Brooklyn Apartments No Bargain Compared to Manhattan

i think this also has to do with what is available.. there are many more studios and small 1 bedrooms in the lower east side and hells kitchen then in Brooklyn. Not saying brooklyn is not expensive, but most of the apartments in brownstone brooklyn are rehashed large brownstones, not old small tenement buildings.. thus i think this number is a bit unrealsitic

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:07 AM

The reason that the rents are more expensive in these Brooklyn nabes is that these neighborhoods are nicer and more desirable than the comparable manhattan hoods that are mentioned in this piece. The fact that they are in Brooklyn, across the river, means nothing. Nicer, better quality of life = more expensive. Simple simple

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:11 AM

Most people I know have given up on Manhattan long ago. It has lost all of its edge. For me Brooklyn is more desirable than Manhattan and I would pay more to live here.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:23 AM

How are the public schools in Hell's Kitchen and the Lower East Side vs. Park SLope?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:24 AM

We moved last month out of an apartment that was costing us about $2,000/month. (We had been there since 2002. The next tenants will be paying $2,7000/month for the same place with no improvements put into it other than a fresh coat of paint.

For some people, even these high rents represent a savings. If a family rents in Park Slope, they might be able to put their kids into PS 321, saving them tens of thousands of dollars a year in private school costs. The landlords in the area know that Park Slope is desirable for this -- and other -- reasons, and adjust the rents accordingly.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:26 AM

I would hope most readers are sophisticated enough here to be sceptical of these stats and inferences (but I doubt it - makes more interesting conversation to repeat bad stats). This goes for all the sales figures comparing neighbhorhoods and year-to-year.
The methdology is very questionable. Collection of data dubious.
If anyone really believes that median rent in Park Slope has nearly tripled in 3 years -
I have a bridge for sale.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:30 AM

I thought all the people in the know have turned against PS321 for being too crowded, a victim of its own success. According to this line of thinking PS321 is over for a lot of people, not worth the trouble. Hardened Park Slopers couldn't keep the masses out of their neighborhood, and they've come in, swamped the school and in doing so brought the neighborhood down a couple of pegs. The 'real' Park Slopers have moved on, mentally if not physically.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:34 AM

The lower east side has a concentration of housing projects, so that might be a factor here.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:35 AM

Also, comparing two Bklyn neighborhoods to two Manhattan neighborhoods does not automatically mean that Bklyn is no longer an affordable alternative to Manhattan. One could have just as easily compared the upper east side or Soho to Crown Heights and Clinton Hill and concluded the opposite.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:37 AM

This article comes as no shock to me - our family just moved into a 4th floor walkup, unrenovated, 3 BR rental in the South Slope (Windsor Terrace really) and at $3200 a month it was the only place we saw at this price level that was even remotely acceptable. Most places we saw that were decent were $4500 on up. We looked at apartments in Manhattan too, and for that kind of rent you can be in a doorman building with wonderful amenities, central AC, and real closets, in a fine if not premium neighborhood. And often not need to pay a broker's fee, which is rarely the case in the Slope. We love Park Slope but the only thing that kept us here was not wanting to disrupt our childcare setup - it was certainly not the affordability of the neighborhood.

Also, there are no other families in our building - at these prices, every apartment is rented out to large groups of sharers. Not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but it makes for a very different character to the building, and the neighborhood. I think the people on here who imagine that families are willing to pay extremely high rents just to be in a good public school district are deluding themselves. I can't blame landlords for charging what the market will bear, but I also can't imagine that there is infinite demand - at a certain point sharers will vote with their feet if the rents continue to rise, since the local kid amenities are of no interest to them, and most will be working in Manhattan (at least they will be if they can afford to pay Park Slope rents!).

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:41 AM

Hmm. Agreeing with the others here: don't you need to compare apples to apples? What's the rent per SF?

