Next Goldman M&A Target: Brooklyn Heights?

I seriously don't understand why even more Wall Street bankers live in Brooklyn Heights and Dumbo. It is soooo close!!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 9:42 AM

Maybe because a lot of Wall Street bankers don't work on or near Wall Street. Goldman, Deutsche Bank and (not for long) Merrill are downtown, but everyone else (Morgan, Lehman, Bear, Credit Suisse, UBS) are mid-town.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 9:45 AM

That is news?

We can do better.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 9:45 AM

Wall Streeters flocking like lemmings.... Who would have thought?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 9:56 AM

If they are going to choose any Brooklyn neighborhood, it's going to be BH. Best location and best housing stock, for those that can afford it.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 9:58 AM

I know of more GS employees leaving than coming.
One VP moved out of the bldg next door.
GS itself is moving further away from BHS, and it isn't particularly easy to get to by subway from BHS. Midtown / mid 50s is a pain to get to from BHS.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:00 AM

10:00am. Wrong on Goldman's new location not being east to get to from Brooklyn Heights. The A/C from High Street to Chambers Street (2 stops and short walk to Goldman's new building). Also 2/3 to Park Place or Chambers. Will be essentially no difference to Goldman's current digs at 85 Broad (or One NY Plaza, if you currently work there).

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:06 AM

This isn't a new trend. Wall Streeters have lived in the Heights forever... easy commute, schools for the kids, etc.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:08 AM

I guess once Goldman got the deal to stay downtown and their new tower started to go up, alot of execs there started to feel they would be working downtown for many years to come, so the near Brooklyn neighborhoods started appealling to them.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:09 AM

someone could make a killing opening up another 30k a year grade school in BH.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:13 AM

How can you say it's a pain to get to midtown from BH? Honey, you can get ANYWHERE from BH: you have the choice of the 2/3, 4/5, M,N, R, J, C and F.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:13 AM

GS does not have an office in Midtown so I don't really understand your comment 10.00am. Their main NY offices are located at 85 Broad Street (Head Office), 180 Maiden Lane, and 1 New York Plaza - all downtown. Their opperations / technology division is based in that huge building in Jersey City. They are also building a brand new building close to ground zero where they will be centralizing their New York divisions.

Park Slope would also appeal as it's served by the 2, R and M trains, which only take 15 to 20 mins to the financial district.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:13 AM

It is true that the Heights is known for its good schools but we have noticed that these uber-rich folks do not send their kids to Packer or St. Ann's, the kids go to shcool in Manhattan. Every weekend is spent in the Hamptons or elsewhere. These families have very weak conections to the neighborhood. They don't walk the few blocks to the subway because a towncar picks them up. They don't walk their dogs themselves. They are like phantoms. They live in the city but their hearts and minds are in a gated community somewhere else.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:18 AM

Guess you don't hang at Heights Casino 10:18. They're around, just not where you are.

And Packer is FULL of local IB kids. St Anns is full of kids from Manhattan and doesn't have a lot of room for the locals.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:22 AM

makes sense to me.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:35 AM

10:00 back. Used to work at GS, so I know where it is. Current locations are much much more convenient to BHS than the new ones -- high st is _NOT_ convenient to the southern part of the heights. The ride home is much longer in the town car -- late at night it only takes 5-10 minutes now. High st or Jay sts are another 5-10 minutes walk, and the walk at the other end is also a pain in the ass. Might as well move to JC or Hoboken. Even DUMBO is more convenient to new GS HQ.

My point on midtown is that it is very hard to get to the 50s from BHS -- you have to transfer.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:37 AM

10:22
Good snooty reply.
But false. I do not see these folks at the Casino or anywhere else in the neighborhood. I guess you don't quite understand what sort of wealth we are talking about.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:38 AM

Gimme a break about Park Slope appealing to Wall Streeters and about how the commute is so short. First of all every Wall Streeter knows that Park Slope is the most annoying neighborhood in Brooklyn and secondly that the commute sucks.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:41 AM

"I guess you don't quite understand what sort of wealth we are talking about."

and that's not snooty?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:42 AM

Why does Park Slope try to high Jack every thread?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:42 AM

I truly do not understand the poster that keeps writing that it is hard to get to midtown from Brooklyn Heights. Compared to what? Living in Midtown? Brooklyn Ehights unlike many of the neighborhoods discussed here has conenient subway access on many lines. You can reach midtown on the 4,5,2,3, or R. There is also the A. What are you smoking?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:42 AM

Anyone know what happened with that $4.2 BH listing (that used to be part of St. Ann's) and was reported in all the local papers to have been sold, but that is now back on the market with BHS?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:44 AM

10:42,
oh yes, very snooty.
Even snootier than you.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:45 AM

10:37. You're right. All the rich folk are in BH. They aren't in Fort Greene, buying $2mn townhouses.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:47 AM

You're all snooty a-holes.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:51 AM

"They aren't in Fort Greene, buying $2mn townhouses."

You mean $3mn houses. Where have you been?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:51 AM

brooklyn heights = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:51 AM

While the (private) schools in BH are fine, the number of spots and variety limited (Packer is very traditional, St. Ann's is very progressive). Poly Prep is a bit of a schlep. Thinking that your kid may have to spend 45 minutes on a subway into Manhattan to got school is not first choice. For that reason, BH's appeal to wealthy families with middle and high school kids will always be limited.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:51 AM

Rich Wall St. types living in Brooklyn Heights don't take the train.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:52 AM

I think these folks are buying in Fort Greene and in Clinton Hill. They take their gated community with them wherever. And since they never ever take a subway or bus and since they send their children (by car) to school in Manhattan or the suburbs, what does it matter? Fort Greene and CH are certainly more convenient to Manhattan by car than Park Slope, which is kind of landlocked out there past Fourth Avenue.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:54 AM

I've found a lot of these families moving to BH once the kids are already in Packer or St Anns. So the limited spots isn't really a thing for them.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:56 AM

The house on Pierrepont Street owned by the hapless congregation of Holy Trinty and St Ann's church is I think in contract. They had trouble evicting their commercial tenant and that blew the first deal. Let that be a lesson to all, even commercial tenants, with absolutely no protection whatsoever can be a pain in the ass to evict in Brooklyn. The courts here are unbelievable. Private renters, even if they are not rent-regulated can be an even bigger headache. Do they have any right to stay without a lease? Technically, no. Will the courts help you evict them? No. If you are lucky it will take a year or two and cost you fifty thousand dollars. Buyer beware.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:00 AM

A friend's dad, during the last recession said "Buy a brick".

I see this as proof that the financial workers are afraid of inflation and investing in bricks instead of a volitile financial market. Brooklyn Heights ought to keep it's value - it's stayed pretty stable over the last thirty years and solidly appreciated in value.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:01 AM

I love that someone thinks Park Slope is "landlocked" but that Clinton Hill is not.

Clinton Hill is one of the most inaccessible neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

Park Slope needs no more Wall Streeters. They prefer the creative types over there.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:01 AM

To 10.00 who said a vp from Goldman that lives in their building was moving out of Brooklyn - we're not talking about some low level vp buying BHeights townhouses.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:02 AM

I live in Clinton Hill, and am a block and a half from the C train. It takes me about 26 minutes to get to where Goldman's headquarters are, door to door (I work in a building a block south of Goldman).

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:05 AM

You people are so f'ing obnoxious. Whats so funny is that all you (fake) open minded types spend so much time gossiping, stereotyping and bad-mouthing others....

And the reality is that 95% of Wall Streeters dont live in Brooklyn and only a few more live in Manhattan - The vast vast majority of Wall St (the business of...) live in the suburbs of Westchester, Northern NJ and LI.

