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July 19, 2007
Just Sold in Brooklyn
BROOKLYN HEIGHTS $440,000
150 Joralemon Street GMAP
Prewar one-bedroom, 1 1/2--bath co-op, 800 square feet, with 11-foot ceilings and hardwood floors; building is pet-friendly and features rec room, storage, bike room and live-in super. Maintenance $1,301, 53 percent tax-deductible. Asking price $455,000, on market four weeks. Brokers: Robert Frye, Brooklyn Heights Real Estate and Donna Trip, Prudential Douglas Elliman.
BROOKLYN HEIGHTS $899,000
33 Willow Street GMAP
Three-bedroom, two-bath co-op, 600 square feet, withtiled bath, chef’s kitchen with stone counters and Sub-Zero, Miele and Thermador appliances, laundry room, E/W exposures and storage. Maintenance $984, 47 percent tax-deductible. Asking price $899,000, on market 14 weeks. Brokers: Betul Ekmecki, Halstead Property and The Corcoran Group.
PROSPECT-LEFFERTS GARDENS $675,000
19 Maple Street GMAP
Four-bedroom, two-bath, two-story brick townhouse, 2,400 square feet, with dining room, sunroom, finished basement, original details, shared driveway and two-car garage. Asking price $750,000, on market 10 weeks. Broker: Linda VanderWoude, Halstead Property. Photo by Nicholas Strini for Property Shark,
WILLIAMSBURG $730,000
117 South Third Street GMAP
Two-bedroom, two-bath condo, 1,126 square feet, with central AC, high ceilings, washer/dryer hookup, hardwood floors and balcony; new development features elevator, roof deck, laundry and storage facilities. Common charges $173, taxes $63 (tax-abated for 15 years). Asking price $765,000, on market four weeks. Broker: Levi Chow, The Developers Group.
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A three-bedroom, two-bath co-op in 600 square feet?
Posted by: hmmm at July 19, 2007 11:34 AM
brooklyn heights - 3 bed, 2 bath, laundry room... 600sq ft?
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 11:35 AM
All below ask except for the 899k Heights closet with 3 bedrooms. And given the sheninigans with asking price and time on market, I'd guess that there were significant price cuts at all four.
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 11:37 AM
Obviously the 899K is misprint or typo as to sq footage.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 11:42 AM
33 Willow is here:
http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=976765
Probably 1600sf.
Apartment looks great--I think whoever bought it got a pretty good bargain.
Posted by: BK123 at July 19, 2007 11:47 AM
PLG House started at 850-899 can't remember the exact initial price.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 11:51 AM
Brooklyn Heights real estate is a bargain today. The neighborhood is nice but is very stodgy and it is facing a crisis in terms of parking. There is no place for families to keep a car at a reasonable price. Other neighborhoods have more amenities and are just more user-friendly than the Heights.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 11:51 AM
The PLG house is too close to Flatbush to have gotten big bucks. What is that, like two houses in? You can see the big, run-down apartment building at the corner of Flatbush in the photo.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 11:56 AM
what can be more user-friendly than sitting in the cross-hairs of all the subways and with just one stop into manhattan?
AND top private schools and increasingly good public school.
maybe you have to embrace your inner zip car if you're a resident.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 12:00 PM
it's irrelevant whether the prices were dropped, 11:37. the better question to ask is if you think that the selling prices were fair.
i don't think any of these were particular bargains, so why are you making it sound like doom and gloom for the brooklyn real estate market?
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 12:02 PM
I think 11:56 may be right.Also the house, while nice enough, doesn't have the turn-of-the century detail that many look for in Lefferts Manor, which might reduce the price. That being said, for $675K, someone did very well for themself--Maple I is a nice quiet block with some spectacular mansions closer to Bedford.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at July 19, 2007 12:05 PM
A "parking crisis"?
Brooklyn Heights doesn't need more parking. This is NYC, not Atlanta--who needs a car?
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 12:06 PM
I went to the first open house at 33 Willow so I know the original asking was 899, as listed.
The open house was packed and I think they had an accepted offer pretty quickly. Surprised it says 14 weeks on the market.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 12:07 PM
It still amazes me that 675K is a relative good deal to live in a neighborhood that is still pretty rough. You'd pay 150K for a similar house in a similar neighborhood in Philadelphia.
