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March 9, 2007

Open House Picks

house Fiske Terrace
1822 Glenwood Road, Listing #708045
Fillmore
Sat 4-6, Sun 4-6
$1,600,000
GMAP P*Shark

house West Midwood
745 Westminster Road
Mary Kay Gallagher
Sunday 1-3
$1,295,000
GMAP P*Shark

house Bedford Stuyvesant
382 Greene Avenue, Listing #729043
Fillmore
Sat 4-6, Sun 4-6
$1,100,000
GMAP P*Shark

house Prospect Lefferts
290 Parkside Avenue
Douglas Elliman
Sunday 3-4:30
$700,000
GMAP P*Shark

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While I'm happy to live in Brownstone Brooklyn, those victorian midwood houses are just amazing.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 12:14 PM

On the PLG listing: for 785K (just 85K more) you could get this house in Lefferts Manor on Maple street: http://www.halstead.com/detail.aspx?id=1221452

Re the other Elliman listing in PLG, is Sterling betweeen Rogers and Nostrand in Lefferts Manor? Bob Marvin?

Posted by: nemo at March 9, 2007 12:15 PM

Fiske at 1.6MM still needs so much work but as a B&B could make someone money (??). The Midwood house lacks alot of the original details most homes there should have and seems overpriced .. the work they did doesn't really do it for me anyway so I would see that as work to be done again one day ... highhat lights in a victorian-ish house?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 12:17 PM

yawn

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 12:55 PM

yeah- I live right near the Glenwood Road listing. That price is insanity. I wish it weren't, but it is. To me, it's overpriced by at least 300, maybe 400k.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 1:27 PM

I agree on the Glenwood Road listing. I think it is overpriced. But then things in Victorian Flatbush seem to be going for more and more regardless of the slowing market. I guess it is because the area is so unique and their isn't much inventory. The Caton Place house that was being flipped so quickly and still needed so much work actually had a price increase. Odd. Also the beautiful one Mary Kay had for $1.9, which was highlighted a week or so ago and many thought was overpriced, is already in contract.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 1:53 PM

I have seen ths fiske terrace one and it needs a BOAT load of work. I think that it may go for 1mil but thats it...it needs at least 600k. Plus there is no backyard. The properties are movin in this neighborhood but only the good ones.

Posted by: me at March 9, 2007 2:06 PM

The parkside house seems kinda pricy, considering that $900k gets you a house double the size in this hood.
If it needs alot of work, it could go for more like $575k

Posted by: ImNotYourDaddy at March 9, 2007 3:07 PM

There is another West Midwood house for sale at approximately 763 Rugby Road. It's in great shape.

Yet another is available on Wellington Court off Rugby. It is at the end of the court and is abutting the Q-train tracks. But it was completely renovated about five years ago. The result is virtually no train noise. I checked on this factor during a recent open house.

By the way, West Midwood is defined as the area bound by Coney Island Avenue on the west, the Q-train tracks on the east, Avenue H on the south, and Foster Avenue on the north.

Fiske Terrace is on the east side of the Q-train tracks and its eastern border is Ocean Avenue. North and south are Foster and H.

Prices have only recently passed the million mark in these two neighborhoods.

Posted by: stockholder revolt at March 9, 2007 3:12 PM

I've seen that Elliman listing in PLG, too, and, no, that is NOT Lefferts Manor, but it is in the PLG historic district. It's a nice block of mostly 2 family houses. The Parkside house is not landmarked, and is across the street from Mcdonald's (not a great thing) and just one half block from the Q station (a good thing), and almost next to a so-so Associated (a mixed thing). You could get one in the historic district on a better block (Sterling or Lefferts) for the same or only slightly more, but it wouldn't be as close to the train or the park.

Posted by: babs at March 9, 2007 3:21 PM

What brokers are those with?

