Open House Picks: Houses

love the backyard in the park slope house.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 1:29 PM

I really don't understand these sellers in Clinton Hill that think their homes are nearly worth the same as their counterparts in Park Slope.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 1:39 PM

Ah yes, 22 Clifton Place, the house under renovations where that guy was gunned down in broad daylight on the front steps.

http://nytimes.com/2007/09/14/nyregion/14shooting.html

I was wondering when that place would finally come to market.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 1:41 PM

Windsor Terrace house looks like it needs work, but still priced to sell, IMO. Deal of the Day.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 1:50 PM

Besides the possible blood stains on Clifton Place, I am baffled by the new kitchen. First of all, why would anyone plop a huge island in the middle of the rear parlor, especially when that leaves the very small (10 by 24) front parlor to serve as both living and dining room? And doesn't eveyone know that granite is completely over!?!?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 1:53 PM

Is that actually Windsor Terrace?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 1:54 PM

22 Clinton Street

Manhattan dwellers: Get more BANG for your buck in Clinton Hill. Tired of living in cramped quarters? Spread your wings with this winning brownstone in one of Brooklyn's most sought-after neighborhoods! Feel the scarlet-colored charm that's pooled near the front enterance and on the stoop. Quiet, safe, well established neighborhood steps from Prospect Park, BAM, the Promenade and Brooklyn's many other world-class attractions. A steal at only $1.9 mn. Come live your dream...in Clinton Hill.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 1:55 PM

The Clinton Hill house is one of those listings that BP had been marketing as "Your Own Custom Brownstone". I think they still have another one like that.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 1:57 PM

1:57 - um i dont think thats what anyone is saying. Park Slope is next to a park, has better transportation, more resturants and bars. Its the same reason the same house would cost more in Brooklyn Heights.

stop acting like clinton hill brownstones should get the same price as a brownstone in park slope, cobble hill, fort greene, or brooklyn heights. Its just silly

stop lieing to yourself

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:04 PM

Memo to B'stoner as part of his reader's survey: invest in spellcheck for the post-comments. Uphold written communications standards!

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:06 PM

"How dare those plebes in what is practically Bed-Stuy dare price their home close to our lovely neighborhood", well then you know where to stuff that!"

what exactly is wrong with saying that, might i ask? you really think that clinton hill's transportaion, services and safety concerns are up to the point of 300K less than similar home in park slope??

say what you will about park slope, but it certainly deserves to be worth more of a premium (or clinton hill less of a premium) simply because it is more of an established neighborhood.

1.9 million dollars for a home that months ago was the sight of a major shooting? seems ridiculous to me.

only in nyc.

sure, park slope has had it's share of rough times and crime in the past. but that's when you paid 200K for a home.

not 2 million dollars.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:07 PM

Is PS house on the PS 321 side of the street?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:10 PM

clinton hillers are full of themselves and think way way to highly of their homes

btw thw WT house is a decent pickup for a starter home, nice lil neighborhood around there, although not exactly picturesque..a block to the park and a block from the subway. probably the first one of these four to sell

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:10 PM

RE WT house, also PS 154, not the worst school, actually decent, I think comparable to 107

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:15 PM

Oh my - someone got killed in Clinton Place and of course things like that never happen in Park Slope!

Gee what happened in PS just this last Monday night?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/nyregion/14arrest.html?ref=nyregion

This is a big city - murders will happen ANYWHERE however these days wherever they happen they do so only relatively rarely.

My isn't Park Slope wonderful!

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:29 PM

Skinny brownstones are not worth 1.9 million dollars around 298 12th Street.

sorry.

Should have used the fire bombing last night.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:34 PM

layout on clifton place is bad... you'd have to use the space on the parlor level next to the kithcen as a dining room only and then use the "guest room" as your TV/living room?

I'd done a small kitchen against the back wall and live the majority of the space to the living area.

