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July 10, 2007
Residential Sales in Brooklyn
PARK SLOPE $1,800,000
447 14th Street GMAP
106-year-old, 3 -story brick 2-family house being used as a 1-family; 7 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms; living-room fireplace, parquet floors, c/a, original detail, 18-by-100-foot lot; taxes $4,213; listed at $1,850,000. Broker: Warren Lewis. Photo by Kate Leonova for Property Shark.
WILLIAMSBURG $725,000
226 Richardson Street GMAP
1,610-square-foot condo in a new building; dining area, eat-in kitchen, c/a, hardwood floors, terrace, 2 exposures; common charge $490; taxes $1,191; listed at $775,000. Broker: Developers Group.
Residential Sales [NY Times]
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I dont see the Park Slope property available on NYTIMES.com... do you have a link?
Posted by: Steve Mann at July 10, 2007 11:37 AM
should work now
Posted by: Brownstoner at July 10, 2007 11:55 AM
Park Slope sale was in this Sunday's Times (7/8). Kind of an astounding price for that size on that street. Or, is it the Park block effect?
Posted by: crouchback at July 10, 2007 11:58 AM
How do they fit seven bedrooms into the Park Slope house?
Posted by: Jim at July 10, 2007 12:06 PM
It's a nice looking block and near the park. I wonder what the inside looks like. Is there still a listing up? Maybe with pics of the inside?
Posted by: anon at July 10, 2007 12:09 PM
Boy, that is a lot of dough for a small house on 14th Street. I don't see how it could have 7 bedrooms unless they put beds in the parlor and kitchen. It is only a two story house on an 18 foot lot!
This is Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Mad Hatter Realty Inc.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 12:12 PM
Also, no way the Park Slope house was built in 1901.
1880 more likely. Nothing about this write up is credible.
Smoke and mirrors, Alice in Wonderland.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 12:15 PM
Almost all of PS was built around 1901. I've heard DOB burned twice since then so no specific records on many houses. 1880 would be a stretch.
Not that small. Its a THREE story. Top 2 floors are bedrooms. 4 bedrooms could easily fit on 1 floor if the building is long enough. Maybe 2 are small - fine for babis/kids. 3 more bedrooms on the other floor. Bottom floor is kitchen/living room.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 12:34 PM
I own a house around the same size as this house, if it has 7 bedrooms than there is no family room and the bedrooms are tiny.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 12:42 PM
to fit that many bedrooms, some of them need to be stacked sideways. in an 18-footer, that results in some pretty tiny rooms. the new owner will (or should) knock down walls to create fewer but bigger rooms.
Posted by: z at July 10, 2007 12:43 PM
"Almost all Park Slope was built around 1901"
-WRONG!
you need to take an architural history class.
Also, the house is two stories plus basement. If you want to count the cellar, you can call it four stories.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 12:44 PM
boring. yet another day of debate over how big the house is and whether it's worth the money someone paid for it. the deal is done, the house has 3 floors, half the bedrooms in brownstone brooklyn don't qualify for a legal bedroom by todays code. so what? and... plenty of park slope was in fact built around 1901. the building boom went from around 1885 - 1910 or so.
Posted by: anon at July 10, 2007 12:50 PM
the DOB doesn't usually have dates of construction from prior to 1900.
Virtually every 19th century building in the city has a date of construction that is 1900 or 1901.
In any event, the entire neighborhood was fully developed by 1890. By 1900, the many single family homes in the city were being razed to build apartment buildings. There were almost no single-family homes being constructed in Park Slope in the entire 20th century.
Posted by: Eryximachus at July 10, 2007 1:13 PM
12:50
Sorry we're boring you asshole.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 1:21 PM
Eryximachus is correct. Park slope was basically built by 1890. These houses are circa 1885. After the World's Columbian Exposition of 1894, houses were lighter in palette. Brownstone was never used again. Limestone was used instead. The 1901 date posted in the DOB is not to be taken literally.
The house in PS is two-story-plus- basement, the basement story in these houses usually have a failry low floor-to-ceiling height, hence the distinction. they originally contained the kitchen and dining room although occassionally they also included a bedroom and bath instead of dining room. Since it is only 18 feet wide, the usual number of bedriooms in such a house would be three, four at most if one bedroom was located in the basement.
Seven bedrooms would indicate that the rooms are mere kennels rather than bedrooms for humans. In terms of whether the price is right even though it already sold, realtors on this site should understand that people often overpay for things.
