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July 3, 2007
Streetlevel: Olive Garden Coming to Lower Slope
With new Boymelgreen buildings spreading like the clap, it's hard to say that the arrival of an Olive Garden will make Fourth Avenue less classy but it certainly ain't gonna help. You can take some solace in the fact that the future tenancy of the Italian food chain at Isaac Katan's new development at 500 4th Avenue is still classified as a rumor by blogger Five of Toast.
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Knock it all you want, snobs, but this place will be flooded with customers if it opens.
I guess that proves how smart you all are and how stupid anyone who enjoys Olive Garden is, huh?
I hope your condescension helps you feel good. It's fun to look down people who don't share your tastes, isn't it?
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 9:20 AM
spreading like the clap?
Stoner, I'm suprised at you.
How declasse.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 9:31 AM
Brownstoner;
The building going up on 4th and 12th is not a Boymelgreen development. It is being developed by Isaac Katan.
Benson
Posted by: Benson at July 3, 2007 9:32 AM
hahahahahahahaha!
Posted by: Jimmy Legs at July 3, 2007 9:33 AM
We were talking about 4th Avenue in general but good to clarify, 9:32.
Posted by: Brownstoner at July 3, 2007 9:34 AM
OH GROSS!!! This is worse than the clap! Just kill me if I ever order unlimited soup salad and breadsticks!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 9:34 AM
Hope this is not new trend. Meaning that you are going to report all the rumors that float around.
Last weeks McDs on Smith still seems quite suspect.
Posted by: petebklyn at July 3, 2007 9:44 AM
Like it really matters, 4th Ave is crap anyways, This will make it better, Get over it NYC is now just like every else.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 9:48 AM
Its a dine in restaurant- its not like people will be littering the streets with take out wrappers that certain other dining establishments would cause.
Unless you are worried about bloated corpses of over-carbed patrons festering in the streets, but even that is a stretch.
Posted by: Remistompa at July 3, 2007 9:52 AM
I was actually hoping for a Rite Aid.
Posted by: Bookistan at July 3, 2007 9:55 AM
With all that clap spreading, maybe we need more clinics and less clinique. What is the sound of one hand clapping anyway?
Posted by: anon at July 3, 2007 10:05 AM
this will do well but it makes me (a little) sad; with all the great italian in nyc people still want this garbage.
Posted by: anon at July 3, 2007 10:06 AM
Olive Garden is crap...but I'd still rather than than another bodega, Office Max or car service.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 10:19 AM
Why do people care where other people want to eat? No one is forcing anyone to eat at OG or McD's.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 10:27 AM
I think that we can all agree on one thing, in this city there are so many
wonderful places to enjoy authentic Italian... Olive Garden fare is "McDonalds Italian" ... but folks do enjoy the reasonable prices and it probably would do well, and it beats another Rite Aid...
Posted by: bren at July 3, 2007 10:31 AM
As a resident of 12 Street the problem I have with Olive Garden there is parking. Olive Garden in the suburbs is fine because they have a parking lot! They are usually high occupancy restaurant, thus a lot of cars. Maybe the underground parking lot they are building will be used for that.
Posted by: moodyjive at July 3, 2007 10:37 AM
C'mon, let's be honest. There are many places to get great authentic Italian in NYC. There are also many *more* places to get mediocre red-sauce crap that's no better than OG.
I wouldn't eat at OG, but it succeeds by making mediocrity consistent and cheap. You get what you pay for. But better that than getting less than what you paid for.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 10:39 AM
olive garden is where poor people go to eat rich peoples food
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 10:40 AM
What, no Red Lobster?
Well, at least I can use my coupons from the paper ;)
FYI, the clap Mr. B is speaking of is probably will be caught from the toilet seats in the rumored restaurant.
And, it is a Katan, Mr. B.
Posted by: ActionJackson at July 3, 2007 10:40 AM
Maybe it'll turn out to be a bank, like the Applebee's rumor (thank God).
Posted by: donatella at July 3, 2007 10:43 AM
Forgot to add it will be perfect for the folks at Hotel Le Bleu when they want to take the elevator down to 4th Ave and slum it a bit.
Posted by: ActionJackson at July 3, 2007 10:49 AM
Let's drop the snobbery... lots of young
families love these sorts of restaurants
as they're kid-friendly and affordable, much like Mama Leone's from years back.
There are worst things that could land in that spot, the valid point is, as
moodyjive points out, where will folks park?