This layout issue occurs over and over again in brownstones though. I gave up on them after living in 2 and bought a duplex condo with 1000 sq feet of living space on one level and 1000 sq feet of bedroom space on the other.

much happier than having space spread out over multiple floors. not cramped in our kitchen, our dining room, or our living room.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:35 PM

what children? Face it you are all alike. whether you live in clinton hill, ps, ditmas, whatever. The only difference between the posters are what their nabe is called. You all have egos, defend your nabe because you made an economic and emotional investment there, and look for ways to put down the others. But it's like putting down your identical twin.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:52 PM

Homes are not 1.9 million dollars or anywhere close to it on 12th street in Park Slope either.

THAT'S the point...not that crime doesn't happen in Park Slope.

Try asking for 2 million for a house on 12th and 4th and you'll get laughed at.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:53 PM

I hate you brownstoner you never fail to list the one place that I was jazzed to visit on sunday, now I have to cope with buyers too lazy to do their own research turning up and over-bidding for what otherwise might be a decent deal :( Of course your other picks I know have hidden gotchas and are bad deals.. but still.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 2:58 PM

while you elitist snobs argue about PS vs CH i'll be looking into the house with the best value (sherman st)

enjoy yourselves

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:00 PM

it might be the best value, but it looks hideous.

enjoy it!

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:02 PM

248 Lafayette around the corner sold for $1.78M and it was only a brick 20x35 with a small backyard, no deck and on a busy street across from a loud park.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:07 PM

Keep thinking Park Slope is utopioa:

http://gothamist.com/2007/10/26/cop_shooter_fac.php

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:10 PM

I'm curious...who here said anywhere is utopia?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:13 PM

3:10, still playing those childish games. I swear you guys all act like kids, but you cannot admit that the people you are arguing with are exactly the same as you, Slightly different locale. sorry for that dose of reality.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:20 PM

The Viking range in the WT house kind of falls into the "lipstick on a pig" category.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:22 PM

lol....agreed, 3:22.

i think the stove might be worth more than the walls around it...

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:23 PM

thank you 3:22 for at least referring to the actual post. I actually agree with you, although Barbara corcoran on the Today show said you should always have one knockout appliance if you are selling the house. Seems like they listened to her.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:25 PM

Babs doesn't know her ass from her elbow.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:32 PM

park slope isnt utopia.

its just convienent and as a renter cheaper than cobble hill and brooklyn heights. But I live pretty much on top of flatbush ave so im in a different boat than most of park slope.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:34 PM

Let's pretend for a moment that prices are and should be the same in Park Slope and Clinton Hill.

The PS house is 2.2mm for approximately 4100sf.

The CH house is 1.9mm for about 2940 sf.

Shootings, stabbings and botanica torchings aside, which house seems overpriced?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:35 PM

Clinton Hill basher is wrong to say that Clifton is asking "nearly as much" as Park Slope house.

And Clinton Hill booster is wrong to say Clifton is being offered at "a discount" to Park Slope house.

Even if we assume that the Property Shark square footage for Clifton leaves out one floor, and there fore the square footage is 2900+ sf, not 2200+ sf...

Clifton is asking $655 a square foot. (If Property Shark square footage is correct, asking price jumps to $858/sf.)

5th Street is asking $611 a square foot.

Therefore, Clifton seller actually believes his house is worth MORE than the same house in Park Slope.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:35 PM

I love reading the Bitchmoaner thread of the day, looks like today it's CH vs PS, this site is soooooo entertaining!

Keep posting Bitchmoaners.....

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:38 PM

ok. stop with the bickering, chittlins... so ridiculously stupid...

anyone know how that part of Bed-Stuy is, as far as services, etc? i see its only a couple of blocks from the train stop.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:41 PM

I first saw 22 Clifton Place 2.5 months ago (pre-shooting) when it was under construction and listed by BP. I've recently seen it again through BP and the construction is coming along nicely, but not done yet. The "custom brownstone" referred to any items not completed and could be customized for a buyer. Based on comps, the quality of the renovation they are doing, Landmark block, etc. they will get their price - but only when its done.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:43 PM

We saw the PS house a few weeks ago and it is in terrible, terrible condition. It needs to be completely ripped and replaced inside, in my opinion. It was truly scary. I guess that explains the lower price (when compared with the $2.8-$3+mm places in similar locations). I still think the price seems high but maybe not when compared to some of the other prices out there.

