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December 6, 2006
MTA to Run More NoBro Trains
Beginning in '08, this will no longer be the end of the line for the G train. Photo by alwayslookaround via Flickr.
In case you missed it in our blog wrap yesterday, the MTA is expanding G and L train service, finally responding to recent population growth in Williamsburg and Greenpoint. Next spring, New York City Transit will begin running more L trains, reducing the sardine factor in each car; in 2008, the oft-maligned G will begin running south to five more Brooklyn stops, connecting the 'Point to the Slope. In the immortal words of Gawker:
"Thank fucking God, is all we have to say. The only tiny downside that we can see is that by the time these plans actually take effect (late 2007-- early 2008), we will be too old for one of the neighborhoods and still too poor for the other. Oh well."
One of our readers lamented yesterday that there's no V train service to Brooklyn. What other transit corridors do you think are underserved? Does your train really run every four minutes during peak hours?
Tuesday Blog Wrap [Brooklyn Record]
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One thing I've noticed that's been sort of glossed over (except for the Newsday article about this) is the temporary nature of the G extension. As I wrote about yesterday on my new subway blog, this extra service is in place between the G won't be able to turn around at Smith-9th during construction. (The entry's here: http://secondavesagas.wordpress.com/2006/12/05/brooklyn-g-extension-may-be-temporary/) I hope the MTA decides to keep this extra service in place though.
As for underserved areas, the Q on the weekends is an utter disaster. There's no B service and if you just miss a train, you're in for a 10-15 minute wait. I avoid that line like the plague if I have to head into Manhattan.
Posted by: Benjamin Kabak at December 6, 2006 12:28 PM
it seems they're frequently doing work at the smith-9th turnaround anyway, because i live near the F stop at church avenue and see G trains turning around there all the time. the weekend construction throughout october and november had G trains running to church ave anyway. it seems like "temporary" is a relative term in MTA lingo.
as for the Q, i frequent the beverley road stop and rarely have trouble on the weekends. it's also one of the lines with the least construction, it seems. no complaints over here.
Posted by: mike at December 6, 2006 2:37 PM
I've been saying for a while now that they should extend the G as far as they possibly can and then run the F express from Church Ave. to Jay St. Sometimes when there's construction they run the F express on that stretch, so I know there's tracks for it (and they go past the creepy hidden underground platform at Bergen St.). It wouldn't help THAT many people, but would make my trip to the Lower East Side a lot faster, and that's mostly what I'm all about.
Posted by: justin at December 6, 2006 2:38 PM
I agree with Justin: let's run the F express from Jay to Church, which I think used to be the termination of the G. Years ago, there was an electrical fire near the express (lower) track at Bergen Street that the MTA has been taking forever to fix. 2008 is, if I recall correctly, the anticipated completion date on that work. That may impact how trains are routed. Also, nothing affects "temporary" more than people using a service, so ride the g-d forsaken G train!
Posted by: Anonymous at December 6, 2006 3:03 PM
I thought I read an article awhile back in the Times that stated the G always turns around at Church and never at 9th, that's why people were asking to make the extension permanent, am I wrong on this? As far as express from Jay to Church and the F, how would you serve the other stations? A rider would transfer to an A/C at Jay go to Hoyt then transfer to a G? Uh, living on the F is already a disaster, please keep that idea to yourself.
Posted by: anon at December 6, 2006 3:52 PM
I'm glad they're finally increasing the service on the L, although I'm curious about when the construction on the L will be finished...the shuttle bus/train running in 2 sections is horrendous.
The L-G transfer is at best a nightmare during rush hour. If I'm reading correctly, it seems like they're only extending the G line, not adding trains to the line. Won't that make the already long wait for the G even longer? I take the G 5 days/week and if you miss a train at Lorimer/Metropolitan, it's usually 7-10 minutes before the next one comes. Just curious.
Posted by: Juelz at December 6, 2006 4:35 PM
It’s the V is the line that needs to be extended into Brooklyn! The F should run express from Broadway-Lafayette, and the V should continue local to Church Ave and beyond.
Why would an F rider want the G to continue from Smith and 9th to Church Ave? What purpose does it serve?
Posted by: A9-Misc at December 6, 2006 5:03 PM
Many years ago there were express F trains. (But not express all the way from Jay to Church).
Bergen St has a lower level where the express stopped.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 6, 2006 5:04 PM
3:52, sorry, too late to keep my idea of running the F as an express to myself. my earlier (3:03) post was too slap-dash. If the express track platform was viable at Bergen, the F could run Jay-Bergen-Seventh-Church and then local. Riders wanting Carroll, Smith-9th, Fourth, 15th and Fort Hamiliton would have two options, depending on what train they were already on: transfer from the A/C at Hoyt-Schermerhorm, or transfer from the F at Bergen. Yeah, there would be some stairs involved, but this scheme seems to move more people further, faster.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 6, 2006 5:06 PM
5:06, yeah it's too late, but your latest post makes more sense, a pain for me as a Carroll stop person, but does have a certain appeal for moving more people, especially if combined with a V extension. Not saying how but I've been on the lower Bergern station it is a bit creepy. If I remember it right the station can be spotted in the movie Jacob's Ladder, but the better BK subway scene is where they turn the interior of Hoyt/Schermerhorn into 96th st in the Warriors. Still wondering about the Church turnaround, I couldn't find the article on the Times website, so now I'm not sure where I read it.
Posted by: anon at December 6, 2006 5:14 PM
The C sucks. Why are there 5 E trains for every C train? Send the E to Brooklyn! It comes every 2 minutes - i'd be in heaven! You really can't trust any train to get into Manhattan on the weekends.
Posted by: Lisa at December 6, 2006 5:38 PM
Build me a light rail from Atlantic/Flatbush intersection into Red Hook, straight down Van Brundt to the waterfront and BWAC.
Manhattanites can take the water taxi to Atlantic Avenue and transfer to an Atlantic Avenue light rail to go to a Nets game.
Posted by: Dan at December 6, 2006 9:48 PM
lets put the nets stadium inside a light rail car and have the track run from times square into new jersey. that way all the jack-asses can go to their precious game and yet it's not in any of their neighborhoods. then lets increase the number of G trains and extend the track to hit every stop it was built for. then lets party all night!
Posted by: Anonymous at December 6, 2006 11:51 PM
Can't they just add 2 or 3 more cars to the G train and run it as far as it will go? Or can they at least run that No Service trash train down the track and let the most daring among us hitch a ride? Some days I would be more willing to sit atop a bag of garbage on the "trash train express" than to squeeze into the morning G. During rush hours G train riders are cheek-to-jowl and with the new buildings being thrown up in this area we're only going to see ridership increase. I was in heaven when they were running the G all the way to Coney Island.
The MTA and the DOB should be sharing information so that the MTA can plan service around population increases in neighborhoods. Service upgrades should not be provided years after they are needed. Is it so hard to look at the number of residential buildings being created and plan mass transit accordingly???
And Lisa, you're right, the E train is sooo dependable!
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