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September 15, 2006
Droolworthy Mantelpiece at D-Squared

Even though we have nine (non-working) fireplaces in our house, we got a serious case of mantel envy while flipping through the Demolition Depot website yesterday. This 1870's mahogany mantel and over-mantel came out of a brownstone on 128th Street in Harlem recently and can be all yours for the low, low price of $8,500. The entire piece is just over 12-feet high so probably only appropriate for parlor floor usage in proper Victorian-era brownstones. It's way out of our price range but, man, is it a beauty.
1870's Mahogany Mantel [Demolition Depot]
Comments
Yeah, I would love to hear the story on how this fireplace was "acquired" from a Harlem brownstone. The salvage business is so corrupt. Poachers routinely steal historic items out of these homes and dealers simply look the other way. Why wouldn't they? They get to buy stolen items on the cheap and sell them at exorbitant prices to the rich. This sort of stuff happens all over the place in Bed-Stuy too. The antique shops on Malcolm X Blvd make their cut and more often than not sell those very same items to the higher end antique shops on Atlantic who make an even bigger cut.
When a real estate hard landing occurs and foreclosures rise you can expect a slew of architectural salvage items to come onto the market. A big practice in Bed-Stuy is for known poachers to approach homeowners who are about to lose their brownstones to the bank in foreclosure and offer them a couple of hundred bucks to totally strip the house of entrance doors, pocket doors, pier mirrors, wainscoting, fireplaces, and light fixtures. The argument goes that "you're going to lose you house to the bank so you might as well as sock it to them and go down swinging." You’d be surprised at how often folks take the bait.
I'm not sure what banks can do to prevent this occurrence but something has to be done; perhaps a practice of having the house audited for fixtures by an inspector when a home is under foreclosure review.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2006 11:18 AM
I live in a brownstone neighborhood upstate, and a lot of the same rape has occured here. My neighbors bought their house at auction after it had been boarded up for more than 20 years. Between the auction closing and the time they took possession, a huge stained glass window from the front of the house and a fabulous pair of entrance railings were stolen. All of the mantles were ripped from the walls, but the thieves hadn't gotten around to removing them from the premises. The interior shutters were all taken, but somehow my neighbors were able to buy them back from someone connected to the crooks. (Sorry to say, but the rats who previously owned my house were evidently complicit in the crime.)
Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2006 1:04 PM
And let's not even get started on the marble sinks, light fixtures, mantels, etc., etc., that contractors supposedly throw away "by accident."
Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2006 1:06 PM
Demolition Depot prices are so offensive, I would never buy anything from them anyway.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2006 1:17 PM
anon 1:04 PM, I wasn't aware that there were brownstone nabes in upstate ny. where upstate do you live. just curious. how are the prices there? care to provide any links.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2006 1:24 PM
i'm constantly amazed at how creative people get to turn a quick buck. If this stuff about poaching is true I can only imagine that it will get worse in 07'. antique finishes (doors, windows, tin ceilings, etc) are now being incorporated as design elements in new furniture as well as custom interior designs.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2006 1:33 PM
I'm the upstate brownstoner. I live in Albany. Small city, obviously, but it's filled with brownstone/rowhouse/townhouse architecture. Prices are generally in the $100,000 to $300,000 range -- less in certain neighborhoods and more for something really special. I live in a downtown historic district developed between 1830 and 1900 around two city parks. It was once the wealthy, elite part of town. But familiar urban story ... The nabe fell on very hard times until it was 'rediscovered' and revitalized in the past 20 years. Houses range from early frame construction and modest rowhouses to former mansions of up to 8,000 sf. Many of the bigger buildings have long since been converted to apartments, but there are many examples still of brownstones in original condition with original layouts. (My brownstone was never altered from its single-family configuration.)
Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2006 2:25 PM
I recently learned of this very same thing happening on my block in PLG to a home that went into foreclosure some years back. This particular house had one of the most gorgeous, unaltered interiors of the entire row. In fact, when I used to visit the neighbor who lived there, I always used to marvel at it with a bit of envy because the finishes in my own home were not quite as ubiquitous and grand. Not long ago another neighbor informed me that she witnessed a whole crew who carted off mantels, columns, pier mirrors, pocket doors, stained glass, etc. from the house by the truckload. This occurred in the gap between the foreclosed owner moving out and the resale. I guess the new owners never even knew what they missed.
