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May 3, 2006

Bloomberg Speaks Out for Eminent Domain

wrecking ballMayor Bloomberg came out strongly in support of maintaining the right of cities to seize private property by eminent domain:

"You would never build any big thing any place in any big city in this country if you didn't have the power of eminent domain," Mr. Bloomberg said, speaking at a ground-breaking ceremony in Times Square, which was redeveloped in part through government condemnation of private property. "You wouldn't have a job, neither would anybody else standing here today. None of us would."

"There are some in Albany and Washington," Mr. Bloomberg said, who do not "appreciate the crucial importance of eminent domain to our ability to shape our own future. They mistakenly equate it with an abuse of government power, and ignore the benefits that come to us all from responsible development of formerly blighted areas."

You can see why a Mayor wouldn't want to give up the power to use eminent domain and there are certainly extreme cases--an entire blighted block with only a single house left on it, for example-- where we think the best interests of the community are served by eminent domain, but those instances are so few and far between and the potential for abuse--like tearing down perfectly decent buildings in well-functioning neighborhoods to make way for an arena and condos--so great that we just can't get comfortable with the concept.
Bloomberg Says Eminent Domain Is Vital [NY Times]




Comments

you are so right. Ah...let the flaming begin. Oh David...where are you? ;-)

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 9:24 AM

Even the example 'an entire blighted block with one home on it' is NOT a reason to allow eminent domain for private purposes. Any architect will tell you that there are plenty of ways to deal with that single holdout. Perhaps not ideal for Wal Mart or a suburban-style office complex, but in urban situations this is what has shaped our cities. Atlantic Yards anyone?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 9:40 AM

I want to see Troll David fight Troll Bx2Bklyn.

Posted by: troll linusvanpelt at May 3, 2006 9:49 AM

Good point about being creative to deal with even the most extreme examples.

Posted by: Brownstoner at May 3, 2006 9:49 AM

I look forward to my suspened sky box apt above center court.

Posted by: deg at May 3, 2006 9:51 AM

You're right, Anon. but it seems today that people would rather bulldoze their way through because they feel entitled.

The Kelo decision was a bad one because it sends mixed signals- so both sides of the issue can claim the Supreme Court "supports" them. For my money (what little there is) Bloomberg is behaving like a bull in a china shop. He bullied his way through the firehouses, and I wonder what else he will bully his way through.

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 9:55 AM

A historical perspective:

Precious Park Slope and the surrounding neighborhoods were all targeted for "urban renewal" (code for use eminent domain to clear older "blighted" neighborhoods to build new stuff) back in the 60's and 70's.

Brownstoners are beneficiaries of the struggle by progressive activists to maintain these neighborhoods in tact. These activists lost a few battles, but won enough of them that we owe them our thanks.

Posted by: NoLandGrab at May 3, 2006 10:04 AM

babs. he has not been level headed. he's been insane on ED.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 10:04 AM

Congress should not handcuff local governments' ability to make decisions that weigh the interests of the few against the interests of the many. We can, and should, fight the improper use of eminent domain locally, but I don't like the idea of a bunch of suburban politicians in Washington, who generally couldn't give a rat's ass about urban areas, making the decision for me.

Posted by: Troll Babs at May 3, 2006 10:05 AM

I'm still on the fence, and see your point on park slope. but where would we be without Moses' traffic projects (prospect xpswy, cross bronx)?

Posted by: greenwood slope at May 3, 2006 10:08 AM

I think only because there hasn't been an issue where he has had to make a real stand on it. Ratner is steamrolling through and as much as I hate to say so, Bloomberg didn't have to do much re ED for that.

As far as being a bully- no. I don't think a mayor has to bully anyone. If he's a strong mayor and a good one, no one has to be pushed around. But Bloomberg has never been a mayor for everyone. In his second term we're seeing much more of the "real" Bloomberg, but we should have known after he started closing firehouses.

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 10:11 AM

I agree that it should be a local decision but the issue does still go to the Constitutional level, so there has to be a better system. And of course the things Robert Moses did in order to build the parkways and such, while unhappiness making, are necessary for the life of the city and region, as well as falling within the original guidelines for eminent domain.