But seriously- you have to have the stomach (and pocketbook) for ridiculously high amounts of renovation if you're gonna make the place work. The photos are deceiving.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:45 PM

i can't understand all the people who bitch about having to do renovation work on brownstones.

wasn't that kindof the inspiration for this entire site?

finding an old home and being able to restore it back to its former glory is what got many people interested in this site in the first place, is it not?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:49 PM

The WT house is actually zoned for 130, not 154. Still a good school, just sayin'.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:50 PM

People, people, it is abundantly clear by now that Clinton Hill is the brownstone neighborhood of choice for the enlightened wealthy. There, you can live in a house and become involved in a diverse, salt-of-the-earth mixed income community.

Also, you can always send your children to private schools, so that they don't have to get too close to the diverse, salt-of-the-earth mixed-income children, who you are secretly terrified will cut them in the hallways. But don't worry, you're still better than the snobs of Park Slope!

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:51 PM

You can get 398 Lafayette around the corner for 1.1M if you want to live this close to the projects. The house has a lot of original detail and seems much nicer than 22 clifton.

As for those arguing about violent crime, people get hurt by people they know - just like the poor guy in CH and the guys from outside PS who has the knife fight in PS.

If you aren't afraid of black people or are black and have 1-2M (which nobody ever seems to consider here), then CH can be a great neighborhood.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:54 PM

Also, you can always send your children to private schools, so that they don't have to get too close to the diverse, salt-of-the-earth mixed-income children, who you are secretly terrified will cut them in the hallways. But don't worry, you're still better than the snobs of Park Slope!

BRILLIANT!!!

HA.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:58 PM

"inding an old home and being able to restore it back to its former glory is what got many people interested in this site in the first place, is it not?"

True, but asking fully renovated prices for incomplete renovations is bitchworthy, no?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:59 PM

3:49- that makes sense but not when places are priced at $2.2mm. For that price, you would hope that the home had the semblance of livability!

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 3:59 PM

seems to me that 2.2 million isn't a bad price for that locale. even if it needs a lot of work.

as someone said, seems that fully renovated homes in the neighborhood are going for around 3 million, so 800K less for an unrenovated one seems fair. certainly won't cost that much to do the place up nice.

i don't know...i guess i'm still one to compare to manhattan, where 2.2 million buys you a crappy 3 bedroom condo at ariel on the upper west side.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:02 PM

Shut your black mouth.

--Bx2bklyn

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:05 PM

sorry...i take that back.

make that 3.6 million for a crappy 3 bedroom condo at ariel on the upper west side.

jeez louise.

http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=939286

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:05 PM

"The WT house is actually zoned for 130, not 154. Still a good school, just sayin'."

D'oh! You are correct, my bad. They do look comparable indeed.

Does Sherman street house have parking? I would imagine it would be listed if so. It's a semi detach, so maybe?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:09 PM

AMENITIES AND CHARM SPAT LEADS TO BLOODSHED IN BROOKLYN

Nov. 16, 2007

An alleged argument between two Brooklynites over whose neighborhood was better for amenities and charm ended in bloodshed Wednesday night. The conflict reportedly began online at a popular real estate website called ‘Brownstoner’ where a forum topic over the relative merits and pecking order of Brooklyn’s posh brownstone neighborhoods raised tempers among discussion participants. Two participants, whose identities police are currently withholding but whom post under the handles ‘parksloper’ and ‘clintonhillguy’, proposed to meet offline to settle their disagreements via a knife fight at midnight.

In order to ensure fairness in the fight, the two combatants agreed to choose a neutral sight for the skirmish, choosing Fort Greene Park. Nearby residents reported hearing shouting at around 12:00am Thursday morning. “One of them was screaming about how the restaurants on 5th Avenue were so much better than anything in Clinton Hill,” said one witness, who wished to remain anonymous. “The other one shouted that 5th Avenue was bullshit and the architectural details in Clinton Hill’s stock of brownstones where ten times better than what you can get in Park Slope.”

