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November 20, 2007
House of the Day: 551 3rd Street
The four-story brownstone at 551 3rd Street changed hands in 2004 for $1,900,000; the new owner proceeded to do a pretty serious renovation as well as an over-the-top interior design that maybe be a bit much for some people. But if you can look past the chintz, this is certainly a beautiful house with tons of original detail on one of the more desireable blocks in The Slope. The asking price of $3,750,000 looks high to us (by a few hundred thousand dollars) but the fact that it needs no work could work in its favor. Think it has a shot at getting asking price?
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Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:37 PM
SCIENTISTS DISCOVER GENE FOR PREFERRING BROWNSTONES
Nov. 20, 2007
Scientists participating in a study conducted by the Genome Research Institute at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland say they have discovered the gene that makes certain people insistent on living in 19th century brownstone houses and apartments. The results of the study will be published next month in an article jointly appearing in Genomic Journal, a publication of the National Human Genome Research Institute, and Brownstoner, a real estate website dedicated to brownstone living.
“The gene responsible for preferring to live in brownstone houses and apartments seems to be the same gene that’s responsible for women liking to wear apron style tablier top layer half skirts over bustles and the gene that makes people fond of the presidential administration of Chester A. Arthur,” said the study’s lead scientist and author of the article, Dr. Pradiet Sundra.
Sundra went on to say that the brownstone-preference gene was present in the DNA of mankind’s earliest ancestors. “We believe this brownstone gene was present in the DNA of Australopithecus afarensis, a species related to modern Homo sapiens that lived in the Awash Valley in Ethiopia 3.2 million years ago,” Sundra said.
Sundra went on to say that the presence of the brownstone gene in early Homo sapiens may have been responsible for mankind’s migration out of Africa. “They were unsatisfied with housing options on the African savannah and went looking for something better,” said Sundra. Notably, Homo sapiens’ primary evolutionary rival, Homo Neanderthalensis, did not posses the gene for brownstone preference. “Neanderthal’s had a different gene, one that expressed itself in a preference for living in condo’s built after World War II,” Sundra said. “It’s likely that this genetic factor contributed to their eventual extinction.”
Studies done on lab mice have revealed the potential for gene therapies that might suppress the desire to live in brownstone dwellings. One study currently underway at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in Manhattan isolated the brownstone gene in lab mice. “We’ve demonstrated that when you put two mice possessing the brownstone gene into two different habitats, one simulating a well-appointed, richly detailed, four-story brownstone and the other into a Critter Trail One Pet Home, the later mouse eventually dies,” said study head Dr. Albert Murray. “However, with gene therapy we can get that mouse to live in the Critter Home for an extended period without dying.”
Murray went on to say that these results could ultimately lead to significant treatments for people with the brownstone gene. “Since there are only so many brownstones out there, and they ain’t building any more of them, people with the gene are predisposed to suffer,” said Dr. Murray. “Gene replacement therapy may ultimately be able to help these people.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:37 PM
House looks beautiful. Two things:
Buyers at that high price point most likely do not want or need the garden rental--they're looking for a one-family--and it's a pain in the ass to rip it out and convert it back.
It also has a very small yard, visible in the picture. I guess this is because the house is set far back to make room for the front yard, and the lot is 95 ft long, not 100.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:38 PM
I would say probably $100 per Sq. Ft. too much!! But who knows? It is only worth what somebody will pay!!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:39 PM
1:37, I nominate you for best news parody written from a shitty, shoddy new construction condo 2007! Keep up the work and make sure to never get a job, so you can keep entertaining us!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:39 PM
So what's the fancier address, 3rd Street or 2nd Street?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:42 PM
maybe michelle williams will buy it--and let heath crash in the rental with his current model!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:43 PM
Even if they are not going to use it as a rental, there are still guest or maybe an elderly parnent(s) that could ended up using the garden apartment. Or it could make a great home office. Don't be so quick to dismiss it and that all buyers in this price range automatically need ONLY a one family.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:44 PM
Definitely a better buy (and cheaper too!) than that ridiculously overpriced Washington Park listing.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:44 PM
definitely 3rd street.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:45 PM
This looks like a BEAUTY!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:46 PM
By far the most hideous interior decor I have yet to see in a house at this price point.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:46 PM
1:37: GENIUS!!!!!!!
That was definitely my laugh of the day. Maybe of the week!
Posted by: Park Sloper at November 20, 2007 1:49 PM
Gag me! I am trying to see past the chintz but it has blinded me completely. That bed! That gold leaf! It's like something on HGTV.
I have friends who bought a house
in the Heights for 5 million and then converted the garden into a rental. Income is income, no matter how much you have already.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:53 PM
It's almost like the St. Johns Pl. house but much nicer
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:55 PM
Wow, 1:49, you must not get out much.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:55 PM
well, its over the top decor. I think the St. Johns Place house has better bones and is "only" 2,8....
Posted by: dachshund212 at November 20, 2007 1:56 PM
Do all the homes on 3rd have those tiny yards?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:56 PM
At least this one is move-in. The St. Johns Place needs a total renovation and restoration.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:57 PM
I would feel guilty living in that house...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:58 PM
This is overpriced. A lovely, much more appealing house (taste-wise)on the park block of 3rd street (better block) went for 3.5 over the summer when the market was a hotter, so I predict this to be an under 3.5 sale if the seller is interested in selling it anytime soon.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:59 PM
The empty garden apartment is so much more appealling than the Martha Stewart on steroids decor of the upper floors.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 1:59 PM
complain complain complain
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:00 PM
Did Trump move to the Slope?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:00 PM
Someone please do the math.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end......
