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June 6, 2007

Residential Sales in Brooklyn

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PARK SLOPE $1,850,000
519 Sixth Avenue
Updated 2-family house; primary duplex: 3 bedrooms, 2.5 baths; simplex: 2 bedrooms, 1.5 baths; 20-by-81-foot lot; taxes $2,600; listed t $1,999,999. Broker: Brooklyn Properties of 7th Avenue.
NB: As you can see from the post we did on this place back in April 2006, the original asking price was actually $2,250,000 not $1,999,999.
Residential Sales [NY Times] GMAP
HOTD: Mixing Modern and Traditional on Sixth Ave [Brownstoner]
Photo by Kate Leonova for Property Shark




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those recently-sold snips are so deceiving, exactly as the brokers wish them to be. Does the times get paid by the broker for putting them in? if not, they are very poor journalists there to allow themselves to be used this way.

"oh look darling, that cute suburb the eaton-joneses bought in, remember? we visited them last month and the driver had to stop and ask directions? is so popular now even monstrosities are being snapped up at asking price!"

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 11:29 AM

didn't they just update that place, like, a year ago? it looked pretty custom... apparently it wasn't?

Posted by: marah at June 6, 2007 11:35 AM

I can't believe someone paid 2 mil for this POS. The construction is shoddy and it probably has dozens of open DOB violations on it since it was built by the orient express. The front door is from Home Dept for god sakes.

Posted by: JGNY at June 6, 2007 12:15 PM

good lord! the place still hasn't been finished (still a dozen or more 'details' remain incomplete as new issues arise) and the garages are graffiti-covered, unless that changed in the last few weeks. good luck getting the developer to do anything else now. and no, the times DOES NOT PAY anyone, nor do the agents pay the times, but the agents theoretically ask if the buyers are comfortable publicizing the sale.

Posted by: ugh at June 6, 2007 12:33 PM

I stand corrected. BIS shows no open violations.

Still a piece of crap.

Posted by: JGNY at June 6, 2007 12:58 PM

What deceitful crap! This was on the market for over a year at way above 2,000,000. I think it was kind of a steal at the sale price.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 12:58 PM

I guess I'm a bit behind with the scoop but I have seen the building and wondered WTF? I'm assuming this is not landmarked since my request to put a staircase from my balcony to the garden was denied- and my house is in the middle of a block with an apartment behind it. Also does anyone know how the new house on 8th Avenue got approved? It's not so awful but the brick and other facade choices have nothing to do with anything historical.

Posted by: drunkenstooper at June 6, 2007 1:24 PM

Orient express? That's a new low. For shame.

Posted by: Rouser at June 6, 2007 1:44 PM

I walk past this building often, and I have been very, very happy to see it vacant for more than a year. I had no desire to see any money go to the developer of this cheap and lazy piece of work.

As for the graffiti, I realize it is impossible to control, but I never saw any attempt to remove it while the building was for sale. There is even exposed wiring for a light outside. I mean- come on folks! And just what is the deal with the exposed staircase?

A photo like the above makes it look pretty modern or custom, which I can assure you it is not. One has to see this in person to understand just how shoddy and out of place it really is.

My condolences to the buyer.

It's a shame, because that section of 6th Ave is very nice.

Posted by: 13th St resident at June 6, 2007 1:48 PM

I watched this house since it was bought. The reno went so quickly. They stapled and glued polysterene boards onto the exterior brick, which was odd since the brick was fine. Then they secured mesh and mortar onto the polysterene, then stucco and faux stone. They covered over some unsecure flashing and wood on the front section at the very corner, and created this odd roof line. The exterior does seem cheaply constructed, never been inside. The house does not fit the tastes of pslope buyers, if they did, the property would have been in contract in weeks. Covering the brick with polysterene stucco was unnecessary and stupid as was the stairwell. It *was* a sweet property under there, now it looks something better suited for Staten Island.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 1:59 PM

Uh, no, the agents don't ask. No one asked us to publicize our sale. Which reminds me, I gotta talk to my broker about that. It was really shocking to see it.

On the subject at hand, I'm not quite sure what everyone is so offended by. It's not gorgeous but it looks much like a lot of the fancy "modern" (midcentury) interpretations of townhouses. Most importantly, though, it looks like it gets tons of light. The interior could be nice.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 2:00 PM

Um, no it doesn't and I don't have time to go into depth about how this deviates from midcentury design philosophy and my definition of fancy. Just curious- what other "fancy, modern" townhouses do you think that this looks like? Are they in a neighborhood famous for their Christmas lights?

