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May 7, 2007

Front Page Forum: Where to Look for a Fence?

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There seems to be a great deal of uncertainty among homeowners about fences. Namely, what style of fence to use and where to get it. When we were planning our garden reno last Spring we had a very tough time finding anything on our own; ultimately, the guy we hired to help us sourced this red cedar fence which we've been quite happy with. (Don't mind the almost barren flower bed.) So where have readers gone to get their fence material? How about online sources or catalogs like the (rather pricey) Walpole Woodworkers?




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Fencing is a big issue for us, since we have a school behind us and in front of us. We've used Amendola, and got cedar fencing but with a Martha Stewart-y lattice topping; good installation and service, although hideously expensive (well, at least to us, but then what we really can afford is twigs and bakery string). They're on the Island but don't mind coming into Brooklyn.

Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at May 7, 2007 11:19 AM

We used a cedar fence from Academy Fence in NJ (http://www.academyfence.com). They had a nice shadow box which I like and is well constructed. I'd used Lowe's do tooth on our old house (it looks like your right hand fence, which is fine too). You're right about fncig though, finding decent stuff is hard and finding someone decen t to install harder -- I think you have to think outside the 5 boros and think LI or NJ.

Posted by: Ian at May 7, 2007 11:22 AM

We used Amendola too and had very good results. They charged on the higher side of what we expected, i.e. around 4 k for a cedar fence in a 20/45 ft yard.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 11:22 AM

Where I grew up (outside Boston) the etiquete was that you faced the fence out - i.e the pickets were on the outside, facing the neighbors, and the posts and cross members were on the inside (also made sense if you wanted to keep people from climbing into your yard). This does not seem the custom at all here in Brooklyn where as in the photo, people do it opposite (which would seem to make installation a bit hard btw). My neighbor behind just built a masonry block wall and his contractor really was sloppy on my side (which in addition to being ugly I think compromises the integrity of the wall). I told my neighbor he could send his mason over on my property to fix it if he wanted, but no dice. Another neighbor and I have opened up the pciket fence ( hlaf as many pcikets) in order to allow more light in both our yards. Do people think that one should consider the neighbors when erected fences or is it every castle to itself? Also can one put a six foot fence in the front yard?

Posted by: putnam-denizen at May 7, 2007 11:39 AM

11:39am - my understanding is the same as yours - when building a fence, you are supposed to build it with the pickets on the inside of your yard, with the finished side facing outward.

Poor etiquette to build it the other way. But thats NY for you.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 11:47 AM

Brooklyn Fence has a pretty great supplier from Canada that has nice design options including various lattice designs, at quite reasonable prices. Our fence plus install for a standard back yard, including a custom gate with trellis, was about $6K.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 11:50 AM

I just put a new fence up in the back yard. I faced it inwards. In the 'burbs the whole world sees your fence so it kinda makes sense to put good-side-out. Here, me and my neighbor see it, I paid for it. C'est la vie I say!

Besides, looks decent from their side. Lowes. Not greatest quality but couple of hundred bucks for 36 feet of fence, posts and quick-setting concrete. Looks pretty cool.

Posted by: John at May 7, 2007 11:54 AM

There's a really nice-looking Brooklyn garden reno featured in the current Domino magaazine. It includes a great fence purchased at Home Depot.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 11:57 AM

anything, backwards or not, is better then those awful metal "fences" people have in their yards. I don't understand how people who have the taste to buy a brownstone then ruin it with a nasty yard instead of a proper garden.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 11:57 AM

Walpole gave us a quote of nearly 12k for 150ft of fencing and a driveway gate for a property we have in RI. They were very professional, but overpriced. We found a similar solution for less than half of their quote. Nice catalog and website to use for ideas, though.

Posted by: anon in bklyn at May 7, 2007 11:58 AM

what about bamboo fence? has anyone had any experience with that? is it any cheaper?

Posted by: anon at May 7, 2007 12:06 PM

We bought an eastern cedar lattice fence(6ft tall, 8ft panels) from http://www.waysidefence.com and installed it ourselves. Well, we do have a carpenter that is working with us as we restore this house.