The verbal altercation quickly escalated to knife-wielding. The ‘parksloper’ assailant, who is reportedly a semi-employed writer, sustained multiple knife wounds and is currently under intensive care at New York Methodist Hospital. The ‘clintonhillguy’ assailant, who reportedly works for some sort of media website, was taken into custody by police shortly after the altercation at his brownstone at 22 Clinton Place.

Police are concerned that this incident may lead to further altercations between residents of the two neighborhoods. During a routine patrol last night police came across ten individuals in front of a residence on Union Street near 6th Avenue stockpiling bicycle chains, brass knuckles and billy clubs. Police also reported that residents of Prospect Heights were also gathering and making their way towards Clinton Hill. When asked what they were doing one marcher reportedly said that they “didn’t want to be left out of the action” and were going to “get those Clinton Hill fuckers”.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:16 PM

i live a few doors down from 22 clifton place so, of course, i'd love to believe it's worth 1.9M. of course, it isn't. maybe something near that after the renovation is completed.

i would like to say, though, that the block is nice, i really believe the shooting was an isolated incident. and it is about as convenient to transportation as you can get in fort greene or clinton hill. the grocery stores are okay. there are a bunch of nice cafes and restaurants, decent dry cleaners, etc.

i'm one of the people who happens to prefer clinton hill to park slope, which is not to suggest there are comparable services.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:19 PM

"i can't understand all the people who bitch about having to do renovation work on brownstones."

3:49, I would love to find a brownstone that I can restore and bring back. BUT I am unwilling to pay exorbitant prices to do so. The point of buying a fixer-upper is that you get a relative bargain and put in the work in exchange for the lower price. This PS house will sit for a while at that price.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:19 PM

I don't get the appeal of Clinton Hill. Trains suck and generally a long schlepp to stores.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:23 PM

3:49 if you have incredibly busy work lives and small children, managing any kind of renovation work may simply be impossible. also, it's very expensive to live somewhere, pay a mortgage and pay workers in cash.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:27 PM

Why is the other clifton place at $1.175K. http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&listingid=1070228. Is the area dangerous? This place looks nice anyone has seen this one? Please provide some real info.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:34 PM

isn't clifton practically in bed stuy?

in which case 1.9 is EVEN MORE absurd?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:38 PM

Yes, the Clifton Place house IS practically in Bed Stuy. Ridiculous.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:41 PM

http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=970751&ohDat=11/18/2007%2012:00:00%20AM;

What about this one. Corcoran has a lot of listings on Clifton Place.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:43 PM

i think you do the renavations yourself

thats the idea.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:44 PM

Where does Clinton Hills end

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:45 PM

FYI, the Sherman St, house is zoned for PS 130, not 154. I don't know anything about 130, seems well regarded on insideschools.org, but since someone had posted about 154, I went and looked up the boundaries.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 4:49 PM

Bedford Stuyvesant homes are going from 500K-1.4 million and once again this area is larger than PS and CH put together...

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:05 PM

Clinton Hill ends at Bedford Ave today in 2000 it was Franklin Ave... not sure of the North boundry... Park maybe??

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:07 PM

http://www.thedevelopersgroup.com/buildings/building.aspx?buildingid=1120& a lot of things are happening on clifton place. They have great condo on this site. These are marketed as Clinton Hill.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:15 PM

Is it just me, or are all four of these listings just utterly depressing? Even supposing a heafty discount on these prices, I simply can't understand people spending roughly $700 - $900K for the WT or BS properties, let alone roughly $2M for the other two. I'm optimistic that there are still nice properties out there that will come on the market at realistic prices, but it's discouraging to see such schlock peddled for so much money. Here, less is not more.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:34 PM

http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/151092-condo-273-clifton-place-clinton-hill-brooklyn streeteasy place them in Clinton Hill too.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:34 PM

Show me a area in northern Brooklyn that has houses under 700K.... please give me a break....

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:47 PM

A person that knows great architecture knows that overall Bedford Stuyvesant is superior architecturally than most of these other neighborhoods in Brooklyn... I can care less what about a 1980s reputation...

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:51 PM

I love Bedford Stuyvesant architecture... great old homes with alot of detail... But I feel many people that live there have no idea what they have...

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:53 PM

South Bed-Stuy is where all the great brownstones are...