Posted by: bren at July 3, 2007 10:54 AM
The thing that doesnt make sense is that they are building an upscale condo building (at least thats what the renderings look like). Now if you are going to plunk down a 1/2 to 1 million would you want Olive Garden or for that matter any large restaurant below you?
Posted by: moodyjive at July 3, 2007 11:14 AM
Ugh, the snobbery on this site is sickening! Hel-lo...has anyone thought of this?? As Brooklyn becomes more of a tourist destination (Park Slope being high on the list), chain restaurants will be a familiar, welcoming spot to people whom eat this type of food at home. It's not necessarily for the folks buying up the luxury condos. God Forbid they should be caught dead in an Olive Garden!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 11:30 AM
finally! an authentic place to take my Italian grandfather when he get's his citizenship! you know they train their chefs in Sicily?
Posted by: prego! at July 3, 2007 11:31 AM
http://www.therealdeal.net/issues/JUNE_2007/1180563903.php
Recent article about development on
Fourth Avenue...
Posted by: bren at July 3, 2007 11:34 AM
I say this rumor is false
That being said... Bren you dont know anything about food...
It definitely isnt healthy and it certainly isnt 'fine food' and I know why people don't want to live near one - but McDonalds food is GREAT! It is by far the best in its genre. To compare it to that horrible Olive Garden is ridiculous -
McDonalds is so good (for what it is) I sometimes think it is engineered to be addictive.
Posted by: David at July 3, 2007 11:39 AM
David, I would be fibbing if I said that I haven't enjoyed Mickey D's fare on many occasions through the years, and
truthfully I would enjoy the big freaky clowns fare over the fakey Italian anyday... but I also know that there are many folks who enjoy the friends and family atmosphere of Olive Garden... and it would probably draw a crowd.
Posted by: bren at July 3, 2007 11:48 AM
This is really funny. I worked in Kew Gardens Queens for many years. In the 90s an Olive Garden opened on Queens Blvd., across from Borough Hall. The owners obviously sunk a lot of money into the place, which was physically quite attractive. The restaurant limped along for a couple of years and finally closed, to be replaced IIRC by a dialysis facility. There was no snobbery in it's rejection--the consensus among the largely lower middle class staff of the DA's office, Courts, etc. was that Olive Garden was an Italian restaurant for people who had never had Italian food--a clientele difficult to find in Queens OR Brooklyn. That being said, Olive Garden's soup, salad, and salty white bread "bread sticks" DID make for a good cheap lunch, but most everything else was pretty bad, something obvious to anyone who went to the many non-chain Italian restaurants in the area.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at July 3, 2007 11:56 AM
trendy people who don't eat are inordinately interested in the quality and status of food. I guess they want to not eat only the best.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 11:57 AM
This is so sweet. Now whenever one of my snooty PS friends cops an attitude, or when some obnoxious PS mom knocks me off the sidewalk with her freaking stroller, I can just tell them all to get their asses back to their Olive Garden for unlimited breadsticks!! Oh, God, I just love this! Maybe there is a God after all.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 11:58 AM
OK, Olive Garden in Brooklyn is scary, but who else but a chain could afford to rent in those new condos? Sure beats Duane Reade or another bank.
Posted by: GHB at July 3, 2007 12:12 PM
Get ready people more chains are comin. Manhattan is a mall and Brooklyn soon will be too.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 12:22 PM
It's a race to the finish! UNLIMITED SOUP AND SALAD BAR vs. WHOLE FOODS.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 12:32 PM
Has anyone ever noticed the crowds at the Red Lobster and Olive Garden over at Gateway Mall near JFK off the Belt(by BJ's and Target)? They are always slamming with people. And they're not tourists. Some people (who live in Brooklyn - gasp!) like this kind of restaurant. I'm just saying.
Posted by: rj at July 3, 2007 12:41 PM
Their gorgonzola cream sauce pasta with steak is delicious.
Posted by: Christopher Shores at July 3, 2007 1:07 PM
David (11:39)
Of course McDonald's food is engineered! (Read "Fast Food Nation".)
Lots of chemistry at work in those Mickey D food labs to keep you comin' back for more...
...probably happens with Olive Garden and every other corporate chain restaurant too.
I wouldn't mind OG coming to 4th ave; it beats another flat fix, glass tint shop, deli, laundry center, taxi depot, dialysis center, pep boys, etc.
and not everyone nearby can afford Blue Ribbon and Al Di La...
