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October 3, 2007
Development Watch: 525 Clinton Avenue Check-In
The 13-story condo development at 525 Clinton Avenue is looking great, we think, but it's not exactly flying along. As we've said before, we think this place'll be a nice boost for the neighborhood—and hopefully help inspire more retail activity along this stretch of Fulton. (Speaking of which, when's the Pequena gang going to get in gear on the old bodegas space that PACC awarded them last spring.) Anyhoozles, perhaps the slow pace has something to do with the special curtain wall that the developers are using on the exterior. One thing's for sure, those upper floors are going to have some sweet views.
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Please don't post these lengthy cut-and-pastes more than once.
Thanks,
Mr.B
Posted by: The What at October 3, 2007 12:23 PM
The What you truly make me want to stop coming to this website. You are crazy, but also so sadly myopic. You know what, what? real estate isn't the be all and end all of the universe. There are actually things more important than rising and falling house prices. EVERYONE knows the market is jittery. PLEASE stop trying to give this fact some transcendent substance with your RIDICULOUS quotes.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 12:32 PM
Perhaps it is time for a blog of his/her own for The What.
Posted by: Putnamdenizen at October 3, 2007 12:36 PM
Does anyone have pricing or know when they will be ready? I am debating between buying at On prospect park or waiting around for 525 Clinton. Any suggestions? I have been following this project for months now.....I must admit this really looks great, it certainly distinguishes itself from the fake glass buildings. Did some research and found that this developer did the greenhouse. My cousin lives there and loves the place.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 12:36 PM
For the views of Prospect Park alone, I'd say On Prospect is a better bet. The location is far superior also.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 12:42 PM
Ugh...I hate that place for one very good (IMHO) reason: it "perfectly" blocks the view of the Empire State Building from my roof. We used to have a great view of Manhattan...now this ruins a great part of it.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 12:44 PM
the building looks great! I think it will be the nicest new development around, do you think the cause of the delay is due to the death of David Mandl which is the architect whom designed the building ?
http://www.onehansonplace.com/2007/08/525-clinton-glass-tower-goes-up.html
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 12:45 PM
uh ya know what's a good hedge against inflation? Owning real estate. Pick up an econ 101 text.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 12:58 PM
i think 'the what' needs to be shut out from this site. get some meds and a hobby cause you are truly nuts. stop watching apocolypse now and clockwork orange over and over and get a life. its weird and ridiculous for the rest of us back on earth.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:02 PM
Seems really hard to believe that the same people who are considering Un Prospect Park would also consider this development. An okay modern building in a less than great location - right off Atlantic - versus GAP? Don't get me wrong, I love Clinton Hill. But I suspect the earlier posters are trying to create some sense of equivalence for the two projects when in my mind they aren't even close.
Posted by: Putnamdenizen at October 3, 2007 1:09 PM
Let's hope that the developer has a better idea of what people expect from a building like this than Richard Meier did. It appears that this building is at least going to have real ceiling heights and even a unique design. If your going to build a glass tower, do it in an area that will benefit from the addition to the community. Unlike OPP which is completely out of character and takes away from beauty of Prospect Park and Grand Army Plaza. I think 525 is a great addition. Let's face it there's a lot more coming with Atlantic Yards and this one looks to be classiest by far.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:10 PM
"uh ya know what's a good hedge against inflation? Owning real estate. Pick up an econ 101 text."
No dumbass, Real Estate must be maintained. Which cost money. Stocks and Gold over time is better.
"i think 'the what' needs to be shut out from this site. get some meds and a hobby cause you are truly nuts. stop watching apocolypse now and clockwork orange over and over and get a life. its weird and ridiculous for the rest of us back on earth."
I will give you the right to have an opinion if, you give me the right also.
Why am I nuts? I bring evidence of a corrupt financial system. I guess you don't have a car or buy food. Inflation robs us all.
Posted by: The What at October 3, 2007 1:12 PM
building looks pretty....clean design. It looks like every apt will be a corner unit.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:12 PM
The woman who designed the interior of Morimoto will be doing interior design here too. I'm hopeful it will be nice.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:16 PM
1:02: "i think 'the what' needs to be shut out from this site."
Agreed. Enough threadjacking, spamming and crapflooding.
The What: "I will give you the right to have an opinion if, you give me the right also."
I'd totally agree IF THIS WAS YOUR SITE. You've chosen to feed off someone else's site and audience. You have no rights.
And obviously no balls or you'd start your own forum rather than be a parasite.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:19 PM
"I'd totally agree IF THIS WAS YOUR SITE. You've chosen to feed off someone else's site and audience. You have no rights.
And obviously no balls or you'd start your own forum rather than be a parasite."