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:02 PM
AAAgghhh. It's so ugly! Make it stop! Please make it stop!!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:03 PM
Here's my math...
My wife and and I (and 2 small children) are selling our 2 bedroom on the Upper West side. It is listed for 2.7 million. (bought it in 1997 for 350K).
We are looking for a brownstone in Park Slope and our budget is 4 million.
We will be taking a look.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:05 PM
You people complain about everything on here... Even on the holy grounds of Park Slope... Also I did not know that this place comes furnished...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:07 PM
2:05 - Ha ha ha! VERY convincingly lifelike response.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:07 PM
2:05
i'm looking for a 2BR on the UWS
please provide a link to your listing
thanks
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:08 PM
I'm right behind 2:08, 2:05. And I'm paying in GOLD.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:10 PM
http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=1099252
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:12 PM
http://www.brownharrisstevens.com/detail.aspx?id=762305
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:14 PM
two listings?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:21 PM
just take a look at 2 bedrooms on the upper west side. some are upwards of 3 million.
you people have lost touch with how much manhattan costs.
to come to park slope and have a huge, beautiful home for 4 million is a DEAL for some of us.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:22 PM
this is why i hate park slope (aka lower east upper west side)
it stopped being brooklyn a long time ago
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:24 PM
so which one is yours 2:05? Or are both?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:25 PM
The one with the equally hideous interior...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:27 PM
how is brooklyn or park slope any less brooklyn because people move there from other places?
new york and brooklyn has always been a melting pot of people from all over the country and the world.
why are people moving from manhattan making brooklyn any less brooklyn?
so strange to say.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:27 PM
Thats why people are going to other areas 2:24 such as Ft. Greene and Clinton Hill.. feels more like BROOKLYN!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:28 PM
Because Brooklyn is full of Native Americans!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:30 PM
There is no such thing as a brownstone gene. Where did you find this article? Certainly not a recessive brownstone gene. It would have to be dominant.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:30 PM
Here we go again... Get a life you sad group of people!!!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:31 PM
The decor is definitely over the top. Folks intending to flip a renovation really should try to be more neutral in their renovation and decor.
Having said that, however, I think this place is pretty impressive. And it's actually my dream to buy a triplex-over-garden-rental for the reason an earlier poster mentioned: not to rent out the ground floor, but to use it for guests, for my kids when they visit from college, and for my elderly mother when she visits, as she can't handle the stairs (and potentially for her to live in later when she can no longer live on her own). I assume I'm not the only person with similar needs.
I like parlor-floor kitchens in brownstones anyway, since with ground floor kitchens, the parlor floor tends to get under-used, at least for the way my family lives.
So, if I had the money, I'd probably buy this place now! My somewhat simpler furniture would help offset the ornate fixtures and finishes. (Time to buy a mega millions ticket!)
Posted by: Park Sloper at November 20, 2007 2:32 PM
House is beautiful - but that kitchen is TRULY hideous. Can't imagine how tacky the bathrooms must be. However - no offense poster, and good for you for your wise investment - 2.5 for that POS apartment on the UWS????????????????? I truly have lost touch with how expensive things are in Manhattan.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:32 PM
Oh yeah 2:28, Fort Greene is seriously STREET with it's 2-3 million $$ brownstones. And Clinton Hill? Two words: Connecticut Muffin.
Shut your yapper!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:33 PM
how can a 2 bed in '97 cost 350k and now almost 3 million.
WWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFf
my head is going to explode.
im moving
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:34 PM
It's not people from Manhattan making brooklyn bad. It's people from manhattan with such awful taste that they would pay that much for a house with such hideous finishes.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:36 PM
2:12 -- that Corcoran listing looks suspcious. They seem to have the exact same view from every room! In some of them, it looks like a picture on a wide-screen TV, not a window. Very strange.
Posted by: Park Sloper at November 20, 2007 2:36 PM
2:34, people LOVE to greatly understate the amount they paid for their apartment "back in 1997", especially those on the UWS. It's common.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:37 PM
I just bought 2:05's apartment. Look for him in the Slope in a couple of months. Right before the whole world FALLS TO SHIT!
The What
Someday this war's gonna end...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:38 PM
These houses were not made for bulky furniture... in 1880s when this house was built they did not have this stuff... but getting past all that this is a lovely house only thing that is not nice is the price and the rear yeard could be a bit larger...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:40 PM
just do a search on corcoran for upper west side.
do it. you will be SHOCKED!!!
most 3 beds are in the 4 millions...and 2 beds in the 2 millions...
and the uws is not the most expensive neighborhood in manhattan.
you all did read that bonuses this year will be a record, right??
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:41 PM
I live on the UWS and am looking for a brownstone in Brooklyn. However, I don't want to sacrifice a yard for a "ritzy" address and a flip, which is what you're paying for in this case.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:42 PM
I feel sick..............
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:42 PM
Mother of God "ritzy address" - The What I'm sad to say that I am forced to write: some day this war is gonna end...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:45 PM
2:34 - If an apartment in 1997 sold for $350k is now worth $2.7 then that's a 22.67% compounded annual increase. In late 2001 we bought an apartment in PS for $420 and sold it four years later for $925k - a 21.83% compounded annual increase.
So 2:37 it's not necessarily true that 2:05 is exaggerating at all.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:47 PM
my landlord bought his townhouse on the uws for $400,000 in 1993 and sold it for 7.8 million in 2007.
don't even want to know the compounded interest on that one...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:51 PM
sorry, meant compounded annual increase. not interest.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:51 PM
thats so freakin crazy.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:52 PM
This will NOT be a record year for Wall St. bonuses ... do you read the paper much?!
