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December 10, 2007
4th Avenue Sites Primed for New Construction
As a recent article in The Times pointed out, 4th Avenue’s transformation from unwelcoming “badlands” to gentrified condo-and-latte row is occurring at warp speed. Between the new condos and coffee shops, it’s almost impossible to keep up with the changes. And the same goes for keeping tabs on some of the buildings that are being torn to make way for the thoroughfare’s new construction, as the photos above show. Over the course of the past couple of months, buildings between Butler and Douglass and on the corner of 6th Street have been leveled to make way for new construction. An 11-story, 94-unit multi-use building designed by Ismael Leyva (of Oro fame) is planned for the site between Butler and Douglass, according to recent DOB filings. And while there hasn’t been a new building permit issued for the 6th Street property, a contractor on the site who we chatted with last week said “it’s definitely going to be condos.” Can’t say we’re shocked.
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they are also about to start building on 4th and 8th. They already took out demo permits so any day now the plywood will probably be going up.workers have been in and out for 2 weeks.
Posted by: guest at December 10, 2007 11:44 AM
Does anyone know what will go up on 4th Avenue and Warren Street? The one-story building that was there was taken down last spring, and there has been a large foundation laid already, but then no movement/action at all for the past few months. I heard a rumor it would be 6 stories of condos - can anyone confirm?
Posted by: Jen KG at December 10, 2007 11:54 AM
I have nothing against this 4th ave development. But I hope it doesn't drive out my tire spots. If that happens, where will I go to get my flat fixed?
It also seeems like a lot of these developmetns will end up rentals (as we can see).
Stonehenge, why don't you look into whether the developers or DOE is planning more schools to accomodate all of these new residences on 4th Ave? Seems with the increase of people living in the area, schools are getting very tight?
Posted by: guest at December 10, 2007 12:01 PM
12:01
FWIW, I swear by the tire guys at 3rd Ave & 10th street, under the F.
Posted by: slopefarm at December 10, 2007 12:04 PM
This street is starting to get a lot of Lefrak City/Rego Park style architecture. If Brownstone Brooklyn starts to look like 70s Queens, then Queens will start to look better than Brooklyn...
Posted by: Park Place at December 10, 2007 12:53 PM
Actually the schools may not be in need. The children currently attending may relocate. a result of increasing rents and harassment. The new tenants could be empty nesters. We have to wait and see.
Posted by: guest at December 10, 2007 1:07 PM
Does anyone know anything about the skinny steel structure that has gone up at the NE corner of Carroll Street and 4th avenue? It looks like this building has no windows in it other than the projecting balcony facing 4th avenue. Is this a storage warehouse or something?
Posted by: guest at December 10, 2007 1:54 PM
Anyone seen the huge building lot on 4th ave and 16th street? What the heck is going to be there? The lot must be equivalent to 8 or 10 20 X 50 lots.
Posted by: guest at December 10, 2007 1:56 PM
These two sites are zoned for PS 39 and PS 282 (not positive about the latter, for Butler, but it's definitely not 321). In either case, both schools still have a fair amount of variance students from outside the zone. The first thing to go will be the variances, so there's at least some cushion there before the schoools start to get overcrowded. Of course, that may just mean moving the crowding elsewhere.
Posted by: guest at December 10, 2007 1:57 PM
if the tire shops go, would be less slash tires in the hood LOL.
Posted by: armchairwarrior at December 10, 2007 7:20 PM
Is there a website for the "Olive Garden Building" at 500 4th Avenue? It's much further along than Argyle, but I haven't seen a website for it.
Posted by: guest at December 10, 2007 8:20 PM
Somehow I suspect the September '08 photos will look pretty much like the "now" photos above.
Posted by: guest at December 10, 2007 8:23 PM
i have thought for a long time that 4th avenue would get reonovated. however, it's going to stay a busy, smelly street with cars driving too fast. would not want to live on it wih my toddler. also, 5th avenue shops are lovely, but many are small and crowded as is the street. for me, i moved to brooklyn to get a less hectic surrounding. not sure why you'd buy here, it's not that close to the city. there are better places.
Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 12:39 AM
We live right off Fourth, with kids, in one of the newer buildings.
We love the area. Fourth is busy, sure, but we don't spend much time there. We usually head up to bucolic Fifth, with great restaurants (AlDiLa, Convivium, Blue Ribbon, and nice less expensive places too like La Villa, etc.)
There are great stores/shops, and wonderful parks for our kids (Old Stone House, and the big one down close to President and Fifth). There are lots of great schools, lots of pre-school options and of course PS 321 as well. Our neighbors are all nice. It is fairly close to the city (40 min subway ride). It's also the only place we could afford that wasn't a million bucks like Manhattan, or have to deal with a co-op board (as first-time buyers, we didn't have huge savings, but enough to get a nice condo.) It was nice not having to ask our parents for money, as so many brokers in Manhattan advised us when we were looking there.
We see a lot of growing pains right now in the area, construction-wise, but overall you can sense renovation taking hold, and newer/nicer businesses are coming in all the time. (My wife loves the new hair salon at 4th Ave. and 3rd Street.)
We hope it all continues. We didn't buy here to to make a killing on our investment, but rather, to find a nice, affordable place to raise our three young kids. And we're really very happy there. Maybe someday we'll save some cash, head up the Slope, but until we scratch together $2 mil for a townhouse (if ever), we're content to stay where we are.
Posted by: guest at December 11, 2007 2:34 PM
Bucolic 5th? You might want to head up to Barnes and Noble on 7th and buy a dictionary.
Posted by: guest at December 13, 2007 10:59 PM
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