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September 6, 2006

Brooklyn's First Energy Star Condos Debut

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This green thing is starting to catch on. The Energy Star program was started by the New York State to encourage and certify green building. On this three-unit ground-up project on 21st Street in the South Slope, Giancola Contracting (which has been working in Brooklyn for 80 years) teamed up with the Fort Greene-based architecture firm Coggan Crawford Schaut to create the first Energy Star-approved condos in the borough. The tangible benefits include 30% savings on utility bills as well as improved air quality and sound-proofing. Materials used included polished structural concrete flooring, Bamtex bamboo and recycled-tire roof decking. Unit One is spoken for but Units Two and Three are asking $849,000 and $989,000, respectively.
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Comments

i am all for green, all for innovative design...but does modern HAVE to equal bland/minimalist?

Posted by: dreadnaught at September 6, 2006 9:10 AM

I think it's ugly.

Posted by: anon at September 6, 2006 9:11 AM

i love it, how much was unit one w/ garden

Posted by: Anonymous at September 6, 2006 9:19 AM

How can they even call a building green these days if it doesn't use a geothermal heating and cooling system? What are they heating it with, natural gas? It doesn't say anywhere on the site. I'd be impressed if it had radiant flooring and a geothermal system, but if it uses natural gas (or any other fossil fuel) it's hard to consider it very green.

Posted by: Shahn Andersen at September 6, 2006 9:39 AM

i wish we all lived in a retro fantasy-land like dreadnaught & anon, where we only love everything that existed before cars, and electricity and indoor plumbing like your precious brownstones. but in reality buildings built in 2006 should be completely different than those from 1906. the "i don't like modern" people are fools.

Posted by: qwertyuiop[]\ at September 6, 2006 10:08 AM

I am 9:11 anon. I like modern, I just think this particular version of modern is ugly. But based on sales, it looks like at least 1 person disagrees, and that's what makes the world go around.....

Posted by: anon at September 6, 2006 11:00 AM

Love the expanses of windows. This looks so much better than the rest of the condo buildings cropping up lately that I'm almost willing to overlook that this is not actually the South Slope.

Posted by: linusvanpelt at September 6, 2006 11:10 AM

I don't like modern for the most part, but (surprising myself here) I love this place. It just has a craftsman /artist (not arts & crafts style) feel to it for me. And I love the windows.

Posted by: jennyanne at September 6, 2006 12:27 PM

"i wish we all lived in a retro fantasy-land like dreadnaught & anon, where we only love everything that existed before cars, and electricity and indoor plumbing like your precious brownstones. but in reality buildings built in 2006 should be completely different than those from 1906. the "i don't like modern" people are fools."

Nice comeback..or it would be, if that was remotely what i said. You're having an argument with yourself. Read what i said again:

"am all for green, all for innovative design...but does modern HAVE to equal bland/minimalist"

it is not that it is a 'new' design, it is that i find the design aesthetically dull...like i said, innovative doesn't have to mean the cookie cutter look we associate with modern. glass, steel, minimalist...it's as dead as abstract art....oh and by the way 'those precious brownstones' are what saved brooklyn economically it was the 'hero architects' who were going to create utopias via design that nearly destroyed it and new york city. I guess you prefer the aesthetics of stuy town?

Posted by: dreadnaught at September 6, 2006 2:11 PM

i question the legitimate "greenness" of these units.

"energy star" is a program implemented by the EPA to certify energy-efficient appliances. green buildings can be certified by the u.s. green building council, on a silver-gold-platinum point scale based on what are called "LEED" standards.

i am not aware, however, of any legitimate certification for "energy star homes." sounds like a crude sales gimmick to me.

Posted by: shamu at September 6, 2006 5:11 PM

my bad. EPA does recognize "energy star homes", which are energy-efficient. however, energy star does not address things like use of toxic / hazardous building materials, or water use.

Posted by: shamu at September 6, 2006 5:18 PM

"my bad. EPA does recognize "energy star homes", which are energy-efficient. however, energy star does not address things like use of toxic / hazardous building materials, or water use."

no, but it's a start - it seems to me its more about comfort& cost here - sound proofing and energy savings.

Posted by: anon at September 6, 2006 5:25 PM

are these overpriced or i am rich. i mean i have 2400 square foot house on 18th street at best i think i could get 800k. granted it has vinyl siding and is not in the beast shape but it has a 1700 dollar rental. wow.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 6, 2006 9:11 PM

At last something with out all the cloying ornate wood carvings.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 6, 2006 11:53 PM

it looks like some tacky set design from some post apocalyptic movie, like "the Road Warrior", where they had to make buildings from salvaged stuff they found around the junk yard.

pretty soon we are all going to wars for gasoline and water.

Posted by: aunty entity at September 7, 2006 2:18 AM

A few responses to all of the above:
1. LEED criteria played a part in the design, but the documentation aspect is prohibitive for small projects. We discovered energy star by looking into NYSERDA rebates for energy efficiency. This is all a learning process, as the field has changed tremendously over the past 10 years, and building science has become more rigorous. Our energy star rater has been an invaluable resource in the design and commisioning of 6 projects now, both energy star rated and non-rated.
2. The design started with the renovation of an existing frame structure and the construction of a new non-combustible addition. That is expressed through the materiality. The original concept was to use a cement plank in a clapboard installation to reference the original siding of the frame house, but stucco was used by the developer as a cost saving measure. The aluminum siding is meant to be a "sign" of the non-combustible steel and concrete construction within. thus the materiality attempts to express the idea of the old house meeting the new house.
3. The glass on the rear is not arbitrary "minimalist" pallette - it is used for passive solar gain. The rear faces southwest. Drapery pockets were built in for sun control.
4. The concrete floors of the addition are the structural concrete that were polished, thus no additional material was added. They also serve as a thermal mass for winter solar heating.
5. The exterior balconies also act as sun control for the south glazing during the summer months.
6. Interior lighting is concealed high CRI fluorescent lighting and compact fluorescents.
7. All plumbing fixtures are low flow. We are now using dual flush toilets on current projects. We are looking into storm water/gray water cisterns for future projects. These are difficult on what amounts to renovation projects, and the codes are still not resolved on this and requires waivers and pre-considerations.
8. The original design called for a trellis on the roof to support photovoltaics. this was cut for budget reasons, though we did install 2" conduit from roof to cellar for future installation for cables.
9. we are designing for solar hot water on a current project.
10. this building is super insulated with R50 roof and R30 walls. The windows could have used improvement and are only U 0.50. For an upcoming project we are looking at triple glazing with a U of 0.21 from a German window company.

As for brownstones vs. modern, this is a non-issue. The row house is a wonderfully maleable typology, and it is the scale of these buildings more than their style which is the desirable quality. The main point is not style but scale, and this house is completely in the context of the neighborhood in this regard.

I live in an 1860 house. it is unreinforced masonry with undersized wood joists. Modern construction, even at relatively developer minimum construction is far more robust and safe than these old houses. god forbid we have an earthquake of even 6.0 here - it would be a disaster. This house is well above developer minimum.

Posted by: architect at September 8, 2006 11:08 AM

thank you. that was very helpful.

It would be great if all architects responded in such a manner.

Agree or disagree - we now understand your thought process.

I commend your honesty and time.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 12, 2006 12:04 PM

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