That said, I jjst sold my 150sf studio that I got for free in 1972 for 8 billion-gazzillion rupees.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 2:52 PM
I doubt they will get the asking price in the current climate of semi-caution.
It is a classic brownstone but for 3.75 million it needs even more over the top amenities like an elevator and a built in spa and things like that especially since it is not in the Park block.
Posted by: sam at November 20, 2007 2:54 PM
After looking at prices for two bedrooms on the UWS, i am sure it will sell. Now that the stigma is gone from living in Brooklyn, Manhattanites are flooding out here, and to them, these prices are dirt cheap. But I do feel that the person who buys a house like this is a person who would have moved to the suburbs in the 70s and 80s. All I can say is curse Rudy Guliani and pray for a crime wave.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:00 PM
If it had a full-sized yard, I'd consider it. But it doesn't, so I won't.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:01 PM
Three mil. ish.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:05 PM
Holy hell people, sign up for a profile here and use real names. How dumb is it that we're saying things like "So 2:37 it's not necessarily true that 2:05 is exaggerating at all." Who cares if it's your real name, just something consistent.
Posted by: Rusty at November 20, 2007 3:06 PM
YOU ARE WRONG 2:52:
BLOOMBERG: Wall Street expects record bonuses
Bloomberg News is predicting the five biggest U.S. securities firms will pay almost $38 billion in bonuses this year, or $201,500 per worker, a record. The real estate market has been anxious about the bonuses as the subprime mortgage meltdown and the credit crunch have wreaked havoc this year.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:08 PM
speaking of rupees.
apartments in Moscow are going for around 4000k a sqf
the world is going crazy
time to move back to the south.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:09 PM
This is what Donald Trump would think a Brooklyn Townhouse should look like. There are nicer houses available for half the price.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:10 PM
I'm looking for a brownstone with rentals 'cause I only have 1 kid now and don't need all the space. I don't want to look for a bigger better place later and have the cash and cashflow for a $3M+ place now. I got that money by knowing how to make it - and renting out an unused floor is one way. I too will be checking this place out. That said, it's not move-in ready even without their furniture. Gonna have to de-gild this a bit.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:12 PM
We weren't actually speaking of Rubles - but thanks for the Moscow update anyway.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:15 PM
Just two comments:
1. many really big rowhouses tend to have smallish rear yards. A rear yard was not a status symbol in the 1880's.
2. while it is true that Brooklyn has lost much of its stigma over the past ten or so years, I would not say it is entirely stigma-free. I know many folks in Manhattan who still cling to their old ways of thinking about Brooklyn. And all the shootings and stabbings in the news over the past few days have not done a lot to dispel those old views.
Posted by: sam at November 20, 2007 3:17 PM
i bet ya brooklyn real estate continues to go up another 10% in 2007.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:21 PM
About that park block = better block business, it is a much quicker walk to the R at 4th/union from here. When you work long hours downtown to pay for this thing, this makes a difference. the nanny can walk a few extra blocks up 3rd to take the kid to the park while you're working.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:25 PM
Sam is right. And as with everything, it's all relative, folks. I live on Broadway in the 100s, and no one in my social group of Manhattan friends or acquaintances envisions moving to Brooklyn anytime soon. I am the pariah for wanting to do so (in a friendly way, of course). I can't tell you how many times I hear the "I'm never leaving my 'smallish' Manhattan apartment for Brooklyn." So honestly, for every UWSider that wants to sell his apartment and move to Park Slope, there's another one that does not.
There are still many people who think along the lines of this article:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/realestate/neighborhoods/features/11895/
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:26 PM
brooklyn = need car
park slope = can't park
don't bother buying there.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:37 PM
I would sign up Rusty, but you already took my name!
Rusty
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:39 PM
Do you think they'll throw in the pictures of the nineteenth century prostitutes?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:44 PM
I would gladly take either of the UWS apartments linked to above over this house. River or park views? AWESOME!!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:49 PM
We don't want EVERYONE from Manhattan to move to Brooklyn, 3:26. The numbers are quite high as it is.
If too many people move to Park Slope, we'd see brownstone prices much higher than they already are.
It's supply and demand. We seem to be in a pretty good place right now with that.
BTW, I am one of 6 people I know in my circle of friends/aquaintances who have moved from the Upper West Side to Park Slope over the last 18 months.
One more on the way...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:51 PM
Me too, 3:49, AND you'd still have $1 million left over.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:53 PM
3:49/3:53
the maintence fees on the two uws places are $1700 and $2500 a month, respectively.
you might want to rethink the 1 million leftover comment...
and you are comparing 2 bedroom apts to a huge 4 story home on one of the most beautiful blocks in nyc.
i can understand preferring manhattan if that's where you want to be, but for people interested in a larger space for their growing family, a 2 bedroom just doesn't cut it with 2 kids.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 3:57 PM
Well, 3:51, I guess our friends and acquaintances cancel each other out, then.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:04 PM
3:51
i think i'm one of your friends!!!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:05 PM
Speaking of kids, is there an actual baby boom? Or does it just seem that way because of increased media coverage, internet, etc.? I haven't been following the numbers. Anyone know?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:06 PM
What a great example of a classic brownstone. My favorite rooms are the dining room, with that fabulous built in, and the bathroom, with its original stained glass and from what can be seen, original sink. Love the pan light fixtures too.
