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June 14, 2007

BAM Cultural District: Alive If Not Exactly Kicking

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The most recent headline-grabbing news about the BAM Cultural District was that the Enrique Norten-designed library was not going to happen after all because of a lack of funds. As an article in the new issue of The Architect's Newspaper points out, other pieces of the puzzle are finally coming together, thanks is part to the Bloomberg gang getting more hands on by moving the BAM LDC under the umbrella of the Downtown Brooklyn Partnership (DBP).
newaudiencerender1.jpgFirst up, the Theatre for a New Audience (at right), designed by Frank Gehry and Hugh Hardy, will move next door to the Mark Morris Dance Company on Lafayette, which opens up room for a decent-sized park at the corner of Lafayette and Ashland. This open space, currently being referred to as Grand Plaza, will act as an entry way to the three major cultural institutions; parking will go underneath the park. In addition, HPD has finished taking proposals for a new mixed-used building on the corner of Fulton and Ashland whose anchor tenant will be the contemporary dance company Danspace. In addition to financing, the big question in all this is timing. In addressing why it's been nine years since planning began, DBP Prez Joe Chan said, “Coordinating development with cultural groups is a lot more complicated than private developers.”
A Second Act for the BAM Cultural District [Architect's Newspaper] GMAP




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Sounds like Lincoln Center (and even kind of looks like it).

Posted by: Anonymous at June 14, 2007 10:21 AM

flatbush avenue & surrounding blocks, between AY and the Manhattan Bridge could use some revitilization..im happy that this is happening

Posted by: fred at June 14, 2007 10:41 AM

I've got a better idea. Why doesn't BAM renovate their space so it doesn't feel (or sound) like you're in a public school? How about an orchestra pit? Maybe they can insulate the doors to the street so that if you are sitting on the side of the hall you won't hear fire trucks blaring down Flatbush?

Most major universities have a better performance space than BAM.

BAM is a nice building on the outside, but educational types with an eye for 3rd graders have gutted this building so that it is hardly a respectable place to enjoy high art.

Even the lowly Metropolitan Opera House with its kitschy 1960's decore is a far better night on the town than BAM.

The area needs to be revitalized, but that will come when the Atlantic Yards are built. Instead, BAM should focus on their own property instead of trying to spread themselves too thin.

Posted by: Eryximachus at June 14, 2007 11:50 AM

"designed by Frank Gehry and High Hardy". its 'Hugh' Hardy, by the way.

Posted by: jim mcauliffe ra at June 14, 2007 11:57 AM

Eryximachus (oh, please): it's nice to know I'm just un"respectable" enough to be unlikely to rub elbows with you at BAM events. Enjoy the Met!

Posted by: antipomp at June 14, 2007 12:22 PM

Eryximachus, you are confusing the former BAM Local Development Corp., now part of the Downtown Brooklyn Partnership, with the Brooklyn Academy of Music. They're not one and the same.

The observation by 10:21 is correct, with the one major exception that the BAM Cultural District maintains the existing street pattern, rather than becoming a "super-block."

Posted by: g-man at June 14, 2007 12:41 PM

is there any hope for the library? it was such a cool design...and what about the weird garden center there...what's up with that place? has anyone every bought stuff there? has anyone ever seen a customer go in there? WTF?

Posted by: Anonymous at June 14, 2007 1:56 PM

Re 1:56

Yeah, I've shopped at the garden center lots of times, and every time there have been quite a few customers in there. Used to get my Christmas tree there too, until last December, when their selection was laughably pathetic.

Posted by: John Ife at June 14, 2007 2:02 PM

I agree with everything John Ife said, except I have never bought a Christmas tree at the garden center.

1:56, it's conjecture, but I suspect that the only hope for the proposed Visual and Performing Arts Library is if the BPL can find a developer who will build it on the lower floors of a new residential building. That would probably mean a complete re-design, and your comment seemed to be more about the Norten design than the possibility of a special branch library.

Posted by: g-man at June 14, 2007 2:22 PM

speaking as someone who works intimiately in the performing arts in new york, i can say that BAM (especially the harvey theatre) is considered one of the best venues in all 5 boroughs. it is especially good in terms of acoustics and space for modern operas, the brooklyn philharmonic's performances as well as for dance and some of the more integrated performanced they put on there.

you don't know what you are talking about, per usual eryximachus.

Posted by: anon at June 14, 2007 3:03 PM

G-man thanks for the tip. I stand corrected.