In fact I was at a Wall St party last night and as they called out the places that people were going Brooklyn wasnt even mentioned.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:07 AM

I love Park Slope but it is a pain in the ass to drive to. The Prospect Expressway stops short so you're left on those endless narrow Brooklyn streets usually behind a garbage truck.
When talking about these Goldman Sachs types car transportation is the only thing that matters. My father, who is 75, is one of them and I think you can count on one hand the times he has set foot on a subway or bus in his life.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:09 AM

11:01 - yeah cause the bricks (in every other part of the country-and likely eventually here) have performed so well.

Equities have historically outperformed real estate by a wide margin.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:10 AM

From my doorstep in Park Slope, it is 15 minutes on the 2/3 to Wall Street.

And by car, 10 minutes.

Is that too long for you poor wittle babies?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:12 AM

I think most of the creative types have been priced out of Park Slope. I'm afraid Park Slope will remain the same boring senior exec haven it is today. Good thing there are a few creative holdouts who were smart enough to buy 10-20 years ago, though.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:14 AM

It's true. Gentrified Brooklyn has gone from this alternative, creative-vibed place into a second-rate bourgeois social/money-climbing environment. Kiss Brooklyn's 'specialness' goodbye. It's worse than what it was alternative too.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:15 AM

Again the vast majority of uber-rich wall st types aint living in Brooklyn, taking a car everywhere, the vast majority 'wall streeters' you meet/see in wealthy sections of Brooklyn are the 300-500k mid-level management types.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:16 AM

11:12 You are so full of Park Slope rosy smelling shit. It takes a minimum of half hour by car to get into Manhattan from Park Slope and that is on a Sunday with no traffic. Subway, also minimum of a half hour.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:20 AM

My small North Slope co-op building consists of two graphic designers, a literary agent, a manager for musicians, a set designer for the New York City Opera, and a woman who designs handbags.

Everyone owns. Two gay men, one lesbian and the rest straight.

Park Slope is not what you think it is.

So perhaps it should be rephrased: Park Slope attracts SUCCESSFUL creative types.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:20 AM

Seems like the 'alleged' creative-type,'alterernatives' here on Brownstoner - who bemoan Brooklyn in the 21st are the ones who are truly obsessed with $$$$$. The envy and jealousy here makes a suburban-mom coffee clach look like church group

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:22 AM

11:20, Is the handbag designer the lesbian? Hot!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:22 AM

"It takes a minimum of half hour by car to get into Manhattan from Park Slope and that is on a Sunday with no traffic. Subway, also minimum of a half hour."

One word for you:

WRONG

You are assuming all of Park Slope is bound by the F Train which is incorrect. From the 2/3 at Bergen or Grand Army Plaza, the commute to Wall Street is 15 minutes and 25 to 42nd Street. From the 7th Avenue Q station, it is 15 to Union Square and 30 minutes to 42nd Street.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:24 AM

Who cares about Park Slope? It's the hinterlands.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:25 AM

I think that 11:07 is right, people that work on Wall Street and make the really big bucks live mostly in the posh suburbs, like their antecedents. A few live in Brooklyn. A few uber-rich types live in Brooklyn Heights and at least one I met lives in Cobble Hill.
We all love Brooklyn, but it still connotes poverty and urban ills to too many people who just do not know a lot about New York.
From what I hear, many of the execs would not mind living in Brooklyn but their wives absolutely veto the notion. It is seen as declasse and inconvenient by them.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:25 AM

Park slope has a very uptight-money vibe. Whatever it was is long gone. And places like Fort Greene are worse - nouveau riche with gnawing social inferiority because they couldn't afford park slope. Ugly scene.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:27 AM

Park Slope is the hinterland, that is why it is so well preserved. Once you finally get there though, it is really nice.
PS I don't think the subways have been reliably running on the weekends in any part of Brooklyn for about four years.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:29 AM

Wall street wife when asked where she lives: "In Fort Greene in a rehabilitated crack house."

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:30 AM

"PS I don't think the subways have been reliably running on the weekends in any part of Brooklyn for about four years."

Well one of the greatest things about Park Slope is that leaving the neighborhood on weekends is not necessary.

I'd say the same for Ft. Greene as well.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:33 AM

Wall street wife when asked where she lives:
In a lovely former SRO in Clinton Hill, near Pratt -it's a school of some kind.
We live next door to the most charming rent-controlled families you have ever met"

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:39 AM

The item here doesn't mention Park Slope - why are you bringing it up?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:41 AM

Maybe because there's not enough going on in Brooklyn Heights to continue the discussion.

Expensive, beautiful, crappy retail, close to Manhattan.

Covered.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:43 AM

There is absolutly not a single uber-rich Wall Streeter (much less one with the ditzy stereotypical eye-candy wife) living in Clinton Hill and if there is one in Ft Greene they are buppies.

You people are so clueless its not funny.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:44 AM

"The item here doesn't mention Park Slope - why are you bringing it up"

You're right. No one EVER strays from the topic at hand here.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:45 AM

Ran into Jim Grant in Brooklyn Heights this morning walking onto subway. Does it get more uber-rich than that?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:49 AM

I hate this site.
Every posting gets hijacked by you park slope losers, then by the FG/CH losers with an inferiority complex.

Wall st executives are not in Park Slope. BH and PS are not on the same playing field.
And no, not all executives take a town car. rich people are rich for a reason.

And wall st isn't 15 minutes from grand army plaza. typical PS LIAR.

Is bergen even considered Park Slope Proper? I've always considered it Prospect Heights.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:49 AM

11:44, not true. Wall street execs like to keep it real in the hood too, word.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:50 AM

I was at a Wall Street Christmas party and somebody shouted 'Brooklyn in da house'!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:53 AM

I have no idea how rich Grant is but he is an author not a Wall St executive and he definetly doesnt live in Clinton Hill.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:54 AM

Park slope is only 15 minutes on the 2/3 train to my brain.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:55 AM

11:53 - Drunken office staff go to Wall St parties to

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:56 AM

"And no, not all executives take a town car. rich people are rich for a reason."

They are rich because they make million dollar bonuses, not because they save on carfare asshole.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:59 AM

i ran into maggie gyllenhall this morning on my way to work.

she said park slope is the best.

she's going to tell all her celebrity friends to move there.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:59 AM

"And wall st isn't 15 minutes from grand army plaza"

You're right actually.

It's more like 12 minutes.

I timed it this morning.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:00 PM

Maggie gyllenhall is only 15 minutes on the 2/3 train from my brain.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:01 PM

I used to work for an investment bank downtown and now work for one in Midtown. I can confidently say that I preferred my 15 minute door to door commute to my current 30 minutes (yes I have to change trains) but that still beats the 43 minutes (only counting the time on the train and not the time to the station on either end) to whatever suburban paradise you care for. My wife and I both grew up in suburbs in other states. I have no desire to repeat that experience. I think what you are seeing is a transition in where people who work in finance want to live. In the not so distant past, once you got married, had kids and made MD, you moved out to the suburbs. That describes all of my senior management. However, my generation of co-workers is more inclined to stay in the City. That could be Tribeca, Soho or even BH. BH is great. I understand the charms of Park Slope, Cobble Hill, Coney Island, etc. I’ve been told that BH is not really a part of Brooklyn. OK, I get that. I still like it and when you work from 7 to 7 every day, its hard to beat for the convenience. Sure plenty of traders move to Connecticut, but many choose to stay in an urban environment. None of the younger traders that work for me live in the suburbs even though half of them are married. Living in the City is much more viable than it was 20 years ago. That said I don’t see a lot of Wall Street types in BH. Sure, they’re there, but the well paid professionals I run into at school or the Casino are more likely lawyers and doctors. Lots and lots of lawyers. Finally, guys from GS have always lived in BH. By the way, a VP a GS is not necessarily a low level job. There are only two official titles at GS, VP and MD. A VP can make easily make $1mm plus.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:01 PM

Man, is Peter Sarsgaard hot or what? That Maggie is one lucky chick.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:02 PM

This sounds crazy but as I came out of CVS on Court Street on Saturday afternoon, a man passed (walking with another parka-ed person) and I looked because he was so fmailiar - someone in my building? a neighbor? I swear it was Jim Cramer -- or his twin! UGH!!! Pease no -- We loved the neighborhood before you needed millions to live here!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:02 PM

Maggie Gyllenhall isnt a Wall St executive and she is barely a celebrity

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:03 PM

she's going to tell all her celebrity friends to move there.