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 1:27 PM
-soup and salad there are gooood!
-some pasta there is also good, not great, but good.
-it is democratic, meaning lower middle--middle -middle families are made to feel comfortable and welcome. this is not true for many establishments in nyc, with their condescending staff who look down on anyone who isn't thin and upwardly mobile.
-which brings me to my next point, the seats are wide for amble lower-middle bottoms.
-the portions are huge so that you can basically get two meals for the price of one. indeed, you can fill up on unlimited salad & bread sticks and then take your entire meal home!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 1:32 PM
Not everyone grew up going to fine restaurants with their parents as a rite of passage to fine dining later in life. We couldn't afford it, and my mother was a better cook than most chefs, so we seldom went out.
All that to say that this food snobbery which is de regeuer here in NY amongst the monied and young, especially, is not an experience shared by most. Let the market decide. If an Olive Garden makes it on that location, then so what? Those who want to eat elsewhere, do so anyway. What's the big deal? Obviously OG is doing just fine as a corporation, fake Italian or not. I'm sure they cry all the way to the bank about not being respected by foodies.
Posted by: Sterling Silver at July 3, 2007 1:34 PM
WWIB = Working Words into Bullshit
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 2:29 PM
Build it, let those with no taste or imagination (one can find a very decent Italian dinner for under 10.00 in Brooklyn with little effort)inhabit this "food mill" so that I can enjoy my meals in peace and quiet without hearing screaming kids or people ordering gorgonzola alfredo sauce (f'in disgusting).
Posted by: JGNY at July 3, 2007 2:31 PM
Man, I am loving this. It's about time Park Slope got some comeuppance. And Olive Garden...oh brother, when these places move in there is NO getting rid of them. They can weather any storm. The only thing that will get rid of this abomination is if Olive Garden decides to open two mega restarants right on 7th Avenue.
Lol...Park Slope is officially OVER!!!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 2:34 PM
that's what's needed there!
"Cookies restaurant" .... remember when? :)
Posted by: bren at July 3, 2007 2:57 PM
call it "Giardino di Oliva" and give it a rustic facade a la Convivium Osteria and watch them Zagat ratings fly!
Posted by: Jimmy Legs at July 3, 2007 3:05 PM
Oh for heavens' sake, of course I can whip up a pasta and salad dinner that is just as good or better than what they bring me at Olive Garden, but the advantage is that they cook it, I don't have to. Not all the authentic Italiano places in Brooklyn are all that good, altho some are fabulous.
Food is food sometimes you want fancy sometimes you want less fancy, its good to have a choice. I think the food nazis are largely people who either do not know a g-d thing about food except its pretentiousness quotient or they are just repelled about the "masses" eating at all.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 3:07 PM
Hurrah for Anonymous 3:07PM... exactly!
"Food is food you want sometimes fancy, sometimes you want less fancy" ...
Posted by: bren at July 3, 2007 3:35 PM
Bren, I TOTALLY remember Cookies @ Kings Plaza. Used to go there all the time when I was in junior high. I guess that makes you as ancient as I am. ;)
Posted by: yente at July 3, 2007 3:43 PM
And ps...while I'm on the subject of fine dining establishments from Brooklyn's past, may I say how much I'm mourning the loss of Caravelle. RIP, Caravelle, RIP. :(
Posted by: yente at July 3, 2007 3:45 PM
Fifth Avenue below 9th Street is already full of chain stores, so an Olive Garden on Fourth Avenue below 9th Street doesn't strike me as a terrible blight, even though I would never eat there myself. (It's not really food, folks! Sure, it's edible, and it might even be tasty, but it's mass produced, factory-engineered fake food, made from genuine ingredients from which all nutrition has been stripped. It's simply not worth putting into your body, and please dispense with the epithets about my being a food snob: it's easy to get fresh wholesome food in NYC at decent prices.) If more chains migrate north of 9th Street, however, I'd be more concerned.
Posted by: Park Sloper at July 3, 2007 3:59 PM
Hey, whaddya know, it's Gowanus-pitaliano...
Folks, having young children myself (and, like 3:07pm, appreciating having someone else deal with prep+cooking+cleanup on occasion...) I actually see this as a more child-friendly place that might absorb some of the area family traffic, to avoid imposing upon others at the finer, / more authentic restaurants in the neighborhood.