OK, the decor is way over the top. More Mario Buatta than Martha, however. But so what - hopefully, the owners pack it up and take it with them, and you go in and paint over the gilt. I'd add some wall color, too, but that's me. You put your furniture in, and it's you. If that's too much for anyone, if you can afford this place, you can afford to hire a decorator.
I also like the ground floor apartment - nice bones, and blessedly clutter free. It would be good to have available for guests, relatives, office space, or rental.
I try not to faint at the prices of PS homes, and am really glad similarly appointed brownstones exist for millions less in Bed Stuy, Crown Hts, as well as those in tonier nabes. I know, location, location, location. But as period house porn - without the furnishings - the French canopy bed will haunt me forever, this is fun.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 20, 2007 4:08 PM
the numbers of kids in nyc under 5 has increased 30% over the last 5 years.
people just aren't moving to the burbs as much.
they are realizing more and more how suburb life is not the way of the future if we plan to have a future for this endangered planet.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:10 PM
30% over the last 5 years? Why is everyone procreating so much? What narcissism! I guess biology trumps reason, afer all.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:14 PM
1:37: Unfortunately, contrary to popular rumors of its extinction, Homo Neanderthalensis, complete with its genetic preference for post-war condos, is alive and well and living in Brooklyn. Anthropological researchers everywhere should immediately converge on Williamsburg to survey the thriving specimens available for study there in their native habitat. Cross-species propagation between Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Sapiens (those with the genetic preference for brownstones), however, remains rare due to incompatibility.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:16 PM
"brooklyn = need car"
What the hell for? I've lived here for years and never needed a car.
The only time I've "needed" a car is when I take a trip out of the city. And then I RENT one. It's revolutionary notion, I know, but it just might catch on.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:21 PM
4:14
I don't believe anyone is procreating more than usual, it's just that 30% more couples who are having children are staying in the city after they give birth, where before 2000, more couples were defecting for the suburbs.
We have hit a tipping point, where urbanism all across the country was picking up steam and now the advent of the "green revolution" we will only see this trend continue as oil becomes more and more precious and land and space become less and less so.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:23 PM
the idea that one must have a car to live in brooklyn is absurd.
there are quite a few vespas on my block in park slope, but i certainly have no use for a car.
it's a little thing called zipcar two or three times a year. economical AND friendly to the earth.
imagine that.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:27 PM
4:21 and 4:27 don't have kids. No kids = no need of a car.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:30 PM
My car is my baby. My other car is a ROLLS ROYCE!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:36 PM
I could never survive here without a car. First off, getting around the city with 2 kids can be hellish--whenever we are going anywhere we might be able to park, we drive. It is so much easier! Second of all, if you have kids you "need" to get out of the city often. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford a country house, and the few families I know who don't have one take weekends out of the city very regularly. Urbanism or no, kids need land and space. I can't imagine bringing kids up here without a country house--or at least going to the country often. Which means you need a car.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:38 PM
I think this house is going to go for close the asking price....
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:39 PM
I would buy this brownstone in a Borough of Brooklyn Minute if it had a garage for my cars.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:39 PM
i know park slope supposedly has issues with parking, but i live in the north slope and ALWAYS see spots along my street open.
have a neighbor who has a car who says she never has a problem finding a parking space. it's just the issue of the street-cleaning but that's anywhere you go if you don't put it in a garage.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:43 PM
I would buy this brownstone in a Borough of Brooklyn Minute if it was on a larger lot and came with a midget.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:43 PM
Whats going on with Montgomery Place is that home still unsold?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:44 PM
I would buy this brownstone in a brooklyn minute if it had a landing-pad for my chopper.
-Donald Trump
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:46 PM
I agree 4:38. When I think about the days before we got our well appointed home in the Catskills, I literally start to cry. I remember when my son was 6 years old and several of the children on the playground from a more disadvantaged background were talking about the trips they had taken to the country as part of the "Fresh Air Fund." He came to me and said: "Daddy, can we go on a weekend trip to the country like Juan and Jamel?"
I almost lost it right there, but gathered my wits, took him aside and explained that our income was too high to "qualify" him for such an excursion. And yet, it was too low to allow us to afford that must have amenity for those with children: a second home.
To make a long story short, my son started a punk rock band the very next day. He saved all the money he made from gigs in Red Hook and at Southpaw to help us with a down payment on our country house. I recently took a second job at Brooklyn Casket to help pay for the pool (and the pool man), but oh was it worth it!
Where's your place 4:38? Maybe we could get the kids together some time? Or at the very least, could you check to make sure my wife isn't boning the pool man?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:46 PM
I would buy this brownstone in a NY minute if it had rubber sheets on all the beds.
-Robin Byrd
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:47 PM
I love you, 4:46.
I'm glad SOMEONE put 4:38 in her place.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:49 PM
Both places on Montgomery are still on the market. 52 Montgomery Place (listed with same agent as this house) was just reduced. 60 Montgomery Place is still on the market.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:50 PM
nice one, 4:46.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:50 PM
That's cute 4:46. It isn't about status. It is about letting the kids run around, climb trees. Swim in a lake, walk in the woods. See another world. Bringing kids up in the city without regular time in the country is simply cruel.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:51 PM
I plan to buy this brownstone, paint half the walls trompe l'oeil, the other half faux marble. Then I'm a gonna FLIP IT in a borough of brooklyn NANOsecond!
The Whereforeartthou?
Some Day This Brownstone's Gonna End...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:51 PM
Hmmmm, 4:38 and 4:36: I grew up in CG, and my parents did not have a country house. I turned out fine, and I still don't have a country house. You are fortunate to have that luxury, but children are very adaptable.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:51 PM
Regular time in the country requires a "country house?" It's called a DAY TRIP. Or MOTEL 6!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:52 PM
You are disgusting, 4:38.
