Manhattan.) How many of you know-it-alls can say the same.
And can we lose the obscenities. What is this, Brownstoner Junior High?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 7:59 PM
7:56...
ONE house in all of Park Slope for sale!!!???
Say it isn't so!!!!!!!!!
10 years ago, you could go to a broker website and find 25 brownstones for sale at any given time in any given neighborhood.
So yeah...I can see how one would be scary and certainly the sign that the end of the world is near.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:00 PM
I like your moxie, 7:57.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:00 PM
Just did an updated search to confirm my point: there are over 16 Park Slope listings on the NY Times, many of which I've been seeing for months. I stopped counting at the $2.195 4th street listing because I have to get my intense ass to the gym.
-Manhattan buyer
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:01 PM
I knew we could count on Broker/Seller 7:59 to keep this baby bubblin'!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:01 PM
More likely, people from Park Slope are so twisted and money grubbing that they will even lie about a shortage so they can raise their prices.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:02 PM
The image of an "intense ass" is not what I needed rightaboutnow. Bartender!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:03 PM
People in Bed Stuy are more twisted. Greenpoint 2/3 as twisted.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:03 PM
8:01...believe it or not the New York Times is not as timely as you might think about updating when said properties have already received an offer or signed contract.
I called about two of said 16 listings yesterday, and both had already received offers.
16 is more than 1 though. I'll give you that.
But already my number is down to 14, and some of those listings are CRAPOLA!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:04 PM
If this house was in Hotel Le Bleu, I'd buy it.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:05 PM
There certainly are some duds in Park Slope that have been on the market for a while--price too high for quality of the specific house. That's why whenever something truly nice comes up at a good price, it's snatched up asap. So to any prospective Slope sellers--just price it right and it'll move.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:06 PM
I'd like to open up a reasoned debate on the boundaries of Park Slope.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:06 PM
If these brownstones had BofA atms in the garden level, I'd buy them.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:06 PM
Oh you're a tricky one, you Manhattan buyer you.
Now go sweat it out. Go on. Get out of here.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:06 PM
I think 8:06 has a crush on Manhattan Buyer.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:08 PM
If this brownstone was an SRO, I'd move in.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:08 PM
Park Slope boundaries:
Prospect Park West to 4th Avenue...east side of the street.
Flatbush Avenue to 15th Street.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:09 PM
Looks like an SRO for Smurfs.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:10 PM
I want a property that is as twisted as I am. Do you got any of those Calatrava Turning Torso like buildings in Brooklyn?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:10 PM
Only 64 comments left to go to match the 3rd Place thread!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:12 PM
One just sold in Bed Stuy for 1.1 milloin, 8:10. Right next to Tiny Cup.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:12 PM
Will the real 8:06 please stand up.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:12 PM
8:11...
in your day the brontosaurus was also the largest living mammal, so not sure we should go by your boundaries for park dope.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:17 PM
I think that 8:09 and 8:06 should get together and produce lots of beautiful numbered posts.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:20 PM
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Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:22 PM
i think 8:09 and 8:06 are both men, 8:20.
so no crotchfruit for them.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:23 PM
damn
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:23 PM
200????
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:25 PM
Was there a gender question in the Stoner survey? I don't remember.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:26 PM
Why not have a discussion about the HOTD? Brownstoner, why not delete the posts that fight about neighborhoods and talk about this house?
I live in CG and love it, but this seems high for the price. Is there now a million dollar premium for "move in" condition one-families?
And, do people like the ground floor kitchen? Whenever I'm in one of those homes, the parlor floor living room is barely used. It's a shame to have the most wonderful floor the least lived-in, in my opinion.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:27 PM
8:17, if you knew shit about shinola, you'd know that "Brontosaurus" is a discredited term amongst paleontologists. Apatosaurus is preferred. And Park slope is anything between 1st and 2nd Street below 4th Avenue, bitches.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:29 PM
Have a discussion about the HOTD, 8:27...are you serial???!!!!
There were probably 150 comments on this 200 comment thread about the HOTD.
I know you like your precious Carroll Gardens, but can you fathom it possible that we're all tapped out on talking about the house?
Who died and made you our 1st amendment leader?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:30 PM
Stop telling Brownstoner how to do his "job," 8:27. The more posts, the more $$$.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:30 PM
brie anyone?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:32 PM
8:30, you're my hero. Let's take this baby to 250 NOW!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:32 PM
So, yeah, this house it totally overpriced. And narrow, did anyone notice the width?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:33 PM
Wait a minute, I just noticed the width. WTF?????????? They'll be lucky to get a sack of asshats for this fuckbag.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:34 PM
I've got melba toast... who's got Stoli Vanil?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:36 PM
Seriously folks...this thread has GOT to have some of the funniest comments made on bstoner thus far.