Oh my gosh I just picked myself up from the floor. Thanks, that's the best laugh I have had all week.

"celebrities invade Park Slope" Strollers bumped by limos, whole houses turned into walk-in closets, pools flood subways, Prospet Park get valet parking.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:05 PM

Wall street is all about status. From the clothes you wear, and especially where you live.

Park slope doesn't have the same reputation as BH. Park slope is nice, but it's no BH

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:05 PM

You've clearly never seen Secretary then, 12:03.

She is more of a celebrity than most celebrities are.

One of the finest actresses around.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:07 PM

James Grant is an author of a journal that costs $850 per year that EVERYONE subsribes to. He also runs conferences that are more than 1k per person. He also runs a small, private fund. He's about as uber-rich as you get.

He doesn't live in Clinton HIll, that's true. He lives in BH which is probably why he was spotted there.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:07 PM

12:01. Welcome, first-time poster to brownstoner.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:11 PM

I heard Goldman was planning to build a building on 4th Ave in Park Slope, just down from Hotel Le Bleu. That should be an easy communite, just walk down 5th Street.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:13 PM

Trying to talk to brownstoner posters about wall st types is like talking to a brick wall. It's inconceivable to them that someone wouldn't want to live in PS/BH/CH.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:13 PM

I really don't think anyone cares if wall streeters move into their neighborhoods, 12:13. It's just fun to talk about and SO easy to get someone's goat at the very mention of it.

I'd rather have a teacher as a neighbor. Or practically any other profession for that matter.

It's like wishing for an absentee landlord.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:16 PM

Typical park slope propaganda to make wall st types buy in their neighborhood for inflated prices so they can dump their brownstones for 5m instead of 3m

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:17 PM

Wall St is about status" --

Sorry but 'status' as a concern is far from limited to Wall St (although they might just be a bit more honest then you)

All the 'my neighborhood is better then yours'; 'People who live in the suburbs are a bunch of drones', 'Brooklyn' is to sanitized, etc, etc, etc-

Its all status related - you can deny it all you want but its all variations of the same theme - all a bunch of people trying to create a persona/image. The only ones your fooling is yourself and maybe the other lemmings in your circle.

There is no difference in:
driving a 18mpg Volvo or an 18mpg SUV;

Everyone wearing khakis, polo shirt with a sweater is just as 'drone like' as everyone wearing hemp jeans and Che Guevara T'shirts;

assuming everything America does is evil and greedy is the same as "America - love it or leave it"

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:18 PM

I think if you are really really rich it doesn't matter where you live because you are really really rich. However the almost really really rich need to impress their colleagues with the right clothes, the right car, the right girlfriend or wife, these guys are not moving to Brooklyn unless the Feds move in and confiscate their laptop.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:21 PM

Hello, I'm special!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:21 PM

@12:18.

Yes but it's more open in i-banking.
I work at a wall st i-bank and live in brooklyn. doesn't matter what neighborhood it is (it's a nice one, but not BH), i'm referred to as "brooklyn."

If you don't live in scarsdale, great neck, manhattan proper (and BH) you are looked down upon, which is bad in a place where it's important to fit in amongst egomaniacs.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:22 PM

I actually find this thread and the ones like it very entertaining.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:22 PM

people who have the time to troll blogs during the work day probably just won't get it.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:24 PM

Rehab, keep your boring brownstone talk to yourself, or within your group of 4 or 5 posters that actually care about brownstone houses.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:24 PM

12:22 makes an excellent point. My cousin works at an investment bank and lives in Brooklyn. His nickname is "Vinnie Barbarino" because of that. AND he always gets asked questions about "life in Brooklyn" as though he were some sort of exotic species.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:30 PM

12:22 - "open" or honest????

I mean look at the hostility here toward Manhattan (for "rich-douche bags", etc) or god forbid the suburbs. I can only imagine how holier then thou these posters are to their non-Brooklyn acquaintances.

All I am saying is that (unfortunately) many,many people are a bunch of envious, limited independent thinking drones and it is essentially irrelevant if your looking at the rich, the poor, the middle class, the left, the right or the centrist.

It is sad to say but for most people, life is an extension of H.S. so instead of the "Jocks", the "burnouts" and Geeks (or whatever variation you want) - you got the "Wall Sters", the "Creative types" and the "Lawyers" (or whatever variations you want) - and just like in H.S. each group loves to criticize the other for being 'losers' and 'a$$holes' while all wearing the same clothes, hanging in the same areas, and having the same views.

- Truly sad

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:34 PM

If people from Park Slope aren't high jacking threads bickering with with people from other neighborhoods they are on threads about Park Slope arguing with each other.... (Whiny PS voice)"Closer to Fifth Avenue is better," "No, closer to the Park is better," "Center Slope is better," "No, North Slope is better," "My brownstone is better." They are just so amazingly unpleasant. God forbid they come to Brooklyn Flea when that opens. They will just make the vibe so wrong.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:37 PM

I will be bringing my entire Park Slope posse to Brooklyn Flea.

You seem to be the most unpleasant poster on this thread so far.

You live in Park Slope?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:41 PM

12:22 here.

Alot of the anti-manhattan sentiments here on this site are typically unfounded. To each their own. If you prefer brooklyn, fine. But it's not perfect, which manhattan isn't either.

There typically is an attitude of superiority amongst manhattanites with regards to brooklyn. Which i have come to realize is the fact that many are transplants and it's been their life's dream to live in manhattan.

Any born and raised new yorker will say manhattan wasn't what it was, for better or worse.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:41 PM

isn't**

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:41 PM

I think we should vote Park Slope off the island.

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Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:43 PM

It is so true that Park Slopers high jack every thread. No matter what the topic, they somehow manage to insert something about their HELLISH neighborhood (i.e., bankers also like PS! or: why would you pay 800,000 for a brownstone in BedStuy when you can get a 2 bedroom condo in PARK SLOPE???), based on the premise that everyone secretly longs to live in PS, then spend the rest of the day lying about the commute time and talking about how wonderful and creative the community is.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:43 PM

well said 12:43

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:44 PM

agreed

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:45 PM

I think most Park Slopers would prefer it, 12:42.

The animosity and name-calling of the neighborhood and people is really the epitome of child-like and immature behavior.

Park Slope would continue to do just fine if voted off the island, as you say.

Clearly your mind revolves around reality television.

Says a lot.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:45 PM

What does Park Slope have besides nice, old architecture. The restaurants are for the most part terrible and the bars are filled with people FROM Park Slope, which makes them bad.

I would even go out on a limb and say i prefer hipsters over park slopers. and that's saying alot!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:49 PM

Maybe we could wall in all of Park Slope and let them torment themselves to death.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:50 PM

yeah, hipsters don't troll blogs and say bushwick is the best nabe in the tri state area

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:51 PM

So lets recap. Wall streeters are saving 2 million dollars buying brownstones in park slope instead of BH, and using the money saved to buy dinner everynight at blue ribbon sushi.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:54 PM

It has excellent traffic jams and wonderfully infrequent public transit. more park slope, please!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:54 PM

Actually the epitome of child lake behavior is being so selfish and self centered that you post on every thread that is not about Park Slope about how wonderful Park Slope is.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:56 PM

What's your post about 12:56?

Looks like Park Slope also.

See no mention of BH in your comment...

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:59 PM

It may be child-like but how dare you call it immature. You must be one of those PS creative types.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:59 PM

12:22 hits the nail on the head. I also like the posting about the guy who is nicknamed vinny barbarino because he lives in brooklyn.
they eat their young on wall street. you gotta be tough to make it there.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:00 PM

i went to a wall street party and maggie gyllenhall was there! she said peter skaaaarsgaaaard is dating heath ledger and that they are both moving to OPS because they don't like ornamental radiators and get too tired walking up stairs.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:04 PM

12:59 my post is about what an a-hole you are.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:08 PM

Why don't you all just get a life and move to Europe?