Today too many politicians are stretching that definition for their developer friends. So one the one hand they wave around the free market banner of economics, and on the other, they undermine the free market by taking property from someone to give to a private developer. Gee- sounds kinda like communism.

There are a lot of benefits to the Ratner complex, and a lot of downsides, but you can't tell me with an architect like Frank Gehry, they couldn't have done it a better, less traumatic way.

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 10:25 AM

Now I'm a troll?? - you guys better look up what a troll is

ED is absoulutly necessary for Govt to have - w/o it you wouldnt have roads, water, sewer, schools, hospitals, transit etc... nor could you upgrade or replace the systems. It is so essential that our founding fathers wrote it into the consititution. The kelo case and AY et al have brought up the issue of ED for uses that arent so clearly 'public' or 'governmental' - like redevelopment built by and owned by private individuals/companies
The problem is that the backlash to Kelo is resulting in anti-ED proposals that would severely limit all ED - not just this so called 'private' ED.
Not to mention that the distinction between private and public isnt so clear; often things like transit, hospitals and even schools and roads are built and/or owned by private companies. and of course you also have to figure out where public agencies (MTA;Triboro etc) fit in.

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 10:59 AM

David,I agree with you. It's making the distinctions that will be fair that's so hard. FYI- I never said you were a troll but we do have a resident troll who is posting as other people and desperately trying to start trouble.

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 11:03 AM

Yeah without ED you wouldnt have the beautful Marcy, Farragut, Marcus Garvey Homes,Vernon Avenue Homes, Sumner Homes, Ocean Hill Homes and other PRISON like structures.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 11:27 AM

The use of eminent domain in the AY case seems overblown. From what I read most parcels have been freely purchased, big part of it of course is rights over RR tracks, and it seems like a theres a few holdouts where there is possibility for ED - but to imply that it is being used right now misleading.
There may be currently some bulldozing of blocks/parcels on which you may think are attractive bldgs. but that is not being done with eminent domain.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 11:37 AM

Anon @ 1127 - some prison , in virtual identical (but private) developments apartments rent for $1000 a month (1br) and $2300 a month (1br)- Parkchester and Styvesant Town.

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 11:41 AM

True- technically ED hasn't yet been used in the Ratner project but certainly the threat of it has always been. Ratner said that from the beginning. If they do go ahead with ED, there will be some brownstone blocks that will be lost. And certainly a lot of businesses are being displaced.

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 11:42 AM

ED changed the face of Times Square which we probably all agree was a very good thing for the city. On the flip side, it also help create housing projects which are the worst form of low income housing imagineable. At least in Chicago they had the common sense to use ED to tear down Cabrini-Green in 2003.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/11/60II/main532704.shtml

NYC should do the same.

Posted by: BrownBomber at May 3, 2006 11:52 AM

11:03, if you will stop complaining about the troll, stop talking about the troll, stop engaging the troll and generally stop doing everything that he hopes you will do, he will probably go away.

Posted by: Brownstoner at May 3, 2006 12:00 PM

The only "brownstone block" (singular) that will be lost via AY is Dean, between Flatbush and 6th, and even a small part of that is commercial. The rest of the footprint is comprised of warehouses (either residential or commercial) and railyards. As David has pointed out, there are very few owners and tenants left at this point and the alleged victims of any ED threat were paid handsomely.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 12:05 PM

"A lot of businesses being displaced"??? There are 18 commercial buisnesses on the site; of that 11 are either gas stations/auto repair(4); Truck rentals(2) or stroage facilites(5).
And what block slated for demo can honestly be called a "Brownstone Block"

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 12:09 PM

By the end of 2009, all 53 of Chicago’s public housing high-rises will be gone.

Housing projects are a failure. They trap families into a cycle of poverty that lasts for generations. NYC should us ED to demolish every single last one of them!!

Read the article.

Posted by: BrownBomber at May 3, 2006 12:09 PM

Mr. B- was simply letting David know that there was one and it was using other's names. You could have emailed me that instead of doing it publically.

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 12:11 PM

Can we please not get belligerent here over every statement? Brownstones will be razed- I'm not claiming they're landmark buildings. And if it was your business, and it may be hard if not impossible to start over somewheres else, you wouldn't be so blase. I did read somewheres it was more than 18, but I can't remember the exact number or where I read it. I'm sure I'll be taken to task over that too now.

