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July 5, 2007
Business Is Booming at 936 Fulton
Evidently the aluminum windows that we complained about at 936 Fulton Street are not bothering buyers. When we walked past on Sunday during the conversion project's first showing, we noticed a couple clusters of youngish-looking people standing around outside. They were doing more than standing around: The building's website Fulton on Clinton shows that six out of the 11 units are already in contract! We're hoping somebody who's been on the inside can explain what the frenzy is about. Also, according to a reader who contacted the broker, they've gotten inquiries from both a bank and a "large coffee house in Fort Greene" about the commercial space. We shall see. This news is certainly welcome for Fulton Street (and the person trying to sell the building next door).
Surprise! 936 Fulton Will Be Condos [Brownstoner] GMAP P*Shark DOB
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Now thats what I'm talkin about!
go condos!
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Posted by: Mos Def at July 5, 2007 10:13 AM
Hmmm, sorry to be skeptical, but...
The units look ok and all, but It's hard to believe that there are already six units in contract within the first week of showings - this ain't 2005.
Apartment 2B looks to be around 800 square, and at $555k, that would be almost $700 per s.f.
Overpriced for the nabe, IMO.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 10:30 AM
ok whihc one of your people bouth that
pos brwonstone on lexington where the dead body was recovered the other day?
how is that rehab going?
btw mos def would be mortified
Posted by: dirk diggler at July 5, 2007 10:31 AM
ok which one of your people bouth that
pos brwonstone on lexington where the dead body was recovered the other day?
how is that rehab going?
btw mos def would be mortified
Posted by: dirk diggler at July 5, 2007 10:31 AM
I saw the inside and I agree that the units are overpriced but only slightly. At least the price is at a point where some people can actually afford them, including those that already live in the neighbourhood. The construction work is certainly thorough, no half-assed reno here or awkward floorplans, although we'll see when the details are finished. Right now most units are still in the drywall stage. I'd definetly pick one up if I had the money. Right now the block is a little slow but once the street converts back to a two-way street and more restaurants and other amenities open up current buyers will be pleased with their investment.
Posted by: TeTe at July 5, 2007 10:48 AM
This is great news -- the floral shop across the street from the "Fult-on Clinton condos" (on the corner of Cambridge Pl) is now available for rent too. Does anyone know what "large coffee shop in Fort Greene" Mr. B was alluding to? Does anyone know what Mr. Diggler was trying to type in the above post?
Today at the Adelphi Post Office the woman behind the glass was sending a text message while she was weighing my package.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 10:51 AM
Hey TeTe,
10:30 here.
You toured the units - so do you think there are really six units already in contract?
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 10:59 AM
I bought all six units
one for me
on each for my kids
btw great site!
Posted by: Mos Def at July 5, 2007 11:01 AM
What am I missing here? I only see three of the appartments in contract...
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 11:09 AM
yeah, i know this is shocking, but i would say 99% of people couldn't give a crap about aluminum windows.
people care about: price, location, layout, sq. footage, kitchens, baths, flooring, W/D, A/C, etc. aluminum windows? not so much.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 11:14 AM
11; 14 I do agree with you.
And I would wait to see what the final product is; from the rendering it seems very appealable.
In regards to the sell i was at the open house and it did look like 2005. Almost a 100 people were there.
I checked the 2 br and it's almost 900 sf, and great layout.
We submitted an offer for 525K, and still waiting to see if the sponsor is negotiable a little bit.
We personally like the project and we think it is a great place
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 11:30 AM
This is AWESOME! I cant wait for Fulton to have some good commercial establishments! So exciting!
BTW, That place Soule is ALWAYS empty! ALWAYS! We actually ate there when it first opened and the service was horrendous!!!
Posted by: ClintonHillCondoOwner at July 5, 2007 11:42 AM
The realtor changed their website from six units "in contract" to three units "in contract" sometime this AM...
would be good to see this stretch of fulton get cleaned up. I miss bodegas and hope other nice places open soon.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 12:01 PM
what u mean "cleaned up"
you dont like us folk??
but you like my raps!
