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August 29, 2006

A Green Roof: Can You Dig It

roofWe thought a fun way to follow up on last week's post on recycled denim insulation would be to revisit the topic of green roofs, which we briefly touched on back in July in mentioning the sale of a building in Gowanus. Of course, we couldn't explain exactly what a green roof was back then. Now we can, thanks to a short piece in Domino Magazine:

A green roof is a layer of soil and foliage that sits on top of a building, serving many purposes. Green roofs absorb excess rainwater (preventing sewage-system overflow), conserve energy, cool interiors in the summer and improve air quality. And for city dwellers they even add square footage to your living space.

Among the useful links on the topic cited by the article are greenroofs.com and greenroofplants.com. More links on the link.
Resources: Green Roofs [Domino]
Photo by Timothy Hursley




Comments

i love the look of this!

Posted by: lesterhead at August 29, 2006 10:43 AM

thanks for posting this- I dream of doing this & am saving my pennies to make it happen, but I'm also hoping that the technology will get better/cheaper by the time I'm ready.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2006 11:00 AM

I'd be interested in small residential wind mills and whether they were feasible in brooklyn. Are they too noisy? Would they be permitted under current housing codes (or deemed unsightly?)

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2006 11:32 AM

Not practical for almost all installations - weight is tremendous; costs are astronomical and if you have a roof leak removal is insane.

Posted by: David at August 29, 2006 11:34 AM

David: WRONG on almost all counts. do a little research, this isn't just plopping a pile of dirt on a roof. there are companies that make manageable grid systems of different thickness soils that you can install on a roof easily and safely. soil depths can be a low as 2" i believe and people often plant sedum which is a hearty drought plant requiring very little maintenance. benefits include superior isulation and great rainwater management that eases stormwater runoff. some of these systems are guaranteed for many years. here's a link for you:
http://www.greengridroofs.com/specs/systemspecs.htm

all of this green talk lately is good and bad. i like that people are now thinking about these issues relating to their homes but it seems that "green" is just becoming another buzz word or status word ala "luxury appartments". i'm sad for the day it's not so stylish anymore and everyone forgets all about it.

Posted by: TonyTone at August 29, 2006 12:03 PM

there is currently no technology to support small urban residential windmills, as it is they would generate almost zero power. several problems include bird issues, height issues, more than likely code issues, safety issues, the list goes on. you would have to have a very high tower to get to where the proper wind is.

did anyone notice that the westside jets stadium plans included wind turbines to generate some of the power on site? it was very cool. they would have been able to site them high up and also have wind advantage from the hudson river.

Posted by: TonyTone at August 29, 2006 12:11 PM

Green Roof Benefits:

Extended Roof Life
Green roofs protect exterior roof membranes from ultraviolet radiation, extreme temperature fluctuations, punctures and other physical damage. They can significantly increase life expectancies of roof membranes, thereby diminishing the need for costly roof replacements and maintenance, and resulting in tangible savings for building owners.

Reduced Energy Costs

Reduced Urban "Heat Island" Effect
The urban "heat island" effect occurs in most of the large cities of the world. This phenomenon has been shown to actually change weather patterns in some of these cities. Roads and building rooftops absorb a significant amount of heat during daylight hours. This heat, in turn, is radiated back into the atmosphere, causing further warming. To compound the problem, additional heat is emitted by vehicles and HVAC systems.

Sound Insulation
The growth media, plants, and layers of trapped air in a green roof system serve as excellent sound insulators. Tests have shown that green roofs can reduce the indoor noise pollution from outdoor contributors by as much as 10 decibels. Noise-level reductions can provide significant benefits to buildings in noise-impacted areas, such as sites close to airports, highways, or heavy industry.

Stormwater Management
Especially in urban areas, over 75% of a rain event can become surface runoff depositing pollutants into waterways. Many older cities have combined stormwater and sanitary sewers where, in the event of a significant rainfall, the sewage treatment plant becomes unable to treat all of the excess stormwater flowing into it. Bypass valves are opened, and raw sewage can be directed to the receiving waters. Green roofs help alleviate this problem through retention of rainfall and detention of roof water runoff.


Posted by: TonyTone at August 29, 2006 12:19 PM

I've wanted to do this for a long time, but know very little about it. Has anyone ever tried to convince their coop board to let them do this? I have roof right in my building, and i can only imagine the uphill battle this would be....

Posted by: Rising Crane at August 29, 2006 12:22 PM

TonyTone, don't be such a defeatist! Just because it's stylish now doesn't necessarily mean it will become un-stylish next year. Sometimes this year's avant-garde is next year's normal. That's my hope for the greenroofs.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2006 12:42 PM

It would be so cool to look out one day and see all the flat roofs of Brooklyn covered in green roofs
(as opposed to all the flat roof low building all knocked to build huge glass temples to ego like the AY)

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2006 12:54 PM

TonyTone - I'm thinking of using the modular panels on our roof. As soon as I get the okay from a structural engineer, that is.

Most of the example projects are large facilities, but they now have a DIY system that runs about $9/sq foot.
http://www.greenroofs.com/guest_features.htm

Posted by: HC at August 29, 2006 1:36 PM

For the DIYers among us, here's a link to ways to do it for cheap without astronomical costs. I am thinking of making something like this for the roof on my garden floor extension.
For the poster who spoke about the weight of green roofs: the 'soil' they use is not regular soil but much lighter. Also, the weight depends on what you want it to grow. Sedum roofs are light, but if you are looking for a regular roof garden then it could be quite heavy.

Posted by: RedHookDIYer at August 29, 2006 1:55 PM

here's a link to an article about an icehouse conversion in Crown Heights (i think). along with solar, these two put a green roof on the building. my wife and i toured the building a couple of years ago, it was featured in an NYC greenbuilding tour.

http://www.homepower.com/files/ALLEETOC/Issue104.pdf?search=104

Posted by: TonyTone at August 29, 2006 1:56 PM

this is so awesome- I love it.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2006 3:10 PM

Tony Tone - Are you LEED accredited yet?

The only clarification I would add to the discussion is that a "green roof" is usually not meant to be walked on, so doesn't really "increase the living space" as described in brownstoners intro quote.

Posted by: Ameraleed at August 29, 2006 6:59 PM

There was a great article in NYT about a green roof in the village a few months ago. I don't have the link but you can search it.

Re: wind turbines, totally unfeasable, I looked into it as I live on the waterfront, however, solar panels are a real option. There is new technology and it is not super expensive. I am looking into this for my house as I have no shadows. I am thinking of setting up a blog on my search and hopeful installation. I will send info to Brownstoner when I get it set up.

Posted by: Green in the Hook at August 30, 2006 12:06 AM

Why not just sign up for a GREEN energy supply company (ESCO) to provide your share of the electricity you use? Easier and quicker, and since they 'mass manufacture' it, probably cheaper. They use wind, hydroelectric, biomass, etc. to generate electricity. Check out the ConED website.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2006 6:42 PM

The green ESCO alternative is NOT as simple as it seems. Check out this string.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13830744

Posted by: Green in the Hook at August 31, 2006 11:26 AM

the only drawback is the cost.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 31, 2006 4:49 PM

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