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August 11, 2006
Open House Picks
Boerum Hill
381 Pacific Street
Fillmore
Sunday 1-3
$1,500,000
GMAP P*Shark
Windsor Terrace
625 Vanderbilt Street
Corcoran
Sunday 1-3
$749,000
GMAP P*Shark
Bedford Stuyvesant
635 Macon Street
Eva Daniels Realty
Sunday 1-5
$745,000
GMAP P*Shark
Prospect Lefferts Gardens
377 Lincoln Road
Luxor Homes
Sunday 1-2:30
$700,000
GMAP P*Shark
Comments
Mr. B, wrong link on Bed Stuy prop.
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at August 11, 2006 11:48 AM
Thanks for fixing the link. Too bad there are such slim pickings this time of year.
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at August 11, 2006 1:05 PM
377 Lincoln Rd., while still technically in PLG, is not in the historic district and is on the east side of Nostrand Ave. As such, I'd say that's pretty overpriced, considering that there are two similar houses for sale on Lefferts Ave between Rogers and Nostrand in the historic district, for the same range (one, listed by Foxton's, is said to be in contract, although my neighbors on the block tell me that ain't so).
Posted by: babs at August 11, 2006 1:53 PM
The Pacific street house has seen a big price cut. We looked at when it was priced at 1.8 or 1.9, as we walked in the door the agent told that the price was flexible. Looked like a flipper who did bad job on the renno. If you look at the picture of the kitchen, you can see the door to the back yard is 1-2 feet above the floor, with no steps up to it. You may also notice that the small kitchen workspace includes a marble fireplace mantle. Totally dumb design.
Posted by: rich at August 11, 2006 2:28 PM
From Propshark seems longtime same owner of Pacific st. Just swithing deed from corporate to individ. Also was permit to change from 3 to a 4 fam. which I assume was never finalized. Guess was rental bldg for long time.. did recent ugly reno and trying to cash in.
Joke at $1.8 but at $1.5 seems like lot of sq ft for the price if somehow can make some changes for $100k.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 11, 2006 2:44 PM
how come we can post w/o signing in?
Posted by: anon at August 11, 2006 2:48 PM
Yes, it really is charmless, isn't it
Posted by: minerva at August 11, 2006 3:56 PM
@2:44, I have to agree with you about the $1.5 thing, it is a lot of house and it is on a nice block.
Posted by: rich at August 11, 2006 3:57 PM
there HAVE to be steps up to that door in the kitchen. probably just can't see them in the picture.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 11, 2006 4:05 PM
Anon Again!! Ahh...the sweet taste of freedom.
I agree that Pacific street now now seems "reasonably" priced, though I bet it goes for less. Also agree that the PLG listing seems high compared to
similar things on the market.
Good move bstoner!!!
Posted by: born anon at August 11, 2006 5:28 PM
"there HAVE to be steps up to that door in the kitchen. probably just can't see them in the picture."
You would think, but when I saw the place there were NO steps. It was weird.
Posted by: Rich at August 11, 2006 5:32 PM
I agree with Babs about the PLG house except that IMO the Lefferts Ave houses she mentions, with their distinctive terra cotta trim, are somewhat more attractive.
FWIW I had mixed feelings about the registration--things may become more interesting around here now. I hope we can stay civil.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at August 11, 2006 8:46 PM
I hate to rain on the parade, but the registration has to come back. It wasn't gone for 10 minutes before the troll co-opted my name again. I did not write the above post attributed to me.
I know what you all are thinking - " Oh crap, here we go again." Sorry.
Since the troll wars I have been posting with my e-mail address. I still do on the forum. Anyone have a problem- you are free to e-mail me.
The real CHP.
