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January 30, 2007

A Current Look at Third Place Horror Show

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Better late than never...A reader, Jim Di Liberto, answer's last Monday's call for a current photo of the 45 Third Place. In addition to expressing his disgust at the overall design, he notes that, "The yellow support in the back looks terrifyingly weak." Jim also asked for an update on the Strong Place Church. Anyone know anything?
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Seeing it in context - I want to throw up. I am all for mixing up modern/old design, and have seen several brownstones made modern that I loved but this? I just hate laziness and that's what this smacks of.

Posted by: Anon at January 30, 2007 9:41 AM

Gross.

Posted by: Waverly at January 30, 2007 9:55 AM

Seeing it up-close, it's even worse. An amazing idea executed with an eye only to square feet and cutting costs. Ironically, I'd bet the developer could have got more had the addition been even remotely attractive.

Developer saves a bundle by hiring very cheap architect (one only assumes) and the entire neighborhood has to look at this monstrosity every single day.

A visual blight.

Posted by: John at January 30, 2007 10:10 AM

It's just wrong. That yellow beam looks very fragile. I am starting to believe that change is inevitable, people need places to live ... BUT can't these developers do a better job aesthetically?

Posted by: Anonymous at January 30, 2007 10:11 AM

On the postive side, as you walk down 3rd Place from Court the look and continuity is not broken.
It is only when looking from Clinton St. that you are subjected to the horror.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 30, 2007 10:22 AM

How about Strong Place Church? Any updates?

Posted by: brownstoner at January 30, 2007 10:24 AM

Strong Place church has been totally gutted. They seem to be starting some major structural work inside, as they have been delivering lots of scaffolding and beams. But the roof is still open and it snowed inside this week! They had the kids from PS 29 paint a mural on the plywood fence enclosing the site. I will take some pictures and send them in. I think it will eventually be a nice place. Demo was hellishly noisy, but construction so far is not as bad.

Posted by: Carol Gardens at January 30, 2007 10:54 AM

looks like a fucked up version of tetris .

Posted by: eletricgreek at January 30, 2007 10:55 AM

It looks like there was zero attempt to either match the color of the historic building, or contrast the color with a complementary color. Non matching reds/oranges are some of the most jarring color combos possible. The extension is just ugly, not the least bit modern or conceptual.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 30, 2007 11:11 AM

Anonymous 11:11 am's got it right -- this isn't a modern extension, this is a developer extension. A modern extension would have some thought behind it, starting with contrasting materials. THis developer pile, on the other hand, is simply about maxing out FAR.

--an architect in Brooklyn

Posted by: Anonymous at January 30, 2007 11:14 AM

Smacks of not just laziness, but ignorance, greed and, oh the list is endless. Look at the new windows! How much did they cost, $50?

Brownstoner, couldn't you build a site in your media empire that outs all the horrible architects, developers and contractors that are involved in these projects by name and company. Not that any of them seem to have any shame... but.

Posted by: SeamusMacD at January 30, 2007 11:16 AM

ok that yellow support, does anyone who's seen it up close think it's safe? I'm scared just looking at the photo.

Posted by: anon at January 30, 2007 12:04 PM

Ok. The column in the back looks fine to me. I'm assuming that the building has a steel frame and that column supports the back corner. There are probably columns around all sides of that opening at the back of the building, but it's just a guess.

I understand that people may feel entitled to their opinions on the built environment, but pointless, ignorant and dangerous speculation about the structural integrity of buildings does nothing for the quality of architecture in this city or the readers of Brownstoner.

Posted by: Dan at January 30, 2007 12:41 PM

Hard to believe, but the photo makes the place look even better than in real life! The color of the extension and original brick clash horribly. It's hard to believe someone would want to pay good money to live there. Have there been any buyers?

Posted by: Anonymous at January 30, 2007 1:48 PM

Umm, seeing as I saw this thing get built (I live around the corner), I have no problem speculating about the structural integrety of this addition- I saw it go up and it is a steel lintel/CMU slap up job on top of junky existing foundations. Would love to see a set of signed and sealed structural drawings, but doubt they exist.

Posted by: Max at January 30, 2007 2:00 PM

"I understand that people may feel entitled to their opinions on the built environment, but pointless, ignorant and dangerous speculation about the structural integrity of buildings does nothing for the quality of architecture in this city or the readers of Brownstoner."

The perception of structural soundness is one factor of curb appeal. Even if something is structurally sound (as I'm sure this is), the perception of it being weak or shoddy is both shorthand for the shoddiness of this addition and fair game for any discussion of this place's aesthetic qualities, impact on neighborhood or ultimate resale value.

Play ball.

--an architect in Brooklyn

Posted by: Anonymous at January 30, 2007 2:02 PM

Unfortunately, this is what the market seems to want. The question is not why do developers build this sort or crap, but why do people keep on buying the apartments. If developers thought that by building well designed buildings that they could get a higher price, they would build better stuff.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 30, 2007 2:03 PM

This building has provided a kind of negative inspiration to Brownstoners, rallying our heterogenous, diverse tastes, backgrounds and whatnot to a unified "EEEwwwww, digusting...." The building you love to hate. The living lesson in what NOT to do, where NEVER to go, no matter how much goddamn FAR you have. Yuch, phooey, gross.

Posted by: donatella at January 30, 2007 3:54 PM

A developer who does an interesting design does get rewarded far greater than one who does a less nice design. Just look at the prices in DUMBO and in Williamsburg. It's all well and fine to say you might not want to live in those nabes. But the prices they are getting there are extraordinary. And the reason in part is the high end designs many (not all, of course) developers are using and the better quality materials. Also isn't there some merit in the reward of knowing you did a nice job? I don't blame architects for the end result of this, or any other, job. I place the blame squarely on developers.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 30, 2007 7:38 PM

This is not a developer but 21 year old with bad ideas. He thought he was going to make some quick money and all he made was a big mess.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 31, 2007 3:26 PM

I'd love to see an expansion made of all glass and steel, attached to a brownstone. But this is some sort-of kind-of attempt to match the color and blockiness of a brownstone with an icky yellow thing slapped on for modernity's sake.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 31, 2007 7:16 PM

I just had a hilarious vision of the person who buys the unit with access to the yellow pole, "accidentally" tripping and tossing a can of neutral color paint onto the yellow pole. "Oops!"

Posted by: Anonymous at January 31, 2007 7:19 PM

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