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September 12, 2007
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Bed-Stuy. Photo by Photo by bonechilling.
Census: More Blacks Leaving New York and Other Cities [NY Times]
A Warning From Bernanke, but No Hint of a Rate Cut [NY Times]
Ex-Jet Eyes $7.25M Pad at 1 Brooklyn Bridge Park [NY Post]
NYC's Low Homeownership Rate [NY Post]
Council Bill to Regulate Air Conditioners [NY Sun]
New IHOP Coming to Downtown [NY Daily News]
Problems at 166 Montague [Brooklyn Eagle]
AY Lawsuits Over by '08? [AY Report]
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where in Bed Stuy is that?
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 8:22 AM
Franklin, couple blocks before Fulton
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 8:32 AM
The Brooklyn Eagle link isn't working.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 9:21 AM
http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=27&id=15348
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 9:29 AM
It's on Nostrand between Halsey and Hancock, I think, a couple of short blocks north of the Nostrand stop on the A/C at Fulton St.
Posted by: rf at September 12, 2007 9:43 AM
NY Times had an article about this building a few months back. Great example of how rent control helped destroy this city back in the day. It was designed by a fairly well known architect, very high end, by the late 70s the landlord was getting less in from his rent stablized/controlled apartments than it cost to pay just the taxes and insurance on the building. Not surprisingly it badly deteriorated and suffered a terrible fire. They said that the interiors which were magnificent were totally lost but the exterior is still quite remarkable.
Posted by: Brooklynnative at September 12, 2007 10:03 AM
Census Shows More Black Residents Are Leaving New York and Other Cities
And Brownstoner doesn't like race wars on this blog?
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 10:31 AM
Um, that's the exact headline from the New York Times.
Posted by: brownstoner at September 12, 2007 10:39 AM
The Alhambra Apartments in the picture above were designed in the 1890's by ....Montrose Morris. He is one of the most important architects in Brooklyn history, and many of his best buildings are in Bed Stuy and Crown Heights. He also designed the Renaissance Apartments just north of this building, as well as the magnificent Imperial Apartment building on Grant Square at Bedford and Pacific. More of his residential design can be found on Hancock Street between Marcy and Thompkins.
This is his best one, in my opinion, and makes ingenious use of the open spaces where the fire escapes are. It was boarded up through most of the 80's and was then brought back to life as affordable housing, as were the Imperial and Renaissance Apts. I would love to have seen the interiors of both in their prime. I don't like the commercial spaces stuck on to the front, but compared to what they looked like before the renovation, this is a great improvement.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 12, 2007 11:08 AM
I know that this is the headline, my point is that you featured it.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 11:17 AM
With the prices for houses/condos, who wants to stay in NY and tuff it out?
Atlanta has 5br houses with 2-3 baths big yard etc for 200K, sure seems tempting....
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 11:19 AM
Have you ever BEEN to Atlanta?
If your idea of heaven is living in Georgia where 30 minutes outside the city center, slavery is alive and well, please be our guest...
You think I'm joking? Go check it out.
And 11:17, if you think it's such a big deal, why don't you go bother the NY Times for writing the piece. It IS pertinent and interesting for most of us. Clearly you have some issues.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 11:33 AM
11:27, if you bothered to read the article, instead of trying to incite a riot, you'd see that most of it isn't only about the decline of black people in the city. It's about the changing demographics and ethnic makeup of the city as a whole, and the decline of the black population is a part of that change. It also says that the Hispanic population is rising, among other things, and that more white people are moving back to the city. This is the constant ebb and flow of people that has been going on since the Dutch kicked the Indians out. The names of the players change with the times. As someone in the article says, we all manage to get along pretty well. Can we keep it that way?
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 11:47 AM
Sorry, my comments are directed to 11:17.
Guest 11:47
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 11:48 AM
Moving South to Atlanta is not for everyone, but THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE BETTER. Yes, even in Georgia. That's how bad NYC schools are. When these African American families can't afford private schools in NYC, and want a good education for their children and want success for their children, it can make sense to leave. So try thinking about what's right for the future generation. Staying in NYC might not be it. Obama didn't come from inner NYC. He had a shot at a good education, where he grew up.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 12:08 PM
Inner NYC?
You mean, Manhattan, where the median income far surpasses nearly every other place in the country?