Posted by: ques at March 9, 2007 3:22 PM

If you're referring to the houses for sale on Sterling and Lefferts (apart from the one at Elliman), they're listed with your typical no-name Brooklyn brokers -- their advertising is virtually nil and they don't co-broke. Your best solution here is to get out and walk the blocks -- they have "for sale" signs out front.

Posted by: babs at March 9, 2007 3:25 PM

Hey Stockholder Revolt, where are the listings for the houses on Rugby and Wellington Ct. to be found? I can't find them online.

Posted by: Anon at March 9, 2007 3:59 PM

Anon at March 9, 2007 3:59 PM, you asked:

"...where are the listings for the houses on Rugby and Wellington Ct. to be found?"

Good question. Don't know the answer. But both houses have "for sale" signs swinging out front by the sidewalks and I've been inside both of them.

The Wellington Ct house is listed with a broker. But the Rugby Road house may be a private sale. However, the long-term owner sold the house at least a year ago and the current owner was, I believe, motivated to flip it for a quick profit.

That strategy is probably not working with this house. It's a decent place, but it lacks a driveway. Though parking is not a problem in the neighborhood, those without driveways are still hassled by alternate-side parking rules twice a week.

Rugby is one-way. Both houses are between Glenwood and Avenue H.

Posted by: stockholder revolt at March 9, 2007 4:09 PM

The PLG house was listed on Craiglist earlier this week as an FSBO for 550. I though that was a good price since I haven't seen anything that close to the park for under 700 (though I am not familiar with this neighborhood, I have read similar high-crime comments about my neighborhood, Crown Heights North, which I credit mostly to racial prejudice, however unwitting). I guess the guy went with a big name broker who convinced him he was selling himself short. My husband went to look at the place and said it was quite nice, with some interesting details, though a bit worn. The basement has no windows, and the yard is facing the rear of an apartment building so does not afford much privacy. The park and the Q are very close, though, and if you work in midtown the Q will get you there very fast.

Posted by: the supersleuth at March 9, 2007 4:22 PM

Cranky comment here.... what is it with Filmore? Why can't they provide multiple photos for a listing? They are also usually crappy pictures. Why can't they provide direct links to the actual property? I like the looks of the Bed Sty property but how can you decide if you want to bother with the open House if you have one bad picture of the front behind a tree? Is that a drive by shot? The price isn't cheap, but you don't know why. The Midwood property looks a little sad - is that vinyl siding, why the stark black and white in the bathrooms? Dang, why go through the trouble to renovate if you are going to come up with that? That's the thing with renovators with no taste - you have to pay for it and then pay again to make it nice. It's not like the place is cheap. Anyway, thank God it's Friday. Have a nice weekend everybody.

Posted by: donatella at March 9, 2007 4:33 PM

I'm on the A/C lines between Fulton Avenue and Madison Street. Honestly, I'm still trying to figure out the whole neighborhood naming game, though I think I'm smack in the middle of BedStuy, you true Brooklynites, may know better. So, feel to correct me. I can hardly wait until the warmer weather so that I can walk and truly see "where I'm at." Right now, your lively posts on the subject are very enlightening.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 4:36 PM

I gather from your message that you are in "North" Stuy.....I just started a thread to see if there are others who ride the J, M, Z train and are exploring the area of BedStuy around Broadway/Myrtle and Kosciusco....I've been here in "North Stuy" two years and still think there must be or could be some cool stuff springing up besides the endless hair weaving shops and Bodegas..... Anyway, hopefully others will respond to my Myrtle/Broadway post....

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 4:37 PM

Look homeowner, we ain't from here, so just as the folks before us have done, we're bringing in our own distinctions so that we can make some sense of this large unwieldy neighborhood. Who ever heard of giving such a large area one name? And from what I've heard BS is smaller now that it once was. Weren't some people living in Clinton Hill (or even Fort Greene) saying that they lived in BS years ago? Madness!