Simply disgusting.
Most out of touch with reality of anyone who has posted on here in a while.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:53 PM
Um, 4:51, I believe 4:36 was engaging in satire. If not, though, I'd love to hear about what it's like to work at Brooklyn Casket!!
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:53 PM
So many silly comments here! Why are you all so negative about Brooklyn?
I'm one of the people who is moving from my smallish apartment on the UWS to a large house in Park Slope -- I'm sure there are hordes of us, there have been for decades. Obviously I get more space for my money. But I'm not sad about leaving Manhattan at all -- I'd totally prefer to live in Brooklyn at this point. Is it Paradise? No, nowhere is. But most of all I like the combination of beautiful Prospect Park, the low-scale architecture and the slight funkiness of non-mall commercial life still lingering nearby.
As for this house, looks like they've done a top-notch renovation, even if I also hate the style. But it has plenty of bathrooms, AC, etc.. However, what I wouldn't like about it is the lack of a family space. The front parlor is kind of narrow and formal, the dining room is formal and the kitchen is small. The back yard, like all these houses on 3rd street, is tiny.
It seems like -- stylistically and functionally -- it might work better for a couple without kids who want extra room for guests/work-at-home and. On the other hand, big beautiful brownstones in move-in condition are so rare in this location, some family might decide to embrace it with all its limitations.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:53 PM
If you get a chance read 3:26's link it is really very amusing but also insightful.
I think a lot of Brooklyn's recent popularity stems from younger folks from comfortable backgrounds who do not see it as a regression to move to the neighborhoods of Brooklyn. In fact they reject the white middle class burbs that generations of Brooklynites aspired to. Generational change and a reversal of class perceptions are some of the forces at work in the astonishing, and unexpected rebirth of the boro.
Posted by: sam at November 20, 2007 4:54 PM
Devil's advocate here: Many times I've thought about living in a relatively inexpensive apartment in the city, just big enough for my family's needs, even if somewhat cramped, and then taking what I'd save and buying a nice country house upstate. I think I'd rather do this than blow it all on one larger city dwelling.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:55 PM
As soon as this house is sold I'm buying stock in Benjamin Moore.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 4:55 PM
Just one more thing:
A car is like a fancy stove or a fancy fridge, or for that matter glass tiles in your bathroom, you don't need it, but its so much fun to have it.
Posted by: sam at November 20, 2007 5:03 PM
Why are people so shocked by this price? The ugly decor is not hard to change. Brownstones have regularly sold in the 3.5 range around here.. probably this will go for around that. I have no idea what it looked like when they bought it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the owners put a million into it... wonder why they're selling.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:03 PM
What's Brooklyn Casket?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:08 PM
They're probably selling because they've finally realized that they've got no garage, no rubber sheets, no heli-pad, and no midgets.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:09 PM
5:08: if you don't know, don't ask.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:11 PM
AND, they'll be in the shadow of Atlantic Yards.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:11 PM
beyonce bought 4 floors of richard meier's on prospect park.
you heard it here first.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:11 PM
"I wouldn't be surprised if the owners put a million into it."
How? Burning benjamins in the WBFP?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:12 PM
Park Slope is as close to city living paradise as I could imagine, 4:53.
Welcome to the neighborhood.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:14 PM
Seems like there are lots of OTBKB devotees trolling Brownstoner. It might even be Louise herself.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:24 PM
Ah, Park Slope:
http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/45/30_45iphonestolen.html
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:25 PM
5:12 - Have you ever done a renovation? The house must be at least 3500 square feet. High end renovation costs today are in the $300 per sq ft range. Easy to spend a million.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:25 PM
4:55: Hilarious!
Jonathan van meter article interesting -- but I don't really identify. It seems like he's in pursuit of something to do with his youth. Other people (younger than me) will have the same feelings about Williamsburg in its heyday or whereever. I don't really care.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 5:40 PM
Thank G_d Bucks County will be taking that preposterous caricature Van Meter and not the BK.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 6:02 PM
I do identify with that article in NY although I grew up in Manhattan. Manhattan has charms brooklyn never will. Sadly, it is simply unaffordable. And Brooklyn has different charms that can't be found in Manhattan. Mostly for raising children. But ahhh, how I miss central park.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 6:06 PM
5:08, it's the company reminds all those city slickers who come from Manhattan that you can run back... but you cannot hide.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 6:06 PM
Seems like there are lots of OTBKB devotees trolling Brownstoner. It might even be Louise herself.
Who is OTBKB and Louise?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 6:09 PM
6:06, you can still get drugs in brooklyn.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 6:10 PM
6:09, it is a pretty ridiculous blog (and its blog master) responsible for such gems as the Park Slope 100 list, in which many people are thanked, including the blog master's housekeeper, and the nannies of Park Slope.
If you ask me, it's a PR nightmare for an already embattled Park Slope.
http://onlytheblogknowsbrooklyn.typepad.com/the_park_slope_100/
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 6:16 PM
Oh Jeez. This list is just a snarky parody right?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 6:27 PM
She doesn't snark.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 6:35 PM
Isn't she Smartmom? Ugh.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:11 PM
I don't know, I keep reading that the national market declines will finally hit NYC, and that we are aiming for a recession, and a lot of people on this blog blithely talk about how $3 mil for a brownstone worth at least $1 mil less a few years ago is totally normal.