I'm just saying.
Posted by: anonymous at July 19, 2007 12:10 PM
12:06--please don't go there. let's stay on topic for a change and not have the same self-righteous rants over and over.
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 12:11 PM
12:10,
PLG booster that I am, I'm still amazed by the prices here and in ALL of brownstone Brooklyn. I certainly paid a lot less 30+ years ago (the only smart financial move in my life).
Still, you can't compare Brooklyn to Philadelphia, since we ARE the center of the universe :-) [First prize, one week in Philadelphia, second prize, two weeks in Philadelphia, etc]
Posted by: Bob Marvin at July 19, 2007 12:18 PM
cars in brooklyn heights is on topic. two of the sold apts. were in brooklyn heights. it is not up to you to decide what is and what is not talked about. that, my friend is the EPITOME of self-righteous.
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 12:20 PM
"Apartment looks great--I think whoever bought it got a pretty good bargain."
thats not 1600 sq ft, 1000 if that?
Still a very good price! a 3b!?
how on earth did I miss it :(
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 12:20 PM
12:20, not to rub it in, but the maintenance charges were really reasonable too.
I wish I could've seen it in person.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 12:37 PM
if it makes you feel better, I seem to remember it was a walk-up.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 12:52 PM
Isn't $1301 a little absurd for maintenance on a one-bedroom, even in BH?
And, for the record, Brooklyn Heights is probably the most transit-accessible place in the whole city, so I doubt that many people move in so they can drive to Manhattan, a five-minute subway ride away. It's got a parking situation similar to other neighborhoods of that density in Manhattan.
Posted by: Q.R. at July 19, 2007 1:11 PM
Parking??? That's what you're looking for in a neighborhood? Allow me to introduce you to all of the poor neighborhoods of NYC -- parking galore because very few people can afford a car.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 1:14 PM
the price reflects the high maintenance. 440K on it's own would have been a STEAL for an 800sf 1 bedroom in the heights. if the maint were in the $600 neighborhood, this place would have sold closer to 600K, is my guess....
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 1:16 PM
re: 33 Willow - I too saw it, and followed it for a while. It was just over 1100 sf, in a walk-up yes but on the second floor. Nice but slightly odd renovation, including loads of big build-ins. Not surprised it went for asking, but contrary to an earlier post I think it took a couple of months to get an offer.
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 1:43 PM
Here is a link to some interior shots of the PLG House:
http://historicbrooklyn.com/recomparison3.aspx
While it definitely does not have the details that some of the other houses in PLG have and the ceilings do indeed look low, it is not bad for $675K especially since it is on a historic block. The owner is going to have to put some money into fixing it up, but it is definitely in livable condition as is at the moment. I wonder how large are small the bedrooms are in these type of townhouses.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 1:51 PM
Here is a link to some interior shots of the PLG House:
http://historicbrooklyn.com/recomparison3.aspx
While it definitely does not have the details that some of the other houses in PLG have and the ceilings do indeed look low, it is not bad for $675K especially since it is on a historic block. The owner is going to have to put some money into fixing it up, but it is definitely in livable condition as is at the moment. I wonder how large are small the bedrooms are in these type of townhouses.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 1:51 PM
Here is a link to some interior shots of the PLG House:
http://historicbrooklyn.com/recomparison3.aspx
While it definitely does not have the details that some of the other houses in PLG have and the ceilings do indeed look low, it is not bad for $675K especially since it is on a historic block. The owner is going to have to put some money into fixing it up, but it is definitely in livable condition as is at the moment. I wonder how large are small the bedrooms are in these type of townhouses.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 1:52 PM
12:06 & 1:11--i doubt many people in manhattan or BH use their cars to drive to work in the city. guess what? a lot of people in both areas are well off enough to have second homes and use their cars to get there. i'm not saying that's good or desirable but to say people near NYC mass transit have no reason for cars assumes people never leave the city or at least not often enough to make renting a car everytime uneconomical.
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 1:57 PM
When you bring up the issue of cars and parking it is like injecting crack into some folks.
Calm down.
Cars are a fact of life. People need them and use them outside of Manhattan.
Brooklyn Heights has a problem with parking.
The subways are great for going to and from Manhattan but sometimes folks need to go further afield.I think that the hassle of tickets and towing etc certainly affect the quality of life in certain neighborhoods and as a result, the price of real estate.