OTOH, although I'm a city person, I simply find that many Brooklyn neighborhoods are nicer than many neighborhoods in Manhattan in the following ways: the visual quality of housing stock, the amount of street trees, and the proximity to green spaces. Few neighborhoods in Manhattan can match Brooklyn in those respects. I'll bet those that do have comparable rents.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:43 AM

And Carroll Gardens rents? I was in a Corcoran office the other day and 2BRs were going for like 7,000-10,000 a month!

Fuggedaboutit!

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:49 AM

"According to listings on StreetEasy"

How many rental listings actually make it to StreetEasy?

Please, even Craigslist would be a more reliable resources for data.

Don't believe the hype.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:51 AM

Median rents don;t actor in sq footage. I'd be shocked if $ / sq foot are cheaper in the LES (or Hell's Kitchen for that matter) than Park Slope (or maybe Williamsburg). Data doesn't lie, but it can be used to mischievous effect.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 9:56 AM

Yes, agree with many above -- Manhattan living is actually less desirable in many ways. The interesting cultural nexus of artists, designers, musicians, architects, etc -- many of them prefer Brooklyn. Manhattan is a playground for trustafarians and corporate hacks. Not my people.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 10:08 AM

williamsburg has had expensive rents for quite awhile because tons of single 20/30 somethings that live there. my cousin - late '30's - just rented a one bedroom in williamsburg for $2900 (a ONE! bedroom) because he goes out a lot and living in williamsburg is way way quieter and less hectic than either the LES or the east village but still super close and filled with amenities.

also, living in williamsbur you are in walking distance to clubs, bars, and restaurants that you might have been going to anyway. think the married with kids set on this site does not realize the extent to which williamsburg is a destination for people from all over the city and the burbs because of the vast amount of live music being offered.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 10:17 AM

Right, a proper data collection would compare 1 bedroom rent with 1 bedroom rent and 3 bedroom rent with 3 bedroom rent. 9:41 am who posted about her apartment search and finding a 3 bedroom in Windsor Terrace for $3,200. Even at $4,500, which was the price of better 3 bedrooms -- I'm not sure you could find a comparable 3 bedroom in Manhattan for less than $6,000. Did you actually find nice 3 bedrooms in Manhattan for $4,500?

So the conclusions of this report are meaningless. Sure, rents have definitely gone up in brownstone Brooklyn and it's a more desirable destination, but I'd like better evidence that it is more expensive than Manhattan.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 10:34 AM

$1090 in 2005 in Park Slope? Maybe 3rd Avenue...

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 10:39 AM

"The interesting cultural nexus of artists, designers, musicians, architects, etc -- many of them prefer Brooklyn."

But not Park Slope, unless they just starred in 'Atonement' or sold the movie rights to their hit literary novel. Otherwise, they are moving to East Bushwick or Crown Heights.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 10:43 AM

this study is bogus

ive seen a shitton of studios for around 1300 on craigslist in north park slope over the last few days. Ive looked at apartments that were well over 600 sqf for around 1700 on 5th ave north of union st.

and williamsburg i know someone who pays 3300 for a 3 bed that has the entire bottom floor of a building and the largest yard I have ever seen. Its right off bedford.

that shit will not happen for those prices in hells kitchen or LES. It has nothing to do with park slope and williamsburg being nicer than hells kitchen and LES. You get more space in brooklyn for the money.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 10:49 AM

News is exciting for those that may have purchased in other brooklyn nabs like Prospect Heights and Crown Heights. Large detailed apartments from $1500 to $2500 are vastly available.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 10:50 AM

"artists, designers, musicians, architects"

most designers and architects are loaded unless they suck.

also the western edge of park slope and gowanus has tons of musicians and artists. Union Hall, Southpaw, Brooklyn Lycem and Issue Project Room all have great acts and exibits. Not all park slope is huge brownstones by the park.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:00 AM

Agreed that the cited stats are useless. Even assuming that using Streeteasy data is valid, the post conveniently ignores the data one line down: the median rent PER SQUARE FOOT is 36% higher on Lower East Side than in Park Slope. I could go on, but why bother?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:02 AM

