House of the Day: 1441 Dean Street

The current owner of 1441 Dean Street paid just $626,000 when he bought the three-story, two-family house last June. Since then, he's clearly done a lot of cosmetic work, polying the heck out of the floors and making the gorgeous wood paneling look its best. It's unclear what else he did nothing that required a DOB permit, that's for sure. Given that the house falls outside the proposed Crown Heights North Historic District and is only three stories, the asking price of $849,000 feels a tad aggressive. We also wonder whether those floors might be a little too glossy in person. Waddya think?
1441 Dean Street [Corcoran] GMAP P*Shark
42 Comments
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 12:17 PM
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 12:28 PM
I think that the beard is throwing you off!
House looks neat....
By dt on February 14, 2007 12:30 PM
really nice house.
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 12:37 PM
They were asking 839K a few weeks ago but bumped it up right before the open house. It's a beautiful house --but I don't know that it's worth 849K and I doubt the owner (who is doing the work himself) put anywhere near 200K worth of work into it since June.
Comps on that block sold for mid-600s. Also, the house has forced heat which I hate. So I'd want to change that. Btw, is that standard for Brownstones?
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 12:41 PM
they have 3 offers at asking
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 12:44 PM
yes, I could see this going for closer to $900k. The reno looks really nice from the pictures although without seeing the kitchen and baths it's hard to say for sure. Considering what else is out there in this price range this won't have a problem selling.
By Leroy Jenkins on February 14, 2007 12:50 PM
yes, but is good for the jews?
By putnam-denizen on February 14, 2007 12:55 PM
Leroy:
Stupid comment, and seems to be based on the fact one broker has a yamakuh on. We really don't play like that on this site. Go back to curbed.com.
By psharksux on February 14, 2007 12:57 PM
3 at asking that's great news.
Annon 12:41- Yes forced air was standard in these Brownstones. It's not as bad as you may think... you can add an AC unit to your furnace and have central cooling. Plus radiators can take up musch needed realestate space.
By Crown Heights Proud on February 14, 2007 1:07 PM
Gorgeous fretwork and detail. This is also a very pretty, nice, quiet block. I have friends nearby, and often come down this block. While price may seem high for a three story around here, I don't see them having any problem getting what they want, the pictures show an attractive house, and hopefully that proves to be so upon actual viewing and inspection. If they do have three offers, buyers seem to think price is fair.
Welcome to the neighborhood.
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 1:08 PM
i love this house but asking was out of my price range. i think i'll have to give up my dream of owning a bklyn brownstone. :(
By C-Roy on February 14, 2007 1:09 PM
I and others have asked this before but what does it matter how much the owner paid and when? Are you saying that if the owner paid $750K last June the price would be more reasonable?
In my mind price is determined by factors such as location, details & finishes, neighborhood amenities, quality of schools, etc. The house is either worth the asking price because of these things or it isn't. I just don't see how you can argue for a discount in the price of Property A vs. comparable Property B because Property A was originally purchased for less money.
What was paid by the owner and when is a nice piece of gossip (e.g. Wow, there going to make x profit in 1 year) but useless in my mind for determining if a price is fair.
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 1:09 PM
The guy with the beard is Mordy Werde. I just bought a place in Prospect Heights from him. I relocated from SF Bay Area. He was the only broker that took me serious (i'm a bit of a goof). As much as people warned me about Corcoran, I will use Mordy again.
By linusvanpelt on February 14, 2007 1:13 PM
Amen, C-Roy. House is worth the price or not. If the owner somehow got a bargain he is not obligated to pass along the savings to you.
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 1:13 PM
But if price is determined by "factors such as location, details & finishes, neighborhood amenities, quality of schools, etc" how can property A be worth 200K more in 6 months in a slow market unless a significant amount of work was put into it? Are you saying that Property A was a steal at the June 2006 price?
By C-Roy on February 14, 2007 1:15 PM
Exactly.
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 1:17 PM
ok. fair enough.
By anonymous on February 14, 2007 1:35 PM
putnam-denizen:
"Yes but is it good for the Jews" is an expression commonly used by Jewish people, it's a joke...
By Hal on February 14, 2007 1:44 PM
Nice house, and the price seems to reflect the market.