Having no car is fine, it is like being a vegan, God bless you, but don't blame others for not marching to the same drummer.
PS: Most homeowners in Brooklyn Heights have a car, especially if they have a young family.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 2:10 PM
I saw the Bkln Hghts apartment a couple of months ago - awful. If you like cruise ship cabins, then this apartment was for you.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 2:10 PM
Interesting website 1:51/1:52
Sort of a "Brownstoner' with more RE fluff and no comments.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at July 19, 2007 2:11 PM
I live in Brooklyn Heights and have a car and it's no real issue. You have to sit in your car when you move for street cleaning, but street cleaning in BH is only once a week. Not twice a week like a lot of other Brooklyn neighborhoods.
I know things will change when Love Lane closes but it's not 400 new cars. Most of those cars have already found new spots. The people at the garage I spoke with yesterday says he thinks they have 150 "orphaned cars" meaning cars that are still there and don't have a garage to go to at the end of the month.
Also, BH and Ft Greene and now looking to get the parking permits. That would make a big difference.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 2:26 PM
of course parking is a legitimate issue with any area of Brooklyn. BH does have very bad parking and that is a huge issue if you can't afford to garage it.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 2:27 PM
The cost of owning and garaging a car is the main reason I am throwing in the towel and leaving Brooklyn.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 2:32 PM
2:26--any chance you know of a way to weigh in about the permit issue? i've always wondered why no nyc neighborhood does this. i'm in ft greene and i think a lot of people drive to this area and then get on the train because there are many many more cars parked during working hours but there aren't nearly enough businesses to think people are "commuting" to ft greene. (probably same situation in BH)
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 2:40 PM
2:27 - the problem with BH parking is no longer just an affordability issue (i.e. lack of adequate free street parking forces people to choose pricey garage or no car). Even for people willing to shell out big bucks for a garage, there is a lack of private garage space. All of the garages in the neighborhood have long waiting lists now that Love Lane is closing (they filled up with the 250 cars who've already left, and the waiting lists include the 150 orphans). Now, I disagree with the bashers here who think this is going to have a material effect on BH real estate prices, but it is a QOL concern.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 2:45 PM
2:40,
RE: the permit issue, be careful what you wish for.
You just might want to drive to another neighborhood some day :-)
Posted by: Bob Marvin at July 19, 2007 2:54 PM
What homeowner in PLG every got a "softball sized gunshot wound"?
I guess since you are so perceptive, this new owner will be the first ever homeowner in Lefferts Manor to get shot.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 3:03 PM
What homeowner in PLG ever got a "softball sized gunshot wound"?
I guess since you are so perceptive, this new owner will be the first ever homeowner in Lefferts Manor to get shot.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 3:04 PM
Bob: you raise a good point but since other cities (like Boston) use permits I would guess it's been considered and addressed before (of course, not necessarily satisfactorily). I don't even have a personal stake in the issue as I decided to get rid of my car on Monday and use zipcars exclusively. And, in any event, I never--not even once--drove my car into any NYC borough other than on my way to the highway to leave town.
Posted by: anon 2:40 at July 19, 2007 3:08 PM
I don't think the permits prevent you from parking in another neighborhood.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 3:12 PM
I live in the Heights and would be happy to have permits all over the borrough. Like anon, I almost only use my car to go out of town or to places like Costco or Home Depot. If I drive over to Park Slope -- and I do this so so rarely, I always take the subway -- I park at a meters 95% of the time anyway.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 3:23 PM
My wife and I are priced out of upgrading to an actual house in Cobble Hill, and after spending months looking around the $1.0-$1.7MM price range for a home, decided the best bang for the buck was right there by the park, Zoo, Botanical Gardens, Parade Grounds etc. (we have kids) in PLG.
We have two other families that are friends of ours that we visited there, and the more we came to know the neighborhood and community, the more we came to love it and knew it would be great for us.
Doesn't have as much as other neighborhoods in terms of amazing restaurant rows, but that's okay by us.
As someone else brilliantly put it, if you love it for what it is, and not for what you think it has to become in 5-10 years, you'll be fine.
So we called the search off in all other neighborhoods, and spent from Mid-May onward looking at places just in PLG.
Happy to say that we finally just signed the contract this afternoon on a place there.
