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September 21, 2007
Rental of the Day: J Condo Two-Bedroom

Looks like the heady days of unit flipping at Dumbo's J Condo are over. At least one apartment in the tower is being offered for sublet, a 1,200-square-foot 2-bedroom, 2-bath that’s going for $4,195 a month (with an option to buy after a year). How have other resales in the building fared?
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90% of the sales and rentals on the nestseekers website are fake.. call them up and they'll pull the usual 'oh that just rented, but I have this other one that you might like that's half the size and double the money'. DO NOT trust that company!
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 12:45 PM
Since when is DUMBO "Brooklyn's most coveted neighborhood"?
And the living area with *very* open kitchen doesn't seem idea to me. And WOW! Those are Manhattan prices, prime ones at that!
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 12:45 PM
This is very interesting. I bet they are renting this place to ride out the (possible)market downturn. Maybe they are hoping there will be more available buyers in a year or so when the banks are recovering from the subprime mess.
I don't think they are going to have too diffcult a time renting. It is a brand new lux apartment in a nice building with lots of living space. Maybe knock a couple hundred off to an even 4K.
I wonder what this place would sell for now?
Posted by: cwh812 at September 21, 2007 12:45 PM
Someday this war's gonna end. That'd be just fine with the boys on the boat. They weren't looking for anything more than a way home. Trouble is, I'd been back there, and I knew that it just didn't exist anymore.
Captain Benjamin L. Willard - Apocalypse Now
Good Friday to the clueless. Well the markets are real quite now.
However something is coming down the pike. I know I know 'stop wit this shit already'.
I want you to think this weekend about America financial future. Are we prepared for a crash? Has inflation destroyed the money supply? Did I work harder for less? Why half my income go to rent or my mortgage?
Folks I don't think we are better off with high prices. Be well, have a great weekend.
Posted by: The What at September 21, 2007 12:47 PM
thats way to expensive
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 12:51 PM
Few things frustrate me more than an illegible online floorplan. Blow up your freakin' floorplans realtors!
I hate to say it but I think $4.2K is reasonable for that area and building. At least for now. I think we have a rental bubble that will deflate behind the price bubble. That's what happened last bust. Rents went down too.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 12:54 PM
Unfortunately "What", most people in New York are not paying 50% income on rent or mortgage. There is ALOT of money out there and these prices are very affordable to a large segment of the population.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 12:59 PM
apparently we'll have to wait until next week for the bubble to burst b/c this just went into contract over the past week -
http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&listingid=865587
Posted by: BrooklynLove at September 21, 2007 1:01 PM
ridiculously overpriced. Then after paying a year of rent, you get to shell out what - probably 1 mil + for the honor of owning that awkward apartment? In DUMBO?
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:04 PM
And contracts are ABSOLUTELY guaranteed to close.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:05 PM
you're a idiot, 1:05.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:10 PM
Blow me 1:10.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:14 PM
"And contracts are ABSOLUTELY guaranteed to close."
Yup. Just ask the homebuilders.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:18 PM
I think the point is someone is obviously interested and seriously buying at these prices, regardless if it is in the small percentage that dont close - someone wants it and is willing to pay.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:21 PM
"Unfortunately "What", most people in New York are not paying 50% income on rent or mortgage. There is ALOT of money out there and these prices are very affordable to a large segment of the population."
I don't know what planet you live on but, are not affordable to a large segment of the population.
Let's take a look at Taxes, Income and Living expenses. How many people can live day to day and pay the high cost of living? 3.00 gas 4.00 milk and 1400.00 a month 400 sq ft studios.
During the last 5 years, people has lost the metrics of money. The powers that be has sucked the sheeple into thinking high house prices creates wealth.
All of these Condo's will implode folks and I feel sorry for the people who brought in this madness. Time will tell, time will tell.
Inflation is NOT wealth, hard work is!
Posted by: The What at September 21, 2007 1:21 PM
Then why the lease w/ OTB, 1:21 PM?
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:26 PM
Just want to share an epiphany I had last night returning home after a business trip to the deep south.
We flew into LGA from the south and for those of you who have had that flight path you know what I am talking about.
Flew accross Coney Island with views of all of Brooklyn, Prospect Park, Red Hook and downtown. Then came up the Hudson and over the Bronx to the sound and landed.
The whole time I was looking at the amazing sprall of lights, excitment, activity and life. Could even see times square flashing and glowing.
Anyhow, the point is I kept thinking what an amazing city we live in and how truly attractive it is to people everywhere. That and the fact that there was no land left to build - Only Up.