If blocks upon blocks upon blocks of land are given one name, then there needs to be some sort of additional wording to pinpoint location. Saying you live in Bed-Stuy is like saying you live in America. Doesn't tell you much.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 4:38 PM

no thank you 4:35 I think the dividing line should be Gates ave. yall can keep those projects :-)

Posted by: south side in the hizhouse at March 9, 2007 4:41 PM

i've seen the greene ave home. great block. its on the clinton hill side of bedford ave., and if corcoran was listing it they'd have it listed as clinton hill, since they now use bedford as the BS starting point. there's lots of upside. but the bottom line is this house needs substantial reno. $1.1 is way high.

Posted by: savegreeneave at March 9, 2007 5:16 PM

The Rugby Road house I think is in West Midwood at 745 Rugby Road, Mary Kay Gallaghers has it.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 5:16 PM

gates the dividing line? that is so beyond dumb i can barely stand it. dumb, dumb, dumb because you would still have marcy pjs deeper in. i agree--name changes are critical for this large bed-stuy neighborhood. there is a similarity between dekalb to fulton/classon to nostrand maybe? how about now-noc (not williamsb /not clinton h). or class-strand. or classnos.(play on Russian "glasnost" or openness).

Posted by: jake at March 9, 2007 5:19 PM

Hey Babs,

I normally defer to your wisdom and experience, but fwiw, I'm afraid this time you have it wrong on the Parkside Avenue house. It most definitely not located across the street from McDonald's (it's at least a block away) nor is it situated next door to an Associated. I don't even think there is a supermarket on that block.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 5:23 PM

"Alternative opinions" are not one-sentence blanket racist statements unspported by facts, all made by the same person pretending to have a conversation with himself that completely misrepresents an entire neighborhood without presenting even the slightest nuance or balance to his observations. If some conservative pundit from Ohio on Fox TV announces the entire city of NYC or L.A. is immoral, you jump all over him. And yet somehow here on brownstoner, it's okay to dismiss an entire neighborhood in exactly the same manner. How nice.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 6:22 PM

Nemo,

Sorry--I was out for the day. Babs is correct about the Sterling St. house--IN the PLG HD, but not in Lefferts Manor. She's a bit off about the Parkside Ave.house, which is between Flatbush & Bedford (Anon. 5:23 is right). The McDonalds is on the corner of Ocean Ave. The Flatbush--Ocean block of Parkside is commercial. The Flatbush--Bedford block is residential and IMO has some of the nicest row houses anywhere, such as these:

http://brooklyncameraclub.org/v-web/gallery/albums/album196/Parkside_3.jpg

This particular house is much plainer. The Maple street house you mention is also a fairly plain, red brick colonial revival, but certainly a nice house.

Oh, BTW, anon.3:26 is IMHO full of s**t !

Posted by: Bob Marvin at March 9, 2007 6:34 PM

Jake, gates ave is perfect. Maybe years ago there was a large gate there like wall street. Marcy PJs are north of Gates.

sounds like we need a North, South and Central?

Posted by: southside in the hizhouse at March 9, 2007 7:10 PM

i absolutely agree that bs needs to be broken down into smaller named neighborhoods, just as almost every neighborhood in nyc has done. it won't affect the history or the fabric of bs, it will only help it by making it easier to navigate...it is HUGE. even if it's north stuy/west stuy/east stuy....something to give some clarity to the people who live there and for those who don't. don't fight it!!!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 7:40 PM

Yep, I think "Bedford Heights" as a complement to Stuyvesant Heights seems like the most likely outcome... probably the name will only start to catch on once the Western part of the BedStuy brownstone belt gets landmarked (which should have happened ages ago).

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 7:49 PM

The longer they wait the more crap these developers throw up. What's the hold up?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 7:53 PM

all of this talk about designating areas of bed stuy with different names is so overdue-make it happen already! the area is too HUGE to simply lump under one title. i live in western bed stuy, on greene & bedford. it's great. my block feels like clinton hill did not so long ago-they'll probably call it clinton hill in a few years. walk north and it feels different. walk further east and it feels very different again. bedford heights is a good one-still maintains it's connection to bed stuy but with distinction.