Check this place out. Sweet deal next to booming BAM Cultural District. Great investment!

http://tinyurl.com/34tes5

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:04 AM

and honestly as "cool" as the LES is its still a dump and most of the apartments are dumps. Paying $1700 for shit apartment in a 6 floor walk up sucks. $1700 will get you a similar sized apartment in the nicest area of brownstone brooklyn with a nicer kitchen and a less shitty building. And more subway options and food other than expensive french bistros and garbage mexican and chinese.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:07 AM

I live in a bronwstone by the Park and am an artist. I'm also young, single and gay. So there go all your PS stereotypes. Just sayin.

When I moved from Manhattan to Brooklyn, it was not for cheaper housing, but because I prefer it.

I pay more to live in Park Slope than I did to live in Manhattan (although I now own instead of rent) but you couldn't pay me at this point to move back to Manhattan.

I freakin LOVE Park Slope. No desire to leave at all. I don't even like leaving on the weekends.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:07 AM

cobble hill and Brooklyn Heights are way more expensive than park slope.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:24 AM

AMEN to 11:07
viva park slope!

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:30 AM

"most designers and architects are loaded unless they suck."

Damn, I'm in the wrong line of work. You mean if I had gone to architectural school instead of business school, and ended up not sucking, I'd be loaded by now?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:41 AM

^ yes

but design and architecture degrees are much harder to receive than business degrees. They give business degrees to any idiot with a suit.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:44 AM

Bed-Stuy.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:45 AM

"The housing stock in Park Slope, on the other hand, was built mostly for the wealthy."

And it still is today. It's a rich and nouveau-riche enclave, and whatever funkiness is left is getting bleached out. And remember: 5th Ave and below (heading towards Gowanus) is not Park Slope to the 'real' Slopers, so as far as they are concerned you're talking about a different neighborhood.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:46 AM

The "real" slopers need to wake up then.

Park Slope is 4th Avenue to Prospect Park West.

Period.

"Real" Park Sloper is such a stupid term. Who exactly are these "real" Park Slopers, exactly, and what the hell does that mean?

How many years do I need to live and own in Park Slope to be a "real" sloper, 11:46?

Do I need to be racist also like the "real" Park Slopers like some of my neighbors?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:50 AM

i heard it was 10 years before you're a "real" new yorker.

but some asshole italian dood told me that

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:59 AM

But what if you've lived in NYC for 10, but Park Slope for only 1?

Does that mean I've got 9 more years till I become a "REAL PARK SLOPE??"

God...I don't think I can wait!!!!

Oh wait...I lived here for a year back in 2000, so can I combine those two years, so now I only have 8 more to go???

Thank goodness.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:04 PM

"but design and architecture degrees are much harder to receive than business degrees. They give business degrees to any idiot with a suit."

So you mean all the architects that are designing all the new condo buildings going up around Brooklyn are all loaded...cause they're architects?

I think you're looking at the top 1% of the profession and extrapolating.

And try getting into a top-10 business school these days. It ain't easy, suit or no suit.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:06 PM

I'd rather a suit....you need assless chaps to be 'successful' with a design/architecture/fashion major.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:10 PM

Many more loaded business school graduates than architectural school grads out there.

You need those loaded b-school people: they are ones who can afford to buy your brownstone for you for $3 million. If they go away your $3 million price tag goes away too.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:10 PM

Most people I know who work as architects make about 45K a year. If you think they are all loaded, you are dellusional.

Business school is for those who don't have a passion in life and just want to make a lot of money.

Settling for mediocre, essentially.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:11 PM

Williamsburg is great for singles. There's so much to do there and the whole community is comprised of good looking, young 20 and 30 something people. I'm not surprised the rent is more expensive than the Lower East Side. The LES stinks. Despite the hype that once was, it's ugly, it's not safe. Check the crime stats. If I were a young single woman I'd feel more safe living even in the fringe areas of Brooklyn than in the LES.