Posted by: Mos Def at July 5, 2007 12:28 PM
I was there on Sunday and one broker told us 3 were in contact another broker told us 2 and they were all over the place. I personally don't believe them and I was not impressed by the apts. It was a 4th floor walk up.
Posted by: anao at July 5, 2007 2:14 PM
I was there on Sunday and one broker told us 3 were in contact another broker told us 2 and they were all over the place. I personally don't believe them and I was not impressed by the apts. It was a 4th floor walk up.
Posted by: anao at July 5, 2007 2:14 PM
Hey 10:30
I can't say for sure are really in contract but I will say that when I went there on Sunday for the open house the place was crawling with prospects, probably a good 6 groups of people (couples, friends, etc.) and in the unit were the sales center was set someone was giving an offer letter back as I was in there. Looks to me that demand is definetly there but contracts fall in and out all the time. Also, it could be a matter of the seller saying "in contract" when they really should be saying "offer accepted". I see that tactic used all the time to drive even more demand.
Posted by: TeTe at July 5, 2007 2:39 PM
I put an offer last Sunday for a one bedroom. It's still in the dry wall stage and I believe 6 apartments (including 1 of the 2 bedrooms) have offers accepted according to my real estate agent. The apartments in front have better layouts than the ones in back but get a little less light. Also, they are installing bamboo floors which tend to dent easily.
Posted by: A at July 5, 2007 3:12 PM
Hey Mr. B, did you check out the FultonOnClinton website for this condo project? Did you click on the photo gallery? If not, then you should. There you will find a gallery of photos depicting life in Clinton Hill and of 30+ people who were photographed not a single person is black! Wow! Talk about misleading marketing! Clinton Hill is about 60% black and that stretch of Fulton would make you think that that number is closer to 95%. Now I'm all for gentrification but lets be realistic and honest about the current state of affairs in the hood. This is Clinton Hill - not Middlebury, Vermont!
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 5:16 PM
Ya, I saw it too, all white people on the website, pretty funny...seems reality won't shake the gift money out of mommy and daddy. Forget about the fears of the pigment challenged, buy and live in the best neighborhood in the city. Also the MET has beer.
Posted by: PUT NAM at July 5, 2007 5:52 PM
Response to 5:16. I absolutely agree with your sentiment. I also noticed that but honestly I feel like every broker does the same thing. And it's no wonder, reading sites like this one the garbage that comes out of people's keyboards. Sometimes totally blatant racism, sometimes covert "um well the neighborhood is kind of well you know um gee how shall i say dark". The interesting thing about NYC is that every neighborhod holds surprises. I've lived in the area for 5 years (i'm black so we're clear) and the neighborhood has really improved not because its whiter but because people of all races are taking more pride in their homes and community. What sucks is that people sometimes don't take that pride until white people start coming. Its like we don't know what we have til gentrification steps in and we can't afford to buy there anymore. If you want to stop "gentrification" as in less black people, buy something when you get the chance, but "genetrification" as in keeping the area clean and supporting new businesses I love it!
Posted by: TeTe at July 5, 2007 6:00 PM
5:16pm here. So we are clear I'm black too and I own multiple brownstones in the area, as do many of my friends who also happen to be black. In addition, I'm very supportive of gentrification no matter the race of the new entrants. I'm all about taking the nabe to new heights.