Posted by: Brooklynista at September 15, 2006 3:18 PM
Yeah, I am gradually adding back details to my brownstone that were stripped out. I heard from the seller that the place was cleaned out by thieves at one point - they stripped the wainscoating off the walls in the stairways and the marble fireplaces. I bought 2 fireplaces from Eddie Hibbert of Grand and Greene fame and was joking to him that I was probably buying back my original fireplaces. It was a joke, but he took me very seriously and said that he only sells stuff that he takes out himself on salvage jobs. (Some developers still think stripping the guts of old buildings and replacing them with sheetrock is a good idea). Anyhow Eddie and his crew come by his doors, railings, fireplaces, windows, etc. that way. I believe Eddie. But I can't speak for the rest of them. I have been adding back piece by piece stuff that has been lifted from my place, pre-me.
Posted by: donatella at September 15, 2006 4:55 PM
Poachers are not the only ones who are guilty of raping these homes. I find great historic details thrown in the trash by the owners who are renovating. Their loss is my gain...and it's FREE!
Posted by: yente at September 15, 2006 5:21 PM
I live in Sunset Park, Brooklyn. Many gut renovations are always going on out here, mostly near Chinatown. Great stuff is always being thrown out! So if you're interested in finding treasure check out the dumpsters out here. It breaks my heart to see all this great old stuff go to the dump!
Posted by: Rick at September 15, 2006 7:33 PM
When I was gutting my rotten house I gave Eddie twenty interior doors and a lot of miscellaneous moldings. Everytime I'm working on a building that is too far gone to be restored I give him anything of value (100 year old bathtubs, built-ins, etc.) because I know it will end up in a brownstone somewhere.
Posted by: Shahn Andersen at September 16, 2006 3:37 AM
Who is Eddie and where is Grand and Greene? we will need all of the above for our renovation and he sounds like a wonderful person to do business with
Posted by: anonymous at September 16, 2006 1:07 PM
That mantel is kinda ugly though, no? Some styles have a kind of intrinsic beauty to them, which keeps despite the passage of time. But the victorian era created some ghastly monstrosities, in my opinion. I've been trying to figure out why it aged so badly, and I think it's because the Victorian time saw the trend of mixing and matching just about any influence from any culture into an Englishized lump of gharishness.
Anyway, I guess it's still valuable for the craftsmanship that went into it.
It'd still hate to have that thing in my house, scaring the kids.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 16, 2006 1:14 PM
Ok, first, Eddie of Grand and Greene fame is Eddie Hibbert, retired NYC Fire marshall and owner of two garage like buildings on Greene, has an architectural salvage business. He is a very personable, honest and kind person who has helped many owners clear out interiors of brownstones for many reasons. The stuff he gets is constantly recycled into the renovations going on all over the place. His place is filled to the rafters with doors, fireplaces, bits and pieces of everything from humble kitchy light fixtures to railings, moldings, old sinks, etc. It is a great place and Eddie has really helped me with my renovation. Both with the stuff and with his sense of humor. Whenever I leave there my latest disaster is transformed into new comic material and as he says, it works out. He is open 12-6 from Tuesday to Saturday, closed Sunday and Monday.
About the previous posters comments, I am of a like mind. A lot of the Victoriana is overwhelming to me and I don't like it. I am not a big fan of dark heavy furniture, massive mahogany moldings. I hate feeling like I broke into a gentleman's club. So I renovated my place trying to maintain the historic nature of the house but to maximize light. I am more a fan of carved marble fireplaces, though I can appreciate the posted fireplace from a workmanship perspective.
I think we all take what we like of this Victorian world and try to transform it somehow to work with our modern life and sensibility.
Posted by: donatella at September 16, 2006 4:32 PM
Greene Avenue runs east west and is north of Fulton Street. Grand is one block west of Classon, the official (I guess) Border of Bed Sty and Clinton Hill.
Posted by: donatella at September 16, 2006 4:35 PM

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