Food is less than desirable, but ain't that often (if not usually) the trade-off for kid-friendly places?
Most parents (like my wife and I) accept the tradeoff in exchange for some semblance of sanity and convenience w/ kids (even if food sux, it's still convenient), and most non-parents that can easily just avoid the place might just find this family-absorbing place to to be a godsend.
No?
Posted by: webster at July 3, 2007 4:17 PM
It makes me very very sad to see all these chain restaurants popping up like a communicable disease. I think its Ebola because it makes my insides bleed. Other people may like them but I don't. The sad thing is that they can (and might) drive the types of restaurants I like out of business. Selfish? You betcha. I was in Battery Park City today and there are no independent anythings there. If a corporation is going to build you a neighborhood, it is going to be in partnership with other corporations based on market studies, i.e, generic. The gardens are lovely, but the buildings are soleless and the place has a sanitized generic feel. No artistry, no sense of place. Olive Garden feels the same way and it depresses me. I just hope one pox on 4th avenue doesn't mean the disease will spread.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 4:23 PM
Sterling -
I highly recommend reading Omnivore's Dilemma for a very interesting study of the idea that we should "let the market decide" regarding the food we eat.
Posted by: SPer at July 3, 2007 4:28 PM
Anon 4:23,
If landlords push lease rates ever higher to max their returns, it'll only be the crappy chains that can afford these addresses.
Your blame may be misplaced.
See Brooklyn Heights (and the death of fine dining there in past decades, passed over for Smith Street and 5th Ave locations etc) for an example.
Rents sky high there, and the only *new* businesses that succeed are ones that can somehow make dough serving the Borough Hall area legal/bureaucratic drones.
Noodle Pudding, perhaps this new Jack the Horse, are the only "newer" (last 20 yrs) exceptions to the rule. All other dining ventures (aside from old standby holdouts) have utterly failed to maintain sustainable business given rents demanded by landlords.
So, oddly enough, it seems that high rents may actually the harbinger of lowest common denominator food.
I wish the neighborhood the best of luck, hopefully this hypothesis is disproven, but something tells me that might not be the case.
Posted by: webster at July 3, 2007 4:31 PM
Maybe it will run like the coop. You can bus tables one night and then eat there the next.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 4:47 PM
Maybe it will be easier to get a table at Al Di La
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 5:00 PM
Webster,
Nice theory, except something tells me they're still charging higher rents on 5th and 7th Avenues than at the corner of 4th and 12th. Just a hunch.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 5:06 PM
the soup is rea! it has beans and veggies! you wouldn't know--you've never been to OG!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 5:11 PM
hmmm, let me see.... yente I was a young mama with a seven year old, living in the slope way back then, and now my son will be 35 in November... you do the math!
( don't respond till I shine up my trifocals and dust off my cane! :) )
Posted by: bren at July 3, 2007 5:55 PM
Anonymous 5:06,
Yep, no doubt. I'm happy to admit I may be wayyyy off base. But definitely don't let that fool you into thinking 4th ave rents are cheap, or at least as cheap as they should be given their much less desirable, much less attractive, lower traffic location.
My wife has been keeping tabs on rents along 4th for a storefront for the last year or so (among other locations), and even though there are a good amount truly less-than-attractive vacancies, you should see what they are asking for rent.
4th ave storefronts has been priced years ahead of reality, whereas 5th and 7th aves are actually in the center of things and can more reasonably be expected to mark up for premium, higher traffic rates.
And so back to my point, it's hardly surprising that a crappy chain is the one that is willing to risk the current (inflated) rents in this less-desirable, fringe area (4th ave in the teens).
Would probably fail the cost risk/reward analysis for most smaller, non-chain concerns.
Ask around, see how many businesses/restaurants or whatever have been turned away due to present rents there (4th in the teens) and I would think (granted, in my limited anecdotal findings via my wife's inquiries) that the whole equation is just much less attractive to anything but larger businesses (pharmacies, banks, fast and/or crappy food chains) that can set much longer ROI horizons.
But again, admittedly, I may be way off.
Posted by: webster at July 3, 2007 6:31 PM
I think this is brilliant. With all the hotels rooms being built maybe the tourists will head over to the OG and leave us with seats at our better haunts free?
Posted by: Anonymous at July 3, 2007 8:47 PM
Olive Garden does harm to the tastebuds.A nice Outback would be more preferable.