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at August 11, 2006 9:07 PM
Babs, Bob:
While 377 Lincoln Road is not in the Lefferts Gardens Historic District, its asking of 700k is perhaps on target. Afterall, it is a 2-3 family dwelling unattractive as it is in its current state. Whether someone is willing to shell out that much dough remains to be seen, but anything is possible.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 11, 2006 10:00 PM
I actually don't think the Lincoln Road place looks that bad, but I would worry about the location. It is quite dangerous around there.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 11, 2006 10:06 PM
Oh...this is so excellent! No more mandatory registration. Thank You!!!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 12, 2006 9:08 AM
I guess we DO need registration again--how sad :-(
Posted by: Bob Marvin at August 12, 2006 10:00 AM
I disagree. There appear to be only a couple of people here who are affected by the "troll problem", and while I sympathize, I don't believe that everyone else should be penalized just to accommodate them. This site is about Brooklyn. It's not just about Crown Heights and PLG. The site should remain open, and free. If trolls appear, ignore them. They're something one has to live with on just about every site.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 12, 2006 11:05 AM
will do
Posted by: Anonymous at August 12, 2006 11:39 AM
Anon 11:05,
I see your point, but they're soooo obnoxious! In any case, if Mr. B doesn't reinstate registration, I've certainly learned NOT to respond to them, even though they seem to have a vendetta against my neighborhood.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at August 12, 2006 4:48 PM
You PLGers seem to have a chip on your shoulders and it is very unbecoming. The fact that someone criticizes your neighborhood does not constitute a 'vendetta'. Chill.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 12, 2006 5:07 PM
They can be ignored until they start posting links to disgusting pictures and use someone else's name. I'm not going through this again. If Mr. B has ended registration, so has my interest in this site.
Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at August 12, 2006 5:10 PM
Lefferts Ave is not dangerous. We just moved here and it's the cleanest, friendlist neighborhood. one of the best in BK. holla.
Posted by: redbone at August 12, 2006 9:28 PM
Dangerous is a relative term. Lefferts is not dangerous relative to Brownsville, but it IS dangerous relative to MOST of Brooklyn. That said, it does have some attractive properties and I am sure it has some nice residents.
Can we all now play peacefully together in the sandbox?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 12, 2006 10:27 PM
Anonymous 10:06pm:
you must see 377 Lincoln Road up close and personal and you'll understand. This property (in Lefferts Gardens but outside the historic district) is much unattractive. note, this is a 2-story plus basement but there must be 14 rooms. you won't find this in Lefferts Manor where the homes are mostly original and maintain their one-family status. that's why the "Manor" is so appealing to a lot of potential homeowners.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 12, 2006 11:06 PM
I agree completely that some people should chill out about other people denigrating their neighborhoods (can't we all just get along, and not in Park Slope, please?)-
But I do find it creepy that some people actually post with other people's signatures. If I were CrownHeightsProud, I'd be irritated about that, too.
So I think keeping the registration is worth it.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 12:26 AM
It's so very worth it to have registration.
Posted by: Ed at August 13, 2006 6:57 AM
I vote for no registration and keeping things as open as possible.Just ignore trolls.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 10:35 AM
"Dangerous is a relative term. Lefferts is not dangerous relative to Brownsville, but it IS dangerous relative to MOST of Brooklyn. That said, it does have some attractive properties and I am sure it has some nice residents."
Could we possibly get more condescending, as the unlamented, and not missed PLG bashing starts up again, as well as the renewal of identity theft?
I found it so much more fun to read when everyone had a handle. You are still anonymous, who is Brown Bomber, CHP, putnam-denizen, or New Stoner, but an anonymous identity? Except for the few people who post with their names, everyone is still anonymous.
Bring back registration! It was so much more civilized. The trolls are obviously regular readers, as they started up within hours of the registration going down. Registration was the only thing keeping them in check.
Posted by: Brower Park at August 13, 2006 10:57 AM
I wholeheartedly agree. Sad to think that a regular reader could be the same unmitigated jerk who goes out of their way to ruin this forum. We need registration.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 11:14 AM
This site needs hits and as wide an audience as possible. Keeping it free and open is a huge help in this regard. Bear in mind that there are ads on this site. There is a bottom line to think about here. I hope the registration system never, ever returns. If you do not like the trolls, do not interact with them. Yes, it is that simple. It is not fair to ask Mr. B to do something that will compromise the success of this site so that one or two people will feel more comfortable. That just is not realistic.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 12:13 PM
LOL...I guess the debate pretty much stops at this point.
Posted by: Rudy at August 13, 2006 2:05 PM
Well, that's scary. Someone's last name outed.
