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January 2, 2007

Drug Dealers Taking Over New S. Slope Condo?

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A reader writes in...I live across the street from 373 15th Street. It's a newer construction building that has been finished for what seems like 2 years or longer. For some reason, the developer never got the certificate of occupancy and nobody has ever moved in. I'm wondering if you, or anyone in our community, has any information about the violations against the building - and whether those violations will be removed and units will sell. There is a lot of discussion in the neighborhood about this building as it now houses a number of loiterers and drug dealers. There was an impressive undercover drug bust there yesterday.
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I'm glad to know I have another place I can score smack in the South Slope. I've always been able to get it on Third Avenue from the prostitutes there, but it's nice to see it moving up the slope.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 10:30 AM

??? If nobody has ever moved in, how does it house drug dealers? Is the place just sitting with the door open, windows busted, etc?

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 10:52 AM

That is what NIMBYs like. Stop development.

Now this poor developer has to leave an empty building for drugdealers.

I am too sure NIMBYs are behind this some how.

Posted by: RobertDT at January 2, 2007 11:08 AM

RobertDT -- Your powers of insight are astounding and your feedback very helpful. "NIMBYs", as you call them, are for the most part, not anti-development, but rather tend to support safe work practices and building projects that at least show an ounce of respect for the context of the neighborhood (which from the photo, this building seems to do somewhat.)

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 11:37 AM

I'm sorry to hear about the bust. It would be good for Park Slope to have at least one accessible source of drugs. I'm sick of having to go to other neighborhoods every time I want a gram of coke or whatever. You'd think that, with the Park and everything, Park Slope would have more to offer in this regard.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 11:46 AM

This is just plain weird and sounds awfully suspicious to me. Drug dealers living in a new, unfinished condo/apt. next to the armory on a really nice block?

How could they get away with living there long enough to even establish their trade?

I doubt any contractor/developer of units this valuable would not be aware of drug dealers camped inside like squatters, so I'm not believing this. me thinks it's BS...

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 11:49 AM

I live down the block. I don't think the problem is that drug dealers are in the building, but the way it is designed, there are spaces behind the handicap entrances where people could hide. Someone was complaining on another forum that people were living in those spaces. I hadn't heard about the drug dealing before but I don't doubt it.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 11:56 AM

this building actually looks okay. hmm i wonder after these drug problems. they gonna lower the prices or sell to another developer for cheap!!!!

Posted by: armchair_warrior at January 2, 2007 11:57 AM

the condo building according to property sharks is
392 14th street. the alternate address is 359 15th street. all the units have been sold, the latest in august 2006.

Posted by: the_onion at January 2, 2007 12:11 PM

Well they did bust a meth factory on the upper east side a month or so ago - run by someone who was a VP at JPM so these things can happen.....

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 12:50 PM

Yeah, the VP (for CitiGroup actually, not JPM) told the cops that he couldn't get good meth in nyc like he did when he lived in seattle so he decided to just simply start cooking his own!

how nice of him to put everyone in his building in danger of a toxic explosion!

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 1:15 PM

BS?? I lived a block over a couple of years ago and there was a drug dealer renting from an absentee landlord and dealing out of his apartment. There were also squatters a few houses away (about a year earlier) in a home that was in foreclosure. We got rid of both parties, but don't be so naive as to think these things don't exist at any point in time in any neighborhood in our fine city.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 1:20 PM

Yes, I live across the street from the building too. And, like an earlier post suggested, there have been vagabonds and loiterers hanging at the front entrance of the building for some months.

I saw the bust last week. I also assumed that it was drug related since there was an undercover cop in an undercover car who assisted in the arrest after the marked police cars came up the block.

Who is the developer of this building and what are the fines that wont allow occupancy? Anybody know anything?

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 1:30 PM

Anonymous at 1:37 pm is a moron.

Posted by: anon at January 2, 2007 1:41 PM

Hey, 11:49 here. I said "me thinks this is BS" because I would find it hard to believe that dealers would be squatting/selling INDOORS in newly constructed condo units, as was implied by the OP.

Outside? of course that's believable, and i have no doubts there are many users all over the south slope who benefited from that location.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 1:50 PM

I live a block away; never seen the loiterers IN the building, but I've seen them AROUND the building plenty, to the point that I often avoid that block of 15th. So, as a concerned and interested neighbor, I'd hope people will move their chatter about the demographics of drug dealing and the like to a new board, and maybe we can get some contributions from readers who actually know what they're talking about.