Posted by: anon at July 3, 2007 9:22 PM
Did you know that Carvel's cookie puss is actually an upsidedown fudgy the whale? Not a lot of people know that they are made from the same mold. At first I was angry but soon after I thought it quite clever. I know this is off topic but thought somehow it fit well into this coherent discussion about Olive Garden. Happy fourth of July!
Posted by: Argyle Road at July 3, 2007 9:31 PM
Yes, thank you for the cookie puss reference!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 4, 2007 10:30 AM
Ah, Olive Garden. When I used to take my toddler out to the suburbs to shop with my Suburban Best Friend, we'd fill the kiddies (and ourselves) up with the ol' soup + breadstix special. It was part of the whole bland, automotive suburban experience; as a "tourist" of sorts, I rather enjoyed it, and was always secretly amazed and a bit ashamed at how much easier it was to tote a toddler around in that world of available parking spots and clean bathrooms. But then I would get back to Brooklyn, where we would do things like walk through historic neighborhoods and go to places like Ferdinando's Foccaceria, and remember that the 'burbs were "a nice place to visit, but...". What makes me sad is to think that chains like OG are becoming the "familiar" magnets for tourists VISITING US in places like Times Square (or, now, Brooklyn), as someone pointed out above. The idea that you arrive here from Iowa or Atlanta or LA and head straight for...Olive Garden...because it's "just like home"...is kind of sad...just as sad as if I got off the plane in Atlanta or LA and bypassed the Southern food or the taco stands and went straight to...their Olive Garden. I don't think you need to be a "food snob" to mourn a little for the total homogenization of the American food scene--in fact, the saddest part is not that tourists will miss Al di La or some Smith St. Zagat temple, but that they'll miss the funny little joints that make Brooklyn what it is. Good point, though mean-spirited one, about leaving more seats in those for the rest of us, I suppose...
Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at July 4, 2007 12:48 PM
Ever walk through time square. The tourists are actually looking at other tourists thinking they are looking at NY'er. OG is like a safe harbor in a storm. When you ask the desk person at the Holiday Inn Express for a nearby restuarant they will point in the direction of the OG and people will be thankful.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 4, 2007 2:15 PM
"in fact, the saddest part is not that tourists will miss Al di La or some Smith St. Zagat temple, but that they'll miss the funny little joints that make Brooklyn what it is."
All humor aside, Brenda from Flatbush,
you're so right... lets hope that things
never become that bleak...on the other hand, though chain food joints tend to be soulless affairs, with imitation everything, as long as they don't multiply like rabbits all over our Brooklyn nabes, they too have a place... they provide a place for young families to have a night out with the kids and relax... that's a cool thing... also a place for the elderly on fixed incomes to get out and about and to socialize, another good thing.
Young singles, these days rent poor,
can at least enjoy a bowl of soup at a reasonable price!
Oops! can't forget,teenagers on dates...
So these places do accomodate lots of different folks, and in that light are certainly not all bad.
Posted by: bren at July 4, 2007 10:51 PM
Please, all you yups destroyed Park Slope a long time ago. There is no sense of community any more, no identity, just a former shell of a dying neighborhood. You blast OG like there isn't a Starbucks on seventh where you and your ADD children load up on overpriced coffee. Giving your money to the man while conveniently underpaying your nanny who are raising your children for you....So please enjoy a nice hot cup of STFU!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 8:15 PM
I'm so upset that I'm just coming to this discussion. I'm thrilled that the OG is coming closer than Gateway Mall in East NY. Every couple of months, when my son gets to decide where we eat, I find myself driving 40 minutes to go to the Olive Garden. A ten minute drive is much more palatable, so to speak.
Sometimes you want authentic Italian, sometimes you want OG. My son is going to order spaghetti with butter no matter where we are, so I'd rather pay kids' meal prices for it.
I for one found out the hard way - at a very expensive "authentic" Mexican joint - that I actually didn't like Mexican food, that what I had been eating all these years is Tex-Mex. And sometimes (actually, the vast majority of the time), mass produced McDonald's fries are what you crave, not hand-cut-fried-in-organic-oil fries.
Who cares? They're not gutting a brownstone to cram it in there. A hotel seems to be an ideal location for an OG. Bring on the Hospitaliano, and pass the unlimited breadsticks.
