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May 15, 2006
Joshua Guttman: The Real Slim Shady
As most people know by now, Joshua Guttman, the owner of the Greenpoint Terminal Market which met its own suspicious demise two weeks ago, is no stranger to fires conveniently consuming properties that he wants to redevelop. Yesterday, the Times explored the history of another one of his properties, 247 Water Street, in Dumbo. In this story, the requisite fire was preceded by a "campaign of harrassment," as former tenants describe it, that included cutting holes in the roof, disabling the elevator and giving keys to the building to a neighborhood crackhead. Here's what happened when Guttman finally got the tenants out:
The neighborhood exploded with apartments and tenants paying rents that rivaled those in Manhattan. In 2003, Mr. Guttman applied to have the zoning for the building changed to allow for legal apartments, a boon for the building. On Feb. 11, 2004, the community board recommended that the request be denied.
Seven days later, 247 Water Street burned. The fire brought a four-alarm response and took firefighters more than 12 hours to extinguish. An investigation was inconclusive. Workers may have been using acetylene torches at the time, the Fire Department said.
In the two years since the fire, Mr. Guttman has worked with an architect, Robert M. Scarano Jr., and drawn up plans to raise the building to 11 stories. He has received permits to begin rebuilding interior floors ruined in the fire, according to the Department of Buildings, which is investigating allegations that Mr. Scarano has ignoring zoning rules in numerous Brooklyn buildings.
On Thursday, inspectors from the department ordered that work at the building be stopped pending an audit of the job. But the future of 247 Water Street may be just a matter of time. Across the street, the bricks of No. 260, an apartment building, are new and red, with a little garden ringed by an iron fence, an ornate wood front door and parking in the rear.
Lofts, a Landlord and a Battle [NY Times]
Comments
Thank you for highlighting this article. I live near this building in DUMBO, and can say without a doubt that Guttman is an evil man. I'm hoping karma will catch up with him...
Posted by: gidget at May 15, 2006 9:44 AM
When Property Development Is Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Develop Property:
http://www.thestalwart.com/the_stalwart/2006/05/when_property_d.html
Posted by: iceberg at May 15, 2006 10:25 AM
"When Property Development Is Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Develop Property:"
well- there's an idiot statement if ever I saw one. Look around, pal- what property development is outlawed?
Posted by: Anonymous at May 15, 2006 10:35 AM
If not KARMA maybe some former tenants. Public stoning would be perfect.
Posted by: Anonymous at May 15, 2006 11:44 AM
Hells Kitchen has a much older history of LL's attempting to force tenants to vacate through harrassment (going back to the 60's when HK was perceived by developers as the next hot area). The community and elected officals passed the Clinton Special District which provides for some degree of real penalties for LL's that harass tenants out of their homes even after the buildings are vacant. We need an even stronger set of penalties after a finding of harassment by an impartial NYC body (not NYS such as DHCR) for the City as a whole.
Posted by: Anonymous at May 15, 2006 11:44 AM
iceberg, I did RTFA - it represents the wisdom of the man with the following curriculum vitae:
'Joseph Weisenthal, is a former equity analyst, now working as a writer. His work can be found at Techdirt, Dealbreaker, as well as here at The 'Wart. He is a graduate of The University of Texas at Austin ('02)
Besides being interested in economics and markets, Mr. Weisenthal is an avid songwriter, composer, and occasional playwright, having co-produced three original theatrical works.'
I think I'll look for serious thinking elsewhere
Posted by: david at May 15, 2006 12:21 PM
david,
okay wiseguy, what are your credentials to analyze the veracity of his opinion? Silly ad hominens will not fly here.
I happen to think that he makes a very cogent point; that is if you outlaw many of the legitimate property rights an owner has, the field of property development is going to shift over to those who aren't concerned with the laws.
Looking for proof? Look at the Prohibition and how it escalated gang crime and bloody turf wars, like nothing else.
Posted by: iceberg at May 15, 2006 12:45 PM
What legitimate property rights do you think someone like Guttman should still have?
Posted by: Anonymous at May 15, 2006 3:03 PM
OK, I thought I'd seen all the generally used webcronyms out there, but "RTFA"? Wozzat? "Research the f**king author" perhaps?
Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at May 15, 2006 6:20 PM
Iceberg- are you actually equating property development rights with landlord harassment? That's supposed to excuse their behavior? Or that we should give in to them because protective laws make them angry? You might know something about property development but you sure as heck know nothing about human psychology.
Posted by: Anonymous at May 15, 2006 7:55 PM
Brenda,
It stands for Read The F**king Article, which has been existed almost as long as linked internet articles have gone unread but none the less commented upon by individuals whose argumentive skills do not extend beyond ad hominem type argument.
Anonymous at 7:55 PM,
I say nothing of the sort, only that if you make laws which make property development complicated and difficult, don't be suprised that the people who will take advantage of those laws will be those who care the least about playing by the rules.
Similar to this, you might be interested to learn about the "Baptist-Bootlegger Coalition" in which bootleggers were the ones who stood alongside the clergy denouncing alcohol and were in favor of the prohibition, since they were the ones who profited the most from the illegality which they cared least about.
I don't mean to say that anything specific about Guttman, because I cannot pretend to know his intentions, or lack thereof. I'm only pointing out that when property development becomes a bureaucratic and legal nightmare, the property developers attracted to, and will bid highest are those who will use underhanded tactics.
Posted by: iceberg at May 15, 2006 8:28 PM
Any theories on how Guttman gets away with seems to be an obviously criminal MO? Who has to get paid for him to get away with it? I guess the DA, Housing etc?
I guess we'll have to wait for an arson job that goes terribly wrong and people will have to die before any action is forced. And I'm pro-development, but this ain't right.
Posted by: anon at May 16, 2006 9:11 AM
IANAL, "and I don't play one on TV"-- is arson criminally liable or a civil tort if someone torches his own house, but makes no claim to his fire insurance?
Posted by: iceberg at May 16, 2006 9:22 AM
IANAL either, but I think Arson is a criminal act, especially because it creates dangers to people and other property regardless of fire insurance. I think actually going for the insurance afterwards constitutes fraud.Plus there is the expense of involving city services such as fire and police, who are also endangered by arson.
Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:22 AM
I was one of the tenets to be evicted from 247 water st on that Friday night, (maybe the 16th of 2000, all I know is it was a week of finals for myself who was in school at the time and suddenly im being told i don't have a home. I haven’t thought about this for a few years, but recently speaking to some one who has a loft around the corner I was told the tenets won there court case, maybe he was referring to the 35,000 I read about in the article, (which is money I defitntly got none of, but then again I didn’t fight it.) I mean when you have some one telling you to leave and they have the cops standing in back of them, well whom do you call? In fact that night was so surreal I cant believe it to this day. It was around 5:30 or so I remember I heard a knock and went to answer the door, I open the door to see two people standing there and my adjoining neighbor slamming the door on them saying im not talking to you! I wasn't as smart. They said that they’re from the building department and they’re condemning the building. When I asked for how long the looked at each other, smiled and said forever... Now it's Friday im getting ready to go out for the night and now there are people telling me that #1 there condemning the building and # 2 I have an hour, yes an hour to get my stuff out. Me and two of my friends have been living there for around 6 months, and as far as I knew, you pay your rent; you have a lease your ok, well suddenly im on the phone calling my roommates at work saying hey we don’t have a house any more. They didn’t really understand, and neither did I. So after I close the front door I look around and well there wasn’t too much to do or say so I smoked a joint. I remember thinking well the building is filled with cops and ill be talking to them again shortly, but if they take me to jail then ill have a place to sleep.. This sounded better then the other offer I was given when I asked earlier where do I go tonight, They actually told me " will put you up in a hotel in the Bronx for tonight", yea ok. And there were shaky even about that. I spent the next hour stoned and pondering what’s important to take with me, this was interrupted by the city people checking on my progress with getting my things together, I explained that my roommates were on the way, and well need more time. Around the 3rd visit a half hour latter the building department people now had an army of cops, and fire fighters as well as a slew of other complete boners, telling me to get out. And now there were men climbing the fire escape and actually nailing plywood over the windows from the outside. The atmosphere in the building was turning ugly. Some Tenets were refusing to open their doors and were being threatened with force as well as jail. There were lawyers running around and lots of slamming