The fence is great, the deliverer helped take it through the parlor and out to the backyard!

We installed it with the posts in-line with the panels and put Thompsons oil on the neighbors side before installation, so everyone gets the same view. Being lattice, it isn't a heavy privacy fence, but it does allow light and air to travel through the yards.

Originally there was a 3ft chain link fence around the back and I believe it dated pretty far back as a lot of the houses in our row have the same fence.

Posted by: PLGfan at May 7, 2007 12:25 PM

I just did a fence with Almendola. It cost almost 4 k. We could not fit it through our downstairs so I had to help the guys lift it through our parlor windows and down to the garden. Thanks for large windows, 6 ft high fence, beware it might not fit through your staircase.. We got a bid from the Chelsea Garden Center they wanted 12,000 for the fence and extra 1200 to stain it, and charged tax on top of it, ALmendola did not charge sales tax as it was a capital improvement. Ha take that NY STATE.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 12:58 PM

chain link fences are ghetto

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 1:08 PM

To 11:39 and 11:47: Agree with you 100%--BTW, it has always been custom in Brooklyn to put nice side out--it's out-of-towners who treat their neighbors so unneighborly with the crude justification, "I paid for it." You can't buy good taste or good behavior.
To 11;57: Many houses had low picket fences until the 50s or 60s, when two trends started: tall picket fences, which cut out light and kept you from seeing into the neighbors' yards (privacy maybe less important than nosiness) and cheap metal fences. Chain link seems as senseless as aluminum siding until you realize that people were tired of all the maintenance and replacement costs of wood. Most people used to do that sort of work themselves, and it could get time-consuming as well as expensive. Different times, different priorities.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 1:20 PM

It's mostly chain link fences on my block of the South Slope. Ugly, yes, but at least you get more light and air than with those big stockade fences. And you can get morning glories or something to grow on them in the spring and summer.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 1:48 PM

I went to Fence Plaza on Rogers Ave and purchased a doubled sided cedar fence with a lattice top that looks "finished" on both sides.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 1:50 PM

Dude:

What happened to your lawn?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 1:57 PM

Anyone have ideas for the one side of my yard that faces a lot used to store construction vehicles and other junk? I'd like a fence as tall as the current gaggle of chain link and 4x4 -- about 15 feet high -- to totally shield us from their stink and noise. Is that ridiculous? If not, what do you recommend? Thanks guys.

Posted by: Jeremy at May 7, 2007 2:36 PM

How are the prices at Fence Plaza?

Posted by: cb at May 7, 2007 3:16 PM

put in chain fencing when I first moved in because I noticed that some folks think your fence is for their use as well. The owner to the back of my yard has a habit of using his backyard as a dumping ground and was putting heavy garbage on the old fencing. That neighbor consequently tried to remove a tree and damage my new fence. Thank God, I didn’t put in wood because (he didn’t even want to pay me what the chain was worth) I would probably be in jail now! I am still going to replace the back fence with “1:08pm: ghetto chain” because of the situation. My neighbors may have fancy fences, but their yards don’t look any better than minds! People get caught up with what everybody else is doing, like there is only one right way of doing anything, but you can be creative and do things to camouflage and dress up any area. I initially wanted wood, but since my neighbors on both sides of me have put up privacy fences and everybody seems to have them, I rather do something different. One of the things I want to try this season is to train an espalier tree on my fence.

Posted by: BedStyliving at May 7, 2007 3:26 PM

i just put up the same fence pictured on some older existing fence posts...got the fence from Lowes. cheap. love it.

Posted by: modern in cg at May 7, 2007 3:40 PM

I have a question regarding the 6 inches in from your property line in order to install fences? Is this just a urban myth or proper etiquette or law, rule?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 4:59 PM

I just put up a bamboo fence in my backyard. It was pricey and had to be special ordered from CA, but it's absolutely gorgeous, and looks a lot more interesting than the typical home depot/lowe's lattice fencing. The ecological friendliness is a nice bonus, too.