Brooklyn, Manhattan..... New York, America.... It's over Space Cadets!!!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:09 PM

Nobody I know from GS wants to live in BHS, they all want to live in PS and post on here to annoy all you sad little haters out there!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:13 PM

12:54 - I think you are the same person who trots out the old Blue Ribbon Sushi example every time someone dares to suggest Park Slope eateries are not the greatest in Brooklyn...

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:13 PM

i like 1:04's post best.

you forgot to mention that with the sudden departure of her former boyfriend, heath ledger, michelle williams is now working part-time at connecticut muffin.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:14 PM

Other terrific Park Slope eateries:

Moim
Al Di La
Covivium Osteria
La Taqueria
Applewood
Stone Park
Chiles and Chocolates
Oshima

What are the best restaurants in the Heights?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:17 PM

We don't need restaurants in the Heights. We got the cook to go with the townhouse.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:21 PM

I've I never hear "goldman sachs" again I'll be a happy guy. Their employees - those that survive to make MD - have no life, they burn out by 35. What good are sacks of money if you've got a perforated ulcer and don't even know your own kids, and are afraid to divorce your wife because she'll tell the IRS and the judge about your stash offshore?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:22 PM

Noodle Pudding is pretty good but I still prefer the idea of being served by michelle williams at connecticut muffin

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:23 PM

ARRGGHHHHHH. This is what I'm talking about. Now we're back to the old PS retaurant debate.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:23 PM

1:22 - Who the hell wants kids? There's enough in PS for all to share!!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:26 PM

Is the Heights Cafe still up there?

Used to like that place a lot.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:26 PM

1:14, actually, i ran into michelle williams when she was picketing the red hook ikea, and she told me that adrien grenier is the boerum hill stoop pooper!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:26 PM

I think Michelle is playing the blame game there 1:14

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:28 PM

oh yeah?

when she served up my cup o joe this morning she told me she's now dating jake (gyllenhall) and they are moving right next door to mags and peter.

heard they're all swingers. jennifer connelly and her hubby also.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:29 PM

1:22 - being afraid to divorce your wife b/c she'll get all your money is not GS specific - its a fear shared by working men everywhere

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:30 PM

I'm the stooper pooper!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:30 PM

12.18 - the volvo is safe, the SUV isn't. Its not about mpg. Everyone, except you, knows that.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:34 PM

1:30, 9:45 was so long ago, this thread is now only concerned with whether michelle is indeed the stooper pooper.

I always thought she would be that type when she used to be on halfwits Creek.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:37 PM

you mean dawson's crack?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:40 PM

What's an MD at GS?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:47 PM

miniature d*ck at goldman sachs.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:48 PM

Brooklyn is a backwater. Most Manhattan people have never been there and never will, and their lives will be no less rich because of it.

Brooklyn is just another overprice suburb.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:49 PM

but you read and post comments on a blog entirely about brooklyn.

how interesting...

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:51 PM

Blue Ribbon? Is that like Masa?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:53 PM

First of all, this blog is not about Brooklyn, or the 75% of it that isn't included in its discussions.

Secondly, as someone who drops in from time to time, it's like coming across 500 monks arguing about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin. WHO CARES!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 1:55 PM

Sorry to have to feel I might as well weigh in on this overly long thread. Considering the small size of FG, there are many people in finance and many lawyers working at large firms who now live in FG. Yes, there are "buppies" and noticeably "mixed" couple which is wonderful. FG continues to be a neighborhood where people who might not "fit in" elsewhere can feel more comfortable.

Also, remember, there are those who do not have to "make" their money working. There are relatively wealthy people living in many places. The boomer generation spawned many (of us) form certain backgrounds we rejected to some extent. For example, we have a friend who is an artist and who just bought a building in Red Hook! She didn’t sell her other places. She wanted to be able to live and work sometimes in a big space with a view of the water.

Personally, I find BH kind of boring with very perfunctory restaurants (and some bad ones) and a general blandness. We go all over (and Manhattan of course) so living in FG is not a prison sentence.

When the parents of young couples (art students and such with no real job history) are buying two and three million houses for them...well… That's how it goes.

A late friend of ours, a billionaire, liked to visit us and even slept in a TWIN bed! Granted, he belonged to every country club in California, but he liked stopping off to visit and have a regular stay without all the fanfare.

This younger set seems not to realize that the wealthy are sometimes trying to get away from it. Granted, one thing I've worried about is if the very wealthy who visit or live in Brooklyn will somehow be vulnerable to crime, etc. but I guess that can happen anywhere.

A friend who lives on Staten Island felt that the very wealthy would not live any place there is not surveillance. Is this true?! Is this the idea circulating among the upper middle class?

TheGrammarLady

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:00 PM

I have heard about a bunch of people in Brooklyn Heights interested in installing video cameras on the outside of their townhouses.

That's all I know about it though.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:03 PM

what is it about Park Slopers that they must get into EVERY DAMN THREAD?

it's an illness people. shut the f up already.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:04 PM

TheGrammarLday:

I gave up reading your post somewhere in the middle of the first paragraph.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:07 PM

If you'll notice, 2:04...take a look at the latest thread on the house for sale on Sterling...

Someone mentioned they'd rather have a 3 bedroom in Park Slope over that house to "get it out of the way." It was certainly not someone from Park Slope saying it, I don't believe, and many times people just want to start something for the heck of it.

You need to go with the flow. No one has mentioned Park Slope for the past 20 comments. So why are you still talking about it?

You just want to add fuel to the fire.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:07 PM

The only thing ParkSlopers have to say to defend themselves about how BHS is better is that BHS is "boring"

I find Park Slope to be equally as boring, if not more so. And at least i don't have to listen to BHSers talk about how their mediocre restaurants are top notch.

Face it PS, you will never hold a candle to BHS.

And enough out of the FG/CH peanut gallery. It's at least two notches below PS.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:24 PM

"I find Park Slope to be equally as boring, if not more so. And at least i don't have to listen to BHSers talk about how their mediocre restaurants are top notch."

1. Neighborhoods are not boring. Just the people who live in them.

2. BH residents don't talk about their "mediocre restaurants" because they have none. The few that they have are all below average.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:32 PM

what is BHS anyway?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:34 PM

Yeah Yeah Riiiiiight. The bonuses will save housing... Bah Bah Bah...
Enjoy the holidays because 2008 is going to rip your faces off! The FED cut a quarter point today and the market is being taken to the wood shed.

Lower Wall St bonuses, layoffs to hurt NYC housing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7126653

Keep fucking dreaming, fucktards!

The What

Someday this war is going to end...

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:38 PM

2:32. Noodle Pudding is one of the best in Brooklyn...and it's in Brooklyn Heights!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:45 PM

alright cool. noodle pudding.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:50 PM

Mr. What,
PLEASE with the language!
With regards,
TheGrammarLady

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:57 PM

BH residents eat out in Manhattan.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:57 PM

TheGrammarLady,
PLEASE with the insane grammar; I couldn't get past the first line of your post.
With regards,
Me

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:09 PM

"Mr. What,
PLEASE with the language!
With regards,
TheGrammarLady"

Well... I don't think the sheep get it so, fuck it!

WaMu laying off 3,150; closing home loan stores
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2004063925_webwamu.html

Yep, They will come it and buy at the asking price. LMMFAO! BTW I will try to chill Grammar Lady.

The What

Someday this war is gonna end....

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:10 PM

The What,

Did you hear that 'Hearts of Darkness' is finally out on DVD?

Coming in the midst of the housing crises - a coincidence?

What think you?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:18 PM

The heights has nicer buildings than park slope but punches WAY below its weight in restaurants, bars, retail, etc. Calling out Noodle Pudding as the showcase restaurant of your neighborhood pretty much says it all. I live in BH.