I mean I know I'm a big dork, but you...8:34 just made me SNORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love it.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:36 PM
A narrow but lovely house on Carroll between Court and Clinton sold recently. Does anyone know how contract price?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:40 PM
8:40--you're a total buzz kill.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:47 PM
5:45 PM - why do you post a link to 2005 prices and then state that they're 2007 comps?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:53 PM
I guess all the sane people left the party after the riffraff showed up. Get a life sick f*** losers..
Good night.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:54 PM
Try getting in on the "sane" conversation before it's ossified, 8:54, you uptight fucktard. People here came to blow off some steam and mock morons like you. Enjoy your beauty sleep. You need it.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:55 PM
i dare to dream... of 225. anyone watching american idol tonight? think paula abdul might pay asking for this sliver-assed, suburban dump?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 8:56 PM
Anyone know the circumference of the toilets in this house?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:01 PM
I think the dude who saw Vigoda gets a pass, since he seriously saw him.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:05 PM
People come here to gossip about real estate in Brownstone Brooklyn. If you come here to blow off steam and mock morons you truly need to get out more angry unsettled person.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:11 PM
Maybe Corcoran thinks that if people actually pay these prices it will make it easier for people to swallow the 1.2-1.3 million price tag on the new condos located on 3rd Pl. and the subway tracks that Corcoran is marketing.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:13 PM
Hello - you'd get much more in Bed Stuy than this house (lovely as it is) - here endeth the lesson!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:13 PM
Call it "Brontosaurus" or call it "Apatosaurus," but don't call it a mammal.
Speaking of species that have faced or are facing extinction, how are the Brokersauruses in the audience doing tonight?
Or should that be Brokersauri?
And yes, I'd love some brie, thank you.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:14 PM
The only "gossip" is that the bubble has burst, the whole thing is fucked and hope you like your house because it'll be worth half in a year's time. Typical anti-anger-asshat.
The What
Some day this war's gonna end...
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:14 PM
Yeah, but Bed Stuy is weak. Tiny Cup and what else?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:17 PM
I don't give a rat's ass what it is worth next year because I have a house and I'm not moving anywhere because I like where I live. If I were to move and prices halved then I'd be buying something cheaper anyway.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:17 PM
I'll pass on the brie, just point me towards the fondue. I brought my own toast points!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:18 PM
See...that's the thing, the What...
We DO love our houses. I think that's why most of your crap falls on deaf ears.
You aren't talking to 60redbricksplitlevel.com
You are talking to people who specifically and feverishly LOVE brownstones.
I could only be lucky enough to live in mine for the rest of my life.
You have some valid points. You just don't have the right audience.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:19 PM
You say that now, 9:17, but I hear you're up for that big promotion at Consolidated Lint.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:20 PM
That link is dead, 9:19. WTF?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:21 PM
Fondue is over on the sideboard, but get it before it gets cold. Or before AY is built and it becomes worthless.
Pinot Grigio?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:21 PM
Ahhhhh - the true brownstoners are back in play.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:22 PM
by all means, 9:21. make it a double.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:22 PM
Dizzam! I went out for some dinn dinn at this baby was at 170-something... what's goin awwwwwwnnnnnnnn? Did this place suddenly get wider or something?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:24 PM
Say it with me people.... 250!!!! Just stay focused....
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:25 PM
The only thing that you hear are voices 9:20 - now go back to obsessively picking the lint out of your bellybutton..
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:25 PM
ill advised to slam a guy who made a lint joke with another lint joke, 9:25. just sayin'
btw, i love this skinny house!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:27 PM
Hey, pour some of that fondue on that house and fatten it up a bit.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:33 PM
It's not a joke..
I don't like skinny houses personally but this one is kind of cute. Not worth the ask in my view but I think the comps aren't known really well here. Maybe I'll do some research tomorrow. And I think some people don't realize how convenient and livable this area is - not to mention great city views and diversity in a short walk's distance.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:33 PM
sounds like SESAME STREET!!!!!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:35 PM
I have a two family, 20 foot wide brownstone on Sesame Street. Been on the market for a year because of that fucking grouch in the garbage can calling all my prospective buyers ASSHATS and FUCKTARDS.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:42 PM
Someday this thread's gonna end...
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:46 PM
9:42, you just brought a tear to my eye...
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:52 PM
5:45 here:
No one's BUSTED a cap in my ass, a hat in my ass, or even an asshat.
