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April 27, 2007
TONY Recommends: Carroll G, Sunset P and The Wick
The title of Time Out New York's current issue is Apartments: How to find a place when you're ready for the next phase of your life. Not surprisingly, the County of Kings pops up more than once. Carroll Gardens gets the nod in the You’re tired of hip, gritty and edgy category. And if you're looking for one of New York’s last untouched neighborhoods, TONY recommends Sunset Park where you are encouraged not to worry about the lack of nightlife: "I remember all Williamsburg was 10 to 15 years ago was a bar and a bulletin board near the L stop," says 34-year Sunset Parker Jason Hernandez-Rosenblatt. "And look what happened there.” And for those young lovebirds looking to play house but not quite ready to breed, there's always Bushwick. “Once people realize they can get a 1,000-square-foot loft with skylights for $1,300 a month and still be only ten minutes from Manhattan, the 300-square-foot, fifth-floor walk-up with the shower in the kitchen on Ludlow Street for $2,300 doesn’t look so great anymore,” says Chrissy Rossettie, an ArdorNY agent.
Apartments: Urban Renewal [TONY]
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I think He is right Carroll Gardens is just wonderful, the people are the same as Park slope but the Kids and the parents are just a little cleaner, almost like the take baths. Also the area just feels safe maybe because the old guard is watching (mafiaso) but whatever it is that is the spot to go if you are looking for cool.
Posted by: dave at April 27, 2007 9:51 AM
Uh ya wish. Ain't no mafioso in CG anymore.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 10:16 AM
Bushwick is "only 10 minutes from Manhattan"? Please.
Posted by: z at April 27, 2007 10:17 AM
10 minutes by jet pack
2007 is the future mothafuckas
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 10:27 AM
10 minutes by jet pack
after all, bushwick is the future mothafuckas
Posted by: TONY is retarded at April 27, 2007 10:28 AM
sorry for the double, slightly amended post
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 10:30 AM
It's not the mafioso in CG, it's the older neighborhood folk, many of whom are living in the same house they lived all their lives, who look out for one another. The nice thing about Carroll Gardens is that many of the cops, transit workers, small store owners, and others still live in the neighborhood and it hasn't been completely overrun with yuppies, hipsters, or whatever you want to call the newest arrivals. At least, not yet.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 10:31 AM
fine, make it 15 minutes then. Who freakin cares? Still closer than anywhere in souf brooklyn.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 10:31 AM
if you take the J/Z at Gates during rush hour (it runs express)it is indeed 15 minutes to Delancy
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 10:35 AM
they make it sounds like CG is some undiscovered enclave! it is pretty impossible to get a decent/cheap apt there. sunset park for $1000--yes. CG is already over and done with. that's a million dollar brownstone area...even the old italian ladies (my landlord) are hip to it and the rents they charge has skyrocketed.
Posted by: anon at April 27, 2007 10:57 AM
cg is quite lovely, but for nearly the same money, i'd still take park slope anyday over it.
being so close to prospect park and to be able to wake up on a spring or summer saturday and stumble up there is an amazing treat.
and if you're in the north slope, the access to the q train and 2/3 trains far surpasses being close to the f train, in my opinion.
i think people far undervalue being close to the park. if you lived there, you'd know...
Posted by: anon at April 27, 2007 11:11 AM
I think the park is great but so is being closer in carroll gardens to Manhattan and being able to walk to the promenade and i just continue to say the yuppies in carroll gardens have the same intellect as park slope just a cleaned up version. The only difference is the old ladies that still own some homes in carroll gardens. Both areas are great, i just like carroll gardens a little better but prospect park is great.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 11:17 AM
i don't think the article meant to compare and contrast every neighborhood, or to say CG is better than PS.
Posted by: anon at April 27, 2007 11:22 AM
i don't know what the cleaned up version crap is supposed to mean at all.
makes no sense.
Posted by: anonymous at April 27, 2007 11:34 AM
It makes a lot of sense look at the people and the kids, carroll Gardens kids look like they took a bath, the parents look like they cleaned underneath there finger nails. That's what it means very simple stuff here , you just need to open your eyes.
Posted by: ron at April 27, 2007 11:58 AM
But Carroll Gardens is better than Park Slope. Sooo much better.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 12:00 PM
My husband and I like Bushwick a lot but wonder about the L on the weekends, any thoughts? Also who is a good realtor for the nabe? Seems listings on nytimes are all new and we're interested in something old or old-ish
Posted by: looking at April 27, 2007 12:21 PM
Carroll Gardens is WAY expensive now, and the F train blows. Even when I lived there over 10 years ago I had to let 3 trains pass before I could sandwich myself in durning morning rush. I can't imagine what it's like now, and getting to work every morning late and crabby is a horrible way to live. For the same price you can live in Manhattan anyway, with better subway options.
Posted by: cg hater at April 27, 2007 12:21 PM
and i'd take the bars and shops on 5th avenue in park slope over smith street any day.
i think in a poll you'd find most prefer park slope over carroll gardens, if for no other reason than i've never met a soul who enjoyed commuting on the F train.
it's THE WORST!
Posted by: anonymous at April 27, 2007 12:24 PM
There is no comparison, CG rocks over park slope. It is much closer to manhattan and there is a sense of a neighborhood.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 12:26 PM
12:21, don't worry about the L on weekends. I can't remember the last time is was shuttered for track work. Doesn't mean it won't still be ongoing, just that the major hassles are over.