This has gone too far. Registration is a necessity.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 2:20 PM
Read the posts. Registration is what gave away her identity in the first place. I for one will ONLY post anonymously from now on.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 2:33 PM
You're damn right it's scary. It's now official- this site sucks and the troll wins. Maybe I'm wrong- and I hope I am- but other than brownstoner who else would have access to that information? Unless he's been hacked. In any case, the damage is done.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 2:37 PM
Bullsh*t registration gave her name away- that information is supposed to be private with typekey. I don't think even b'stoner can access that.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 2:40 PM
You people need to get a grip. We're looking at two ways to run a site. One involves letting people post freely and anonymously. The other involves collecting information about people and registration. And you're telling me that the latter method is more secure? You have to be kidding.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 2:47 PM
Excuse me but wasn't typekey a secure registration site? Isn't that how it's supposed to work? So you tell me how someone other than brownstoner or the registrant would access that information? Typekey is a separate site from brownstoner. And that question still doesn't address the issue of who the f**k the troll is.Welcome to paranoia central.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 3:01 PM
that's some twisted logic anon at 2:59 considering it happened only after registration was dropped. And if it does come back I doubt we'll miss your ilk.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 3:03 PM
wrong. Unless you're a professional hacker, you can't access that information. It doesn't even go into brownstoner's database. I'm not flaming you for telling people to protect themselves- that's good advice. I am replying to your posting erroneous information regarding the typekey registration.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 3:21 PM
Do you know who this person is?
If not, then how do you know that he is not a hacker?
It seems to me you are thinking only about yourself and your personal desire to bring back registration and not about the best interest of the site.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 3:24 PM
I actually think that the Pacific house is a good deal, especially if it can be had with a $1.4 handle. Nice exterior. Great block in Boerum Hill, a beautiful nabe. Yes, it needs interior work but most homes do and at this price point why would you expect otherwise? I think it's priced to move.
Posted by: BrownBomber at August 13, 2006 3:28 PM
You don't have to be a hacker to figure out her name. It was printed in one of the posts a few weeks ago about the architectural gems of Crown Heights North, I believe. I'm not a hacker, just a regular reader, and I saw it. Whoever the troll is, they could have found it there too.
Posted by: Anon at August 13, 2006 3:33 PM
FWIW, I skipped back to the archives and could not find the name mentioned above mentioned there.
Posted by: Nervous (and hoping I won't stay that way) at August 13, 2006 3:42 PM
Has anyone else noticed that this is far and away the most interesting thread to hit this board in weeks? Brownstoner is back!! :-)
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 3:56 PM
Sorry about that, you're right, her name wasn't in the posts themselves. It's not quite that simple, but you still don't have to be a hacker to find it. Nuff said. Don't want to make it easier to harrass the poor woman than it already has been.
Posted by: anon 3:33 at August 13, 2006 4:57 PM
I think that, if we put our heads together, we could force this troll out of his little rabbit hole.
As CHP pointed out, the troll is undoubtedly someone who regularly reads and perhaps posts to this site because he was back here in a heartbeat once the registration system came down. And my guess is that he is not a professional hacker but someone who already knows CHP through some other connection. Furthermore, if it is someone who is known to CHP, that would explain his weird vendetta against her.
CHP, I think you know this person. Any thoughts?
Posted by: Rabbit Hunter at August 13, 2006 5:09 PM
I agree. The troll knows CHP personally and is obviously a scorned and bitter person and perhaps in need of serious psychiatric care. Nonetheless, Mr. B can easily identify the troll through his or her URL and thus has the ability to out the sorry bastard. With that being said, why can't the troll be blocked from this site? It's been done to numerous agitators over the years but for some inexplicable reason this troll continues to have access to this site. That's the issue at hand. Why are others easily blocked from this site while the troll is permitted to wreck havoc with impunity. Only Mr. B can answer this very simple question.
Posted by: SuperAnon at August 13, 2006 6:32 PM
Nice to have the site back, open to all. Well done, Mr. B.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 6:36 PM
IF this creep could be effectively blocked there probably would no need for registration,but AFAIK Mr. B has tried to block trolls before with limited success--I think that's why he started registration in the first place.
BTW, what's wrong with posting under one's actual name? I seem to be almost the only one doing it here, but I'm on numerous other lists where people use their real names.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at August 13, 2006 6:45 PM
frankly, what superanon says makes me even more paranoid. Why has the troll been able to circumvent Mr. B? It's not possible he's posting from 12 different computers so it doesn't leave too many logical choices. Only one person can't be blocked and would know personal information. Not liking what I'm thinking.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 6:45 PM
Anon. 6:45
I don't know that you should be THAT paranoid. What you seem to be hinting at wouldn't make much sense IMO.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at August 13, 2006 6:54 PM
I guess, Bob, the troll illustrates the reason. There is nothing wrong with posting under your own name- I wish the internet didn't make me so nervous that I could be comfortable doing so. The closest I can come is using a consistent handle. Which, like a lot of others now, will no longer do. I also guess most of the other lists you're on are special interest lists and require registration. But this one doesn't- or at least seems to no longer.