My issue with the promotion is that it doesn't attempt to celebrate the greatest characteristic with respect to Clinton Hill - it's diversity. The marketing promotion deliberately attempts to hide the fact that Clinton Hill has black people. Now anyone who is at all familiar with Clinton Hill or Fort Greene can tell you that there are a slew of proud black urban professionals (buppies) who live in the nabe and any one of those photographs could've captured a number of black families casually strolling through the neighborhood or park, eating at their favorite cafe or restaurant, and simply enjoying their fabulous community with family and friends. I understand that this is about the marketing of condos to a specific target group so I'm not suggesting that the sponsor includes shots of the local hoodrats on the corner. However, does including shots of functional black families who live in the community really going to turn potential white buyers away? I would love to hear the response of those in advertising/marketing on this issue.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 6:38 PM
Those of you who are moving to Brooklyn like someone lit a fire under your ass and are upset about living in the hood, why not go live in the lighter parts of Bklyn instead,Bensonhurst, BayRidge,MIll Basin?
Posted by: anon at July 5, 2007 6:44 PM
Those of you who are moving to Brooklyn like someone lit a fire under your ass and are upset about living in the hood, why not go live in the lighter parts of Bklyn instead,Bensonhurst, BayRidge,MIll Basin?
Posted by: anon at July 5, 2007 6:44 PM
If it was one of two pics, then it's really not a big deal. But when you take 20 photos that tells me that you're trying to capture the true essence of the neighborhood for would-be buyers. If that is indeed the case then the marketing promotion misrepresents the community in ways that are truly egregious and unacceptable.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 6:44 PM
"Those of you who are moving to Brooklyn like someone lit a fire under your ass and are upset about living in the hood, why not go live in the lighter parts of Bklyn instead, Bensonhurst, Bay Ridge, Mill Basin?"
Who said that anyone is upset about living in the hood? I think the you're mischaracterizing the issue at hand. In any event, I would say that the shifting demographic trends clearly indicate that many people actually want to live in the beautiful brownstone neighborhoods east of Flatbush Avenue (FG, CH, BS, PH, CHN and PLG) that are predominantly black and all flourishing.
I don't know who you are (Mos Def Wannabe or whatever), but since discovering this board a few days ago, you clearly show that you have issues with race, your own as well as with whites. Get over it brah. Life is rough but you reap what you sow. Don't like the hand that you were dealt? Get a new hand. Whatever you do, stop bitch'n and moan'n about whites living in the hood. Your time would be better spent raising the level of your own game and getting your own piece of the pie. Sorry brah. Don't meant to call you out like that in public but your blatant trolling over the past few days is not only annoying but it's also very embarrassing.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 7:03 PM
WHY DON'T YOU EMAIL THE BROKER (ELLIMAN), AND ASK HIM?
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 7:06 PM
Ahhh... an acute sense of the obvious. Thanks for the keen insight dude but I already emailed Yuval Vidal this morning. Still waiting for a response. In any event, I'm sure Yuval reads Brownstoner, especially in light of the "In Contract" revisions from this morning just hours after Brownstoner's post.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 7:43 PM
We'll be very happy if you can kindly post his response
Posted by: Anonymous at July 5, 2007 7:58 PM
all of these latest posts get me wondering . . . but mostly i must say that black people in the neighborhood really need to chill out. actually, i'm sick to death of their predictable responses to everything. how come when black people are priced out of a neighborhood it's evil gentrification and when white people are price out of a neighborhood it's just capitalism. when i was priced out of the UWS neighborhood i grew up in i didn't expect someone to give me a cheap or below market apartment. if the nabe develops and you can't afford it anymor--tough shit, welcome to the real world.
Posted by: kick me at July 5, 2007 9:28 PM
"but mostly i must say that black people in the neighborhood really need to chill out" -- wait a second, didn't we just read two very insightful posts from black homeowners in the neighborhood that welcome gentrification and progress as long as it comes from people that respect their homes and their neighbors?
before we let this ignorant muckraker create more controversy than necessary let's remember that this neighborhood is very diverse and friendly and this message board is easily stirred up by a rogue naive post.
as a white homeowner around the corner from fulton on clinton i'm equally offended that the purveyors of these condos would misrepresent the complexion of the neighborhood. it's mostly frustrating because it's the diversity that makes clinton hill so attractive. hopefully the folks that are in contract on fulton feel the same way.