I'd worry about the morning L crush. But that's more of an issue the closer you are to the Bedford stop.
Not sure about good realtors, sorry.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 12:27 PM
I agree anan 12:26 carroll gardens rocks over Park slope and to the other posters there are still many Italian flags flying high in carroll gardens, you sure the mafia is out ? I dont think so.
Posted by: ron at April 27, 2007 12:44 PM
Don't forget that CG has the G train too. It may not take you to manhattan but it does take you to other trains that take you to manhattan. I watch all those saps waiting for the F when I take the G and transfer to the same trains but without all of the mayhem. Try it someday.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 12:51 PM
and don't forget that park slope has the Q train (probably one of the best in nyc) which gets you to union square in 10 minutes or the 2/3 train which takes you to any west side of manhattan location quite quickly.
sorry to compare that to the F or G trains is pretty ludicrous.
no matter how great cg is, the transportation factor is not one of its strong points.
Posted by: anon at April 27, 2007 12:56 PM
my commute from Bushwick is 10-15 minutes to the East Village. This is correct....even the further places in the hood are like 20-25..
Posted by: steve at April 27, 2007 1:03 PM
I can't see how you are complaining about the "f" train it is 4 stops from manhattan from smith street and 3 stops from bergen street, Or you can pedal your way up Adams and over the Bridge in 15 min and wow your on Wall street, is that a bad commute?
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 1:04 PM
this is why i'm complaining...
The Straphangers Campaign has released its annual State of the Subways Report Card and yet again, the 6 train is named the best line while the N is the worst. The other trains, from best to worst, were the 1/9, 7, 4, E, J/Z, L, 5, Q, 2, 3, V, F, A, D, R, M, B, W, C. So, overall, it seems that the crappiest grouping of lines are the B, D, F, V - which comes as no surprise, as though cars are really old and crappy.
guess i'm not the only one as even the MTA thinks the F is one of the worst.
Posted by: anon at April 27, 2007 1:11 PM
Notice the article says that Wiliamsburg was just a bar and a bulletin board 10-15 years ago. Artists started moving in there--and in DUMBO--around 1979. It took a lo-o-o-ong time for real estate boom to find that out. So, I think the TONY nabes are pretty discovered and I'd be interested in word on much smaller and cheaper enclaves.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 1:57 PM
There is no mafia!
Posted by: Tony Soprano at April 27, 2007 2:17 PM
No mafia ? then who is running the unions?
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 3:21 PM
1:57 looking for smaller cheaper enclave? try kensington - do a search on this board and you'll get a good sample. housing is much cheaper, nice mix of yups, old-timers, different ethnicities, sort-of gay friendly, etc. some nice restaurants etc coming up on cortelyou, and likely to see more (yes it's technically ditmas park but who cares?) cons: housing stock is pedestrian if that sort of thing matters to you, not much nightlife (but more coming) and it's a haul from manhattan - doable in my opinion but will take you at least 45 minutes to get into village or farther north.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 3:53 PM
Park slope is pants - you can't park here anymore. I'm moving.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 6:10 PM
I love Brooklyn wouldnt want to live anywhere else in the world and i have lived in a few places.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 6:52 PM
What happened to Jason H-R's blog?
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 7:07 PM
"What happened to Jason H-R's blog?"
Posted by: Anonymous at April 27, 2007 7:07 PM
I got a job.
I regret erasing it. Tried starting it up again in february, but blogger wouldn't give me the sunset parker address again...
Posted by: Sunset Parker at April 27, 2007 9:09 PM
what they wrote for Ditmas Park:
If you’re looking to buy a property, you’ll have better luck in more affordable neighborhoods, advises Highlyann Krasnow, executive VP of the Developers Group. “A mortgage broker has an easier time dealing with credit-issued people when the purchase point is lower, because the risk is lower,” she says, recommending Ditmas Park, Brooklyn, where you can get a two-bedroom for $350,000. It’s an ass-hauling 30 to 40 minutes from Manhattan on the Q train and lacks retail stores, but for you, Debty McSpenderson, maybe that’s a good thing.—LL
Ass-hauling 3o-40 minutes? What the hell? who writes this crap?
Posted by: Anonymous at April 28, 2007 11:02 AM
Everything everywhere is overpriced, but if you are looking for a comparatively affordable place with a strong community vibe, Ditmas Park is the place. Fewer amenities to be sure, but nothing you can't live without. And when the Connecticut Muffin and the Gourmet store open this summer on Cortelyou there'll be even less grounds for complaint. The place can't be beat for kid friendliness either.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 28, 2007 11:17 PM
The first line about staying in Manhattan: "If you needed to ride your bike down a tree-lined street while waving to the kindly shopkeepers who know your name, you’d move to motherfucking Kansas, right?"
Huh? I thought Kansas walled off all the bike-friendly tree-lined streets with interstates and put all the kindly shopkeepers out of business with Wal-Mart. That's what New Mexico is like.
Posted by: JF at April 29, 2007 9:25 PM
Sunset Park? Is that a joke??
I work there, and dread going every day. The 'hood is a dump and a bore and lacks almost all amenities beyond the bare minimum of crappy bodegas and bad mexican and chinese food, oh, and some fast food restaurants. What a find!
Posted by: M at April 29, 2007 10:08 PM
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