There are downsides to the apartments in Park Slope becoming unaffordable to singles, and not enough studio apartment rental stock in PS. Singles make bars and restaurants succeed. If there are fewer singles living in PS going out every single night, there go the amenities. Union Hall and Southpaw will always do well because of being a music venue. But the smaller bars and restaurants will struggle. They don't make their money on food delivery to families who stay in and never go out. Especially with Park Slope landlords demanding huge commercial rents. The real money is made from liquor, from people sitting at a table eating and ordering drinks.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:13 PM

business people in nyc make so much mroe than those outside of it

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:14 PM

"they are ones who can afford to buy your brownstone for you for $3 million. If they go away your $3 million price tag goes away too."

Is that so, 12:10? I live on a North Slope block and I made a mental note at the last block party about what my neighbors do for work. There were VERY few "business" people in the crowd...I'd say maybe 10% or so...20% tops.

The rest were highly successful graphic designers, agents for literary or music firms, a couple doctors, 2 actors (both succcessful) and a handful of editors for magazines. Oh and one is a designer for Yves Saint Laurent.

Nearly all the people I mention are owners of 2 plus million dollar homes.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:16 PM

I majored in business, I'm 32 and on my second house AFTER my first co-op purchase in the city....oh, wait...I only have an undergrad so I had no shitty grad school debt....yup definitely more mediocre than a passionate broke-ass, fancy pants designer.

Cigars anyone?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:18 PM

i dont know any singles that live by themselves anywhere.

they cram into apartments and split the rent

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:18 PM

Young lawyers are so miserable in their work, firms are having to offer incentives just to encourage people to stay lawyers and not quit the field. There was a NY Times article about it recently. Plus just based on my own experience every lawyer I know hates their job. As for business school graduates, they're all trying to figure out how to work for themselves they're so bored.

The liberal arts degree life and career(s) are ridiculous at times, but not thanks to the other scenario.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:18 PM

12:13:

Park Slope is a full 40% single and over 70% are unmarried.

It was just discussed on an earlier thread this week. Check the stats on Property Shark for 11215 and 11217 if you don't believe me.

Park Slope is not all families as you suggest. I believe the stat for married with children in those zip codes was 24%.

Williamsburg is about to overtake Park Slope (it may have already) as having more families with kids, so do a little research before making mass generalizations about a neighborhood.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:20 PM

12:16. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the boom in Brooklyn property prices is driven primarily by a bunch of magazine editors.

There is no way that there are sufficient numbers of them that can throw $2 or $3 million at brownstones.

Whatever the profile of Brooklyn buyers was over the last 10 years, it is very different from the profile of buyers that will come over the next ten years.

It will be more money people, the ones that have no passions in life, according to one poster above. They are your neighbors of the future. Hope you're looking forward to it.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:22 PM

I think with the closing of a bunch of these family friendly restaurants in Park Slope...2nd Street Cafe, Tempo Presto and the increase in smaller, better quality restaurants in the last year like Moim and Chiles and Chocolates, means that the non parents in the neighborhood are starting to get some attention from retailers.

Did anyone else hear that Pinkberry might be opening on 7th between Union and Berkeley...

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:25 PM

hahaha business majors get so uppity when you say they're worthless.

you know all you do is just move money for people richer than you....right?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:26 PM

I don't see a lot of these people leaving their brownstones anytime soon, 12:22 so it very well might be a non-issue.

Take a look at homes for sale in Park Slope on Corcoran's website.

There are ZERO for sale.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:27 PM

I live in Park Slope, 12:20. I see with my own eyes who lives there, so that informs my opinions on top of stats. And just because people are unmarried does not mean they aren't a family. Only the Republicans believe you can't have a child and be a family if you aren't married. Lastly, just look at the increasing empty storefronts in Park Slope. The types of businesses in Park Slope are changing, from independent cool little bars and restaurants to big stores and banks.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:28 PM

"Take a look at homes for sale in Park Slope on Corcoran's website.