Posted by: Amy at July 5, 2007 9:03 PM
For the record Starbucks and Barnes and Noble were not winning the PS popularity contest when they announced their plans for the neighborhood. This was pre-blog days. I'm curious about a few things: When did the neighborhood get destroyed? I read and hear this all the time and while I have seen many changes I am curious about the timeline here. Yes the rents keep climbing and we have seen that pharmacies, banks, and realestate offices, and chains seem to be the businesses that can really afford them. I know the fear of the suburban chains and think that it is because of the neighborhood and community that has been cultivated by creating the food coop, stimulating children's classes, strong public schools, etc. . . that a place like Olive Garden feels intrusive. It doesn't reflect the vibe of the neighborhood. Yes it may be high-brow to dislike OG but the line is drawn for most people somewhere ( McD, White Castle, Spam?). The thing that gets me is the rent arguement because the high rents bring this middle tier chain but the really high rents may bring stores that not as many Slopers would complain about, the top tier chains. So, is it really about rent and chains or the simple fact that OG just isn't in fitting with sensibility of the neighborhood. What chains would people love to see?
Posted by: anon at July 6, 2007 6:12 PM
Everyone knows that for the most part higher prices mean better quality and better prepared food, right? Food snobbery is created like it is for anything else that you study and learn. People do understand that while not inedible, non of the food at OG is fresh. It is all either frozen, preserved or processed. People do know that when you pay lots of money in an expensive restaurant that the food is carefully chosen and prepared? The sauces don't come out of cans. There are just some comments by people that seem to be lacking this knowledge. We have so many talented people in this city that are cooking at many price levels that we shouldn't be eating this steroid pumped toxic food. We should be grateful and happy to have so many talented people that we don't have to be sucked into eating poison. The real insult is that OG thinks that we are stupid enough to eat this shit and feed it to our kids.
Posted by: anon at July 6, 2007 6:34 PM
I like OLIVE GARDEN, they have delicious bread sticks and salad, dont be a snob its just italian food. which is the simplest thing to make, how can you screw up pasta.
Posted by: hi at July 6, 2007 6:37 PM
I like OLIVE GARDEN, they have delicious bread sticks and salad, dont be a snob its just italian food. which is the simplest thing to make, how can you screw up pasta.
Posted by: hi at July 6, 2007 6:37 PM
I like OLIVE GARDEN, they have delicious bread sticks and salad, dont be a snob its just italian food. which is the simplest thing to make, how can you screw up pasta.
Posted by: hi at July 6, 2007 6:37 PM
That's like saying that McD's bun is just bread, I was about to say and decided to look up the facts. I may have to stand corrected if you think that 140 calories is cool for one breadstick. At least the fat isn't so high.
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 bread stick
Amount Per Serving
Calories
140
Calories from Fat
14
% Daily Value*
Total Fat
1.5g
2%
Sodium
270mg
11%
Total Carbohydrates
26.0g
9%
Protein
5.0g
How do they get 5g of protein into bread?
http://www.shapefit.com/olive-garden-calories.html
Posted by: anon at July 6, 2007 7:02 PM
To all of you who are rambling, its simple. We're mad because franchises are taking over, quickly changing the face of Brooklyn. Starbucks, pizza places, etc...
But then people complain about a lack of industrializaton and development. So now we have so much that we are overcrowded, angry, and having things built without our consent. We have to make up our minds about the kind of neighborhood we want to live in. Furthermore, we have to voice it. Contact the community board. I think 6 is the slope one. The biggest concern I have now is, will they provide a parking lot, or do they intend to have neighbors scrounging for a place to put their cars?
Posted by: eve at August 1, 2007 10:54 AM
As I recall, years ago there was a beverage store on this site. They had a very good business, especially on the weekend, with very little room for parking. What a great site this would be for a retail store. I doubt that this kind of building, very up-scale, would have a restaurant downstairs.
Posted by: Dr. B at August 1, 2007 5:14 PM
As I recall, years ago there was a beverage store on this site. They had a very good business, especially on the weekend, with very little room for parking. What a great site this would be for a retail store. I doubt that this kind of building, very up-scale, would have a restaurant downstairs.
Posted by: Dr. B at August 1, 2007 5:14 PM
As I recall, years ago there was a beverage store on this site. They had a very good business, especially on the weekend, with very little room for parking. What a great site this would be for a retail store. I doubt that this kind of building, very up-scale, would have a restaurant downstairs.
Posted by: Dr. B at August 1, 2007 5:14 PM
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