The link is to 2005-2007 data.
Get over it. The comps have spoken.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:53 PM
The house is still skinny.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:55 PM
You're a very skinny person. I'm worried.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:59 PM
Oh yeah baby, we sent this one to the top of the "Most Viewed" on Corcoran...how about a shout-out to Leslie and Jimmy, SVPs of BOOGEY NIGHT tonight
Oh and Park Slope? Paltry showing a number five. SUCKAZ.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 9:59 PM
Back from the gym. I feel much better now. It's almost as good as a doobie. Glad to see the party is still raging. I heart Brooklyn--all of it.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 10:03 PM
Ok, just a few more posts and this thread will have surpassed the other Carroll Gardens HOTD and the Brooklyn Heights-Goldman thread... probably a record, no?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 10:07 PM
So anyway, where exactly is Carroll Gardens?
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 10:56 PM
I don't think we can do it. There is nothing more to say. The democratic debates rage on. Romney looks like his about to win his first GOP primary. And Park Slope is getting softer by the second.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 10:59 PM
Anyone see Biggest Loser? I am hooked.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 11:01 PM
Speaking of real estate gossip, there's a new Minsky listing on Washington Avenue. Also, he slashed the price on his Montrose Morris-designed DeKalb listing from $2.2 to $1.975.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 11:13 PM
This is the way the thread ends
This is the way the thread ends
This is the way the thread ends
Not with a bang but a MEH.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 11:15 PM
i bought a brownstone in cobble hill in 1997. before buying I had looked at 55 houses in only cobble hill and carroll gardens (for about 9 months). really don't see how there is now a lot of inventory.
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 11:37 PM
i refuse to let the thread end with 11:37's milquetoast 'real estate gossip.'
More brie!!
Posted by: guest at January 15, 2008 11:50 PM
Just FYI, 230 Degraw is a gorgeous place. And when they finally finish the Strong Church renovation (years from now), the block will be looking pretty darn good. Plus, there is a decent supermarket down the block (just saying, as its the only one in CG). And there is a family living in 230 and no sign of condo conversion.
Posted by: Carol Gardens at January 16, 2008 12:17 AM
1.8 this year. 1.4 next year. 1.1 the year after that.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 12:45 AM
9:14 is not The What. Way too grammatical and calm.
Posted by: Rehab at January 16, 2008 1:25 AM
How many people could stand in a circle in this narrrow house?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 6:29 AM
264!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 6:41 AM
I dreamt about Abe Vigoda last night.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 7:01 AM
Is this house wider than a subway car?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 7:53 AM
It's bigger than a breadbox. Slightly.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 8:03 AM
My asshat is wider than this house.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 8:53 AM
270!!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 8:55 AM
Gotta get to 300 soon, peeps. BEFORE new threads push us off the page!
To facilitate this, I'm going to bring up that this house seems too NARROW to garner the asking!
Thoughts?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 8:58 AM
could someone please convert the width to metric for me? i'm european.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 9:15 AM
Yes, yes, 8:58. Very narrow indeed. For this price, I thought the house was surely located smack on the promenade. However, upon clicking on the Google map link above, I realized it is quite far from the river.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 9:26 AM
latte anyone? how about a croissant?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 9:28 AM
Holy hotcakes Batman! 15.8 feet wide! $2.8 million?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 9:34 AM
I'm just gonna smear some of that coagulated fondue from last night on my croissant if you don't mind!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 9:48 AM
Did someone say hotcakes? Bring 'em on! And while you're at it, waffles, an omelet station, fruit plate, steaming bodum-full of fair trade kona, fresh squeezed pomegranate juice and a nice selection of breads and muffins. It's the least we can expect with a high end property such as this!!!!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 9:50 AM
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Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:02 AM
Is it too early for some red velvet cake?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:02 AM
NEVER too early for RVC, 10:02. Pass the chocolate milk!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:04 AM
talking about inventory - hey, it is JANUARY people. who puts their house on the market in january??? wait until spring - then we will see more inventory and when it sits and sits and sits all thru the summer months, we will see some serious price-cutting. even the brokers admit this. broker told me a few days ago that mortgage brokers are doing road show presentations to the real estate brokers in town explaining to them the new MUCH stricter lending requirements & telling them to forget about the "foreign money" theory -that is over. as of NOW. broker also says they (the brokers) are having a hard time adjusting sellers' expectations, which (if you believe this & not the broker-conspiracy theory) somewhat explains the crazy prices we still see. perhaps this broker was a newbie to tell me all this - or maybe playing very sophisticated head games. anyway, they are definitely starting to kowtow to any buyer who suggests that they have a chunk of cash ready to go. they are suddenly so nice - never a truer market measure.