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:54 PM

I think the homes in Bed Stuy are so beautiful because most new residents who live there never leave their front door without a car waiting out front.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 5:57 PM

NOT TURE 5:57 ALL those people on the bikes in bedstuy... I think its the bikest area in Brooklyn

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 6:02 PM

22 clifton Place. Where is the nearest elementary school?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 6:08 PM

There is a Waldorf school on the next block from Clifton Place.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 6:15 PM

22 clifton is between st james and grand... pretty centrally located in clinton hill.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 6:16 PM

67 clifton place

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 6:19 PM

That's around the corner from choice

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 6:20 PM

Clifton Place has a new restaurant http://www.timeout.com/newyork/restaurants/bedford-stuyvesant/6509/tiny-cup This is a busy block but bedstuy is changing for the better

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 6:25 PM

nice one, 4:16.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 6:33 PM

is there one biker in brooklyn that has ever stopped at a traffic light?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 7:48 PM

Guest at 1:46

MARRY ME!

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 8:18 PM

The WT house, with a little TLC, has a hell of a lot more charm than those little wooden shacks in the Park Slope hinterlands that are currently fetching twice as much, and which are nowhere neer the amentities of Park Slope, nor have any trees or easy park access for that matter.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 8:20 PM

FWIW, the deceased was first shot on the front stoop of 22 Clifton, but proceeded into the house, pursued by the shooter, who finished him off inside. One way to highlight this feature would be a Basquiat-style body outline painted on the parlor floor at the foot of the stairs (with some judiciously placed fluorescent bloodstains). This would certainly help clarify just why this house is so very special, and provide an amazing conversation piece, showing that the new owner is in, hip, chic and broadminded enough to recognize murder as mere local color and rise above it on his/her way out the door to Choice. (And after all, the parties knew each other, so the new owners needn't be concerned that gunfire on Clifton Place will affect THEM.) This is a unique opportunity for the forward-looking gentrifier. Sure to be worth at least $3M within the next two years...

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 8:28 PM

The taxes listed on the PS house on the NYTimes site are TOO LOW: $1,630?!!!

Anyone else notice this?

FG/TGL

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 9:16 PM

just for the hell of it I feel like putting a bit down. for those that dont like CH, stay away. its for those who do, and there are more who fit into this category than there is space for. I for one never looked at park slope when moving from manhattan 5 years ago - it felt way to much like a suburb in the city for me. and though there are some other nice nabes, once I found clinton hill I never even looked anywhere else. it is one of the most aesthetically beautiful neighborhoods and has the ‘most intact historic architecture in diverse styles anywhere in the city of new york’ according to the AIA guide - the FOREMOST architectural guide in the country. (ever walked down CLINTON ave or Wash? god the mansions are amazing) the community here reflects this diversity in color, nationality, age, profession and style – I have made friends here from South America, asia, Europe, everywhere across the country, and lots of homegrown locals. There are more mixed race couples than ANYWHERE I have ever lived, and I have been around. when we thought we might have to leave NY a year ago, one of the main factors that stopped us was the thought of bringing our child up any where else - this is where we most want to be in the world. (and just to answer a previous poster - the local elementary school, ps11, has been making headlines with its improvements) there are cafe's and restaurants sprouting up all over the place (CHOICE, SPEAKEASY, LOCANDA VINI E OLIO) a couple of supermarkets, and a specialty market slated to open anyday. And dekalb has a plethora of choices, a mere 5 minutes away. There are numerous kids parks, a lovely green market nearby, and FT GREEN PARK isn’t prospect park, but it Whitman loved it, and so do I.

Its extremely close to the city - i get to work in mid manhattan (UN.SQ) EVERYday in 30 minutes door to door, without fail. and when I ride my bike its 20 minutes.

But please, stay away. Much nicer for us.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 9:19 PM

a broker working at 9:19 on a friday night??

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 9:41 PM

9:19--

The issue here isn't whether Clinton Hill is great or sucks. It's whether the Clinton Hill house listed here can reasonably expect to get a HIGHER price than it would fetch in on the same block as the one listed in Park Slope.