Surely this neighborhood is not for everyone, just a matter of one's own personal taste (same may be said of *any* neighborhood, just look at these boards...).
But we liked the warm, friendly community and the good mix of people, the proximity to the park and express trains to Madhattin', and just the overall lower-stress nature of things (compared to other neighborhoods we'd searched).
Yes, that's just our opinion (and our new home), so go ahead and say what you will.
I would hope that anyone would be able to say this about their own neighborhood, if they truly enjoy it for what it is (and not for what someone else thinks it should be).
Okay, that's my lame two cents.
Fire away.
/me ducks for cover
Posted by: webster at July 19, 2007 3:39 PM
2:59 you are an ass.....
Posted by: unreal at July 19, 2007 3:40 PM
webster,
what type of house did you get and what was the price range?
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 3:48 PM
i guess i don't understand why for the same money, one wouldn't choose prospect heights over plg. closer to manhattan, nice restaurants on vandy, park also right there, etc.
the crappiest parts of ph are still nicer than the best areas of plg.
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 3:51 PM
i guess i don't understand why for the same money, one wouldn't choose prospect heights over plg. closer to manhattan, nice restaurants on vandy, park also right there, etc.
the crappiest parts of ph are still nicer than the best areas of plg.
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 3:53 PM
Amazing the comments and responses from the undercover racists who spew their venom on this site. Brooklyn is very large. YOu dont want to live in a certain neighborhood, you have plenty of choices, BayRidge, Bensonhurst,MillBasin, BoroughPark.This is 2007, you just might get a softball sized gunshot wound to the chest anywhere you choose to live.Read the papers, watch the news.Nowhere is safe. Nowhere.Not the suburbs with their manicured lawns and kids planning to commit Columbine type shootings at their school,not the suburbs where husbands wives/girlfriends are suddenly missing and killed by the hands of their loved ones,no neighborhood is safe...not even borough park where a 4 year old is snatched off the street and sexually molested.So 2:59...better look over your shoulder wherever you choose to live.The days of leaving your front door and blinds open have long passed.And also keep an eye on your friends and family...as things seem to be lately....they most likely will be the ones responsible for your demise..moreso than a softball sized gunshot wound.....that being said i must leave this site as it has become a haven for a certain element to voice their hate filled opinions.
Posted by: smellthecoffee at July 19, 2007 3:59 PM
there are about 52 comments on this thread....2 or 3 of which are ridiculous ones about gunshots.
don't let them ruin it for you.
the rest is good conversation. you have to realize anything posted online is gonna get a little more heated than anything in person. nature of human beings...
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 4:05 PM
"I don't think the permits prevent you from parking in another neighborhood."
UNLESS you want to park in another neighborhood requiring permits. I personally drive to Park Slope, Ft. Greene, Clinton Hill, Bedford Stuyvesent, and Red Hook a LOT--only the first of these has good mass transit connections (and is also in easy walking distance) to PLG.
On another topic, welcome to the neighborhood Webster. I'm sure you'll like it here.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at July 19, 2007 4:41 PM
Webster and family, congratulations on the purchase of your new home!
Wishing you and yours the very best!
Posted by: bren at July 19, 2007 5:04 PM
Bob, try using metered parking.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 5:36 PM
5:44 wasn't me, but sometimes I stay longer than one hour so meters aren't a good option--not that I begrudge the Mayor his quarters.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at July 19, 2007 5:48 PM
I lived in DC and they have permits. They do not prevent you from parking in other neighborhoods. You can park anywhere that isn't metered for 2 hours without a permit. You just need a permit to stay longer. In addition, at the borders of 2 zones they accept either permit.
Posted by: an at July 19, 2007 6:00 PM
Metered parking was just a suggestion, asshole. Screw you too.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 6:05 PM
Bob, that's how permits work all over the US. permits allow residents to park overnight. Except for Bostonm which has crazier rules. Still, people are able to park where they live
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 6:29 PM
welcome Webster... We were also PLG or bust when we were looking for a home. True, there are a few too many hair and nail salons for my liking, but it's a great place to live.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 7:01 PM
I've lived in PLG for two years now and I hate it. It's convenient for us in a number of ways, especially my wife, but we're going to move before long.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 7:21 PM
3.53 - rarely, if ever, would you be able to find something of the same size and quality in P Heights as you would in PLG. PHeights is much more expensive nowadays than PLG.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 8:41 PM
meant to say that you couldn't find a PH place of the same quality and size for the same price as you'd pay for an equivalent place in PLG...