Posted by: Lothar of the Clinton Hill People at July 6, 2007 12:10 AM
As someone who lives in the area, I'm happy about this development and pleased that there seems to be a lot of interest.
I would be less concerned about the skewed pictures of the neighborhood as most of those looking in the area would have a good feel for the demographic of Clinton Hill and would take such pictures with a grain of salt, hopefully.
However, what I cannot stand is complete inaccuracies such as those on the Douglas Elliman site http://www.elliman.com/Listings.aspx?ListingID=879562&rentalperiod=&SearchType=apartments&Region=NYC
The buidling is in Clinton Hill, NOT Fort Greene.
It is on Fulton Street between St. James Place and Grand Avenue, NOT between Washington and Waverly.
It currently has a painted facade. I believe it is brownstone underneath, not limestone (though I could be wrong).
The build has four stories, with a height of about 45 to 50 feet maximum. There is no way that there are 20 foot ceilings. That is impossible unless you have two story high units.
The C train is one block, not two blocks, away. The actual train ride to the first stop in Manhattan (Bway Nassau) is 10 mins. If you work in the Wall Street area, door to door would be 20 mins (I did it for years).
The closest G train stop is 3 long (avenue type length) blocks plus two short blocks to the corner of Lafayette and Washington, not two blocks away.
Come on Yuval Vidal, at least visit the building so you can get the basics right about the location and building features.
Posted by: lp at July 6, 2007 11:06 AM
Any thoughts on what this portends, i.e., whether the character of the block, along with the value of the condos and makeup of the residents who occupy it, would be more affected by/indicative of AY, or Clinton Hill? (The latter would obviously be highly preferable)
Posted by: Anon at July 6, 2007 11:14 AM
LP,
You so picky.
People would come, see, judge, and decide if they like the development or not.
In overall the fact that there are more than 30 comments shows that he did his job.
He probably looks for PR and we giving it to him for free.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 6, 2007 11:17 AM
Hi 5:16. We'rein agreement. I do see what you mean and concur that the ads should show more of a diverse neighborhood that doesn't necessarily include the slangers on the corner. Furthermore I don't mean to say that the neighborhood is "bad" if white peole move in. Rather I enjoy the diversity but I hate the way people 1)react to white peole moving in as though their sole goal was to wash out everything else, and 2) some people act if they feel they've lowered themselves to be around black people. I like the diversity the neighborhood had the mutual respect people give one another.
As for "kick me" I think you're missing the point and jumping to conclusions. Gentrification happens in every neighborhood. My complaint isn't what you think. My point is that I actually agree with you about people complaining when they get priced out. I'm more wanting to encourage people to buy in their neighborhoods even when times are bad so they dont have to move away when the market goes up. That goes for EVERYONE. Frankly I don't care what color my neighbor is so long as they respect me and the community. If someone has been there for a long time and has history to share about the neighborhood even better.
Anon at 6:44pm
What a dumb ass comment. Are you actually asking people why they don't move into another neighborhood that's "lighter" (is this one of those um oh how do I put this, there are black people clowns?) and totally ignoring any attributes of this area because "darks" live there? I assume thats what you'd call it, "lighter" wow you're such a clown. Read LP's comment at 11:06 this morning. Convenience to transportation, proximity to the city, great neighborhoods surround us and it's a nice place in itself with a lot of fantastic diverse accomplished and interesting people. "Lighter" is irrelevant.
Posted by: TeTe at July 6, 2007 11:39 AM
11.17am - Like I said, I'm happy with the development. But if someone didn't know the area and showed up on Fulton Street between waverly and washington looking for the building they'd be two blocks away. Plus they'd be surprised, I'd suspect that they did not have 20' ceilings. the condo website doesn't contain these inaccuracies, the listing agent does. he should fix it. He certainly would never get my business.
Posted by: lp at July 6, 2007 11:53 AM
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