Posted by: anon at March 9, 2007 8:13 PM

how does a neighborhood get landmark status, and a new name?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 8:17 PM

All we need is to follow the process Crown Heights just went through to establish its historic district. We extend the Stuy Hgts. district to include the previously proposed district, which I believe goes up to Madison and over to Patchen. Bedford Heights would be appropriate from Marcus Garvey over to Bedford and from Decatur to Quincy. All that's needed is someone to lead the effort. I'm sure many others would follow.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 8:19 PM

the greene ave. house looks promising-whats up fillmore? can't get the link! great block...

Posted by: anon at March 9, 2007 8:20 PM

anon 8:19, have you got contact info for the crown heights landmarking effort? i'd have no problem stepping up for so-called bedford heights, have been wanting to establish a coalition of block associations in the area for awhile now. problem is, many associations are more social (like mine on greene ave btw bedford & nostrand) than political. nothing wrong with block parties and trips to atlantic city, mind you, but something to stop the spate of cinderblock & plywood specials would be a fresh approach.

Posted by: greene ave guy at March 9, 2007 9:32 PM

This is an excellent starting point.

http://www.crownheightsnorth.com/

Also contact the Landmarks Preservation Commission and get specific information on how to file a petition for historic designation and protection.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/html/home/home.shtml

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 10:02 PM

Posted by: Anonymous at March 9, 2007 7:41 PM

the wine shop has been open for months. very nice couple who LOVES their vino.

Posted by: apk at March 9, 2007 10:41 PM

Re: landmarking Western parts of Bed-Stuy: I live on Hancock between Marcy & Tompkins and I know our block association president has had some talks with the adjacent block association about landmarking at least this stretch of Hancock. I believe they have contacted the LPC. Getting many more block associations involved is a great idea. If you contact Bridge St. Development Corp. (over at Nostrand & Jefferson) they can put you in touch with our block association and probably others too...

Posted by: anonymous at March 9, 2007 10:58 PM

Regarding renaming BS, what if we just tapped into history and separated out Bedford and Stuyvesant? I'm not sure what the dividing line was, but I would guess it would be around Marcus Garvey. Then you could have a Bedford North and South and a Stuyvesant North and South. The question would be what is the north and south dividing line.

BS so needs better reference points, but it would pain me to have it become TriBeCa-like. Let's respect the history, not be goofy, and have it be really useful.

Posted by: tinarina at March 9, 2007 11:01 PM

There is a troll in the house. Half of the anonymous Bed-Stuy comments have been taken from a Brooklynian.com thread that was initiated Feb. 2nd.

http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32879

Posted by: The Changeling at March 10, 2007 8:06 AM

A&H used to have the Fiske Terrace house... It was listed for a while, but the link to the description was down. Not sure if it's still with them as well...

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 8:39 AM

PLG is hot. I would have kill for a house on the park. PLG is a great hood and will be more like park slope in 10 years max.

Posted by: lex at March 10, 2007 10:08 AM

You people insisting on splitting up Bed-Stuy into North and South are so transparently rascist it's not even funny...
WTF is this supposed to mean: "North and South Bed-Stuy are completely two different communities. Southern Bed-Stuy is comprised of beautiful brownstone blocks that are well cared for by longstanding middle-class black families with a deep sense of community pride, tradition, culture and history. I went to an Ivy League school and the vast majority of black students from Brooklyn came from this part of Bed-Stuy. In time the northern part of the nabe may indeed catch up but for now it's two entirely separate worlds with the only commonality being that black people are in the majority in both sections. With that being said, I would concur with Chris Rock that "not all black folks are alike....""