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 8:42 PM
PH is much safer than PLG though
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 8:54 PM
i know no one wants to hear this, but i feel safer in more parts of bed stuy than i do in most parts of plg.
everyone's got different and varying thresholds for comfort, however.
Posted by: anon at July 19, 2007 9:50 PM
That sounds right to me. I think BedStuy is safer than PLG. Parts of it much safer.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 10:11 PM
"i guess i don't understand why for the same money, one wouldn't choose prospect heights over plg. closer to manhattan, nice restaurants on vandy, park also right there, etc."
A couple of reasons to choose PLG over PH
1. existance of a HD, plus single family covenant and zoning (in Lefferts Manor), thus less chance of a POS Fedders bldg being built next to your house
2. PLG doesn't border AY
Posted by: Anonymous at July 19, 2007 11:18 PM
PLG house had a back-up cash offer for $700K, but the owners didn't take it.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 20, 2007 12:29 AM
I've lived in PLG for two years and I love it. It's convenient for us in a number of ways, especially my wife, and we plan to stay for a long time.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 20, 2007 12:33 AM
I don't like PLG because I'm racist and black people scare me. At least in Prospect Heights I'm not so far from Park Slope, where it almost feels like the suburbs.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 20, 2007 12:34 AM
Hello again, all. Busy day.
Bob and Bren, thanks for the welcome!
As for the usual neighborhood-better/safer-than-other-neighborhood usual comments, I personally happen to believe otherwise (from reading the news, talking to people, participating on brooklynian boards for the last few years, checking gothamist newsmap for kicks, etc.
But to each his own, and I honestly think that crime today is not what it was 5, 10, n years ago and that all these neighborhoods are safer than they used to be, and that residents of each notice improvements in their own neighborhood but may still have old data stuck in their head about all the other neighborhoods, and just want to assert a little local pride (often at the expense of others).
New York is New York, and Brooklyn in specific is Brooklyn, and many of us love it for everything it is, warts and all.
None of us would trade living here for Omaha (or wherever) for that very reason, it's all part of the character of living here.
I guess there will always be those who see it as a zero-sum, mine's improved and yours is worse equation, but if people really had pride in where they lived, they'd love all of it for what it is and not pit themselves against their neighbor insisting that this formerly rough area (for weren't they ALL...) is much better than that area.
Anyhow, overall we had a lot of choices for where to live, and our decision was based entirely on what mattered to us, simple as that.
And we continue to really appreciate all of Brooklyn (yeah, we do branch out, friends in lots of neighborhoods) for what it is, and care little for minor turf squabbles. Kinda pointless, really.
Anyhow...looking forward to getting to know more people in the neighborhood, and just pleased overall that such an attractive, family / neighbor / community-friendly pocket along the park and major transit lines etc. still existed at an extremely reasonable (relatively speaking, granted...) price.
So PLG, keep doing what you are doing, as far as this family is concerned.
Posted by: webster at July 20, 2007 12:42 AM
PLG, start doing something radically different for this family, otherwise we're outta here!
In fact, nevermind. We're already looking for a new home in Bay Ridge.
Posted by: We're so outta PLG at July 20, 2007 8:46 AM
I'll say one thing for PLG: It sure has a buttload of Section 8 housing.
All those people walking around talking to themselves? Nope, they ain't on cell phones!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 20, 2007 9:23 AM
LOL...
I think some of those people are regular posters on this board....
Posted by: Dipsy Doodle at July 20, 2007 9:25 AM
9:23 The section 8 housing is awaiting those who can't afford to live in the city anymore cause mom and dad are not helping ,those whose 5 roommates cant afford the new rent and lastly those moving to NY. Now that a certain element is moving in,I am sure property values will decrease. AFter all, former trailerpark residents tend to do that.
And the people talking to themselves are probably praying that you keep it moving to Bayridge or Bensonhurst.
Posted by: anon at July 20, 2007 2:50 PM
Anyone who would seriously consider BAY RIDGE (of all places!) after living in PLG deserves Bay Ridge. Enjoy your commutes!
Posted by: Ed at July 21, 2007 3:24 PM
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