Didnt get the memo that all BH residents were supposed to eat out in Manhttan. I pretty much always eat out in Brooklyn.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:24 PM

Grammar Lady,

Why? Why did you write all of that. The whole thing was way too revealing of yourself. I don't think you have any idea how awful that was.

Me

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:31 PM

Yeah, we know the BH restaurants aren't generally good. Why is that? I'm especially confused about Henry Street, where Noodle and Henry's End are good, (and the Ale House too) but those other store fronts keep turning over, from one failure to the next. Don't people in north BH want to be able to eat out at a place within easy walking distance from home?

And the housing generally is prettier in BH than PS, by a pretty big margin.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:33 PM

I agree that Brooklyn Heights has some really stunning architecture.

BUT...I think it says an enormous amount about a neighborhood that despite its extremely wealthy residents, it is unable to support and sustain quality restaurants, bars or retail within its borders.

It says to me that Brooklyn Heights is a bedroom community. Without Manhattan, Brooklyn Heights is nothing.

The reason some prefer Park Slope is that it is an all-inclusive neighborhood. It feels like a neighborhood and has all the amenities that a thriving neighborhood should have.

You might not like Park Slope, but it is what it is. A nice neighborhood.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:36 PM

BH is the most beautiful brownstone neighborhood. Everybody knows this. And deep inside everybody agrees.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:38 PM

Mr. What,

I have often found that the articles that you indicate in your posts often do not exactly support your point.

Did you fully read the article at http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7126653
?

I read it and it seems to imply Manhattan real estate is not going to plummet at all, that there might be a bit of a decrease on studios and one-bedroom apartments...maybe, but not much. The article addresses the fact that there is a tight housing market in Manhattan which will continue to exist even with a slowdown. It seems to me an "up" Manhattan market will keep the downtown Brooklyn prices bouyant.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:40 PM

BH residents eat at our offices in the city or at dinner in the city with clients.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:42 PM

They eat alone at their cubicles.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:44 PM

3:36. Let's not get carried away with BH and the lack of restaurants. It is, after all, boardered by two neighborhoods that have places (Court Street, and to a lesser extent, Dumbo).

And until 5th Ave came along, the restaurants in PS sucked too. Five-seven years ago PS was no different than BH is now, and 7th ave has always been blah.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:47 PM

I was wondering where The What was. Its been a long thread and we hadn't heard from you. I was getting worried something might have happened to you....

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:49 PM

i don't mind 7th avenue.

the middle stretch is a bit blah i guess, but i like practically everything north of 1st street and everything south of 9th street.

there are some good places on 7th. you just have to look a little harder.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 3:51 PM

I live in BH. My husband is an MD at a top investment bank (not GS). We love BH but still get curious looks when people find out we live in Brooklyn...until they come to our home! Then all those Manhattanites and posh Suburbians are speechless.

ps- we mostly cook at home (ourselves) or order in, it would be nice to have some more good restaurants but really not a major concern.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:05 PM

maybe they aren't speechless because of your lovely home, but because of your incredible modesty?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:11 PM

I can't believe Brooklyn Heights comes as a surprise to anyone in New York. My parents wanted to buy there in the mid-1960's but couldn't afford it. To them, it was a posh neighborhood that happened to be in Brooklyn. For anyone that is surprised to find out about BH, they are not New Yorkers and don't know the city.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:13 PM

Did you fully read the article at http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7126653
?
Yes I fucking did! Real Estate is FUCKING TOAST!!! It's OVER OVER and DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I was wondering where The What was. Its been a long thread and we hadn't heard from you. I was getting worried something might have happened to you...."

Well.. the fine people of this blog told me to find a job. No really, I have been busy with my business.

Oh Look at the Markets now. The FED only cut a quarter point. People are being taken to the wood shed. I very shocked how fast the market reacted to this news. Maybe it over.

The What

Someday this war is gonna end....

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:13 PM

Am I the only person who thinks our restaurants in BH are just fine?
If you want really fancy you take a short stroll to River Cafe. Otherwise there's Petite Marche, Noodle Pudding, Henry's End, Queen, Jack the Horse, Heights Cafe, Lantern, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting. We also have two terrific diners (for comfort food), three brothers burgers, and Teresa's. I guess people on this blog want macrobiotic Zen noveau Sri Lankan.
SOOOO pretentious.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:20 PM

4:05...let me get this straight...MD's or those making in the millions who live in Manahattan or 10,000 sf spreads in Greenwich are "speechless" when they come to see your house?

hmmm....these guys really do spend all their time at the office then.

i like me a brownstone as much as the next guy, but to be honest, most of the "speechless" kinda places i've been to were on the upper east side, tribeca or soho.

brownstones, while lovely...are quite predictable.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:22 PM

4:20 three brothers? do you mean 5 guys?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:22 PM

Nope, but some decent sushi would be nice.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:23 PM

4:20...most of those places you mentioned are the equivalent of saying we have a macaroni grill, bob evans and a red lobster.

those places you mention are fine.

not good, but fine.

they are the kindof restaurant one would expect in inwood, not in one of the wealthiest enclaves in the city.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:29 PM

I don't get it. There are physicians working at Goldman Sachs? WTF is an MD at Goldman?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:35 PM

FG/Grammar Lady: TMI! TMI! No one cares who your richie friends are, or that they loove FG.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:36 PM

I've haven't been so impressed by Park Slope restaurants. And whoever said it was a wasteland 5-7 years ago is right. My family ate so-so Chinese delivery for years and years.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:39 PM

i'm not sure the city's own billionaire mayor has ever been to ft. greene, much less your friend, grammar "lady."

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:40 PM

Oshima Sushi on 7th and Berkeley is some of the best sushi in New York City.

Bar none.

Like it better than Blue Ribbon and it's half the cost.

Al Di La is still my favorite restaurant in Brooklyn.

Brooklyn's version to Manhattan's Lupa...another of my favorites.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:42 PM

Hey 11:20,

Try the Battery Tunnel. F'n speedy to downtown. Costs some dosh, though.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:42 PM

i'm sorry. I have friends in PS and have eaten at all the "good" restaurants. There is nothing there noteworthy that would tip the scales in a BH vs PS pissing contest.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:53 PM

maybe they take their town cars over to tribeca.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:53 PM

4:35 - MD=Managing Director. Title usually comes with running a business or just making lots of money. Usually means minimum compensation of $1mm.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:02 PM

4:34 - Try Hibino. Just south of Atlantic on Henry. I know that's technically Cobble Hill, but they have the unique gimmick of a Japanese restaurant that's run by Japanese. Their sushi is good and different with the pressed sushi being one of my favorites.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:06 PM

The worst Manhattan restaurants are still better than any Park Slope joint I've ever been to. The fact that that shitty Italo-trash joint La Villa, on 5th Avenue, is always packed is BEYOND ME. Apparently there is demand for that greasy, bland, sorry excuse for food. And the Ale House? They're nice folks but my burger has always been super bland. How do you screw up a burger?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:22 PM

easy, 5:22.

ever been to mcdonalds?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:23 PM

5:22. Right, no shitty places in Manhattan. Yeah, every one of those places on the LES is a gem. Sure. No lame burgers to be had on the island of Manhattan. No sir.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:30 PM

Bonnie's Grill in PS makes a damn good burger.