Was the person saying they sold their UWS apt for 2.7 (bought for 350) serious? I find that pretty shocking. Sometimes it's hard to tell on here what is parody and what is real, esp since the NYC real estate market has gotten so surreal. Our PS 3BR/2BA apt, bought in early 2002 for high 400's, is now worth high 900s, but crossing the million dollar mark seems like a big hurdle, given the mansion tax. How the hell are folks like us supposed to trade up?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:15 PM
Of course, 4:38! My working class parents took me to the country house every weekend when I was growing up. We took a Shortline bus up to the bungalow colony in the Catskills. The rest of my friends were away at camp.
Posted by: rh at November 20, 2007 7:16 PM
get a 2nd job.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:18 PM
Yes, the "Only The Blog Knows Brooklyn" is tiresome. Don't bother with it.
Well, this thread certainly got a ton of comments today.
Listen kids, the baby boom going on right now in NYC is partly due to all the boomlet kids aging into parenthood. The huge swell of children from 1945 to 1962 (what was it?...the number of children tripled in just the bunch of years after WW II?) cascaded into a boom of children being born to that generation and now the boomers' kids are having babies.
Yes, the interior of this house reminds me of a nightmare overpriced B&B we once stayed in and the kitchen of a good friend who is unfortunately stuck in that mode. She's the salt of the earth but we don't share the same tastes.
FG/TheGrammarLady
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:22 PM
Smartmom doesn't snark, but she does straight facedly compare her sixteen year old kid to Dylan, Bob.
http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/43/30_43smartmom.html
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:27 PM
Golly Gee. Where is TheWhat when you need him?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:34 PM
Right here, fuckface. Watching as you all go down in flames.
The What
Someday this war's gonna end...
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:37 PM
Exactly 7:18! I hear Brooklyn Casket is hiring.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:45 PM
I will say it once, and I will say it again. IT IS NOT YOUR GOR GIVEN RIGHT TO "TRADE UP" TO A MILLION DOLLAR HOME IN PARK SLOPE!
If you have too many kids and can't stuff them in your 3 bedroom apartment in Park Slope, then go buy a 5 bedroom house in Bay Ridge for 700K. Or Ditmas. Or Crown Heights. Or Sheepshead Bay. Just because you exist, does not make it so the world should revolve around you to afford your mansion. Do what everyone else does in this world: SAVE MONEY, WORK HARDER OR BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.
Jesus. H. Christ.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:51 PM
Hey did Smartmom put Brownstoner on that 100 list?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 7:57 PM
How cool is it that Jesus H. Christ reads Brownstoner?
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 9:22 PM
I'm the person asking about trading up from our 3BR/2BA. FYI, we do work hard and have received raises over time but work in the arts and don't have banking/legal training so there's only so far our salaries are likely to grow. We are also willing to make compromises - we live on a choice block now in PS, willing to move to a less one (fringes of south slope, or maybe windsor terrace), and we also have a big chunk of change besides our apt that we HAVE saved and are planning on putting towards the trade-up. And by the way, moving to Bay Ridge is not a great option for us since we share a nanny in PS and losing that would eat into our hard-won savings, and it would not be possible to keep share if we move too far from other family. So believe me, we are not expecting a "god-given" right. And we are happy with what we have, but with all that we are doing to try to get more space, it just seems unbelievable that our situation, which only 2-3 years ago would have put us in a good position to buy a modest 2-family house (let's say a 16x40 footer) is now one where it's tough. I have seen prices come down, and we have seen a few places that ARE within our reach - it just seems at this particular moment, inventory is low - but mostly, I feel like this blog perpetuates the myth that only 3 mil townhouses are the norm in PS, when in fact, there are some in the more down-to-earth range of 1.5 (our budget) and I just hate when that is totally ignored by all the real estate porn drooling over rising prices here, presumably in part being done by owners/brokers/bankers. Okay, flame away -that's my rant for the day - but at least it's on topic.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 9:30 PM
I agree with 9:30. I've seen homes in PS which are not mansions dripping with detail, but which are perfectly respectable homes if modest in size (again, 16-18 footers) but have sold in the past year in the 1.2 -1.4 range. I could share a list of comps since I've been researching these too. The assumption on this blog that 2-3 mil is the entry point to a house in PS is just silly.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 9:51 PM
The renovation is just plain ugly, and the yard tiny. I laugh at the person who buys this for 3 mil. Looks like a set from the Sopranos.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 9:54 PM
educated people with kids in the city (vs. the burbs) are here to stay. it is fueling the real estate boom. anyone with 2000 sq ft in spitting distance of manhattan will do very very well regardless of the market today. this shift in the in make up of the city is changing lots of neighborhoods.
developers would do well to make their condos family sized in brooklyn.
also, many people are leaving manhattan because it's losing the thing that people came to NYC for in the first place - unique restaurants, shops and bars. people in NYC don't want to live in a chain store environment even if that chain is channel or marc jacobs.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 10:14 PM
Just sold 1100 square feet in PS for a million and buying 3000 square feet in Maplewood for $875,000. It's silly in Brookyn.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 10:30 PM
Mr. Brownstoner, do you purposely look for the most absurd properties? What about showing more townhouses under 2 mil? Wait, knowing you, you'll talk them up and help drive the prices up, so actually go ahead and leave them alone and let the silly rich people squander their money on these 2-3 mil monstrosities.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 11:07 PM
how much are those taxes in maplewood??
12,000....15,000 a year??
enjoy.
new jersey is bankrupt.
and no one needs 3000 sf unless you have 5 children.
so incredibly wasteful.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 11:09 PM
Dude, you live in NEW JERSEY now. Sorry.