Yeah, sounds horrific.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 12:27 PM
This building, the Alhambra Apartments, was brought back from the dead. It did not suffer a devastating fire, it suffered three devatating fires. It was a ruin. The comeback is remarkable. Now all three of the Montrose Morris apartment buildings: the Alhambra, the Imperial, and the Renaissance, are restored and once again adorn the streets of Bed Stuy and Crown Heights.
If a 'Before" picture of this building were posted today, half the comments would be to tear it down as it looks too far gone.
Posted by: sam at September 12, 2007 12:36 PM
Smug spoiled people who live in a bubble like you, 12:27 are what makes the low-income people feel ignored here. They DO exist you know! Like lots of them, in NYC. Try leaving the Upper East Side once in a while.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 12:50 PM
I had no idea low income people live in New York City.
No idea, whatsoever.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 1:01 PM
why is it that when I post here, my post goes up and then later it disappear? What am I doing wrong?
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 2:40 PM
"Moving South to Atlanta is not for everyone, but THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE BETTER."
You've got to be kidding. Atlanta's school system is considered in a state of crisis, and some I know who moved there from the Brooklyn and Bronx found that out. For one cousin, what her child was learning in the 4th grade in Atl, she had already learned in the 3rd grade in the Bronx.
What Atlanta may have over NYC is discipline in schools. I think that's the big issue in NYC schools, unruly students is classrooms. If Board of Ed came up with a better plan to address this, things would greatly improve.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 3:56 PM
atlanta school system is a shitshow.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 4:19 PM
Atlanta is a shitty place.
Anything in North Carolina is much better.
b/c im from there.
also slavery is not "alive and well" anywhere in the south unless you count immigrant labor which happens everywhere.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 5:11 PM
Slave like attitudes then.
My ex girlfriend's parents have a maid that they pay horribly and so did everyone else in their town in Georgia.
They couldn't even throw their own garbage out. The maid did it for them.
It was weird.
And scary.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 6:07 PM
If you think having a maid throw out your trash is tantamount to slavery, what do you thimk of how thousands of PS stroller moms treat their babies nannies? Like mammies! If you think that slavery is alive and well in Atlanta, then there are slave auctions going on everyday in Park Slope. That's weird and scary.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 9:56 PM
The restoration of the Alhambra Apartments was a miracle.
Now, as African Americans move out of Brooklyn to more affordable and modern cities and towns (and they will surely find better lives there) Bed Stuy may turn full circle and become a mostly white bourgeoise neighborhood once again. History is unpredictable.
Posted by: guest at September 12, 2007 10:20 PM
10:20, it may only be how you phrased it, but I am disturbed by your assertion that African Americans will find better lives in more modern and affordable cities and towns.
Are you asserting that we can't be comfortable in old cities, or that a majority of us can't afford to have good lives here, and will somehow cede Bed Stuy back to the white bourgeoise?
History may not be predictable, but neither of those options apply here. Bed Stuy will certainly become a more racially mixed neighborhood, as time goes by, but I don't think it will ever become mostly white again, nor does it need to be in order to be a desirable neighborhood.
Posted by: guest at September 13, 2007 12:10 AM
@ 10:20 your statement is absolutely ridiculous.....
I own in Bed-Stuy and the whites that you are talking about moving in are actually renting, So are you implying that if whtes move in that
it would be better??? Get a clue when white move in it helps diversity.
Posted by: mysideofstuy at September 13, 2007 1:16 AM
i never understand why park slope still gets shit on by people when its obvious it not even the most expensive place in brooklyn (Brooklyn Heights, DUMBO, Cobble Hill) and parts of Manhattan (Tribeca, West Village, UES) have WAAAAAAAAY more strollers.
kinda lame.
Posted by: guest at September 13, 2007 8:35 AM
Atlanta CITY schools might suck, but most people migrating there are choosing the smaller towns around Atlanta. Atlanta is a commuter city. Downtown just about died completely in the 90's there were so few people living inside the city. They only worked there, then went back home in the suburbs at night.
Posted by: guest at September 13, 2007 11:18 AM
the world is moving towards urbanism.
if you'd like to be left in the dust, move to the outskirts of atlanta.
enjoy.
Posted by: guest at September 13, 2007 11:35 AM
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