Well it looks like we're going down that same route again so I think I'm finished with this thread.

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 12:17 PM

Bx2Bklyn - I knew your agreement (@11:03) couldnt last, but sorry, pointing out the # and type of biz being displaced is not "belligerent" by any definition and in fact such data (from DEIS) is essential to make the 'distinctions' regarding the appropriate use of ED that you mention in the same (11:03) post.

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 12:29 PM

"Well it looks like we're going down that same route again so I think I'm finished with this thread."

In other words, facts are getting in the way of your case. Agree with him or not, David supports his arguments with numbers - if you have something concrete to disprove him, please post it. No one's berating you for your views, just asking that you provide some evidence for your statements.

IMO, displacing a handful of busineses, owners, and renters (about a total of 80 for all three groups) is a fair trade for 900 units of affordable housing.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 12:34 PM

Kelo was my favorite case last year because it blew so many people's minds. But I applaud Bloomberg for his progressive views on eminent domain, which are directly counter to the conservative goals of small-government Republicans and other conservative activists (which NoLandGrab hilariously calls "progressive activists"). Brave move for somebody who makes any claim to GOP membership, but a practical position for anybody who actually has to govern.

Posted by: kieranyler at May 3, 2006 12:48 PM

I'm still not disagreeing with your 10:59 post- I'm just objecting to the way everyone jumps on every statement and goes for the throat. We can't even disagree civilly. The fact is brownstones will be lost, and so will businesses. Those are facts.

Anon- facts aren't getting in the way of my case because those are facts. How can I prove what everyone knows are facts. Just because I didn't say how many? That wasn't my point. And IMO- we'll see how much affordable housing gets built onsite (I got the AY brochure too- nice little fluff piece), but why should it be at the price of taking it from someone else? ANd there are more than 80 people being displaced (or bought out), not to mention that those businesses also provide jobs. What about those families and the business owners who are impacted? According to the federal government, the engine of the economy is actually the small businesses all across the country so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them. (It was in the papers- you can find it yourself.)

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 12:53 PM

Well Bx2Bklyn I wasnt uncivil (nor was anyone else)...and while you may not have used #s you (and many other anti-AY people) use language which (IMO) misleads.

When you say "a lot" of buisness will be displaced - I think it makes people think of dozens of companies with hundreds of workers, not less than 20 the majority of which are gas stations, auto repair or storage (far from irreplaceable engines of economic growth)
and when you say "Brownstone blocks" - I think it creates the impression of wholesale destruction of scores of gorgeous houses with historical detailing containing hundreds of families - not a bunch of rundown 4 story apartment buildings that currently have 57 renters living in them.

I certainly (and I think most) sympathize with the biz owners who will be displaced as well as the renters and condo owners but you have to put it into perspective - well over 1000 people should be living in affordable housing as a result of the project and I am willing to bet that more wages will be earned in the demolition of the AY site then will have been earned in the prior 10 years at the (to-be) displaced buisnesses. Not to mention that all displaced individuals will receive some compensation (of some sort).

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 1:17 PM

"Mr. B- was simply letting David know that there was one and it was using other's names. You could have emailed me that instead of doing it publically."

Indeed! The service at this restaurant is horrible!

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 1:29 PM

Bx2B,
The troll impersonated us too in that post but we didn't want to fan the flames anymore. There were actually two trolls--we think--and they should be blocked now. 'Nuf said.

Posted by: Brownstoner at May 3, 2006 1:32 PM

Thanks Mr. B- I kinda wondered since I have never seen you operate that way.

David- we're arguing semantics. I'm with Brownstoner on this- it makes me uncomfortable and I think it's a terrible precedent to look solely at the numbers. I know democracy is founded on majority rules, but the Constitution built in protections for everyone. I'm overstating this I realize, but look at countries that terrorize their minorities because they are the majority. A bit of a stretch and I am not equating Ratner with Bosnia or Hitler- but rather I am wondering who has the right to decide these things? And to whose benefit? How is the process going to be fair to everyone (as much as possible), without this becoming a country where if you have enough money or clout, the government gives you someone else's private property because you want an upscale shopping mall. Which will of course generate jobs, etc.- but where does it stop?