What is that supposed to mean? I'm a black person born and raised in Bed-Stuy all of my life and went to an Ivy-League School, and I now work at a large majority white corporate firm. Note that I'm from what you would call the northern part of Bed-Stuy. The one thing that I can tell you is that for the most part all white people are alike when it comes to their assessments of Black people. Honestly, all you people want to do is come into the neighborhood and change it to accomodate your lifestyle and the way that you think it SHOULD be instead of coming in and enjoying it for what it is. I wish that all the "middle class black families" would refuse to sell their homes to all of you people so that we don't have you coming into the neighborhood, trying to change it. First it's the name that's changed, then all of its history and character. I wish you people would go back to wherever you were before you came in to my neighborhood!

Posted by: sick and tired of reading this nonsense at March 10, 2007 10:18 AM

Did you call the D.O.H. and register a complaint? If you don't say anything nothing will change.

A few friends and I got sick from a manhattan pizzeria last month. We called 311 and the DOH and it got inspected.

Posted by: Joe at March 10, 2007 10:35 AM

What are the signs of food poisoning? I think I got it from some ground beef I purchased at Back to the Land. The meat tasted like POO and then I was sick for 24 hours with violent diarrhea and halucinations.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 10:38 AM

Lex, you may think that PLG is hot, but that mean that others should not be allowed to voice a contrary opinion? Are you the one who is flooding this thread with posts from other blogs in order to silence the critics of PLG? If it is you, please stop it.

Posted by: Katie at March 10, 2007 10:48 AM

Could this be a broker who sells properties in PLG? He doesn't want any criticism of the nabe or his properties to see the light of day, so he sabotages every thread on Brownstoner that includes some criticism? This seems *far* more plausible to me than any of the far out theories I've heard thus far. I think we've finally got a fix on this jerk!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 10:57 AM

And yet, 10:48, it's okay to defend Bed Stuy but not PLG. Nobody here jumps all over people defending other neighborhoods like what is done regularly to those defending PLG. The proof of it is right here in this thread.

I live in PLG and am happy to provide a critique. How's this - there's a lack of amenities, and the council persons for PLG have been ineffective historically. Also, some of the local residents' compulsion to play loud music in their cars and the need to make everyone else hear it too, is ridiculous.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 11:11 AM

My husband and I have been searching for a 2+ bedrooms apartment for 4 people (2 adults and 2 children) and have had the hardest time. I'm getting desperate and need HELP. I've even started viewing apartments in Jersey. Hopefully someone out there has some strong leads for us where we dont have to move in with anything but the rent and security- not $4000, please.
Our budget is $1200 a month.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 11:13 AM

I'm not terribly familiar with the 11238 neighborhoods but a 2BR for $1200 is going to be hard to find, isn't it?

Also, you should post this on the P-Heights board, no?

FG/CH/B-S is more 11205, 11206, and 11221, if I'm not mistaken

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 11:14 AM

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you aren't going to find a 2BR apartment in Fort Greene for $1200. A studio costs $1300 these days. You're going to be extremely lucky to find a 2BR for $1200 anywhere near Fort Greene or Clinton Hill.

11238 is part of FG (I used to live on the block of Greene between Fulton and Cumberland and it's 11238 but now I'm in 11205).

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 11:15 AM

11238 is Clinton Hill not Fort Greene. I live on Washington between Greene and Lafayette. By the way, Clinton Hill has very few two bedroom apartments. You should probably expect to pay $1500-$2000 in this area.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 11:15 AM

To anonymous 11:13:

An apt of the size you'd need will probably set you back 2000 a month in FG, 1600 to 1800 in Clinton Hill / prospect heights depending on where you're looking and 1600 in Bedstuy / Crown Heights.

Unfortunately I don't think you'll be able to get anything for $1200 anywhere near these neighborhoods.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 2:27 PM

To anonymous 11:13:

Try further out on the Q Train. Cortelyou Road stop. Lots of apartment buildings and a main street with businesses poised and hoping for the arrival of people who can add character.

You'll find apartments there in your price range.