For those of you who push the "Implosion" agenda for whatever reason, you need to look out of the window from a plane and realize this is New York City - The center of the country...There arent going to be insane bargains and dramatic real estate losses. People will always want to be here.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:35 PM
What's the percentage of signed contracts that don't close? maybe 5%?
Somehow twisting a signed contract to fit your agenda of convincing the world no one is buying property any longer is bitter, jaded and really ignorant to say the very least.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:36 PM
Ha!, hard work is wealth huh?
You must be really working hard as a broker in Bed Stuy these days...
I guess posting on message boards to scare people into selling could be considered hard work in some circles.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:38 PM
No one EVER admits being wrong on here which is ridiculous.
I believe most people last week said that the 3.4 million Berkeley Place townhouse was overpriced.
Guess what...it also has a signed contract after 2 weeks on the market.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:39 PM
"For those of you who push the "Implosion" agenda for whatever reason, you need to look out of the window from a plane and realize this is New York City - The center of the country...There arent going to be insane bargains and dramatic real estate losses. People will always want to be here."
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:35 PM
Barbara Corcoran! Welcome back to the apple. I just love your 'look out of the window from a plane' real estate analysis. You are a genius. We don't need hardcore fundamental evidence to show that prices will continue their upward spiral. Just cop a plane ticket.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 1:58 PM
"What's the percentage of signed contracts that don't close? maybe 5%?"
Outdated statistic calculated when credit, oh I'm sorry, money, was plentiful.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:00 PM
Ha!, hard work is wealth huh?
You must be really working hard as a broker in Bed Stuy these days...
I guess posting on message boards to scare people into selling could be considered hard work in some circles.
No, you can do what you want to do. Hard work to produce income. I don't see any houses that can produce income after expenses these days. You will have to put out money from day one.
"No one EVER admits being wrong on here which is ridiculous.
I believe most people last week said that the 3.4 million Berkeley Place townhouse was overpriced.
Guess what...it also has a signed contract after 2 weeks on the market."
Let's see that puppy close. Jumbo's are 9.5 % now. I was looking at the rate sheet today, the rates was ugly!
Posted by: The What at September 21, 2007 2:00 PM
Hey 1:58 - Nice try at dry wit.
I am just offering my view of NYC from a different perspective - never said anything about offering real estate analysis or that prices will spiral upward.
Not a broker or Barbar Corcoran as you suggest. Just a regular Brooklynite wondering what is in store for the future.
Guess anyone here who doesnt accept the view the anyone who buys or owns in NYC is doomed to poverty and broken dreams is automatically considered a broker - interesting...
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:03 PM
What - I just got a loan commitment for a jumbo at 6.825%. What rate sheet are you looking at?
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:06 PM
Somehow I doubt someone spending 3.4 million a home gives a rats ass about an additional percentage point on their home.
Especially given the fact that it was literally on the market for 2 weeks, so it's not like as if the potential new owners thought about it for weeks or months on end.
They saw it, they liked it, they bought it. End of story.
Every single comment you make, 2:00 is laced with insane amounts of jealousy. Could you try to be a little less transparent?
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:08 PM
"Ha!, hard work is wealth huh?"
Duh. It's called physical labor. Something that we, in this service economy, have all but forgotten about with the exception of construction workers. Without illegal immigration, this country wouldn't have produced shit. African slaves practically built this country. That's wealth like a muthafuckah. They may not have owned it, but they damn sure produced it.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:09 PM
Today's Rates: SEPTEMBER 21, 2007
Product Interest Rate APR Total Points
Jumbo - loan amount greater than to $417,000
($625,500 in AK and HI)
40/30 Fixed-Rate Balloon1 7.000% 7.141% 1
30-year fixed1 6.875% 7.030% 1
15-year fixed1 6.500% 6.749% 1
5-year ARM1 6.750% 7.127% 1
3-year ARM1 7.625% 7.418% 1
Current Jumbo rates from Wells Fargo today -
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:15 PM
The real problem here is that so many people have become SO entitled that they just can't fathom the fact that 35% some odd percent of New Yorkers own property. That's been about steady through the years.
So that means that 30 some odd percent of people who owned property before the uptick in housing and held onto it made a TON of money. Add that to the people who MAKE a TON of money and there are a lot of people in this city with a TON of money.
Just because you don't have it, doesn't mean it isn't out there.
You should get used to it, because even if everyone loses 20% of their homes value there is still a TON of money in this city.
Get a 2nd job or work a little harder at your first if you'd like to play with the bug boys.