And more to the point--since CH prices are generally not as high as PS prices--why the Clifton house should be listed so much higher than everything comparable *in Clinton Hill itself.*

Spare us the melodramatics.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 9:58 PM

where is clinton hill?

i'm considering a move from manhattan and been looking so far in park slope and ft. greene...

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 10:17 PM

Know this is in Queens, but how 'bout this as House of the day

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/rfs/480996781.html

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 10:20 PM

9:19, are you actually sending your kids to PS 11? If so, good for you; I think you're the first person I've seen say that on Brownstoner.

Everytime someone discusses public schools in the area, the first thing people jump and say is not, "Well, we should get involved and make the schools better." It's "Well, if you're spending this much on a brownstone, you're doing private school anyway." Which is a big difference from the "gentrifiers" of Park Slope, Brooklyn Heights, Carrall Gardens etc. of a couple decades ago, who actually used and contributed to the schools in their neighborhoods.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 10:24 PM

9:58: "Spare us the melodramatics."

melo·dra·matic (mel′ō drə mat′ik, mel′ədrəmatik)
sensational, violent, and extravagantly emotional

9:19 post is maybe a little earnest, but melodramatic? where did you see this melodrama taking place 9:58?? or are you just a wee bit of a malapropist?

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 10:36 PM

10:24:
my child is under 4, so not yet, but we are planning on enrolling her in ps11. numerous parents (including me) in the neighborhood have been talking and meeting and trying to figure out what we can do to help the school - although many other educated, pro-active parents have proceeded, and the school is in turnaround - they got a great new principle in, and many new programs are taking hold.

p.s. 9:19 - there are many issues being addressed on this thread - you are referring to one. I am discussing another.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 10:47 PM

Do the "magnificent renovations underway" on the landmarked Clifton Place house include a facade restoration? Looks like it needs one desperately (totally missing the brownstone detail around left parlor floor window), and that's a big ticket item to add to a $1.9M purchase...if the brownstone is delaminating, this may also not be an expense that can be postponed, for liability reasons (no insurance company will want to risk your dropping brownstone on the head of your downstairs tenant). Caveat emptor, if there are any emptors out there for this one...

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 11:00 PM

now THAT'S the way to get me to bed stuy...

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 11:12 PM

the windsor terrace house seems like a decent price, but for some reason, i just can't wrap my head around the hood. been up and down every street over the years (like to walk), and looked at several places because I've bought 2x in the last few years. i think the hood needs something in terms of retail or restaurants. just anything. it's just kinda blah.

Posted by: guest at November 16, 2007 11:56 PM

Housesearcher: I'm the person who "predicted" $3M for Clifton Place in two years. Please read more closely and realize that the prediction was in jest.

Posted by: guest at November 17, 2007 12:21 AM

I live on the same block as the WT house - a house down the block recently went for over a million (obvious a MUCH bigger house) but more importantly - I can tell you there are great neighbors :)

Posted by: guest at November 17, 2007 2:34 AM

Can everyone here move to Park Slope PULEAZZE! Brownstowner used to be the place to learn things now it just is done for.

Posted by: guest at November 17, 2007 7:32 AM

what about cobble hill.

its more expensive

Posted by: guest at November 17, 2007 3:30 PM

1.9 million on clifton place!? That is crazy!

Posted by: guest at November 17, 2007 3:53 PM

I've looked at the BS house a few times now — it backs onto the parking lot for the Risley Dent Towers on Fulton St, most recently famous for being shot up in May out front.

The adjoining neighbours seem to be more or less using their backyards, don't have barbed wire on their fences, etc. What do people think about investing in a lovely block of Stuyvesant Heights that happens to be attached to a Fulton st public housing development? (At that price or any.)

At night it seems quiet enough out back there, but it ain't summer or anything. Thoughts? What about the walk from Kingston-Throop at night?

Posted by: guest at November 18, 2007 12:16 AM

I can't believe noone's sited Property Shark:

22 Clifton Pl 3/22/2007 $843,230 Two family converted from one family

The owners bought it in March for less than half what they're asking!

So, in the last 8 monthes, they've done a partial renovation and have been lucky enough to have a murder take place on their stoop.

Is that worth over a million? NO! Of course not.