Posted by: stockholder at March 10, 2007 2:44 PM

well, to add to last post...there are SOME places around Ditmas Park (Cortelyou stop) in that price range but not many. Check here...

http://www.brooklynhearth.com/listings.php?type=Rental

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 3:34 PM

To continue helping the family searching for an apartment, I'd suggest Kensington and the Ocean Parkway corridor. Also, just walk around Ditmas Park, go as far south as Avenue H/I/J (gets kinda Jewish around J), and talk to people in the big apartment buildings. There are lots of places below Cortelyou, from Stratford to E.18th. I know of plenty of young professionals moving into apartments around there for around $800//month, rent stabilized. And there always seem to be craigslist listings for Kensington/Ocean Parkway in your price range.

Posted by: Anon at March 10, 2007 5:17 PM

for the person below..try kensington I pay only 1000 for a nice 1 bedroom
Ocean parkway..Love it

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 11:13 AM

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 5:19 PM

it me 5:19 wow I just noticed the poster above me its true..KENSINGTON IS THE BEST..my place is rent stabilized, I always feel safe here (fingers crossed) and it has a small town vibe.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 5:23 PM

Stockholder Revolt @3:12 PM
"Fiske Terrace is on the east side of the Q-train tracks and its eastern border is Ocean Avenue. North and south are Foster and H."

Actually, Fiske Terrace is between Glenwood Road and the LIRR tracks between Avenues H and I. Between Foster and Glenwood is called Midwood Park. The reason for all the micronabes in Flatbush is interesting to me, but would probably bore most readers to tears.

Posted by: BrooklynJon at March 10, 2007 5:46 PM

Thanks for the corrections all -- sorry -- I spaced out -- having a crazy week. Parkside between Bedford and Flatbush has some of the most beautiful homes in the area -- the fact that they're not landmarked is a crime. And I am terrified of what mostrosity is going to be built on the south west corner of Parkside and Bedford. And the squatter building is owned by the Prince Lefferts hotel group -- see previous posts here and on ATP.

Posted by: babs at March 10, 2007 7:56 PM

Babs,

FWIW, even a Fedders building would be better than the gas station that used to be on the SW corner of Bedford & Parkside. That was REALLY ugly (although, I must say a few of the monstrosities Mr. B. has highlighted in other neighborhoods have been even worse).

Posted by: Bob Marvin at March 10, 2007 8:34 PM

I stated precisely what i was thinking and worded it just the way I intended..just like the poster who's statement I questioned....when I am not sure where someone is coming from I ask them..its goes along way in dispelling potential misunderstandings

lol...one day i'm charged with being racist...the other I'm charged with implying someone is racist...aye sah..i think you all need to get a refund on those mind reading classes

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 9:07 PM

I went to the open house last week in PLG of Ocean Ave and it was crazy. Their were over 100 people & people putting bids in on the spot. I can't afford the house but it seemed amazing. I have never read so much debate about PLG. I live in crown heights on dean & nostrand but was thinking of moving to PLG. Is PLG more dangerous than bed stuy or crown heights. I am just your average white dude out of college, looking to find an affordable place to live & maybe buy one day. My instinct with PLG being so close to park slope is that I will soon be priced out even more. That house on Ocean was amazing, to live on the park, even on ocean ave seems like adream come true.

Posted by: dan at March 10, 2007 9:16 PM

Dan,

You ask, "Is PLG more dangerous than bed stuy or crown heights?" Certainly not, although our tr*l friend will, no doubt, jump on me for saying so. Don't take my word for it though--I'd suggest phoning either of two officers in the 71st Pct; P.O. Joe Johnson, the Crime Prevention Officer (718. 735.0528) or P.O. Vinnie Martinos, the Community Affairs Officer (735.0527). You'll probably have to leave a message, but they should be good about getting back to you.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 9:43 PM

Anon.9:43 was me--I forgot to sign in.

BTW, I heard today (@ K-Dog) that the Ocean Ave. house has already been sold.

Posted by: Bob Marvin at March 10, 2007 9:47 PM

FYI, Ocean Ave. had 11 bids and they accepted an offer way over asking...