As does 12th Street Bar and Grill.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:32 PM

McDonald's is delicious--it's bad for you, but tasty, tasty, tasty. Finger-lickin' good.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:34 PM

the Golden Crust on Fulton and Nostrand is excellent and Daft Punk is playing a secret show there and people that move to Brooklyn are racist and Duane Reade and god and the bible.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:36 PM

you sound fun, 5:36.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:38 PM

NY ain't nothing but Bitches and Money

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:41 PM

So, does this thread take the record for most-commented post ever? All it takes is mention of Wall Streeters & BH or Park Slope to get all the kiddies beating each other up.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:48 PM

thought it was bitches 'n ho's?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:49 PM

All kidding aside, I happened to find myself on Pierrepont street the other day and was amazed at how beautiful Brooklyn Heights really was. I wish I could afford it. But then again, I wouldn't want to be surrounded by a homogeneous group of Wall Streeters anyway.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:52 PM

“FG/Grammar Lady: TMI! TMI! No one cares who your richie friends are, or that they loove FG.
Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:36 PM”

“i'm not sure the city's own billionaire mayor has ever been to ft. greene, much less your friend, grammar "lady."
Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 4:40 PM”

**********************
Frankly, I am shocked at the innocence (and knowitall attitude) of what I assume is the younger side of the readership on this site. To 4:40PM, why would you think that people who are wealthy do not visit their friends? Is it because they somehow have too much money to visit places lower on the scale than 10021 or Palm Beach? Goodness. Even very wealthy people travel everywhere, especially if they are not well known in the press or on TV.

Speaking of which, has TV seemingly brainwashed you kids to think that the very wealthy are constantly flying around in private helicopters and jets? Very wealthy people, especially getting older, don't necessary want to be flashy or draw attention to themselves or even, necessarily, want to be isolated or cut off from society. Our late friend I was referring to above would rent a boring car when he flew in from California. He didn't live in an enormous house on the West Coast and he shunned having residences all over the country. He liked visiting his friends and would stay in hotels if need be. Yes, he spent quite a bit on art and travel but he didn't sit down to eat caviar every night on his private jet.

Just as the lady above mentioned that her husband is a managing director, they live in Brooklyn Heights, and they mostly cook at home. Now, I doubt they’re very, very wealthy but they are surely very comfortable. They’re not running around to the highest end restaurants every night because 1) they’re probably glad to get to spend time at home together 2) shun flashiness 3) not nouveau riche or young enough that running around is that appealing any more. It seems they take pride in their home which is fine.

As I pointed about above, please realize there are very wealthy families buying houses for their kids who do not really make a living of their own. They are not squeaking through some loan process. They’re plunking down two to three million dollars in places like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, etc., and yes, Fort Greene. It may be a sad reality for those who have to work hard to make ends meet and watch rents increasing so fast. I’m frankly sorry that this is happening. I really am. It’s like a great train wreck happening in slow motion while they are pushing the engine to go at record-breaking speed.

To Mr. What,
Please clean up your language. Why does an adult have to carry on the way you do? It is very unpleasant. It turns off a number of people so they stop listening.

TheGrammarLady

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:53 PM

And PS
Yes, the mayor has been to Fort Greene.

TGL

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 5:55 PM

it was a joke, grammar "lady"

but thanks for the novel on old money vs. new.

i think you need to get out a little more.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:04 PM

I stopped reading GrammerLady's post maybe three sentences in. Got tired.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:07 PM

"Novel on old money vs. new"? You mean "essay". And it was NOT about "old" vs. "new" money. There is a lot of so-called rather new money out there with their kids or grandkids who do not work (are in grad programs forever it seems...or other endeavors) and live in downtown Brooklyn without being flashy. And, frankly, some "old" money can be very flashy and ridiculous, especially the younger set getting into all sorts of trouble. It depends to some extent on personalities.

Why I do I bother? Have reading skills fallen off the chart? Kids who can't read more than a couple of sentences before their eyes glaze over?
Hhhh...
TGL

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:15 PM

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Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:30 PM

I just had a piece of jarlsberg. It was so fresh, buttery, and absolutely delicious. I am in love.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:41 PM

IN CONCLUSION:

BH is the best neighborhood in Manhattan.
PS is the best neighborhood in Brooklyn.
FG is the F'in G-hetto.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:43 PM

I think TGL came out from under the same rock as The What.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:44 PM

I just ran into Steve Buscemi in Park Slope. He said BH is for mama's boys.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:47 PM

Grammar Lady, please don't pick on The What. He might be a little rough-around-the-edges, but he's right and he's fun. Just cover your dainty, precious eyes when his posts come up.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:48 PM

I'm heading over to the McDonald's on 4th Ave. right now. I've heard so much about the great restaurants in Park Slope today that I can't wait. I hope I see some of those celebrities you all name-drop!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 6:55 PM

Too bad you can't supersize the fries anymore. Damn Morgan Spurlock.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 7:04 PM

Mmmmmmm. Mmmmmmmmm. McD's cheeseburgers are the best... my mouth is watering. I'm getting saliva all over the keyboard.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 7:33 PM

On second thought:

http://health.yahoo.com/news/reuters/cancer_meat_dc.html

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 7:39 PM

Why exactly do we care where Goldman execs live? Taxes are lower in CT and NJ so if I was raking it in and had very little ability to shelter my income I guess I would probably live in one of those states and avoid Brooklyn altogether. Suburban real estate taxes wouldn't offset the large chunk of change that NYC and NYS takes out of high earner's pockets. I wonder if Bloomberg used his NYC address as his legal address the whole time when he was supporting the family in Westchester? Hmmm. And yes the Mayor was spotted in FG on many ocassions. Remember BAM is in FG. When BH was no longer the chic place to live in the city of Brooklyn BAM moved over to the nicer neighborhood where the gentry class shacked up. This was back in the day. Some agree now and others don't. And yes, even GS MDs are just working for a living. I would agree with Grammer Lady that probably more trustifarians are probably living well in FG than they are in stuff old BH. FG is hipper. And don't go bragging about your happening Henry's End folks. But I really couldn't care less. BH is super nice of course. Not a competition. And if it were I think the sales price variations in the various neighborhoods speak for themselves.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 7:42 PM

I think it is interesting how much we NYers want to sum every neighborhood up in terms of who lives there and what they are like. I do it myself all the time. PS is for stroller moms, BH is republican, etc.

The fact is there is nothing definite about these assumptions. BH has always had more money but not everyone who lives there is uber-rich. Even if they were, why do we have to make assumptions about who they are as people. Heck, they are subsidizing the people who live in poorer areas that many would want to say are more "real" or "cultural".

I have been very patriotic about areas of the city where i lived. I thought I was better or more open minded than other crackers because I was white and lived in Bed-Stuy. Like somehow that would make me less racist.

Bullshit.

I am a racist and that proved it to me. I don't think other people are inferior I just don't want to be living in a world I'm not a part of. I like certain groups of people more than others. I like to be around people that are similar to me. Most people want that to some degree.

The GS people are the same way. It's a nice neighborhood with an easy commute. Are they all the same? Is Brownsville or Bensonhurst any less homogeneous?

Theres so much snobbery running through every part of this city. 23 year olds in Greenpoint that have lived there 2 years are pissed about all the yuppies coming in. The RE hobbyists on this site are totally blind to the fact that PS still has a lot of PR's. Everyone wants to think they own and understand their little 'hood. It's fucking ghetto street gang mentality in the hands of the righteous. It's actually pretty funny.

Oh, i forgot this is a great place to spread hate so fuck you Brooklyn. You wish you could live in the city you dirty wogs. You are fags!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 7:44 PM

"When bankers get together for dinner, they discuss Art. When artists get together for dinner, they discuss money."

- Oscar Wilde

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 8:44 PM

7:44 you were sort of on a roll, until the end.