Otherwise, accept it and move on.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:16 PM
Hey clueless, I would like you to read this rant. The powers that be sold you a bag of shit. If you don't think this not connected to what's going on then, you deserve everything you get when Real Estate crashes. This is the worst president in our lifetime and when he leaves all hell is going to break loose.
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/309485032.html
I'm having the worst damn week of my whole damn life so I'm going to write this while I'm pissed off enough to do it right.
I am SICK of all this bullshit people are writing about the Iraq war. I am abso-fucking-lutely sick to death of it. What the fuck do most of you know about it? You watch it on TV and read the commentaries in the newspaper or Newsweek or whatever god damn yuppie news rag you subscribe to and think you're all such fucking experts that you can scream at each other like five year old about whether you're right or not. Let me tell you something: unless you've been there, you don't know a god damn thing about it. It you haven't been shot at in that fucking hell hole, SHUT THE FUCK UP!
How do I dare say this to you moronic war supporters who are "Supporting our Troops" and waving the flag and all that happy horse shit? I'll tell you why. I'm a Marine and I served my tour in Iraq. My husband, also a Marine, served several. I left the service six months ago because I got pregnant while he was home on leave and three days ago I get a visit from two men in uniform who hand me a letter and tell me my husband died in that fucking festering sand-pit. He should have been home a month ago but they extended his tour and now he's coming home in a box.
You fuckers and that god-damn lying sack of shit they call a president are the reason my husband will never see his baby and my kid will never meet his dad.
And you know what the most fucked up thing about this Iraq shit is? They don't want us there. They're not happy we came and they want us out NOW. We fucked up their lives even worse than they already were and they're pissed off. We didn't help them and we're not helping them now. That's what our soldiers are dying for.
Oh while I'm good and worked up, the government doesn't even have the decency to help out the soldiers whos lives they ruined. If you really believe the military and the government had no idea the veterans' hospitals were so fucked up, you are a god-damn retard. They don't care about us. We're disposable. We're numbers on a page and they'd rather forget we exist so they don't have to be reminded about the families and lives they ruined while they're sipping their cocktails at another fund raiser dinner. If they were really concerned about supporting the troops, they'd bring them home so their families wouldn't have to cry at a graveside and explain to their children why mommy or daddy isn't coming home. Because you can't explain it. We're not fighting for our country, we're not fighting for the good of Iraq's people, we're fighting for Bush's personal agenda. Patriotism my ass. You know what? My dad served in Vietnam and NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
So I'm pissed. I'm beyond pissed. And I'm going to go to my husband funeral and recieve that flag and hang it up on the wall for my baby to see when he's older. But I'm not going to tell him that his father died for the stupidty of the American government. I'm going to tell him that his father was a hero and the best man I ever met and that he loved his country enough to die for it, because that's all true and nothing will be solved by telling my son that his father was sent to die by people who didn't care about him at all.
Fuck you, war supporters, George W. Bush, and all the god damn mother fuckers who made the war possible. I hope you burn in hell.
Posted by: The What at September 21, 2007 2:26 PM
"No one EVER admits being wrong on here which is ridiculous.
I believe most people last week said that the 3.4 million Berkeley Place townhouse was overpriced."
Rate of change my friend. Rate of change. The rate of things flying off the shelf at prevailing prices has slowed immensely and will continue to do so until prices correct by -25 to -50 percent (real terms). 2005 activity and 2007 activity don't even remotely compare to eachother. Before you know it, we'll be in the red.
Greenspan says double digit depreciation on the horizon. Coming from someone who said, "no housing bubble, just a little froth", that's BAD! The majority of you are blinded by the slow nature of the real estate game. It takes years, not months, to see change. Month-to-month comparisons mean nothing. Aint nothin' upward about the long term trend (5 to 10 years). Read some history - http://tinyurl.com/mythk
.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:29 PM
What - I just got a loan commitment for a jumbo at 6.825%. What rate sheet are you looking at?
Look at you closing cost and the APR. Plus fees. Only BANKS can offer lower rates. But when it's time to close, they will pull a switch on ya.