Posted by: Anonymous at March 10, 2007 9:59 PM

WOW! I am not surprised about 11 bids. It was a sweet house. I was shocked it was less than a million.No wonder there were 11 bids. It seems like it was worth more, to have a house on the park...

Posted by: dan at March 10, 2007 10:33 PM

I just happened by the Greene Ave. House. It needs a TON-O-Work. That said, it has the potential to be an amazing house. The Ceilings are incredibly high.(no less than 15 feet) and it is a solid 20X45 Building... But there was no attempt in making this place presentable. i.e. the DEAD MOUSE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR!!!!

I was sort of skeeved out. The agent wasn't that much more presentable either. The block is decent, not great. But I think the price is a tad bit too high. The owner was on the phone with the broker and reduced the price right on the spot to $999K
Go figure.

Posted by: NewStoner at March 10, 2007 11:35 PM

Funny to see a push on this board by some to rename Bed-Stuy. It appears that as the neighborhood has become more "gentrified" and the previous residents are being increasingly priced out that the area's name is no longer "appropriate." ...News Flash Bed- Stuy by any other name is still Bed-Stuy in all its glorious diversity, accept it.

Posted by: Anon at March 11, 2007 12:06 AM

i'm moving from my place in prospect heights over to ft. greene. does anyone live in the clermont armory? i just put down a security deposit this morning. it seems like a great place. i had a couple questions if anyone be so kind as to help:

1) is there a good primer on the area? i.e., restaurants, grocery stores, dry cleaners, etc.

2) what's the parking situation like? easy/hard to find spots? streets to avoid?

3) best route to wall st? hopstop says take B54 to Hoyt Street - Fulton Mall and then to take the 2, 3.

any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 12, 2007 10:04 AM

the point is that the neighborhood is too large and diverse to go under one name. decatur @ stuyvesant has little in common with kosciusko and bedford. so if i say i live in bed-stuy what does that mean? am i near pratt or restoration or bushwick?

what is this tompkins park north i saw on property shark?

Posted by: jake at March 12, 2007 10:06 AM

the Madiba posts are from brooklynian as well

Posted by: Anonymous at March 12, 2007 10:18 AM

10:04, I work on Wall Street also and depending on what train you are near (since I am not sure where the armory is) most all of them come here -

I have used the C train to Broadway-Nassau and get out at the John Street exit (there is one for Nassau Street and one for William Street) and if your building is like mine and has a back exit (on Pine Street that is) you are only 2 blocks away. Just be prepared - the C train does not come as quickly as the A train. There is probably 1 C train very 15 minutes at rush hour.

You can also transfer at the Broadway Nassau station to the 2 train pretty easily and take that one more stop to wall Street, same with the Z, J or M train to Broad Street (which would leave you on the corner of Broad and Wall). I work closer to Broadway so I can also take the N or R to Rector Street.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 12, 2007 10:46 AM

Jake...your assertion that Bed-Stuy is to large is elitist at best. The reisdents of Bed-Stuy have never had a problem with its size in the past and they don't have a problem now. There has always been pride in stating you were from Bed-Stuy. The Push for breakingit into North, South, etc reaks of underlying racisim whether you realize it or not.

And please don't think I am picking on you or am against some redevelopment in the neighborhood. But lets be honest here. Prior to the ridiculous price surges in the Slopes, CG, BH, FG and now Clinton Hills most pepople did not know or care about the areas architecture, services, safety,etc... until now. And now that the area has been discovered there is a push to define (read fragment) it because it now perceived as too large. Sorry I just don't buy the size argument that has been put forth.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 12, 2007 12:04 PM

Jake...your assertion that Bed-Stuy is too large is elitist at best. The residents of Bed-Stuy have never had a problem with its size in the past and they don't have a problem now. There has always been pride in stating you were from Bed-Stuy. The Push for breaking it into North, South, etc reeks of underlying racism whether you realize it or not.