There are ZERO for sale."

If there are ZERO for sale then how do we know they are worth $3 million?

And it's beside the point. They ones that do sale are all getting snapped up by magazine editors and architects at $3 mil a pop?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:32 PM

"Park Slope is a full 40% single and over 70% are unmarried."

?????

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:36 PM

People make SUCH a big deal about banks overtaking their neighborhoods. Many with good reason, but that is actually NOT the case in Park Slope.

Park Slope has two major retail strips with over 65,000 people and it has one Chase on each 7th and 5th, one Commerce on 5th, two Atm only Bank of Americas, an Astoria Federal on each strip and not much else.

Park Slope is actually NOT turning into one big bank branch as you suggest, but is merely keeping up with demand. I know most people who would actually WELCOME another bank branch in PS.

You have fallen for media hype over what actually exists in the neighborhood.

You also have chosen to focus on the negative, because just without thinking the following (mostly independent or two shop enterprises) places have opened in Park Slope over the last 12 months:

Moim
Chiles and Chocolate
Flight001
Cafe Tapeo
Trois Pommes Bakery
GetFreshNYC
Canaille French Bistro
A.O.C. Bistro
Private Stock
Bump
Teddy
Maria's Restaurant
Brooklyn Bakery coming soon
Soula Shoes

I'd say that list is a helluva lot better than the list of places closing like Tempo Presto, 2nd Street Cafe, etc.

The new crop is definitely geared more towards the younger, singles set. Not too many moms I know spending 450 bucks on a new suitcase at Flight001 for their trip to Dubai.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:36 PM

"hahaha business majors get so uppity when you say they're worthless."

Business majors aren't worried about what you - sitting in a coffee shop with your little laptop - thinks about them. Trust me on that.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:38 PM

for the year I have lived in park slope no banks and big stores have moved in and tons of new smaller stores have opened. Although there are tons of banks in real estate offices which is lame

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:40 PM

"The new crop is definitely geared more towards the younger, singles set."

The singles set that cruises over to Park Slope from South Slope, WT, PH, CH, Gowanus and where ever else they actually live.

PS is a destination neighborhood in Brooklyn now. That's why the streets are clogged with cars, there's no parking, and you have to wait for tables. People I know that actually live there complain about all this all the time now. Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:42 PM

12:38...

if you didn't care, you wouldn't have written anything. it's called defensive and it's psych 101.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:42 PM

12:42...I live there and I frequent all of the great restaurants and shops that PS has to offer.

Most of my friends in the neighborhood are totally pscyhed about all new stuff opening, actually.

Rarely do I have to wait for a table. But they know me at the busier places like Al Di La and Blue Ribbon.

Most people live in NYC because it's a destination. You are naive if you think people who live in Park Slope don't appreciate that it's one of the most vibrant neighborhoods in Brooklyn and that people travel all over (including a surge from abroad) to check out our shops and food.

I welcome these people. It's what keeps our commerce thriving. More stuff is opening all the time to replace the outdated relics of the past.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:47 PM

"if you didn't care, you wouldn't have written anything. it's called defensive and it's psych 101."

Take at look at yourself, my friend. The need to lash out at your financial and career betters speak volumes about your own self esteem.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:49 PM

"if you didn't care, you wouldn't have written anything. it's called defensive and it's psych 101."

...similar to your response to his/her statement.

-sounds like someone was denied to B school.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:51 PM

business school is for losers.

everyone knows that.

take our illustrous president for example.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:53 PM

"Rarely do I have to wait for a table. But they know me at the busier places like Al Di La and Blue Ribbon."

Maybe 10% of all the places in PS are worth the bother. Is it any wonder that they same 3 or 4 places get name-checked? You know which ones they are. The rest are rather blah.