Posted by: anonymous at June 6, 2007 2:50 PM

I was inside back when it was listed for 2.2 - 2.3m - and the quality of the design and of the construction is right up there with the worst I've seen. Forget about whether ps buyers are looking for modern design - that's irrelevant, since there is plenty, and it sells. The construction is shoddy in many ways, all the way down to the details. The design flaws aren't about taste issues such as the staircase, but rather about such things as:
1. a narrow main entrance at grade sandwiched next to the front extension.
2. a bathroom in the middle of the living rm of the owner's apt.
3. no closets in any of the 3 brs on the third floor. none.
4. an agglomeration of off the rack 'luxury' materials thrown at the wall with no clear sense of an overriding aesthetic - whatever it is.

yuk. a disaster at any price....

Posted by: anon at June 6, 2007 3:01 PM

2:00 I am offended by developers from Boro Park coming into a neighborhood with their faux stone finishes, garish sense of taste, shoddy construction practices, and try to pass it off as luxury living to some eager albeit dimwitted family from the city. Meanwhile I have to look at this pile of junk for the next 50 years (due to the quality of construction it will probably collapse or be condemned in less time). What's worse is that someone did buy this so now these clowns have a reason to go out and build 10 more of these things. It won't stop until there is some sort of regulation on "taste", which as snobbish as it sounds is the only way I see this city saving itself from these ad-hoc developers, architects, and builders.

Posted by: JGNY at June 6, 2007 3:06 PM

I'm in agreement with 13th street and 1:59. I pass this one a lot as well. There's a lot of flipper sleight of hand going on. First, the front extension is weird and breaks what is otherwise a perfectly clean line of buildings set back identically. The front extension is also less than the full width of the house, which looks weird but you can't see that in the photo.

Second, the point of the exposed staircase and the glass enclosure that protrudes through the roof seems to be to suggest that this place is much larger than it really is. This is really a three story, relatively narrow house, with a one-story front extension, a short rear extension on the second floor only, and a finished cellar (completely below grade, not a basement) and terraces everywhere. Who needs five terraces? The second floor rear extension makes sense, though. But overall, the actual livable interior space is barely more than that of a narrow but normal-sized three story brownstone.

Third, I have watched the renovation continue in the face of three SWOs and subsequent complaints to DOB of continuing work during SWOs. One thing that happens is that, when someone complains to DOB, the complaint gets posted on the DOB website before the inspector goes out, so the flipper knows to lay low until the results are posted. Easy for flipper to play cat and mouse. In fact, the SWOs were simply torn off the window when the place went on sale, long before the violations were cleared. I went to one open house and asked about the violations and the agent said that the owner had said that all the violations were cleared. When I looked on BIS a few weeks later, they were still there and remained there for a while after.

Fourth -- what everyone else says. It just looks like a cheap job on the inside.

I hope the new buyers aren't reading because they deserve to enjoy their new home, but the way this one got done just irked me.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 3:08 PM

Not only that, but the entire floor plan is a DISASTER... when I saw it, about a year ago, the custom kitchen ate 3/4 of the main living space leaving NO logical place for a living room or entertainment center...

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 3:17 PM

Ha- well that shows me not to judge a book by its cover.
saw the photo above and thought to myself- "wow, that looks pretty cool- big floor to ceiling windows into the living room, nice stone watertable and details, OK there are some odd windows- but thats a cool building". Then I read it is stucco.....
off to look at the floor plan..

Posted by: Max at June 6, 2007 3:36 PM

Brooklyn properties are real winners, I suppose they have no sense of design or aesthetic sense to make any suggestions to the builders as to how they probably could have gotten the over 2 Mil asking price. I mean a basic logic of a fluid layout at least!!

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 4:11 PM

Hi. Guess what? We bought it. We are fixing it up, doing all the right things and making it sweet. We were from the hood before, we love the new street and all our neighbours are terrific. Just FYI.

Posted by: Robin at June 6, 2007 5:18 PM

congrats, robin.

i happen to like it.

don't mind all the closed-minded fools on here that think unless it's made of brownstone, it ain't worth 2 cents.

i'm a brownstone lover myself, but i also think this looks good. glad to hear you'll be fixing it up some if it needs it.

Posted by: anon at June 6, 2007 5:37 PM

Robin- if you did in fact buy it, then you certainly have your work cut out for you. Best of luck.

5:30- actually, none of the comments above were closed-minded at all. If you read them, they are all well-thought out, informed, and reasonable opinions on this property. And, I must admit, that the tone of these postings has been very respectful compared to others I've read about other buildings. I think we all would agree that there are plenty of non-brownstone buildings that are worth paying good $ for.

Posted by: 13th St resident at June 6, 2007 6:46 PM

I FUCKING TAKE A SHIT ON THIS AND ALL THE OTHER GAY DEVELOPER FUCK-JOBS. SHOVE IT UP YOUR MOTHER'S WHORE ASS YOU COCKSUCKERS!!!!