Posted by: guest at November 20, 2007 11:29 PM
Smartmom and the OTBKB lady (the 100 list) are NOT the same person. They're both equally sick, though, and give Park Slope a bad name.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 12:13 AM
Oops--12:13 here. Correction: My sister just told me that they ARE the same person. Sorry. I always thought they were two different diseases, but they are one in the same.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 12:27 AM
Amy Sohn is sooo much worse. She is responsible for the following racist and classist gem: "Childcare should be the province of immigrant women trying to get a leg up." This is in reference to her Tibetan nanny in Park Slope.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 12:57 AM
LMFASOROFL?
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 6:50 AM
Oh look at all the lonely people.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 7:02 AM
Supermom is that you quoting the Beatles?
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 8:09 AM
Smartmom's son is a better songwriter than Ringo Starr.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 8:44 AM
Hey Eleanor--sorry, I mean 7:02--how is it that you're not lonely if you have the time to read all the comments and make your own contribution to this pool of lonliness? At 7:02, you should be primping for work at your fulfilling job our scooting your genius level kids off to school--not worrying about all us darkened basement put down artists. But you're not. Because you are one of us. Welcome. Please leave a contribution for the keg.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 8:50 AM
I hate that "god given right person." frankly, fuck you. Where do you come from? In the past, NYC people of all classes could live in Manhattan, let a lone in a far out neighborhood of Brooklyn like PS. The fact that the rich of our society have become SO much richer than middle class that the middle class are priced out of Manhattan all together and increasingly out of most desirable locations in Brooklyn is NOT a sign of a healthy society, it's a sign of the decline of a screwed up society with vast and unhealthy inequities in wealth. People have EVERY right to complain that they can't afford a three bedroom in a neighborhood where they have established roots, and frankly, that was probably a compromise to live in in the first place.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 10:22 AM
You always have Crown Hts 10:22
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 10:29 AM
FYI 10:29 - I recently bought a small house in the neighborhood in which I had rented for 7 years and had been raising children in for 4, so am very lucky. But that "you don't have a right to stay in your neighborhood" person is so bitter and lame and always pipes up when someone bemoans the fact that they can't find anything in a neighborhood they've lived in for years. She is a bitter person who got priced out of Chelsea so berates everyone else who wants to stay in their neighborhood.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 10:33 AM
you sure that's who "she" is, 10:33??
you don't sound like you know your ass from your elbow.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 10:44 AM
I grew up in Beverly Hills all my life. I decided I wanted to work in the not for profit arts, but I can't for the life of me figure out why I can't live in a 3 million dollar house like my parents.
Maybe I'll whine all day about it online to strangers from the basement of my Compton sublet in the hope that someday, somehow I'll be able to afford that place on Mullholland Drive.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 10:46 AM
Straight Outta Compton rocks.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 11:09 AM
Yes I am 10:44. And 10:46 - I guess you're right. It serves those people right. Why should people who choose a career other than banking or lawyering expect to live in a decent neighb in a reasonably sized apt? Who the hell do they think they are? What an unbelievable sense of entitlement these people have! Get ye all to Bay Ridge and Crown Heights. Leave Manhattan, PS and BH to those of us who have made the great sacrifice of pursuing the more renumerative occupations.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 11:10 AM
10:33 the problem is it's not 'their' neighborhood. It's their landlords'. All you people who think there is something wrong with a society where you can't have whatever you want if you don't have the $ for it are hypocrites. What you want is to live in the all white neighborhood where you 'feel' safe sending your kids to a school without metal detector. If you're so up on equality, move to Bed-sty which you can afford. Those who say it's not the blacks they don't like are full of it. BS has better train access along the A/C than those riding the F. It's just as close to the park as many places in S. slope and down below 5th. It has spectacular brownstones. Face it. You want to be in park slope because you're a bigot.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 11:21 AM
The differences between Bed Stuy and Park Slope are not simply about race. Please don't be so naive.
They are about crime, safety, quality of schools, services and the list goes on.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 11:25 AM
11:10...I work in the arts, and I knew full well that when I chose my profession that I would probably never make over a 100K.
Does that mean that I expect the world to provide a mansion for me in the same neighborhood where I grew up???
Hell NO!!
I'm not a baby like half the readers on here, though.
If I wanted that house badly enough, I would have worked on Wall Street. It's all about choices. You made one, so live with it.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 11:27 AM
11:21 - I would rather die than live in Park Slope. And I grew up in Hell's Kitchen in the 70s and 80s - with prostitutes hiding from pimps in my entranceway as I let myself in at nigh - when most of you and your parents were living in YOUR lily white suburbs. So YOU can go fuck yourself.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 11:27 AM
I would rather you die than live in Park Slope too.
We don't want you here, trust me.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 11:30 AM
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, and be thankful for what you have.
The Donald
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 11:38 AM
"I grew up in Hell's Kitchen in the 70s and 80s - with prostitutes hiding from pimps in my entranceway"
How very authentic of you. Shouldn't you be somewhere "keeping it real?"
Go on now, shoo, shoo!
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 11:56 AM
I cant afford the neighborhood I grew up in.
but I grew up in the suburbs and it sucked.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 12:30 PM
agreed, 12:30.
i have a serious aversion to the well-to-do suburb i grew up in. not looking forward to going back there tomorrow.
it is so completely soul-less.
i am so much happier in my little park slope studio than i'd ever be in a place like that.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 12:33 PM
What the hell are you talking about 11:25... CRIME... what decade are you in? Schools.. I some schools in BS did better than the ones in PS this last go round... WHAT ARE THE SERVICES THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT... fresh direct??? If your hood is so safe what are you scared to shop for food???? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IN THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 11:25....