The reason people get so bitchy, self-righteous and judgmental is because they are insecure with their choices in life and with themselves, frankly. If you're truly satisfied and content with your decisions, why criticize people who are different, or who have made different decisions? Most assholes calling others hipsters or yuppies are themselves hipsters or yuppies, but don't see it. Most people who criticize investment bankers are envious of their material wealth. Women who deride stroller moms are probably resentful because they chose not to have kids, or maybe they feel left out. And the list goes on and on and on. It's human nature, unfortunately. It's always been that way.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 8:57 PM

Why does this particular tipster think that an observation about one particular transacton equals some sort of trend? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 9:22 PM

Best. Brownstoner. Thread. Ever.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 9:23 PM

However, it's also human nature to feel comfortable with people who have similar values, interests, professions, etc. It's understandable. Everyone does it. It's not wrong--as long as you don't discriminate against other.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 9:28 PM

Clinton Hill is the best neighborhood. Ft Greene is the best. Park Slope is the best. Cobble Hill is the best. Brooklyn Heights is the best. Bed Stuy is the best. My brownstone is better than your apt. My job is better than yours. My kids are smarter and go to better schools. Jesus people; be thankful you all aren't in a box in some park right now trying to stay warm. Happy Holidays indeed.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:11 PM

Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:20 PM

That hedge fund guy who hosted the Obama fundraiser recently? He's seriously rich with a seriously nice house. I don't know if I've ever seen a house (and art) like that.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:22 PM

Oscar Wilde had it almost right.

When bankers get together they discuss money.

When artists get together they discuss money.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:27 PM

TO: ALL BROWNSTONER READERS

BREAKING NEWS:

The Brooklyn Heights restaurant selection is driven by the DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN LUNCH CROWD.

You know, the people who work in the court systems, the municipal buildings, etc.

Ergo Teresas, Mr. Souvlaki (RIP) and the other nastiness that abounds on Montague Street and Court Street.

Wake up people!

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:31 PM

@8:44 that's beautiful

@10:11 I like to think we're all above average to paraphrase Garrison. Makes everyone happy.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:44 PM

What I like about living in BH is that I don't have to agonize about how cool it is. And when I want cool, I just call a black car to take me there.

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 10:44 PM

Brooklyn Heights is really beautiful...

Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 11:41 PM

Brooklyn Heights is actually kinda shabby. A few nice houses thrown in here4 and there, but overall it's a bit frumpy and, well, shabby...

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 1:36 AM

OMG.by the time i got to the last entry I forgot what the original posting was all about. my goodness people...get a life. all of you

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 7:55 AM

The Grammar Lady knows what she's talking about. I'm a Wall Streeter and I live in Park Slope. There are numerous Wall Streeters on my block. My tenant is a Wall Streeter too. When I lived in Cobble Hill, it was also packed with bankers.

There also plenty of creative types, as well as high-level city and state workers (people who run things), a judge, a couple of shrinks and doctors, a couple of Googlers (or whatever you call Google employees giddy on Google stock options), and a bunch of lawyers (the lawyers seem to be everywhere. There are also a fair number of trust fund types. people in grad school or creative jobs or not-for-profit jobs who's parents basically bought the co-op or brownstone for them. PS seems to be full of these people. When I was on a co-op board, every single new buyer had big-time parent support.

The thing I like about PS (and I think my neighbors share this enthusiasm) is that although there is enormous wealth there, it is pretty low-key compared to what you see in the burbs - it's all relative. Also, for all the talk about lack of diversity in PS, at least in my experience, it is much more racially and ethnically diverse than other comparably affluent areas.

I make the commute to the Wall Street area every day. It's 30 minutes during rush hour from PS, much shorter from BH.

Not all Wall Streeters are about flash and status. In fact, most are quite modest in lifestyle despite the wealth that comes with the career. We mainly just want to work hard, build wealth, provide for our family's futures, and live a comfortable, secure lifestyle. Most of us are well aware that the party could end anytime, and therefore we live well below our means. Brooklyn provides an ideal enviroment for all of the above. In return, we actively support community orgs and Brooklyn charities with our money and time. Like it or not, we are a vital part of the today's Brooklyn community, and we're here to stay.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 9:58 AM

I've never met a Wall Streeter w/ your sense of ethics in person.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 10:03 AM

Park Slope is a great neighborhood. It's the granola eating people that live there that suck.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 10:08 AM

This news flash is about as cutting edge as it would be to call Soho 'up and coming.' Born and bred in the Heights with a lot of Wall streeters kids. The only news flash is that the rest of you discovered the neighborhood much to the natives chagrin.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 10:16 AM

Jersey City is the new Brooklyn

truth.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 10:57 AM

To the person who wrote the recent 9:58 AM comments today 12/12/07, thank you for your understanding. There were a couple of more sensible people on this topic who seemed to be able to relate their personal experiences.

You are correct that there are many oldsters buying property for their youngsters! This is what many people do not apparently seem to realize.

I'm not sure why my statements exposed me to such vitriol and denials from what I would call "angry youth". I was simply pointing out things from my own experiences.

I feel uncomfortable reading things that make it seem so many people have preconceived ideas and assumptions about people who happen to have over-average wealth, be it inherited or earned, things that just do not hold true. People will not necessarily choose to live in ostentatious mega-houses just because they can afford it. If you live in huge houses, you need staff. And a lot of people who grew up with household staff all the time don’t want to live that way later on because you can end up having no privacy and there are so many complications.

It’s very irksome reading the tone of the comments on this site that battle around the money-lines. The writers are doing themselves a disservice. They also cannot conceive of what is really going on around them if they stay this ignorant.

TheGrammarLady

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 12:26 PM

Did i see someone describe BH as shabby?
That's the most absurd comment i've heard in a good while.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 12:32 PM

Please, let 'em think it's shabby ... they can move to sparkling Billyburg with the rest of the Vermonters I mean Brooklynites.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 1:19 PM

Yes...it has shabby edges. NYC is a rather shabby city even in nice areas. It's not a well managed city esthetically. Aside from the horrors of nouveau-riche redos of townhouses on the UES, many areas of the UES that are in decent places are shabby. Only very specific places are completely manicured and perfect. The UES has some real ugliness too. Come on, BH has shabby areas. It's not shanty-town shabbiness...but there are plenty of townhouse that have had very mediocre treatment serving as apartment houses for some many decades.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 5:53 PM

"Did i see someone describe BH as shabby?"

Yep, that was me. I'll say it again. It's shabby. Since I work in advertising, here's a free slogan for ya:

Brooklyn Heights.
Close to Manhattan.
Far from interesting.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 5:58 PM

The wall streeters worth talking about live in Greenwich, CT people. They've heard about the cutsie neighborhoods in brooklyn, and may buy a place for their trust fund children - but they will never themselves live here. Now if you're calling the low level associates and VPs (1 to 3 or so yrs out of college) "the wall streeters" - you're giving them much too much credit - they've not yet earned the right - they're still getting us coffee - so of course these neighborhoods are fitting for them; they can feel superior to the artsy fartsy types who like to believe they live among "bankers"!

Sure, you have a few public finance banking underwriters etc in BH, but believe me the money(wo)men are not in Brooklyn.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 6:44 PM

Me thinks 6:44 is right on the money.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 7:47 PM

Well, 6:44, I cannot speak for the upper executives of financial companies but please consider the fact that there many very wealthy people in Brooklyn. Brooklyn is not completely off the map. It may be for certain sets of the population of course and that is why we like them to live in Greenwich (which, along with Westport, is duller than dust and horrible in its own way, truly boring, but considered "safe").

Visiting friends in CT over the years where they live down a winding road in Ridgefield. We watched the progress of the construction of a new house which looked to be a ski lodge/chalet-like mini mall, kind of like what one sees at ski resorts and shopping in Lake Placid. It sprawled all around an ugly fake pond. It looked as though there should have been a fake water wheel turning slowly and a german style restaurant as part of the complex. Ugly, but a house. Sad. It got built, finished...maybe not as ugly once it was completed and landscaped but still ridiculous and sprawling.

There is an uglier one not far off trying to pawn itself off as a castle. Hilarious!

Of course, in Ridgefield there are also lots of high-end, columned, gabled roofed drywall mansions, some placed very near one another...

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 8:16 PM

6:44 - so public finance doesn't get paid, true. But where are you? MBS, ABS or CDO? I think your bonus is close to 0. At least if you're on this blog.

Posted by: guest at December 12, 2007 11:28 PM

wow, 5:58... with copywriting skills like that, i'll bet your advertising career is pretty shabby, too. by the way, the xerox is out of paper again.

