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September 27, 2006

Real Photos of Carroll Gardens Bastard

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A couple of readers kindly emailed us some fresh photos of our latest pet peeve, the abomination at 45 Third Place in Carroll Gardens. The pictures (two more of which are on the jump) speak for themselves.
Carroll Gardens "Bastardization" Hits Market [Brownstoner] GMAP
Carroll Gardens Atrocity [Brownstoner]

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Top photo by James Di Liberto; bottom two photos by Jackie Ruvolo.




Comments

wow.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 9:53 AM

Best of both worlds! Times change, get used to it. I'd much rather live in that than in the original house. It's tattered.

Most homeowners in Carroll Gardens have ABUSED their homes and they are in hideous condition. Now they want 4 million dollars for them. It's outrageous.

Posted by: Brklyn at September 27, 2006 9:54 AM

It looks like a bomb shelter fell from the sky and landed on that poor brownstone...

Or a building cancer...

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 9:55 AM

I can't believe you can say that anyone "kindly" sent you those photos - it was not kind, it was a means of visual torture! That is the worst thing I have ever seen - the renderings looked better.

Posted by: Anon at September 27, 2006 9:57 AM

I am reminded of a term from the medical literature: "engulfed by tumor"...

Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at September 27, 2006 9:59 AM

It all depends on how they cover the cinderblock which right now is hideous. With the right final execution this could be a cool building, BUT I agree as it stands, a nightmare.

This is New York architecture in the 21st Century, I say daresay this is a real threat to the City's quality of life.

Posted by: GrandPa at September 27, 2006 9:59 AM

This isn't looking so great. I'm glad they didn't chop up the original house but if you remove it from the picture, the addition alone is quite ugly. I hope in finishing the project, they have plans to integrate the two structures more appropriately. How on earth do these things get approved?

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 10:00 AM

Am keeping my fingers crossed that whatever finish goes over the concrete block will help. And they do something about the garage to help blend everything together.
It was a really cute house. Couldn't they just have found some empty lot if they wanted to build something so gross looking.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 10:02 AM

what is going on after the cinder block? presently its looks go without saying.

Posted by: anon at September 27, 2006 10:04 AM

I would rather see the original house torn down and a new one in it's place, than look at a large tumor growing out it's back.

Posted by: Rick at September 27, 2006 10:09 AM

looks like an elephant mounting a gazelle

Posted by: WT at September 27, 2006 10:14 AM

The brownstone looks afraid.

Posted by: donatella at September 27, 2006 10:18 AM

it makes me think of the alien from the movie, you know, the "facehugger."

Posted by: Jimmy Legs at September 27, 2006 10:20 AM

And they say you have to watch Discovery for wildlife pleasure

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 10:20 AM

Tumor house.

Posted by: Rascal at September 27, 2006 10:23 AM

bombshelter fell on building post is the funniest of day. especially because it is so accurate.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 11:20 AM

Please note: Most homeowners in CG have NOT abused their homes...numerous homeowners have (and it galls me), but NOT most. Most have respected their homes for what they are and have maintained them beautifully, and that's what makes CG most attractive to newbies. I'm a life-long, 50-yr resident of CG, and that Third Place addition is the greatest abuse I've seen in the entire neighborhood.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 11:29 AM

gee i kind of like it.
it's an architectural mashup.

Posted by: kitten at September 27, 2006 11:50 AM

"Best of both worlds! Times change, get used to it. I'd much rather live in that than in the original house. It's tattered.

Most homeowners in Carroll Gardens have ABUSED their homes and they are in hideous condition. Now they want 4 million dollars for them. It's outrageous."

Sounds like a broker/owner trying to unload these units. But you cannot argue with ugly. There are many, many ways to make old and new coexist, such that they complement each other, contrast to each other, enliven each other (whatever you want). This, however, isn't not about old versus new -- it's about clumsy massing. When you compare the fine grain of the existing house with its max-out-the-FAR addition, you see the real "design" here: lazy developer planning meant to squeeze the last dollar out. As if the only thing that matters is raw square footage.

--an architect in Brooklyn

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 12:03 PM

Looks like a poor attempt at copying Winka Dubbledam's Greenwich street project. Her building also wraps around an older building to max FAR but what makes it work is that her addition is all glass so you have the contrast of modern and old, light material wrapped around the older heavier material.
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/GV/GV-060.htm

Posted by: samandjoeshow at September 27, 2006 12:23 PM

Wait until they cover the cinder block with aluminum siding...then we will have gone full circle.

Posted by: IMBY at September 27, 2006 12:26 PM

You're right samandjoeshow- and I'm not a big fan of that sort of thing, but it works they way the Bklyn Museum grand Staircase works.

I thought the CG building looks like a T. Rex mounting a woolley mammoth. Impossible then, impossible now.

Posted by: jennyanne at September 27, 2006 12:30 PM

A perfect example of appropriately combining modern and old exteriors exist on the corner of South Portland and Hanson in Fort Greene. Stoner, you know the house on talking about, right? That building rocks!

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 12:43 PM

how sad

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 12:48 PM

This THING should be taken down. What a disaster!!