As for you Anon 3:03 - BAM may be one of the best venues, but that isn't saying much. It is one of few. The acoustics are acceptable, but street noise is a major problem. Serious musicians certainly don't consider it a major venue on a national level, and the Brooklyn Philharmonic performs there out of default.

As for "modern" operas, if you mean its great to listen to an opera without live music... you might be right. Some people (myself included) don't think it should be live music OR a performance.

As a Juilliard graduate with a music degree, performing arts people typically just don't care much about music. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that a stage tech would think it's a fine space.

I've played in venues all over the country, and considering BAM is the best the nation's 4th largest city has - it is a joke. If you think BAM is sufficient, and that anyone seriously involved with the arts would think it's sufficient, tells me your intimate involvement in the arts is irrelevent. Perhaps you should go back to changing those lightbulbs.

As well - a tip on arguing - perhaps you can point out why the space is so fabulous and why my criticisms are either unfounded or irrelevant. Just because you and some unammed people consider it one of the best venues is not an argument. It's just BS.

Posted by: Eryximachus at June 14, 2007 3:38 PM

i have a bachelors degree in music business, masters and doctorate degrees also from juilliard in music, and i am not only a performer but also manage some of the most highly trained and successful classical musicians and opera singers in the world. and my boyfriend plays in the brooklyn philharmonic, among other groups. and no, they are not there by default.

and that is my reason why i know it is a great venue. i don't need to arge with some pipsqueek who doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

you are incredibly misinformed on so many levels its laughable...in the past it seemed mainly about real estate and now apparently about the performing arts and music as well. and since your prior history of rants on here about your 6 figure salary not being enough to buy your 20 something ass a place in brooklyn (or anywhere else for that matter) seems as though you are either lying or simply not very talented. i'm guessing a little of both.

and yes, i am a homeowner and just a tad older than you.

Posted by: anon at June 14, 2007 4:01 PM

I LOVE BAM. I love the Harvey theater, its gorgeous "crumbling" anti-design.

However, I gotta agree that it's become kind of an embarassing to bring my more sophisticated friends there. It's really run down. It basically looks like the organization is either dirt poor or totally financially mismanaged. Those cheap front doors need to be repainted, if they can't actually replace them. The flooring looks like a very tattered gym floor.

it's just embarassing.

What's the problem over there? are they poor?

Posted by: Anonymous at June 14, 2007 6:47 PM

your "more sophisticated friends"?

Posted by: Anonymous at June 14, 2007 7:46 PM

You go, 4:01.

People who know what they are talking about - 1

Euryximachus - 0

Posted by: Anonymous at June 14, 2007 8:50 PM

8:50, are you new to the site? By my count:

People who know what they are talking about - 1,269

Euryximachus - 14

Posted by: Anonymous at June 14, 2007 10:20 PM

Ha! Too true, 10:20, too true.

Posted by: Anon at 8:50 at June 15, 2007 12:26 AM

That area is going to be awesome in a few years when these buildings go
up. It may be worth looking at buying an apartment at Forte on Fulton &
Ashland before the area gets too expensive.

Posted by: Kaitlin Harvey at June 15, 2007 10:41 AM

That area is going to be awesome in a few years when these buildings go
up. It may be worth looking at buying an apartment at Forte on Fulton &
Ashland before the area gets too expensive.

Posted by: Kaitlin Harvey at June 15, 2007 10:41 AM

That area is going to be awesome in a few years when these buildings go
up. It may be worth looking at buying an apartment at Forte on Fulton &
Ashland before the area gets too expensive.

Posted by: Kaitlin Harvey at June 15, 2007 10:41 AM

Again, we see how the average Brownstoner reader thinks. We have nothing but conjecture, anecdotal evidence, and of course the ever popular ad hominem attacks. I'm misinformed, I'm a fool, a liar, untalented. I'm even a pipsqueak ass!

Is it possible to have a rational discussion here? I'm still undecided.

Anon 4:01: I may have a humble BA, but my desire has always been to be a musician, not an academic.

The reality is the people who make the music have little respect for anyone who has a doctorate. You either can play, or you can't. People like you are the reason fine art in this country are in major decline, and the fact you delude yourself about the quality of BAM is evidence of this. As I originally stated, BAM has been ruined by educational types and you are one of them. Yes, it's true. People who waste their entire youth pursuing worthless degrees simply lack real vision. Just look at your intolerance to reasonable criticisms. Classical music and even opera are rapidly declining in cultural relevance, and survey after survey indicates you and those like you have failed to make the arts important to the current generation. Attendance and revenue is in decline. By any reasonable measure, the class to which you belong has failed. A true leader accepts criticism and new insight, realizes their failures, and works to overcome them. A musician should know this - I've spent most of my life constantly returning to the great works like Bach's Partitas and Sonatas always striving to make them a bit better.