Posted by: guest at December 13, 2007 9:07 AM

This post is the only interesting thing on brownstoner as of late.
it should be bumped back to the first page.

Posted by: guest at December 13, 2007 10:57 AM

From the NYT in 1982:

IF YOU'RE THINKING OF LIVING IN: BROOKLYN HEIGHTS

By DAVID BIRD
Published: November 21, 1982

LONGTIME residents, and very often new visitors, use words like stability and dignity to describe Brooklyn Heights. They also say it is convenient.

Brooklyn Heights is a 50-square-block plateau studded with well-preserved and elegant brownstone houses just across the East River from Manhattan. From many of the brownstones there are spectacular views of New York Bay and of lower Manhattan's financial towers, where many Heights residents work.

But the Heights is more than bankers and brokers. Its pleasant brownstones have attracted a diverse population that includes such people as Norman Mailer, who lives and writes there, and Victor Gotbaum, the leader of the largest municipal union, District Council 37 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

It is a five-minute subway ride form Wall Street to the Heights, but workers from lower Manhattan had made the area New York's first suburb long before the commuting was that easy.

[blah blah blah]

Posted by: guest at December 13, 2007 11:51 AM

Problem here is that too many people believe the stereotypes they read about in the NYTimes or see on TV. They think they can spot monied people by the clothes they wear or the cars they drive. That is completely misguided. Brownstone Brooklyn provides the perfect camouflage if you really just want to lead a nice, safe, family-oriented, existance, without nearly as much of the keeping up with the Jones that comes with Manhattan or Greenwich.

Posted by: guest at December 13, 2007 1:59 PM

Hey, can we PLEASE get back on point here. I am an excessivley overpaid investment banker. I live in the Heights and adore the restaurants - even if we only get delivery because we hate to leave our 22,000 square foot townhouse with all of those flat screen TVs. My daughter IS Maggie Gyllenhall. My only problem is that I couldn't get hired by Goldman Sachs, I am just a MD at some other second rate firm - what a disaster.

Posted by: guest at December 14, 2007 9:14 AM

Brownstoner,
You should have a link on your main front page with "Longest Threads" linked just like you have for archived pages.

Posted by: guest at December 14, 2007 9:46 AM

this thread was just mentioned in a bloomberg top story. now you have the world reading your ridiculous rants...

Posted by: guest at December 14, 2007 11:04 AM

Amazing!

Go Team!!!

Posted by: guest at December 14, 2007 2:25 PM

11:04,
What? No link address? Which Bloomberg top story? Do tell!

Posted by: guest at December 14, 2007 2:32 PM

11:04,
Don't bothuh...

WOOHOO...BROOKLYN IN THE HOUSE!

Here it is Folks!:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aAzGOK3UYne4

A Goldman Banker Moves to Brooklyn, Bloggers Go Ape: Joe Mysak

Commentary by Joe Mysak

Dec. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Who's moving in?

Perhaps no other question is as central to the future of our cities and towns. Some seem to think that the best way to achieve urban renewal is to attract young, single, artsy or gay people.

More often than not, though, the question about who's moving in is tied up with fear and suspicion, hostility and resentment. At one time or another, New Yorkers have worried about White People, the English, the Irish, the Italians, the Jews, the Blacks, the Puerto Ricans.

And now, at least one neighborhood in America is worried about the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. bankers.

You just knew it would come to this.

On Dec. 11, a blog about Brooklyn real estate and renovation called ``Brownstoner'' carried the following item: ``We got an e-mail a few days ago from a regular tipster who's always been right in the past so we're tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt this time around. While pointing us in the direction of a recent sale on Joralemon Street, he noted that the buyer happened to be a Goldman Sachs executive.''

The entry continued: ``This was, he claimed, part of a trend that's seen members of the city's most successful investment bank crossing the East River (more than usual) in recent months to buy a piece of the rock in Brooklyn Heights.'' Another broker told the blogger that he knew of at least two other recent deals involving Goldman bankers.

`Special Button'

The blogger, Jonathan Butler, an ex-banker and journalist who launched the site in October 2004, concluded: ``The only bank where bonuses are expected to rise significantly this season, Goldman bankers and traders are certainly in the best position to snap up those $5 million-plus houses. Think there's anything to this `trend' or has it just always been so?''

The item was posted at 9:32 a.m., under a nice little photo of, what else, a row of brownstone facades.

And then -- explosion. The ``Comments'' section, where readers write in offering their opinions, had 17 posts in the first hour, 70 items by noon. By midnight, 231 comments had been posted, at least ostensibly about Goldman bankers moving into Brooklyn Heights.

``There are usually a couple of posts a week that generate 100+ comments, but it takes a special button being pressed to clear 200,'' Butler said in an e-mail to me. He thought the response was close to a record.

Blame the Wives

Some people said they weren't surprised, that if Goldman bankers were going to choose any neighborhood in Brooklyn, they would choose the Heights because it has the best housing stock and is very close to Goldman's downtown offices, a subway stop or two away.

This being the blogosphere, of course, disputes arose.

Some commentators -- almost all of whom were signed in anonymously as ``guest'' -- said that Wall Street bankers don't take the train. ``When talking about these Goldman Sachs types car transportation is the only thing that matters. My father, who is 75, is one of them and I think you can count on one hand the times he has set foot on a subway or bus in his life.''

Others threw water on the entire notion.

``The reality is that 95 percent of Wall Streeters don't live in Brooklyn and only a few more live in Manhattan. The vast majority of Wall Street live in the suburbs of Westchester, Northern New Jersey and Long Island,'' said one reader.

Another observed: ``From what I hear, many of the execs would not mind living in Brooklyn but their wives absolutely veto the notion. It is seen as declasse and inconvenient by them.''

Most Annoying Neighborhood

One reader wrote that bankers also liked Park Slope. This resulted in a fierce rejoinder, one writer calling Park Slope ``the most annoying neighborhood in Brooklyn,'' while another asked ``why Park Slope tries to highjack every thread,'' or topic for discussion. One writer wrote ``park slope'' 44 times.

There were the inevitable comments on restaurants, or lack of them, and celebrity sightings, both real and imaginary: the actor Maggie Gyllenhaal, who lives in Park Slope, the journalist Jim Grant, who lives in Brooklyn Heights, and, inexplicably, television screamer Jim Cramer, who actually lives in New Jersey. The writer admitted the Cramer sighting ``sounds crazy.''

And then, as always happens on the Internet, it was over. Just before midnight, one person wrote, ``Brooklyn Heights is really beautiful,'' and at 1:36 in the morning another wrote ``Brooklyn Heights is actually kinda shabby.''

The Goldman Sachs/Brooklyn Heights storm had blown itself out.

(Joe Mysak is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Joe Mysak in New York at jmysakjr@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: December 14, 2007 00:04 EST

[UPDATE: THERE WERE ACTUALLY ALMOST 30 MORE COMMENTS POSTED TO THE THREAD AFTER MYSAK, JR. STOPPED LOOKING AT IT...THE "Goldman Sachs/Brooklyn Heights storm had (NOT QUITE) blown itself out."

Posted by: guest at December 14, 2007 6:18 PM

We went "ape"?!...That's nice...

Mr. Butler y Brownstone, you *are* going to put the article link on Monday's press section, aren't you?

Got to give the fans what they want!

Posted by: guest at December 14, 2007 6:23 PM

What a lame ass article. The writer didn't even get the more interesting sub-debates that developed in this wildly entertaining thread. Too bad.

Having said that, my quote was published. My 15-minutes have come and gone!

Posted by: guest at December 14, 2007 7:16 PM

Agreed... Jersey City is the next Brooklyn.

Posted by: guest at December 30, 2007 12:03 AM

I will also 3rd that. Jersey City is the place to be. Closer to NYC that park slope and 1/3 the cost. Beautiful browstones and cheaper closing costs. No mortgage tax.

Posted by: guest at December 31, 2007 2:32 PM

there goes the neighborhood

Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 4:02 PM