Posted by: anon at January 2, 2007 2:06 PM

a similar situation occurs in 9th street between court and hamilton avenue. There is an relatively new building which has been empty for more than a year. Does anyone know the scoop?

Posted by: hola at January 2, 2007 2:35 PM

Anyone who thinks wealthy whites don't do drugs is so naive. People have no idea how much drug-taking goes on among whites. Drug users in that demographic form circles of friends totally separate from their usual, old friends, and they get very very good at living a lie and having a double-life. Do you have any friends who became oddly flakey at some point, started hanging out with a whole new crowd, and you stopped seeing them as often? That's drugs, I promise you. I've known high-level young execs and corporate attorneys who were functioning heroin and meth and painkiller users. (Which I only find out later, after observing they became very flakey and absent from their usual social circles.) The fastest growing demographic of meth users are young, white women executives. Drug users aren't always laying in the street drooling.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 2:58 PM

Sorry I am hitting this late...

As of early fall, September, the properties were at the BSA on A type-A "financial hardship" case looking for more time (or time for $$) to complete the job and get their C of O. Me thinks it also stinks of too much FAR.

The construction was going on in-and-around the rezoning of Park Slope proper in 2003 (yes, the North side of 15th). I'd guess they attempted to push the old R6 plans through under the new R6B (back then), built regardless and now exceed their FAR. "Hardship" would mean that DOB would make them chop off some floor space (yeah, right) OR like in a few sites in our area, MAKE THE DEVELOPER BUY AIR RIGHTS TO COMPENSATE.

Yes, that actually is a "solution" by DOB, rather than tearing the shit box down.

As far as all the BS NIMBY comments again, the folks we know in the area want the building to get it's C of O and get people in and vagrants/dealers out of the area...they have enough trouble as it is up the block at 406-408 15th Street and the "crack-o-ramma" and pile driver dealings. You can check it out on IMBY's website on blogspot.

That's all I know...for now ;)

Posted by: lostinbrooklyn at January 2, 2007 3:17 PM

2:58, I don't think anyone meant to deny that affluent white people use drugs. They use tons of them. The question is: which demographic group is most debilitated by drug abuse? I can guarantee you that the demographic in question is not white corporate executives.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 3:21 PM

Mr. B,

I think you have inadvertently linked the wrong property for the DOB link. (Perhaps you've provided a link to the nearby Armory instead of these new condos.)

and the link you've provided says the property is landmarked.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 3:42 PM

As a loooong time resident of the South Slope...I have seen plenty of under cover busts in the area. Undercover cop car pulls up, they jump out, pat down the suspect, and make the bust, back in the car...10 minutes tops. You can see old white junkies "sleep standing" right on Prospect Park West...these are guys who were born and raised in Windsor Terrace and the S.S.

15th Street used to be the place to strip down stolen cars or dump construction debris for years. Seeing that the Armory takes up one side of an entire block, it has always been a place for activities that have been less than perfect. The border line between Comunity Board 6 and C.B. 7 runs right down the middle of 15th street so that doesn't help either. By the way, this building went up with NO complaints from the neighbors as far as I know. The NIMBY factor does not apply at all in this case.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 5:24 PM

There was plenty of unsavory activity going on next to the Armory during the years that it was covered in scaffolding. I always walked on the other side of the street until the scaffolding came down. It amazes me that the developer of this new building thought it would be a good idea to have secluded areas in the front of the building, big enough for people to hide in. Seems kind of risky to come home to, late at night.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 5:51 PM

hey 3:31pm asshole! trust me, there are no impoverished persons of color posting on brownstoner! the ones i know of who frequent this board are paid out the wazoo and own multi-million dollar homes in brooklyn.

it kills me that bloggers on this site actually believe that poor minorities, addicts, welfare moms and the likes are actually posting on brownstoner! get a life!

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 7:37 PM

""hey 3:31pm asshole! trust me, there are no impoverished persons of color posting on brownstoner! the ones i know of who frequent this board are paid out the wazoo and own multi-million dollar homes in brooklyn.it kills me that bloggers on this site actually believe that poor minorities, addicts, welfare moms and the likes are actually posting on brownstoner! get a life!""

Anon 7:37pm I'd say you're RIGHT, considering the average price for the shittiest of brownstones.

Posted by: Ben Dover at January 2, 2007 7:54 PM

Darn it! I was getting some good stuff there cheap.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 2, 2007 8:30 PM

I actually saw people hiding back there tonight behind the handicap access elevators. I did call the police. It was very obvious.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 4, 2007 9:09 PM

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