Art by its very nature is an ephemeral ideal, and one that can never truly be attained. How do you not know this? I have no idea.

I am thrilled however that my name has achieved legendary status on this site. Funny how the truth hurts.

In a very general sense, the inability of the managerial class of the city to adapt city regulations to meet housing demand is rooted in the same failure of the managerial class of the arts world to make their craft relevant to the people.

Both are thoroughly conservative in their views and unable to alter them. Worse, they personally attack any and all dissent.

And thus we are left with the constant, ever present social dichotomy - the artist versus the bureaucrat. One strives to forever improve the world and achieve the ideal, the other follows a rulebook, the law, and seeks to preserve the status quo.

Posted by: Eryximachus at June 15, 2007 11:29 AM

you need to stick with curbed.com erychimachus.

you're a moron of the highest order.

Posted by: real musician at June 15, 2007 11:40 AM

Oh also - I too have played with the Brooklyn Philharmonic. It's not a regular, full-time orchestra. You're paid (a low rate)per gig and they do relatively few performances per year. It's a nice orchestra, but it walks that fine line between professional and amateur. Certainly, no one can work their full time. It is not the real Phil.

They have always played at BAM and the organization does support them. When I say they play there by default, I mean just that. That is their venue, and it has always been their venue. Not only that, there is really no alternative in Brooklyn. So let's not overstate things here - it's not like there are concert halls all over Brooklyn begging the Brooklyn Philharmonic to relocate.

Posted by: Eryximachus at June 15, 2007 11:43 AM

actually eryximachus...it's people like who who denounce BAM who are a major reason why such venues might be hurting. as a musician in new york city, what benefit have you given the arts by badmouthing brooklyn's premier arts institution??????

because you don't like the paint color of the front doors? or your precious ears have been caused damage by hearing a car honk during one of these brooklyn philharmonic concerts you seemingly love so much?? are you serious??obviously you have not been to carnegie hall where you can hear the subway trains rumbling underneath it yet it remains one of the preminent venues in the world.

you are a disgrace to the arts for your lack of support.

your comments disgust me.

Posted by: Arts Supporter at June 15, 2007 11:51 AM

Anon 4:01: I may have a humble BA, but my desire has always been to be a musician, not an academic.


it's too bad that NEITHER of those worked out for you, huh?

still bitter about it too...it's painfully obvious.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 15, 2007 11:58 AM

Arts Supported: I didn't make the comment about the paint, but I share the opinion that the place needs a major renovation. Pretty much all art venues in the city need a major renovation, but that isn't the point.

My only point is that rather than expanding the cultural offerings, we should work to make the existing facility better than it is. A total gut renovation that allows for an orchestra pit is to me, of utmost important. BAM will never spectacular as long as operas are performed to recordings.

As for my personal support, I do what I can. I teach lessons for free to kids from disadvantaged homes, and refuse to accept the meager payments from organizations like the Brooklyn Philharmonic. I am but one man, but I try to bring the gift of music to a few. I only perform if it music that interests me, or if requested by a friend or colleague.

Anon 11:58 AM: I'm not a failure of a musician. I'm quite happy with my involvement in the world of classical music performance, and my decision to focus on the real estate business and make some real money. As for being an academic - I've never had the desire. Tis hard to fail at something you have never attempted.

Do not confuse polemics with bitterness. One is a rhetorical approach, the other is a state of mind. In any event, the many insults here have no effect on me. If anything, they private cheap entertainment. Kepp 'em coming...

Posted by: Eryximachus at June 15, 2007 1:01 PM

"my decision to focus on the real estate business and make some real money. As for being an academic - I've never had the desire. Tis hard to fail at something you have never attempted. " But according to you, you can't find an apartment even with your "6-figure" salary- if you're in real estate and you can't even do that, sounds like failure to me.

E- you always manage to sound like a pompous ass. That's your real legend. Over and over again you have made statements that simply show you to be a kid with an ego bigger than his knowledge or experience. You are the worst know it all in Brooklyn- all mouth, no ears.You never say anything positive, you write polemics and rant incessantly. A perfect example of "sound and fury, signifying nothing." If you think that makes you legendary you haven't set your bar very high.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 15, 2007 3:05 PM

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