Forced hot air (aka 'scorched air') was once more common than it is today in Brownstone Brooklyn. Many houses, including mine, were converted to steam at some time in the past, for one reason or another.
It is my understanding that adding central air is not necessarily as simple as connecting a cooling unit the ductwork. The ductwork needs to be insulated for starters.
By donatella on February 14, 2007 1:50 PM
Regarding Mr. B's question about the glossy floors, I am partial to satin finishing - don't like the "bowling alley look" you are getting a lot of shine there, but it is a very pretty house. Ditto on 1:35's comment about whether it is good for the Jews -- I laughed...
By pshark sux on February 14, 2007 1:58 PM
I'm riding with C-Roy as well. In America we can pay the asking price, put in an offer or keep it moving.
The seller is actually helping the block out by selling at that price and I hope he gets more than he's asking.
By Brooklyn Boy on February 14, 2007 2:01 PM
So a 2 family on Kingston Avenue for $850k, huh? That's a 4$-$6k mortgage, maybe more. After you rent out the non-duplex, you'll be paying $3k-$5k to live in the duplex unit. NOT!
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 2:17 PM
if don't like too shiney gloss - easy enough to put another coat of poly that is satin.
I'd think forced air would be a big plus - especially benefit of adding central a/c. And one less water leak to worry about.
By C-Roy on February 14, 2007 2:21 PM
I look at is at $3K - %5K (less after taxes) to own a whole Brownstone (and a nice one at that) in a neighborhood on the rise. Good investment if you believe in BK as I do.
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 2:25 PM
Bklyn Boy, some folks can put half down and live in the whole house.
By putnam-denizen on February 14, 2007 2:32 PM
I think this discussion goes to the heart of one of the struggles about what this site is about. Some sem to want to use it sell property and pump up prices. In a negotiation I as a buyer want to know as much about the wholesale price as possible. Thus we have tons of sites which give people the price dealers pay for cars. Similarly if I am buying a house I like to know the sales prices of comparable houses and yes how much the house in question sold for last time. That allows me to judge whether or not it is a good value now. Perhaps someone got a good deal before and the price is fair despite the huge mark-up. But at least I can make an informed choice. Which is not to say that I think there is anything morally wrong about trying to get the highest price possible. After all the seller only needs one satisfied buyer (or uniformed sucker, if that proves to be the case). Of course if I were a neighbor I would want the house to be sold as soon as possible so it doesn't deteriorate (shameless plug for my forum question "How to get a neighbor to seel a vacant house.")
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 2:36 PM
Wow. I remember this place being in on the market for awhile. I was shocked it went for 629,000. That seemed low to me given the beauty of the house. The only problem to me seemed it was too deep into Crown Heights but guess I was wrong. $850,000 seems high to me but I bought in Crown Heights a year ago so it makes me proud--
By linusvanpelt on February 14, 2007 2:44 PM
Putnam-Denizen,
You can also look at the question of whether this house is worth it in reverse. The house sold last year for $626K. Some people argue that the value of the house, not counting improvements, should be about the same considering how the market has been. If that's true, you ought to be able to buy a comparable house, in the condition this house was in last year before the sale and reno, for about $626K. Can anybody find that house today?
By solamami on February 14, 2007 2:58 PM
Ask and ye shall receive: i live on this block, and have seen this house inside & out, both during and after renovations. There was no structural changes (hence no DOB permits), and it wasn't completely dilapidated state, just neglected. The bldg was formerly used as a daycare, so no domestic details were attended to. The owner has done most of the work himself, and the results are staggeringly beautiful. Both kitchens weren't totally complete during the open house, but they're tastefully done. As are the bathrooms. But I will say that this block is an isolated pocket on an urban grid, which is still on the fringe. It's improving, but baby steps.
By putnam-denizen on February 14, 2007 3:05 PM
Just to be clear, I don't know how much the house is worth. Its price will be whatever the seller and buyer agree upon. And if the buyer holds on to it for a long time, it probably be comes out in the wash. But if the jump from last sales price and current one sucks up all the conceivable equity for the next few years, it might make me less likely to buy it if I weren't sure I wanted to wait out a flat or declining market. But in any case I think the only person who would ahve an inteest in not disclosing the prior purchase price is the seller (or, and I don;t mean this as a potshot, just a reality, realtors who make their dime off imperfect information in the market place).