Hopefully they'll come (way) down. Clifton Place between Grand and St James is a very nice block - central Clinton Hill, close to the C and G trains and buses, good restaurants, a grocery, etc. And it's quite, with minimal traffic (it's the last block of Clifton Place).

Also, the other listings people mentioned on Clifton Place are blocks away, in Bed Stuy. 22 Clifton is Clinton Hill, 111, 278, etc are Bed Stuy. Both good neighborhoods, but different, prices are higher in Clinton Hill.

Posted by: guest at November 18, 2007 3:35 PM

Went to Clifton Pl today and while the house as it sold in March was in awful shape and at least is now structurally better, I doubt it'll get anywhere near ask. Painted over original hardware on the remaining doors on the parlor floor, new T&G flooring throughout (the original was probably unsalvageable), no remaining newel or spindles (completely new staircase - the original was probably shot), suburban panel doors elsewhere, original plaster brackets upstairs removed and replaced by imitation curves cut in sheetrock, garden floor unavailable for viewing. It's not that difficult to find acceptable salvage spindles, newels and doors; replicating floor borders and laying T&G diagonally inside them isn't that big a deal; and replica plaster brackets aren't that expensive. If they were going to salvage SOME of the detail, it seems a shame not to put the energy into doing the rest of the house to match. Either that or go completely modern, but this is a hodgepodge. And why show a house when one floor is inaccessible?

Posted by: guest at November 18, 2007 4:53 PM

Stuyvesant Heights is a wondeful neighborhood on the rise . I been renting on decatur St ( a few doors down from the house for sale ) for 2 yrs now and love it . I rent a garden apt and never had a problem with the parking lot behind me .I am a 26 yr old female and walk from the utica and Kingston-Throop stations all the time and at all hours .Never had a problem .

Posted by: guest at November 18, 2007 5:34 PM

we live right accross the street from the house on decatur . The past couple of yrs have been wonderful for us . We have met some great people and love our new home . Thank god we bought when we did because prices keep going up .

Posted by: guest at November 18, 2007 6:28 PM

If 100 decatur st that sold a few month's ago at 980k is any indication i would say the decatur st house is a fair price given the fact that it's a legal 3 .The corcoran ad says that the two rentals are at market rents's . Any one know what they mean by market ? How much are they ?

Posted by: guest at November 18, 2007 6:36 PM

Entertaining!

Owner 22 Clifton

Posted by: guest at November 18, 2007 8:03 PM

trust me...a lot more entertaining for us to watch you try to rape someone out of an obscene amount of money for a half ass renovation, located in a war zone.

Posted by: guest at November 18, 2007 8:31 PM

Go tend to your fifty cats. I am sure there is a whole lot of cat piss you have to clean up.

Posted by: guest at November 18, 2007 9:38 PM

I went to 22 Clifton and saw the tenants apartment???

Posted by: guest at November 19, 2007 3:26 PM

It's probably a very good thing that none of you made an offer on the Windsor Terrace house - most of you don't seem like you'd be very good neighbors.

Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:00 PM

Hi everyone, I am the broker marketing the PS house - 466 5th Street - and I'd like to weigh in on some of the comments posted:

To be candid this home does need a fair amount of renovation but it not in "terrible,terrible condition". Basically, it's an older person's home with tacky cosmetics, and maybe that is in part what the poster reacted to. Also, they may have viewed it during the initial showings while it was still occupied, and not yet prepared for showing. At this point the home is vacant and cleaned up, and shows much better. All are welcome to come by our next open house, or contact me for an appointment to see for yourself.

For the record the taxes are indeed currently $1630 per year - anyone can log onto nyc.gov to verify. Lastly, I believe the property referred to across the street in p.s. 321 which sold for less money was also much smaller. Most of the properties across the street are 2 feet narrower, which is a huge difference in a row house, and likely did not have a four-story extension as 466 has. Anyway, just thought I'd weigh in, and hope all had a great Thankgiving weekend.

Anthony Orrichio
Orrichio Anderson Realty, Inc.
orrandrlty@aol.com
orrandrlty.com
ph- 718 965 3600

Posted by: guest at November 26, 2007 12:52 AM