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 1:20 PM

"It looks like a bomb shelter fell from the sky and landed on that poor brownstone."
"engulfed by tumor"
"looks like an elephant mounting a gazelle"

agglomeration+abomination=
agglomination! how's that for a "mashup?"

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 1:20 PM

Eeeeehhh, it looks like the new construction is trying to swallow the old building. I can not imagine any cladding of the block that would redeem this hideous perversion.

Posted by: Arsenic and Old Lace at September 27, 2006 2:24 PM

‘Everything Now Is Negotiated Downward’

A housing report from the New York Sun. “Veteran real estate broker Deanne Esses said eight people in her Upper East Side office on Madison Avenue are leaving their jobs for alternative careers. Those eight represent 20% of the office’s sales staff.”

“That’s only the beginning. Ms. Esses said she thinks more New York City brokers will be leaving the scene. ‘Business here is just not quiet; it has dropped dead over the past few weeks,’ she said. ‘At the same time, there’s a flood of inventory on the market. We run open houses, we run advertisements, but nothing works. There are no buyers, and without buyers, there are no sales.’”

“Ms. Esses made these noteworthy observations: Everything now is negotiated downward from the initial asking price, by a minimum of 5% to 7%. Prices are down at least 10% from a year ago on practically everything.”

“The Upper West Side is moving very slowly. The Hamptons have turned especially soft. ‘We’re in a transition stage where sellers will have to come down in price, and right now it’s a waiting game to see what the buyer will do,’ Ms. Esses said. ‘Since there’s only one Manhattan, I don’t see a crash. But who knows?’”

“Real estate appraiser Jonathan Miller also cites a sharply slowing trend, with actual sales activity flat. There’s a big gap between buyers and the sellers, and more realism will be required by the sellers, he said. His reasoning: swelling inventories, especially condominiums.”

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 3:22 PM

oh come on now, folks. maybe the owner is in dire straits and was FORCED to do this. like, maybe s/he suddenly accidentally adopted 3 russian orphans who felt totally lost and disoriented in a charming, quaint old building and cried themselves to sleep every night until the owner promised them soviet-style cinderblock accomodations. and they each insisted on having a whole floor to themselves. and two of them insisted on balconies. you never know.

Posted by: sylvia at September 27, 2006 4:05 PM

tetris!

Posted by: Anonymous at September 27, 2006 4:24 PM

Makes we wish I had two giant thumbs in order to SQUEEZE that sucker off the wall like the festering pimple it resembles.

Posted by: Desk Sgt. at September 27, 2006 8:27 PM

Looks kinda like a brownstone gettin' humped doggy-style by another building.
I'm talkin' DEEP penetration too.

Posted by: Ben Dover at September 27, 2006 8:32 PM

Looks kinda like a brownstone gettin' humped doggy-style by another building.
I'm talkin' DEEP penetration too.

Posted by: Ben Dover at September 27, 2006 8:33 PM

Maybe they'll go all "Frank Gehry" and put some twisted and dented sheet metal over the cinderblocks and trick it out, all "Bilbao"-istic.

Got to love that "Deconstructivism"
(see "wikipedia" for definition)

Or

Maybe Christo will wrap it in Saffron coloured tarps, "Reichstag"- style

Posted by: Anonymous at September 28, 2006 1:30 AM

Ben Dover
you have got to see "Jackass 2".

And then think of the deep,underlying psychological implications, of some of the skits and compare to your above message.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 28, 2006 1:33 AM

I think it needs gargoyles.

Posted by: donatella at September 28, 2006 9:56 AM

I like it. The developer, who owns a corner lot in a pricy nabe is compromising by NOT bulldozing the old house and putting up some nondescript fedders structure. He's trying to save the old and, since he's a businessman, maximize the FAR potential.

I wish more developers would be this sensitive and respectful to the neighborhood. The windows and balconies are especially appealing and as others said, much depend on what goes over that cinderblock, hopefully a red brick veneer?

I wonder though about the next door neighber--he's going to get even less light now than he did when he just had to put up with those garages.

Posted by: carolyn at September 28, 2006 9:56 AM

"I'm a life-long, 50-yr resident of CG, and that Third Place addition is the greatest abuse I've seen in the entire neighborhood."

Carroll Gardens is the poster child for owner neglect and abuse, yet they now resent the people who now push their net worths into the stratosphere. Insane.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 28, 2006 5:59 PM

That's great. I walk past there all the time and wonder at the simple ingenuity and creative use of space. I am all for progress that doesn't destroy the past.

Posted by: Taksa at October 4, 2006 8:05 AM

Best that can be said is that they left the original house largely intact. Hopefully a more enlightened individual will someday remove the hideous carbuncle.

Posted by: da at October 5, 2006 11:07 PM

As far as I'm concerned this isn't progress this is greed pure and simple. I'm very suprised that residents aren't fighting harder for their neighborhood. Often times communities take their history for granted in the name of progress and the need for more housing. Destroying the granduer and history of these magnificent buildings is not the answer.


Di*

http://www.achp.gov/citizensguide.html

Posted by: Diana4Dali at September 2, 2008 4:26 PM

Taksa if that isn't destroying the past..... Are you blind?

Posted by: Diana4Dali at September 2, 2008 4:35 PM

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