no muffins for me, I'm on the zone.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:05 AM
well then, 10:05, could i interest you in an egg white omelet with a rasher of bacon?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:07 AM
toasted buttery bagel, please. mmm... and a cappuccino.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:11 AM
Are there any donuts at this breakfast bash?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:12 AM
Yeah, 10:12, over on that table by the fireplace across the room. Since this is the skinniest house in the history of skinnyhousedom, it shouldn't be long before you're in crullerville!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:17 AM
This is more of a munchkin house, I think.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:20 AM
Or really, a churro.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:22 AM
a churro is wider than this house
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 10:28 AM
C'mon folks. A post about David Yassky enjoying BLACK & WHITES garnered over 300 comments. Surely this prime meat of a HOTD can top that?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:02 AM
This house is not PHAT.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:02 AM
this house could slide into my toaster.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:03 AM
$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?!$2.8 million?! Whoa!!!!!!!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:04 AM
David Yassky should buy this house and convert it into a bowling alley that sells black and white cookies.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:06 AM
Eyes on the prize people. Eyes on the prize.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:08 AM
who the hell is David Yassky? Do I have to go google him? Bloody Mary, please.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:10 AM
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Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:11 AM
Coming right up, 11:10! with complimentary quail eggs benedict!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:12 AM
Has anyone taken a look at the pic of fried chicken that just popped up on the first post of this page?? Man, my mouth is watering.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:13 AM
thanks 11:12--you're swell.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:14 AM
too bad that joint is closing, 11:13!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:15 AM
300!!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:15 AM
WE MADE IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:16 AM
okay, next stop 1000!!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:16 AM
We were just dissed big time over on the foreclosure thread.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:22 AM
What? Do I smell a thread war???? What did they say?!!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:32 AM
^^ I believe it's this:
"If anyone has more info, or knows where to get it, please let us know....before this thread turns into offering coffee cake and biscuits."
I'm indignant!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:40 AM
All right, who's with me? Let's head over to the foreclosure thread and have at those bottomfeeding, old-lady-on-the-street-
throw-outing fucktards!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 11:51 AM
let's go--charge!!!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 12:11 PM
So, I just noticed that Romney is pretty hot. Too bad he's a religious man.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 12:11 PM
Just put a bag over his bible and enjoy, 12:11!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 12:19 PM
6:06 wrote
2:55 wrote
Read the listing 2:32. There are 2 full bathrooms and 1 half bathroom. The half bath is on the 1st floor where the living room, kitchen and dining room is. No bath on the parlor floor: which is pretty typical, and a full bath on each floor with bedrooms. No need to share a bath with the kiddies. hibuh
2:55, Broker - Top 2 floors have bedrooms, each floor has at least 2 bedrooms therefore sharing ONE bathroom.
For 2.8 million - one of the larger rooms, which would be used as a master bedroom should have a private bathroom.
For 2.8 million - Mommy and Daddy shouldn't have to share a bathroom with another bedroom.
For 2.8 million - There should be a powder room on the parlor floor.
I could keep going...but what's the use.
For 2.8 million why not expect a driveway and in-ground pool? It's a brownstone in Brooklyn, not a Houston suburb mc-mansion.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 12:56 PM
This house is so underwhelming, skinny, and overpriced that is truly boggles the mind.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 1:04 PM
Yeah, if they ask half of what they did yesterday. This house is thinner than that new Mac Laptop.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 1:18 PM
^ Give it a rest already.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 1:18 PM
There is nothing about this house that warrants anywhere close to asking price. Unless of course, Carroll Gardens IS Brooklyn Heights.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 1:19 PM
"^ Give it a rest already."
Refers to broker comment at 1:10pm. Not to the perfect analogy by 1:18.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 1:20 PM
Oh, sorry, 1:20--already let you have it! :)
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 1:21 PM
No worries--you made me laugh! Please pass the coffee cake.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 1:23 PM
Here, try this one--it's got blueberries on it!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 1:27 PM
325, anyone?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 2:15 PM
...? Hey, how did I wake up in this thin-assed house?
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 2:29 PM
324!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 2:37 PM
DONE.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 2:50 PM
Looks like this is going to hit 400.
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 5:38 PM
I heard that the more posts on this thread, the wider that house will get!
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 5:48 PM
Gasp! Cut down in their prime...
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 6:36 PM
...
Posted by: guest at January 16, 2008 7:11 PM
326!
Posted by: guest at January 18, 2008 11:21 AM
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