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 3:07 PM
i was just told by a co-broker that there's an accepted offer.
By Anonymous on February 14, 2007 4:54 PM
to putnam-denizen: I started checking out this site when I started looking for a house, thinking it would give me the info and background I would need to make an informed choice. But lately, it really seems more and more a place for brokers to amp up the buzz on a house and increase the prices. It's all fair game—but if that really is the purpose of the site, I'd be disappointed. We don't need more advertising space, even if it's stealth advertising. I'm more partial to the idea that this site is for advocating the care of the architectural heritage of brooklyn.
By donatella on February 14, 2007 5:50 PM
In response to Anon: 4:54, when I was looking for a house in 2004, it was extremely competitive and I didn't know about Brownstoner at that time. But I wonder if I would have benefited by the site to actually find a place then other than increasing my knowledge of neighborhoods and of renovation and houses in general. I was like a hunter then, trying to find places that were handled by smaller local brokers - anything to avoid the multiple bid pile on. I don't know if this site is a place to "amp up the buzz" on a place, but in a competitive situation (it looks like things are heating up now again), I would be doing what I did then which is the stealth approach, checking out all the smaller local brokers for underpriced, underexposed properties. What Brownstoner has REALLY helped me with is the renovation and maintenance of the brownstone once I bought it. I was so happy when I found Brownstoner because I got so much practical help. The beginning phases of my renovation had a tragicomic quality to it - so much drama and frustration - but things settled down and things got sorted out, thanks in large part to fellow brownstoners on Forum. I am sure that there are other purposes of this site, but to me that help has been the most valuable.
By enid on February 14, 2007 8:16 PM
I have friends who made a final and accepted [much dicking around and inspecting was done first} offer of 630 on a house very comparable to this one, but with a larger lot and backyard, betw. Franklin + Bedford. The asking price was 779. The location is closer to EP, and the block is much nicer. Good Luck to these sellers! There are so many houses for sale in CH right now, just walk around and have a look see. This is overpriced for the location, IMO...
By putnam-denizen on February 14, 2007 9:10 PM
Donatella:
I am with you. I wonder what would happen if Mr. Brownstoner declared one day a week "renovation" day or such. That would mean no spotlight on houses for sale and more focus on how to fix up or maintain what we have got.
By Crown Heights Proud on February 14, 2007 11:48 PM
That would actually be a good idea. Not just "where can I find a good (name that craftsman)?" I'm sure most of us, even those who don't do much themselves, can scare up a good story about reno heaven and hell.
By Bob999 on February 15, 2007 12:17 AM
It is obviously useful to know what a house has sold for in the past 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, whatever. Why would anybody (except the seller) argue against sharing that info?
By donatella on February 15, 2007 9:33 AM
Dear Bob, actual house price info is great. I was articulating my own approach to buying a place in a competitive marketplace - i.e. looking for places where others weren't, but certainly all info on this site of a pricing nature is very valuable.
By mcteague on February 15, 2007 9:57 PM
forced air rawks. period. quiet, balanced and inexpensive--in our b'stone, at least. everytime we visit a friend with radiators and hear the hissing i thank me lucky stahs...
By Anonymous on February 16, 2007 11:01 AM
I would never say this house isn't worth $849K, certainly without seeing it in person, but from personal experience I would advise to buyers please do take very close and nitpicky looks at mechanicals in these flipper houses. Many times the work that was done was merely cosmetic, not done with higher quality labor and materials despite what the seller might claim to have spent. If the mechanicals have not been updated in this house it's not a $849K house, it's a $949K house.
By Anonymous on February 17, 2007 11:28 AM
Anonymous at February 16, 2007 11:01 AM
I don't understand your last sentence. Please explain. Thanks!
By faithful on February 17, 2007 4:09 PM
Anon 11:01 means that it will take $100k to update the mechanicals, therefore, making the amount you're paying for the house $949k instead of $849k.
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Hey, is it my imagination or is the guy in the photo look a lot like the broker on the listing?