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March 14, 2007
Co-op of the Day: Northside Old School

How refreshing to see an apartment for sale in Williamsburg that wasn't built in the last three years! This place won't appeal to the same market that the new developments in the hood will, but perhaps that's an advantage. While the building's facade won't win any charm contests, we think the 800-square-foot apartment itself has quite a bit of character in a flea-market-chic kinda way. The old floors, high ceilings and moldings around the windows are working for us. As a kicker, the apartment has private roof rights and comes with plans for a 300-square-foot addition. Pretty cool. What do you think about the $489,000 asking price? (The building at left in the new photo is one reader's best guess of building's true identity: 158 Grand Street.)
Northside Co-op [Aptsandlofts] GMAP
Absolutely Fantastic 1.5 BR [Craigslist]
Exterior photo by Gregg Snodgrass for Property Shark.
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is that the one between N7th and N8th where last year the owner did some godawful ill-advised attempt at changing one of the top floor windows, ripping out half the wall around it and then stopping ofr about 6 months leaving a big gap it to puzzle the hipsters?
Anyone know what I'm talking about? I'm guessing that leafy pic was taken before all that happened.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 14, 2007 10:37 AM
interesting. no idea. anyone close enough to take a current photo of the facade?
Posted by: brownstoner at March 14, 2007 10:40 AM
171 bedford ave is the address of the aptsandlofts office, not of the coop.
based on the roof view, it looks like it may be on grand st.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 14, 2007 10:48 AM
The roof view is definitely Grand Street. Based on the roof view, it looks like it is 158 Grand (two doors in from Bedford (between the new building and the larger tenement building)).
The building shown in the photo above is Bedford, definitely not on Grand - I guess Brownstoner pulled it from PShark (the exterior photo does not show up on the Craigslist or Apts&Lofts ad).
Posted by: Halden at March 14, 2007 11:08 AM
More old school williamsburg!
112 Bedford Ave (between N 10th and 11th) 1BR coop $399K
Listed with corcoran ID 946149
www.corcoran.com
http://corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=946149
Posted by: brktwo at March 14, 2007 12:36 PM
these places seem like such bargains compared to the overprices soulless cookie-cutter "luxury" condos all over northside. And by luxury they mean "has front door and windows".
Posted by: Anonymous at March 14, 2007 1:18 PM
The left building in the photo is in fact the building in question. I viewed this coop a couple of months ago and completely agree with post. Very charming, has country-house vibe to it with old fashioned deep sink, distinctive white stained flooring, great furniture and bookcase. Difficult room layout makes for one really nice room with some darker interior space.
The potential addition that the owner mentioned to me does not seem viable. It builds into part of the common hallway of the building, which technically comes with the apartment. This would substantially change the hallway and may require approval of neighbors
The facade of the building is awful -- "pebbled wall" -- but the coop is indeed really charming. In a non-broker sense of the word.
Posted by: James Boike at March 14, 2007 2:00 PM
The left building in the photo is in fact the building in question. I viewed this coop a couple of months ago and completely agree with post. Very charming, has country-house vibe to it with old fashioned deep sink, distinctive white stained flooring, great furniture and bookcase. Difficult room layout makes for one really nice room with some darker interior space.
The potential addition that the owner mentioned to me does not seem viable. It builds into part of the common hallway of the building, which technically comes with the apartment. This would substantially change the hallway and may require approval of neighbors
The facade of the building is awful -- "pebbled wall" -- but the coop is indeed really charming. In a non-broker sense of the word.
The potential addition that the owner mentioned to me does not seem viable. It builds into part of the common hallway of the building, which technically comes with the apartment. This would substantially change the hallway and may require approval of neighbors
The facade of the building is awful -- "pebbled wall" -- but the coop is indeed really charming. In a non-broker sense of the word.
Posted by: James Boike at March 14, 2007 2:00 PM
Its actually a very nice looking building, except for the pebbled first floor (former storefront, I'd guess). James is right, that's kind of atrocious.
It also looks (from the outside) as though it has large windows and ample floor heights.
Posted by: Halden at March 14, 2007 3:18 PM
a real new york apartment! price is a little high, though...
Posted by: pfa at March 14, 2007 6:31 PM
sez right in the craigs' list ad that it's on grand street. it's a tenement apt on grand street.
absolutely stunning, eh? it's a typical tenement dump, jacko. i would know; i've lived in a ton of 'em over the years.
so, now a typical tenement floor-through is "loft-like", is it?
as to the apts and lofts ad:
MAGNIFICENT! (it's a tenement).
IDEAL LAYOUT (it's a tenement).
ONE LARGE SUNNY BEDROOM, NORTH FACING
(nothing north facing on grand is sunny).
TWO ENTRANCES (uh, yeah, it's a tenement).