I'm sure CHP is extremely upset by this turn of events- I would be, having a cyber stalker. This is a localized site based in Brooklyn. Probably 95% of us live here so If they know your name, they could very well know where you live. And that's really really creepy. We know how malicious the troll is. So I wonder why Mr. B, after a majority of people said keep registration, has suddenly dropped it? And without a word.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 6:56 PM
Does anyone know why the Pacific Street open house was cancelled today? It's pretty annoying that both the Times and the Fillmore site listed the open house, only to have a small sign on the door stating that it was cancelled (especialy for people that went out of their way to go to see the place).
I recall a while back there was a Brownstoner open house pick (maybe it was that Clinton Hill-Lefforts Place pick?) where the open house was cancelled and the agent notified Brownstoner who then corrected it on the Friday before the open house. While one cannot expect every agent to do that (especaiily because one cannot expect every agent to read Brownstoner), but it's hard to believe that an agent cannot even correct the listing on his own site.
Posted by: Wally at August 13, 2006 7:26 PM
I find this thread and the entire history of this troll profoundly discouraging. Yes, I know the troll stinks. Yes, I know he is a cad. We all know that. But then, why do some people PERSIST in talking about him, and complaining about him...and complaining about him? This is precisely the kind of attention that will keep bringing him back to this site, and I dare say that he must be experiencing absolute glee at the attention we\'ve lavished on him today. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? Why?
And those of you who keep harping on registration, please. As one earlier poster pointed out, this is an ad-supported site. In case you didn\'t catch that, I said it is an \"ad-supported site\". And like it or not, more people will visit this site if it is free and open to anonymous posting, and this will in turn make it more attractive to advertisers.
If you hate the troll and want to be rid of him, stop feeding him. Just don\'t! If you love this site and want to do what, in the end, is best for the site and for everyone involved, give the registration issue a rest.
Whew. Sorry but I had to get that off my chest.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 7:41 PM
I agree 7:41pm. It's our responsibility to deal with the troll not Mr. B's. All we have to ignore him. That's not too much to ask.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 7:47 PM
Anon at 7:41: Well said. Thank you.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 13, 2006 8:31 PM
if you folks would stop discussing the troll and registration this would be a much more interesting site
Posted by: anon at August 13, 2006 9:35 PM
See what anonymous posting leads to? A whole lot of nonsense.
Posted by: Ed at August 13, 2006 11:39 PM
No Eddie, that's just what your posts lead to.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 14, 2006 12:03 AM
This has been fun, BUT - did anyone see the MACON house?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 14, 2006 10:47 AM
Want a reality check? Count how many comments have been dedicated to the "troll" on this thread alone (counting this one too) vs. how many comments about the open house picks.
20 Comments - Open House Picks
44 Comments - Troll or Registration.
What does that tell you?
Registration is not the problem, its people's inability to "keep it moving"
I think registration dampened the dialogue on this site. Trolls comments come in spurts, but the discussions about these spurts last for Friggin' EVER... Oh my, now I'm talkin' about it.
Anyway...As the poster above asked... Has anyone seen the Bed-Stuy house?
Posted by: NewStoner at August 14, 2006 11:08 AM
I don't know about the Macon house, but 377 Lincoln was dumpy. I saw it last month when it was exclusive with ReMax, listed at the obscene price of $799K. It's basically a 2-fam that's been converted (badly) into 2 studio apartments on the upper floor and one apartment on the ground floor. The basement has some depressing SRO's with a 7 ft. ceiling. Definitely more of an investment property than a fixer-upper.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 15, 2006 7:57 AM
I saw 381 Pacific when it was first shown in March. Now it has a huge price increase and is now being shown by a different realtor.
Apparently Fillmore couldn't move it because there's an enormous rat problem in the yard (gross, I know). I spoke to the woman two doors down and she told me she can't even use her deck anymore. They must be trying to sell it before breeding season.
Posted by: Anonymous at January 3, 2007 6:39 PM
I agree.
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