And please don't think I am picking on you or am against some redevelopment in the neighborhood. But let’s be honest here. Prior to the ridiculous price surges in the Slopes, CG, BH, FG and now Clinton Hills most people did not know or care about the areas architecture, services, safety, etc... until now. And now that the area has been "discovered" there is a push to define (read fragment) it because it’s now perceived by newer residents as too large. Sorry I just don't buy the whole size argument that has been put forth. Despite this I'm sure that realtors such as Corcoran will advance the renaming concept in order to make the area more palatable for a changing demographic.

Posted by: Anon at March 12, 2007 12:18 PM

The G is totally the way to go. It's not far from you and it runs frequently - - - during rush hour. Anyway, take it to Hoyt-Schermerhorn (sp?) and cross the platform for the A/C to Broadway-Nassau.

Another alternative you should consider is riding your bike. It's a leisurely 30 minutes from there to Wall St., there's a good rack on the SE corner of Chase Plaza and your choice of gyms around there you can join for their showers. I do this weather permitting and it's a great way to bookend your day in cubeland.

Posted by: Stu at March 12, 2007 1:14 PM

Anon 12:18/12:04,

I don't think you are picking on me. We are having a dialogue--that's all.

I disagree that Bed-Stuy has always equalled pride. Instead, I'd argue that after the deindustrailzation, urban unrest and white flight that affected certain parts of Bed-Stuy, there was shame associated with living in Bed-Stuy. But this is NOT true for the sections that maintained its beauty and hence stability. Who had pride living on Lexington or Quincy and Nostrand in 1986? Folks called Classon to Nostrand "Crack-Stuy." It was a horrible, violent time in the neighborhood. Many middle class African Americans left. Crack ruled for many years.

Yet, this was not true for people living in Stuy-Heights (See the differentiation in name?) This part of Bed-Stuy remained more calm, not perfect but more stable as the middle class remained to fight for their precious and gorgeous brownstones.

Closer to Clinton Hill and Pratt (the aforementioned Crack Stuy) things have become much much better. The housing stock is not as grand as Stuy Heights and its proximity to Clinton Hill is a good thing that should be reflected in a new name. Basically, whether you acknowledge this or not, there is Stuy-Heights and then the generic "Rest of Bed-Stuy" with its traces of a very very bad time. The "other" considered "lesser" parts of Bed-Stuy could rally around a smaller sections. With a more distinct boundaries, with signs designating the distintions, these communities could say, yes, we were once in terrible condition but we are rallying and coming back. And we value all of our past including the white people who are returning, Yes, returning. This part of Bed-Stuy needs class diversity and commerce. It needs a concept--an idea to bring this community together.

Small example. For years, the corner of Franklin and Greene had a garbage strewn huge lot. Then, energetic young whites came in a created a garden. The people who had previously lived there had been so beaten down by the drug culture, chaos, and fear--and I'm talking about the black middle and working class who remained--that they had never done that. New Ideas. New Energy. New Capital. New Name.

Posted by: Jake at March 12, 2007 1:28 PM

He's right you know they are returning to reclaim these homes at a rapid rate and the "Projects" are exactly what they are a failed goverenment project. They will be shut down and condoed at some point during our life time. So count your chips and hold on to your cornices.

Posted by: tarrot at March 12, 2007 2:19 PM

here is a map of the manor.
http://www.leffertsmanor.org/prospect_lefferts_gardens.pdf

Posted by: Hakim Edwards at March 12, 2007 7:58 PM

for some reason i don't think we are on the same page.

Posted by: tarrot at March 12, 2007 9:02 PM

tarrot,

for some reason i don't think we are on the same page.

Posted by: jake at March 12, 2007 9:03 PM

Brownstoner, I didn't realize you had to work this hard to keep your advertisers happy. Damn.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 13, 2007 9:31 AM

I was in the NOVO site on 4th Avenue and 5th Street this past weekend and aside from the fact that the rooms looked so small,the master baths and closets aren't wide enough for handicapped users. Isn't this against code ?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 13, 2007 2:58 PM

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