PISSED OFF..
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 12:46 PM
1. No school in Bed Stuy scored higher than schools in Park Slope.
2. Fresh Direct does not deliver to Bed Stuy.
3. The foreclosure rate in Bed Stuy is one of the highest of any neighborhood in NYC.
4. Bed Stuy is one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the 5 boroughs according to the NYC crime statistics.
5. There are very few supermarkets, very few drugstores, very few if any coffee shops, bakeries or you know....stores that one likes to have if they are spending a million dollars on a home.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 12:51 PM
Can we PLEASE get this back to talking about adding helipads to this shitbox?
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 1:07 PM
Someone has never been to bed-stuy...
BREAD STUY
403 Lewis Avenue
BUSH BABY TEA & COFFEE HOUSE
1197 Fulton Street
CAFE TWO FIFTY EIGHT
199 Malcolm X Blvd
COMMON GROUNDS COFFEE HOUSE
376 Tompkins Ave
HEAVENLY CRUMBS BAKERY
355 Franklin Ave
TINY CUP
279 Nostrand Ave
BROOKS VALLEY RESTAURANT
415 Tompkins Ave
FOLUKIE RESTAURANT
1168 Bedford Ave
LE TOUKOULEUR RESTAURANT
1160 Bedford Ave
SHAKOORS SWEET TOOTH
305 Halsey St
SOLOMON's PORCH
307 Stuyvesant Ave
and Bedford Academy scores were higher than most in all NYC
CRIME yeah the police kill all black boys in BS... since there are no black boys in PS only a few mulattos here and there you have us beat there...
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 1:23 PM
so back in the 80's all 5 of those requirements were met by the East Village, Lower East Side, Hells Kitchen, and Harlem.
so where were these cheap places in Manhattan people were living in during the 70's and 80's and getting awesome schooling and fresh direct diliveries? oh and no crime too.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 1:27 PM
To the guy who has never been to BS can simply go to www.shopbedstuy.com
and going to
Channel 2,4,5,7,9 and 11 is not going to BS...
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 1:27 PM
Oh no Park Slope has turned into Fairfield CT.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 1:36 PM
www.shopbedstuy.com to make it easy.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 1:37 PM
In CH or BS you can buy three houses for the price of one in PS - reverse Blockbusting. White people need to organize in small groups pool their resources and make a shitload of money in fringe nabes. Get together with 4 or 5 fellow househunters at the next open house and organize people. Buy near the A express stop on Nostrand and Utica 12 to 15 minutes to the city, it's a no brainer. THINK!!!! Some of it will turn to shit once AY is built but not CH and BS.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 1:49 PM
hello? there are beautiful new apartments in williamsburg for white people. no scary ghetto, close to the city. restaurants, grocery stores. fresh direct delivers.
get a clue.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 2:46 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 2:50 PM
1:23 ssshhhhhh. Don't tell. Actually don't worry. We know it's the racism, not the schools and the services that keep park slope wannabes out of BS. If they can't come up with the coin they'll go somewhere else, but not Bedsty
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 3:02 PM
hello? there are beautiful new apartments in williamsburg for white people. no scary ghetto, close to the city. restaurants, grocery stores. fresh direct delivers.
get a clue.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 2:46 PM
We wantum BIG BROWNSTONUM not scrawny apartmentum. How!
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 3:41 PM
1. No school in Bed Stuy scored higher than schools in Park Slope.
2. Fresh Direct does not deliver to Bed Stuy.
3. The foreclosure rate in Bed Stuy is one of the highest of any neighborhood in NYC.
4. Bed Stuy is one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the 5 boroughs according to the NYC crime statistics.
5. There are very few supermarkets, very few drugstores, very few if any coffee shops, bakeries or you know....stores that one likes to have if they are spending a million dollars on a home.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 12:51 PM
You are not spending one million you are spending three. For 1 mil you get Bed Stuy without the 2 mil amenities you mentioned and the same house 7 minutes away.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 4:41 PM
What does TheWhat make of all this jibber-jabber I wonder?
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 4:58 PM
Or is his typing arm worn out?
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 4:58 PM
yeah, but bed stuy is the ghetto.
everyone knows that.
why do you think as soon as someone said one bad thing about it, all the boosters came on here and had to LIST the services in bed stuy.
too bad that list was pathetic for a HUGE neighborhood.
that's how many stores there are on 1 BLOCK IN PARK SLOPE!!!
idiots.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 4:59 PM
live who you are
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 5:23 PM
yeah, but bed stuy is the ghetto.
everyone knows that.
why do you think as soon as someone said one bad thing about it, all the boosters came on here and had to LIST the services in bed stuy.
too bad that list was pathetic for a HUGE neighborhood.
that's how many stores there are on 1 BLOCK IN PARK SLOPE!!!
idiots.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 4:59 PM
Hence the 3.7 million price tag, genius.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 5:52 PM
THIS HOUSE IS IN PARK SLOPE!
WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BED STUY?
NO ONE CARES
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 6:14 PM
you get what you pay for, 5:52.
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 6:14 PM
Bed Stuy, Park Slope, it's all the same. FUCKED. Hope you all enjoy your 100K houses in one year's time!
The What
Someday This War's Gonna End...
Posted by: guest at November 21, 2007 9:58 PM
park slope is boring.....
Posted by: guest at November 26, 2007 11:06 AM
Does anyone know why the owners of 551 3rd are selling?
Posted by: guest at February 3, 2008 11:27 AM
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