And if you live anywhere near 5th ave, you have to live with kind of noise and commosion that people in the East Village now complain about all the time. It's gone from tight-knit residential to loud party zone. PS is headed in that direction.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:53 PM

Business school!

teaching idiots how to boss around people more qualified than them for the last 100 years.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:55 PM

...yeah, I prefer lawyer presidents that get head in the oval office.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 12:57 PM

"Maybe 10% of all the places in PS are worth the bother."

So basically you are saying PS is like pretty much every neighborhood in Manhattan also?

I can name a couple good restaurants in each neighbohood in Manhattan (except maybe noho and west village which have maybe 20% excellent restaurants) and the rest are crap.

But you think Park Slope should be held to a higher standard, because???

The Upper West Side has the worst restaurant scene in the city below 96th, yet somehow people still find it a lovely place to live.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 1:00 PM

Hey 12:47, self-proclaimed insider at Blue Ribbon, how's your mercury count these days?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 1:02 PM

"...yeah, I prefer lawyer presidents that get head in the oval office."

yes, i think most of us prefer that actually.

probably about 75% of the country at this point.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 1:02 PM

so do i

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 1:03 PM

"Hey 12:47, self-proclaimed insider at Blue Ribbon, how's your mercury count these days?"

Great, actually....never been a big tuna fan...I'm more of an eel and yellowtail guy.

But thanks for the concern!

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 1:03 PM

yup, I'd trade cancer for liver failure anyday.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 1:04 PM

Cobble Hill is NOT more expensive than Park Slope

Have you looked at Corcoran's report?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 1:22 PM

Cobble Hill is a neighborhood of a few streets only. It's tiny.

Try comparing things that are actually remotely similar if you feel so closed-minded enough to actually make such ignorant comparisons.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 1:28 PM

um...

renting in cobble hill or Brooklyn Heights costs more than renting anywhere in park slope.

this is fact

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 2:30 PM

brooklyn heights sucks.

filled with a bunch of bush loving republicans.

cobble hill? where the hell is that?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 2:55 PM

How to lie with statistics.....

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 2:55 PM

get rid of business majors, and there will be no one to buy your art.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 3:00 PM

and park slope is filled with yuppies with strollers.

brooklyn heights and cobble hill still cost more to live in.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 3:13 PM

brooklyn heights and cobble hill still cost more to live in.

that's not a good thing in this new economy, 3:13.

i'd take a yuppie or stroller over a bush loving republican any day of the week.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 3:18 PM

ok well wall street is closer to brooklyn heights.

thus expensive.

why are we talking about this?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 3:27 PM

Park Slump.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 3:33 PM

Park Dope.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 3:44 PM

Do you people actually ever get outside? Brooklyn Heights and Cobble Hill (just like every yuppie neighborhood in NYC and probably nationally) are virtually 100% democratic and pretty liberal too.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 3:55 PM

D-O-N-E-D-E-A-L!!!

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 3:59 PM

You're a dope, 3:55.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 4:02 PM

dont know any singles that live by themselves anywhere.

:raises hand:

sg

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 4:06 PM

4:02 - great retort!

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 4:12 PM

yours was so much better, 4:12!

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 4:18 PM

"As for business school graduates, they're all trying to figure out how to work for themselves they're so bored."
--Yep. You can talk to Brownstoner on that one ;)

"The liberal arts degree life and career(s) are ridiculous at times, but not thanks to the other scenario."
--Sometimes I regret my degree when I come to this site. Sometimes not.

-sg.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 4:28 PM

I thought people only went to business school if they had no creative gifts to share with society?