Posted by: historian at July 10, 2007 1:40 PM
"realtors on this site should understand that people often overpay for things"
i think that's exactly what realtors count on!
Posted by: z at July 10, 2007 2:12 PM
The house, while small on a square footage basis, has been impeccably maintained, has very little lean or wear and tear, requires no landscaping or refitting of the facade or roof.
While the layout isn't that suitable for today's needs, it reflects the needs from the prior tenant who lived in the building for nearly 50 years.
Considering it's park block location, and PS 107 zoning, at $735psf, it might be a bit high, but seems in line with comps along the street and in the neighborhood in general. One could question its proximity to the shelter on 8th Ave. and the movie theater on the rotunda, but it reflects a premium on a craftsman product (the brownstone itself) keep in pristine (or near pristine) condition in a very desirable locale.
Considering the absolute dearth of of property available in the market, I'd add that it could probably sell for 1.9 or more today.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 2:40 PM
brownstones are nice, but not that nice.
They are actually a pain in the ass to live in and to maintain. I don't get the stratospheric prices. I just don't get it.
It almost seems like a craze.
I don't buy the "craftmanship" arguement as many young buyers trach the interiors and turn them into open plan layouts. Don't know.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 3:01 PM
Corcoran has a house of similar size but with finished cellar in Carroll Gardens listed at $2.4 and went into contract quickly so doubt much less than asking.
And I would think 2nd St Smith/Hoyt comparable enought to this place.
So I don't find surprising the price of 14th Street.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 3:01 PM
Park Slope backlash is over. Backlash against the backlash has begun! Sky's the limit now, baby!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 3:03 PM
you know what all the park slope trash talk is doing????
it's making houses like the one above sell for more than you'd expect.
keep it up!!! park slope has become probably the most talked about neighborhood in all of new york over the past year. every european i know moving to new york wants to live in park slope.
Posted by: anonymous at July 10, 2007 3:08 PM
"In any event, the entire neighborhood was fully developed by 1890"
Maybe so, but some of the houses I've worked on have plans that were drawn and filed for construction in the late 1890's, and that's not a date slapped on by the dob, it's the actual filing of the plans, fwiw.
Posted by: anon at July 10, 2007 3:30 PM
The architect who built 447 actually built all 4 of those together in a row (in the photo) at the same time and lived in one of them. I believe, but am not 100% positive, that it was built in 1905.
Until sometime later, the other side of 14th St. was not built, and was filled in much later (30 years). It was a creek originally. Or so it is said.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 3:37 PM
Our place on 16th Street was built in 1893. It's not three stories but two with a cellar and a basement. $1.8 ? Ouch! Warren Lewis has been getting their asking prices in the S Slope.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 3:39 PM
"Sorry we're boring you asshole."
Actually, it's just you. Have a nice day.
Posted by: anon at July 10, 2007 3:50 PM
I have been looking for maps of the area showing the topographical features of this area of the Slope before it was developed. Anyone have any interesting links to sites or otherwise where I can find out information like that provided by 3:30 and 3:37? Share pictures? Thanks in advance.
Posted by: imby@nyc.rr.com at July 10, 2007 4:11 PM
Hey Historian 1:40pm.
(Are you really a historian?) Can you recommend any books or websites with historical information about Park Slope? Where did you get your info? Thanks!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 5:30 PM
Yes I am a historian. Park Slope history is easy, start at the landmarks commission and buy the Park Slope Historic District Designation Report. That has a ton of info and an excellent bibliography. Read Elliot Willensky's "When Brooklyn was the World" and Francis Morrone's "Brooklyn Architecture". For more advanced research visit the Brooklyn Historical Society on Pierrepont Street and the Brooklyn Room of the main public library on Grand Army Plaza.
Don't believe the crap you read on these blogs. Half the writers are stoned relators trying to make it through the long day.
Posted by: historian at July 10, 2007 8:38 PM
Nota Bene, historian, the World's Columbian Exposition was 1893, not '94. It was supposed to be in 1892, of course.
I also understand that one of the houses on the same side of the block, but down towards PPW was built in 1892, so the 1885 guess for this one may be a tad early.
--an architect in Brooklyn
Posted by: Anonymous at July 10, 2007 10:47 PM
The Columbian Exposition, the "White City" was two years wasn't it? 1893 & 94. I think so, too lazy to check.
Posted by: historian at July 11, 2007 9:57 AM
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