Banks create money out of thin air. Wearhouse lines of credit are different. The 50 basis rate cut allowed to banks to offer money at a lower prime rate. The other investors want higher returns on their money look at the long end of the bond market , mortgage rates are higher
Look at the date of your loan commitment it was stated months ago. This is different day folks
Posted by: The What at September 21, 2007 2:37 PM
"Today's Rates: SEPTEMBER 21, 2007
Product Interest Rate APR Total Points
Jumbo - loan amount greater than to $417,000
($625,500 in AK and HI)
40/30 Fixed-Rate Balloon1 7.000% 7.141% 1
30-year fixed1 6.875% 7.030% 1
15-year fixed1 6.500% 6.749% 1
5-year ARM1 6.750% 7.127% 1
3-year ARM1 7.625% 7.418% 1
Current Jumbo rates from Wells Fargo today -
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:15 PM
Wells Fargo is a bank and can borrow money from the Fed window.
You need for those programs 720 fico clean credit report and 20% down. Read the fine print!
Posted by: The What at September 21, 2007 2:40 PM
Good grief. I can't be the only one who thinks that "The What" is a complete idiot.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:40 PM
Nope, I'm with you 2:40.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:46 PM
"Good grief. I can't be the only one who thinks that "The What" is a complete idiot."
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma Gandhi
No Baby, I'm not a idiot, just a person you disagree with. Time will tell time will tell......
Posted by: The What at September 21, 2007 2:47 PM
we are all with you, 2:40.
trust me.
he likes to hear the sound of his own voice.
period.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:49 PM
What - My loan commitment and rate lock are dated 9/18. The banks fees are only $1,100.
Not sure what switch you think will be pulled, but The good faith estimate, truth in leanding and 60 day lock terms all seem pretty air tight to me.
Oh btw my Fico is over 720 but I only put 10% down.
Ciao
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:49 PM
2:29. your information is inaccurate at best.
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 2:55 PM
Party on people!
Posted by: The What at September 21, 2007 3:01 PM
Keep up the moronic posts, The What!
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 8:15 PM
Terms
30 Year Fixed Points 0 0.75 2
Rate 6.375% 6.125% 5.875%
APR 6.41% 6.23% 6.10%
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15 Year Fixed Points 0 1.125 2
Rate 6.000% 5.625% 5.375%
APR 6.06% 5.86% 5.74%
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10 Year ARM Points 0 1 2
Rate 6.500% 6.125% 5.875%
APR 6.67% 6.51% 6.44%
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7 Year ARM Points 0 1.125 2.125
Rate 6.375%* 6.000% 5.625%
APR 6.65% 6.57% 6.47%
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5 Year ARM Points 0 1.125 2.125
Rate 6.375%* 5.750% 5.375%
APR 6.71% 6.57% 6.52%
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 Year ARM Points 0 1 1.75
Rate 6.125% 5.375% 5.000%
APR 7.45% 6.62% 6.59%
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Year ARM Points 0.125 0.25 0.375
Rate 5.375% 5.250% 5.000%
APR 7.23% 6.78% 6.77%
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Posted by: BrooklynLove at September 21, 2007 9:54 PM
Pretty consistent with what I have been seeing lately BKLove -
Not sure wtf "The What" is talking about with 9.5% rates, but he claims to be a broker so god help us if he is steering buyers into brokers giving those rates!
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 9:59 PM
What's in the water today? The Yankees tied the game!
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 10:21 PM
eat shit
Posted by: guest at September 22, 2007 12:07 AM
maybe The What is an abbreviation for the The WTF
Posted by: BrooklynLove at September 22, 2007 8:37 AM
What the what will never understand is that some of us bought our place years ago and are up 50, 100 even 200+ percent on our apts or buildings. I put 40 percent down and took out a 15 yr loan. I can accept a big drop cause I'm up so much and would look it as an opportunity to buy a second place.
"You need for those programs 720 fico clean credit report and 20% down. Read the fine print!"
Good that is how it should be.
Posted by: guest at September 22, 2007 10:03 AM
I agree with the poster (2:08) who suggested that someone spending multi-millions on a home couldn't care less about the mortgage rates. It's likely that they don't even need to finance this.
Posted by: guest at September 22, 2007 9:42 PM
Not sure wtf "The What" is talking about with 9.5% rates, but he claims to be a broker so god help us if he is steering buyers into brokers giving those rates!
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 9:59 PM
That's for B C and D Paper Assholess. 680 and below rates
The wonderful 720 fico 20% down 7% interest rate is ONLY for small segment of homebuyers.
Posted by: The What at September 23, 2007 10:46 AM
and that small segment of buyers is the segment looking to buy 1.5 mill dollar apartments.
Posted by: BrooklynLove at September 23, 2007 11:43 AM
2:55,
Inacurate? Why? Break it down please.
And why would your information be accurate. Oh, wait! Where is your information?
Posted by: guest at September 27, 2007 9:34 AM

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