and bagging on doors and the walls. It had been about two hours since the first knock at my door and I guess everyone was taking to long to get out. When my roommates arrived they had been told the deal, and everyone was in disbelief, of course the man we pay are rent to was on his Sabbath and unavailable. Kind of interesting they would do this on a night the actual landlord was unavailable and they knew this and acknowledged it. But that wasn’t nearly as unbelievable as what happened on the fourth time, the inspectors and the police knocked on the door. I had been on the phone with my mom, who was also speaking to a lawyer friend and telling me things to say and ask in a last attempt at some sort of compassion for us. Im standing face to face with this little runt of a man (the building inspector) with his army of cops, the smell of weed emanating from the apt and just hitting them in the face. it was awesome,, no but upon speaking to this man, I was told by him that " He couldn’t sleep another night knowing a child my die in a blazing inferno" so I asked him did he know about this building a week ago, and then two weeks ago. He answered yes to both so I said well then why weren’t you here 2 weeks ago or better yet given us a warning two weeks ago, I mean people have lived here for 15 years. He answered " when we come and put this eviction notice on your door (and pointed to it) then you leave. That was his answer when I also asked about the 30days notice they need to give to people being evicted. When I asked what about the law preventing you from throwing out tenets in the winter, he actually had the balls to state, " Just because you go on the Internet doesn't mean you know anything"! And that was it. I remember looking at the cops behind this man, smiling and feeling like they were serving the public. And by the way the building inspector telling all this to me was wearing a fur cape a holding a cane with diamonds on the handle, No joke! It was unreal.
Eventually we got our things we could carry, and were "given a break" by the city who said they would unlock the door tomorrow for 2 hours so we could get are larger items like beds ect, thanks!! That night we left the building with all the other tenets including the lady from the fifth floor with her kids, she was crying, and it began to snow.
With in 4 hours or so they had the building boarded up and abandon as well as locked. I always wondered if any of my neighbors who bartended who left at say 4:30 for work before this went down and returned in the middle of the night to a padlocked boarded up from the outside building, and knew nothing about it.
That night I slept on a dorm room floor of a friend, then the same for the next week of finals. The following Tuesday me and my roommate (both of us are graffiti writers) went back to the building climbed the fire escape, painted the roof and all the way down the building including over my boarded up windows. We only waited to it was dark so it was early enough that we had quite a crowd watching us from the neighboring building and then spilling into the streets. They recognized us and once I stated " im painting not breaking in" I even got some cheers! We got out of the area and the next night (after absolute no news coverage) bam! The story broke, and the only consolation was that Pablo Diaz from fox five was reporting from in front of the building with are newly painted graffiti beaming over his shoulder.
I didn’t return for around two years to the building. Shortly after all this happened my roommates went back and got our security, plus a little extra (I didn’t ask specifics, but lets just say my roommates stormed in and surprised him, and he (jousha guttman) choose walking instead of a wheelchair.
Since then I lived in 6 apartments in 6 years, none of them feeling like home.
I barely scrapped by and definitely didn’t have the option of taking him to court, I have to pay this months rent, not worry about being in court (which costs money too) just to hear him say im bankrupted, or whatever, I had to survive in the immediate. If my neighbors got money that’s great, he’s an evil man.
The first summer I lived there they were putting in all new water pipes (for an area of abandoned buildings the city claimed they didn’t know any one lived in) why do abandon buildings need new water pipes immediately? Yea it was clear that this was a complete inside job. I never will forget the complete helplessness I felt, and I wont get the over the fact that we were the only building in the blitz to be actually evicted, I have some luck. Recently I heard about the landlords name again. He owned the building in green point that mysteriously went up in flames. I heard they found a homeless guy to blame.
Thanks for writing the article. It's funny I was so affected by this, I was 19 and im just realizing now how much I blocked it out and moved on never looking back or really believed the idea that we would ever be able to return, seriously I mean look how they treated us.
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We have zoning rules for a reason. Before the enactment of zoning regulations, it wasn't uncommon for tenants to be injured through for lack of building standards. To think that enforcement of building codes will bring us back to that point is utter and unmitigated BS.
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