ORIGINAL IN-WALL IRONING BOARD (it's a tenement).
notice no mention of the bathroom? (it's a tenement).
COMPLETELY UNIQUE.
uh, no. in this neighborhood, most of the buildings you set yer peepers on are just as "completely unique".
what a load of horseshit.
my favorite word in the ad is MAGNIFICENT. (not to decry GORGEOUS, CHARMING, BEAUTIFUL, GREAT, or BRAZILIAN SLATE, of course.)
BTW, it's not a condo. it's a co-op, or, in this case, more specifically, a coop.
there's one born every minute, folks.
every minute.
Posted by: Suzy at March 14, 2007 10:11 PM
let me clarify. 10% down and 6% mortgage gets you this place for 3,200/month, assuming a paltry $100/month co-op charge, excluding taxes. i have the exact same apt for $850. if my landlord were to offer my apt to me for $489 i wouldn't take it, and i live on north 7th and driggs.
my apt, BTW, is every bit as magnificent, charming, beautiful, and great, as is the one in question. (it's a tenement.)
it's even got 2 entrances!
the present owner (or previous owner) did a lot of nice things to the apt. still, the washer/dryer is 4 flights down. it's probable that the co-op does not allow tenants to have their own washing machine, as the water that is drained from a washing machine will overwhelm the ancient pipes.
800 SF leaves a 12.5 foot hallway, though the hallway is undoubtedly only 10' wide. that means that the outer structure is accounted for, and the apt. is probably, indeed, 800SF. this is based on the building at 25'x65'.
that leaves a 35' patch of yard. who has access? not this apt, or the writer of flowery prose would had compared it the grand fucking canyon.
so, a railroad apt in a creaky old building, requiring the owner to be beholden to the (very small) co-op, with no balcony or garden access, 4 flights down to ancient basement to use the "facilities", no mention of a proper bathroom (again, the writer would have referred to it as 'spa-like', if only given a reason!) with no deliniation between rooms, is worth half-a-million bucks (remember the co-op charge and taxes).
no. no no no no no. finally, it's located in an area full of bars, with an eight block treck to the subway, no elevator, and a lot of hostile southsiders to smile at each and every day of the mortgage holder's life.
folks, it's not a good bet "for the young family". i can't opine whether or not it's a good bet for "at home nine-to-fivers", as i can't imagine what one of those might be. someone who works 9-5, but has a doppleganger who stays at home and does the laundry? go figure.
$489 will get you a whole lot more in this hood. try living the boho-chic way for awhile, if you haven't had the pleasure thus far, WHILE PAYING OUT THE WHAZOO for it, and see how tired you get, and how fast.
sheesh. g'night. thanks, i'll be here all the week. try the fish.
Posted by: Suzy at March 14, 2007 10:47 PM
"It has a thoroughly unique sensibility .."
did you just land on this planet from mars? THERE'S A MILLION OF 'EM. they all look like that.
unless, of course, you're a troll hoping to get an outrageous amount of money for a brooken down dump.
FYI, brownstoner did not say that he was "in love with it".
Posted by: Suzy at March 14, 2007 10:51 PM
just one more thing, i can't help myself - "ORIGINAL PICKLED-PINE FLOORS"?
help me, jesus.
that's enough. will turn my attentions back to picking trades tomorrow - trade LEND and CFC? sell gold on the yen drop?
STOP LISTENING TO IDIOTIC DRIVEL?
if you want bang for the buck in this hood, buy on the park or on the waterfront. otherwise, open the window, turn the fan to exhaust, hold your money in your open palm in front of said fan, and chant "goodbye money, goodbye money, goodbye money". oh, yeah, remember to click your heels together and say "there's no place like home. 3x, like it sez in the instruction manual.
Posted by: Suzy at March 14, 2007 11:00 PM
hello! 112 Bedford on corcoran is the same cute if tenament style apartment... better location on the northside and thats $399K.
Posted by: acsmith at March 15, 2007 7:19 AM
suzy, you may have such an aprtment on N7 and drigss for under a grand, but if you moved out and tried to move back in right now the rent would be 2000. You've got a rent stabilized bargain.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 8:17 AM
Um yeah a one bedroom in Williamsburg is hard to find for $850. That size at that price is very atypical.
I actually liked this place before I read the previous posts. Yikes! Good calls...
Posted by: BZoo at March 15, 2007 8:32 AM
Nicolo,
What do you mean by inadequate flooring? Is this because the pine is not pickled?
It seems with the $85K savings you could pickle, ferment, infuse, or even refinish the floors.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:59 AM
Suzy, you win.
It's when people start talking about railroad apartments as spacious compared to new construction that you have to start wondering what the hell anyone is paying for in this market.
Posted by: Heather M at March 15, 2007 11:21 PM

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