Posted by: meg at May 7, 2007 5:25 PM

any eco value from your new bamboo fence is likely negated by shipping it from across the country

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 6:47 PM

Re: Prices Fence Plaza

I am in Beverley Square West (Victorian Flatbush)and my yard is huge. We paid 4K installed which was about the same price at Amedola. That included a side gate with locking mechanism and the 2 gate driveway gate with locking mechanism. A year after installing the fence, I backed my truck into the gate (yes, the back up sensor was on but I thought I could still back it a little further.) It was minor damage, but they came right out and repaired it free of charge .

Posted by: Anonymous at May 7, 2007 9:57 PM

How is a bamboo fence ecologically friendly? You got me.....

Posted by: anon at May 8, 2007 4:10 AM

"any eco value from your new bamboo fence is likely negated by shipping it from across the country"

Bullsh*t! This is possibly true of low value goods, like a head of lettuce, but completely bogus for things of any significant value. High volume shipping is extremely efficient, big ships and long trains are in a totaly different world with respect to to fuel per km per kilo than you are used to thinking about. It's that last 100 km in New York Cities terribly inefficient trucking system which does most of the environmental damage. Do you really think that chopping down some grass and burning a few ounces of diesel extra is worse than cutting down a couple trees?

Anyway, back on topic. I would never install a fence with the nicest side in, that's just rude. Get a two sided fence, or better yet talk to your neighbors about sharing the cost of a two sided fence between you then you can place it on the property line.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 8, 2007 9:35 AM

On the topic of backyards -- does anyone have any good recs for a company that trims overgrown trees?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 8, 2007 10:36 AM

I love the Brooklyn back yard fence in the current issue of domino too. Any recommendations on tradespeople who can do the job? I saw they bought their lumber from home depot.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 8, 2007 11:19 AM

Bamboo shouldn't have to be shipped to us from California. It must come on ships to NYC too. The green building business is expanding wildly. Do the research because a material that wasn't available here last year or even months or weeks ago, is often available now.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 8, 2007 12:01 PM

children and two people w/out a green thumb happened to our lawn! bought some fertilizer today and will do my best...

Posted by: mrs.brownstoner at May 8, 2007 8:34 PM

I just got into a battle royale with my neighbor over a fence. The neighbor has a chainlink fence that was covered in ivy which had grown onto my fence and compromised the wood. We therefore removed the fence and installed a brand new beautiful painted wood fence in place of the old. (The designer even asked the neighbors what color they'd like their side painted!) My neighbor was very upset about the ivy being removed (even though the good majority was on my property) and even more peeved that the "wrong" side of the fence faced out. Her chain link fence obscures the view, so I don't know why it's an issue to begin with. Just to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, I called the Brooklyn Buildings Department, and there is no law that states on which side the fence should face. It's particularly silly to worry about that in Brooklyn when most of the fences simply face other fences. I tried to do the right thing by letting my neighbors know weeks ahead of time about the work I planned to do, but it simply opened a pandora's box. Good luck to anyone doing work in the future. Oh, and the ironic part.... her fence is also installed "wrong side out".

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 4:39 PM

I just got into a battle royale with my neighbor over a fence. The neighbor has a chainlink fence that was covered in ivy which had grown onto my fence and compromised the wood. We therefore removed the fence and installed a brand new beautiful painted wood fence in place of the old. (The designer even asked the neighbors what color they'd like their side painted!) My neighbor was very upset about the ivy being removed (even though the good majority was on my property) and even more peeved that the "wrong" side of the fence faced out. Her chain link fence obscures the view, so I don't know why it's an issue to begin with. Just to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, I called the Brooklyn Buildings Department, and there is no law that states on which side the fence should face. It's particularly silly to worry about that in Brooklyn when most of the fences simply face other fences. I tried to do the right thing by letting my neighbors know weeks ahead of time about the work I planned to do, but it simply opened a pandora's box. Good luck to anyone doing work in the future. Oh, and the ironic part.... her fence is also installed "wrong side out".

Posted by: Anonymous at June 6, 2007 4:40 PM

I got my bamboo fence from www.mastergardenproducts.com, they have wonderfula selection of bamboo fencing,and they are right here in New Jersey, I actually went over to their showroom in Fairfield, it took me a hour to get there but is worth it!!

Posted by: John at August 7, 2007 2:34 PM

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