Posted by: JOHN FUCK at June 6, 2007 7:31 PM

"I walk past this building often, and I have been very, very happy to see it vacant for more than a year."


yes, this one was particularly thought out and reasonable, 6:46. just what we need in the neighborhood...more VACANT BUILDINGS!!!

i can find some other not very well thought out and uninformed arguements, if you'd like....

perhaps 4:11's brilliant comment about a real estate office telling builders how to design a building to get a higher asking price, or whatever the hell they were saying...

shows how jaded you've become if you think the above comments are for the most part, well thought out and informed.

Posted by: anonymous at June 6, 2007 7:33 PM

I like the look. not everyone likes just brownstones.

Posted by: armchair_warrior at June 6, 2007 8:04 PM

7:33, you should re-read what you wrote so you can see how off base you sound. a vacant empty building tells the developer that they made a piece of garbage, and should learn from it. as far as the neighborhood needing "more vacant buildings." what? it's not like that block is in danger of blight or anything.

4:11 also added about the realtor's advice, "I mean a basic logic of a fluid layout at least!!" absolutely true.

you appear to be the jaded one.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 8:10 PM

thanks 8:10, i mean 4:11.

haha.

not jaded here, just no need for all the negative comments for the sake of being negative. since when do brokers design the layout of a building?????

i don't agree about the vacant buildings. while park slope might be doing just fine in that area, vacant buildings are not a plus for the neighborhood in any capacity. to suggest so is pretty idiotic. i don't think the developer needs to learn a lesson. i happen to think he/she did just fine.


Posted by: anonymous at June 6, 2007 8:29 PM

Robin, may I ask where you are from? Why spend so much money on something obviously cheaply made? ALL houses wind up moneypits, but why buy one that starts out that way?

Posted by: Anonymous at June 7, 2007 1:43 AM

Are the boring flower pots and the country road address sign part of making it "sweet"?

Posted by: anonymous at June 7, 2007 12:21 PM

"the right thing" would be to tear it down.

Posted by: anonymous at June 7, 2007 12:23 PM

making nasty remarks to someone who just spent a lot of money on a home is beyond tasteless.

do you have no respect for yourself or other people? jesus.

hope none of you work for the suicide hotlines.

Posted by: anonymous at June 7, 2007 1:31 PM

2:50: since you asked, this reminds me of tht peice of crap that the mediocre fancy artist erected on the corner of S. Portland and (I think) fulton.

As well as that POS that's been sitting on the market i Boerum Hill forever, recently featured on this here site as a cold, ugly, boring Dwell-design victim.


Posted by: Anonymous at June 7, 2007 2:06 PM

Not sure where all this venom comes from, but since some was directed at me, I’ll dive into the quagmire and respond. This house is hardly deserving of such attention, and it’s probably not a wise decision to have identified myself to a small subset of hostile people [who post anonymously!], but here it is, for those who have some vague degree of interest:
- For “anon” on June 7, at 12:21, who seems to have asked a rhetorical question. The flower pots and sign are interim steps to help our new mom tenant feel cheerful and as though she has an address while we have not moved onto outside work yet. I find it really weird that these seem to have offended you – so be it.
- To the person who asked me where I am from, and why we spent “so much money.” I’ve been here for 7 years. We had been looking at all sorts of stuff to buy for more than 3 years, and this was not a rushed decision. We spent from October until end of February in very deliberate negotiations, with three sets of contractors bids, with engineers and architects helping us to make up our minds – and found that for the most part that work invested has helped us enormously as we move ahead. The finishes the seller chose were not to our taste, and clearly some of the end work was sub-par - but that is less significant than most of the solid foundational work and what is to us a great space with lots of potential. The price tag is expensive -- but absolutely, hands down, no more relatively, and actually less, than any other places in the neighbourhood. It’s all the same! There are no deals, only decisions about what one wants to live with (and in). Not that there haven’t been surprises – but that’s always the case.

The construction of the building clearly offended many – which really is too bad and I think about this – but that wasn’t us. And hopefully a more valuable thread will come along to eclipse this non-story.

Thanks,
- Robin

Posted by: Robin at June 7, 2007 4:00 PM

Robin,
Good for you! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions regarding tastes in renovations but it gives them no right to make nasty comments about your new home. I think the house looks great from the outside, a real breath of fresh air in the area! Congrats and enjoy your new home :)

Posted by: Anonymous at June 7, 2007 7:46 PM

Right on Robin. I'm sure your efforts will be rewarded. Don't let the Brownstone Nazis get you down. Great to have you in the nabe.

Posted by: anonymous at June 9, 2007 10:34 PM

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