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 4:43 PM

the commenter who wrote about singles in PS is correct - perhaps there are technically singles in PS - but many are unmarried couples. you simply do not see the sheer numbers of people out every night in PS as in Williamsburg.

went to the new beer hall on Saturday at 6:00pm and it was wall to wall packed.

do think that many married with kids are flocking to williamsburg to buy the new condos or were there and stayed, but because the geographical ares is really really big - huge actually - especially taking into consideration spill over in to greenpoint and bushwick - that single renters will continue to patronize all restaurants, bars, clubs, etc... just because there will continue to be tons of rental space.

also, the guy who posted that PS apts are nicer than williamsburg apts, is clueless. i have seen some amazing spaces. also, lots of both rental and condo bldgs have shared roof decks with unbelievable views.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 4:47 PM

No 4:43 - your thinking of Film School

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 4:55 PM

don't care.

hate williamsburg.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 4:56 PM

williamsburg gets alot of people from LI and Jersey. Its the cool place to hang out.

park slope not so much. They get everyone from below park slope.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 5:19 PM

There are no people coming to williamsburg from LI/Jerz to hang out.

They go to the LES now to stand in line to get into Libation.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 5:24 PM

Nope...actually saw them all in Williamburg.

Part of the reason I won't go back.

That and all the guys are ugly and zitty.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 5:26 PM

Smell that?

It's the smell of Park Slopers smelling their own farts......

and loving it.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 5:26 PM

without business, and people who went to business school this city would be no different than charlotte, nc.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 5:27 PM

without toilet paper, we'd all be walking around with mighty dirty hands, 5:27....so what is your point exactly??

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 5:58 PM

charlotte is the 2nd biggest banking city in the US after NYC.

and thats the reason why Charlotte sucks.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 5:59 PM

anyone who hates williamsburg is just over or was never cool to begin with.

you are old and ugly. sorry!

enjoy your overbearing woodwork. sounds fun.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 6:01 PM

I like Williamsburg. It's a fun, vibrant spot.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 6:58 PM

Bed-Stuy is the new Williamsburg

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 7:23 PM

Gowanus is the new Williamsburg.

It is bburg of 10-15 years ago.

Close to Park Slope so they have the best of both worlds there.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 7:48 PM

Hey, 6:01. They probably lived there fifteen years before you read about it in a magazine, so that makes them cooler than you are.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 7:57 PM

Williamsburg sucks. Park Slope sucks. All overpriced and so white. Cobble Hill is just as expensive as Park Slope. Many more neighborhoods will follow these neighborhoods as some already are. You want to live cheap move to Crown Heights, Sunset Park, or Bed-Stuy before these neighborhoods get expensive. With all the building that is going on it's probably going to happen.

Many people in their 20's and 30's in this city have 2 or 3 roommates. In 10 years most likely their will be 4 people crammed into a 2 bedroom apartment in many neighborhoods of brooklyn.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 8:35 PM

6:35 - um, no many people in their 20's and 30's do not have 2-3 roommates. who do you know? people make mucho money here. i never had to have roommates. if you can't make money in this town, you are not too bright.

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:48 PM

<3

Posted by: guest at January 30, 2008 11:53 PM

11:48-so people who couldn't make the living in NYC that they wanted to and left are not bright? Their are plenty of bright people in this city who don't make much money. Just for your stupid post I would love to see someone break your legs and bust your kneecaps. That would bring a big smile to my face.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 12:26 AM

"brooklyn heights sucks. filled with a bunch of bush loving republicans. cobble hill? where the hell is that?"

2:55 Your obviously not from here. Brooklyn Heights is liberal as any other part of Brooklyn but with more money. I don't know a single Bush lover.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 1:21 AM

Yet another incentive to STAY in Manhattan.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 8:24 AM

Manhattan is definitely getting cheaper than Brooklyn; searching for cheap shares, I get more listings for the Lower East Side than I do Williamsburg or Greenpoint (Park Slope area, never).

A share in Sunset Park - $700/month. A share on the Lower East Side? $700/month. Why on earth would anyone stay in Brooklyn?

I was born in Brooklyn and have lived here for years, but you have to admit, the rents have gone absolutely out of control within the past -2- years. We all knew it: the place was going to get more expensive than Manhattan, and people would start moving back there. and... well, here we are.

Don't be in denial people.

Posted by: guest at January 31, 2008 9:35 PM