You have no balls to get a log-in.
Posted by: The What at October 3, 2007 1:22 PM
"Seems really hard to believe that the same people who are considering On Prospect Park would also consider this development."
Agreed. But I am still trying to figure out who the target audience for OPP is. Seems to me that if you are going to drop $6m for a unit in a rather unremarkable glass box, you would do that in Manhattan.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:22 PM
Why is it so hard for people to simply ignore certain posts? Just skip over The What if you don't find his/her posts of interest. Is that really so difficult?
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:28 PM
I actually just heard from someone recently that you really have to go see OPP to appreciate it. He said the views are STUNNING and that the interiors are spectacular.
And said the way you can just look over the trees of Prospect Park is pretty incredible.
I asked about the ceiling heights because I had heard they were low, but he said he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.
This was a major designer in Manhattan, btw who went to look. He had nothing but good things to say about the place.
And no, I'm not a broker.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:37 PM
I also agree that it's REALLY weird that someone is comparing this place to OPP and trying to decide between the two.
For one, the prices are not even close. OPP is like a million for a 1 bedroom.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:38 PM
No dumbass 1 out of 2. Stocks are not a hedge against inflation. Stocks may be a better investment than real estate but they do not hedge against inflation.
Look up the word hedge or perhaps thats too advanced start with the word inflation.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 1:50 PM
"No dumbass 1 out of 2. Stocks are not a hedge against inflation. Stocks may be a better investment than real estate but they do not hedge against inflation.
Look up the word hedge or perhaps thats too advanced start with the word inflation."
Over Time.
Posted by: The What at October 3, 2007 1:51 PM
Something about the look of this building is really appealing, I can't quite put my finger on it, but I find it a welcome addition to the neighborhood. And I look forward to the effect it might have on Fulton around here as well. I've heard that they did begin working on the old Bodega's space, which will take up more than half a block of Fulton, but the big elephant in the room is still the Methadone clinic at Fulton and Waverly.
My understanding is that Tish James is defiantly not interested in closing it down, but is looking for support for a plan to combine the three local clinics into one.
For those of you reading this with an interest in improving Fulton, I recommend voicing your opinions on the subject to her office. She can be very responsive, and this issue seems to be coming to a head:
Councilwoman Letitia James
Letty7627@aol.com
718-260-9191
Posted by: Lothar of the Clinton Hill People at October 3, 2007 2:06 PM
She's not interested in closing it down? Is she interested in being re-elected?
There is a clinic on Fulton at Classon, where is the third? If combined, it certainly should not be combined into the Waverly location.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 2:12 PM
Initially, I wasn't too enthused about 525 Clinton - it seemed incongruous relative to the other beautiful historic residential buildings that line the nearby streets. That said, if 525 Clinton stimulates business development on Fulton Street, no-one will be happier than me! Surely the good folk that buy apartments at 525 Clinton will join me in agitating for a really decent supermarket/fresh produce store?
In a similar vein, there's already signs of increased life on Fulton (despite the ongoing roadwork!), which warms my heart. Not only does work look like it's proceeding on the old Bodegas space mentioned by Brownstoner, but it looks like development plans for the long-dormant Sharon's Dance Theater space are moving ahead: a few days ago, I saw some sort of construction permit in the window. Huzzah!
Posted by: nellymikhaiel at October 3, 2007 2:30 PM
i really hope that fulton starts to take off now with these condos happening. years ago i would have thought fulton would change quicker than myrtle, given the trains. but myrtle has changed remarkably in the last 2 years and is slated for even more significant changes, while fulton has languished. the only thing i can think is that the myrtle BID got started earlier, so hopefully fulton will get its due now with its BID.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 2:40 PM
Granted it was probably a year ago, but last we spoke to her about it she was trying to get the clinic moved by consolidating it with the other clinic that just on the other side of Fulton. People running the clinics weren't exactly being cooperative, as we recall. There's no reason she should be in favor of the clinic, as most of the people it serves are not her constituents. The commute to the clinic by subway and then loiter on the street.
Posted by: brownstoner at October 3, 2007 2:41 PM
I also would like to know where the other clinics are located aside from the Fulton and Waverly location. There was heavy discussion on the Brooklynian site regarding the methadone clinics.Tish James would have to revisit the topic if enough people voice their discontent.Also,in regards to businesses forming along the Fulton St. corridor between Vanderbilt and Classon Avenues,anyone know if there is anything slated for the Subways location? That spot seems to be blighted. A nice pastry /sandwich shop like TinyCup would work well there good foot traffic and all.That being said,I must say I welcome the changes taking place. Been waiting along time for progress.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 3:10 PM
Mr B.- Points for the use of 'anyhoozle.'
Posted by: Park Place at October 3, 2007 3:11 PM
Another reason I won't vote for Tish again. If you are not dirt poor, a drug addict, or an evil developer you're not on her radar.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 3:53 PM
3:53, I am none of 3 you mentioned and Tish James has been very responsive and helpful to my family and a few of my friends.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 5:10 PM
The Subway sandwich place has been reopened as a Subway. The old Bodegas signage is down and brown paper is up in the windows so it looks as if something is finally being done. Does anybody know what is happening at the old dance studio?
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 5:16 PM
Yea, this place is so amazing that rats have already started moving in.
This construction is causing a huge rat infestation down the whole block. And no, its not due to trash being left on the block because the housing and health department make routine visitations. The rats have over-run the block so much that they routinely get run over by cars. So I hope that whoever posted about the wonders of this new building love living with the rats that come along with it.
Your new neighbors are waiting for you.
Posted by: guest at October 3, 2007 8:07 PM
Mr. B-
Tish James may not be serving the clinc users as you say they are not her constituancy...incidentally, there are many many other perople in this neighborhood who feel the same way i.e. homeowners who do not necessarily agree with all her tacticas who pay taxes and VOTE.
Just a thought.
Posted by: guest at October 4, 2007 7:44 AM
Are all the positive posts on here from brokers or the developers? This building looks like shit! Just because it's glass you think it looks nice? It's out of scale and really looks cheap! How do you know who is designing the interiors? Who in there right mind can compare this to Richard Meir?!? That's just flat out silly! The location sucks, just that, sucks! Who were they thinking of when they designed this plexiglass building? Do they really think that the more money they pour into it the more they can charge? Are they really only trying to target people from Manhattan? The decisions some developers make really baffle me.
Posted by: guest at October 4, 2007 9:49 AM
I disagree, and no I'm not a broker. This place does not look cheap, and for a change they are definitely going high end, including with the interior design.
As for the rats comment, rat infestations come when there is demolition of old structures where they live. Plug up the holes in your houses, as the whether gets cold, rats and mice will be looking for shelter... :)
Posted by: guest at October 4, 2007 10:42 AM
it does look cheap actually.
if you know anything about building practices, this place is about as cheap as they come.
Posted by: guest at October 4, 2007 10:57 AM
I'm not liking it.
It looks a lot like something you would see as part of a government scheme instant housing for the Brasilia slum. With the methadone clinic around the corner I'm sure it will be fine.
Posted by: gwbrubaker at October 4, 2007 11:04 AM
"Who in there right mind can compare this to Richard Meier?!? That's just flat out silly!"
"It does look cheap actually.
if you know anything about building practices, this place is about as cheap as they come."
I think its a perfectly valid comparison. The building is constructed in what seems to be Richard Meier's preferred design, architectural concrete core with expansive glass curtain wall exterior. As far as I can tell that makes it a pretty strong comparison.
Regarding the construction comment, could someone please educate me as to why this is "as cheap as they come". In previous posts it says that the developer of this building developed The Greenhouse Condominiums on Carlton and Greene. That building was definitely not "as cheap as they come". In fact I believe that it achieved the highest sales prices in area when it was sold. Why does anyone think this would be an inferior product. Typically a developer will improve on their product, obviously there are exceptions to that statement, but it doesn't seem that this guy is one of them.
Posted by: guest at October 4, 2007 4:27 PM
I did not like the look of the Greenhouse Condos, but do like this building. I like the fact that they're also using the high end glass for thermal/noise/UV reduction and that Stephanie Goto is designing the interiors. Very up market, and a good call imo.
Posted by: guest at October 4, 2007 4:59 PM
I like the look and location on the street of this project very much. I think that it'r great that this development sits in a residential area. A real neighborhood with beautiful brownstones. I did some research and the manufacturer of the curtain.....pretty amazing stuff, it's far superior to what anyone else has used in any other NYC projects so far. The building looks as though each unit will be a corner apartments.....that will hoefully mean lots of air and good exposures. Is there an interest list for this project.....where can I get more info?
Posted by: guest at October 7, 2007 11:09 PM
525 Clinton Avenue is a horror. The developers cared nothing about the surrounding community or the style of it. I remember before the project was even started because I am often in the Church of St. Luke & St. Matthew. It has no scale or relation to the the surrounding area. As is often the case money is supreme, never mind the character of the neighborhood or the people who have been living there for decades. This is major disrespect. I am glad the project has not moved forward as quickly as I am sure the developers of it had hoped. Good.
Prediction: There are going to be increasingly more speculative projects like this slowing to a crawl. That's a good thing. Enough of this running roughshod through Brooklyn.
Al
Posted by: guest at October 19, 2007 5:08 PM
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