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 1:50 PM

Probably not a good idea to ban the trolls, Mr. B. If one of them knows where you work, he might just drop a dime on your lilly white ass.

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 2:08 PM

"Bx2Bklyn" troll -- if you're going to impersonate someone, at least attempt to get her writing style down. You're like the worst troll ever.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 2:20 PM

The constitutional 'protection' is already there (clearer than virtually any other provision) - "Just compensation"

Who has the right to decide these things - your elected representitves - ED is a governmental power... if you think that your representitve is too loose with using it - vote for some new ones.

Look I'm not saying a municipality or a State couldnt (or shouldnt)(thoughtfully) put into place more protections surrounding ED use in non-infrastructure situations, but much of the rhetoric (and legislative proposals) go far beyond this and effectively remove ED from ever being used - which as Bloomberg pointed out is a HUGE mistake

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 2:25 PM

Right, can't look solely at numbers but can't ignore them. When we are talking about development of thousands of units compared to moving out a couple dozen.
Also - businesses are 'displaced' all the time. I don't know which businesses are being 'displaced' because they are tenants and current landlord is evicting/not renewing lease..or new landlord/Ratner is evicting. But that issue is not ED.
That's leasing/renting property rules.
The only businesses you can talk about in regard to ED are those that own land and refuse to sell.Same for residential tenants/landlords.
Yes, there are dangers of abuse to ED...but as mayor points out economic stagnation without it.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 2:31 PM

I would say we also should more clearly define "just compensation." Who decides and what factors into it. I know you will say market values and things you can count, but for instance, in Kelo, elderly people are being forced to give up homes they've owned for decades. I imagine they have a different view of what just is. that said, I know ED is a necessary evil and it is self-defeating to rule it out altogether. That is something I have never advocated. But I also believe that private developer projects should have a much greater burden of proof and must do everything possible to not use ED. I honestly believe Ratner could have achieved the same end result if he had thought a little more imaginatively.

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 3, 2006 2:50 PM

Under Kelo, eminent domain for "Atlantic Yards" is unconstitutional. don't matter if it effects one or dozens. unconstitutional is unconstitutional.

and for anyone who thinks the threat of eminent domain is not real, it is the only thing that has enabled Ratner to dismantle a perfectly fine set of blocks in Prospect Heights. If you like the idea of a private entity using the threat of a government power, without that government's approval of that power, then good luck to y'all.

Posted by: deg at May 3, 2006 4:03 PM

With all the back and forth going on here it is hard to figure out what the facts are. Does anyone NOT FROM FCR OR DDDB have hard facts on the real number of people who are being displaced from their homes and the number of businesses being kicked out. My humble impression is that the numbers are not that high especially in relation to the number of new homes and economic opportunities that will be created.
Thanks

Posted by: Cracked Facade at May 3, 2006 4:04 PM

Deg- care to explain how you read Kelo as ruling ED @ AY unconstitutional?

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 4:08 PM

Deg - I think you need to get your law degree renewed. Kleo said that ED for AY is fine. It is unconstitional to use ED to bestow a purely private benefit, but the fact that Ratner stands to make the most money of anyone here does not meant that their are not other "public" benefits. Economic activity and low income housing help AY pass muster for Kelo purposes. In fact Kelo defers to the judgement (good or bad) of local governments to determine what public needs justify the use of the takings power.

Sorry for the multiple postings.

Posted by: Cracked Facade at May 3, 2006 4:11 PM

Cracked I am not from FCR and the data I gave you (3 condo owners; 57 renters and 18 bizs) came from the Draft Scope of Analysis prepared by the Empire State Development Corporation

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 4:15 PM

Another landslide victory by the home team! David 119 - AY Opposition 14.

Posted by: BrownBomber at May 3, 2006 4:21 PM

oh puh-leeze brownbomber. Grow up.

Posted by: feeling puckish at May 3, 2006 4:34 PM

I would venture to guess then that the 57 renters are rent controlled/stabilized tenants that have right of renewal no matter who landlord is. I wouldn't pack up and leave myself without 'relocation package'. Here again if Ratner BUYS the building directly from landlord - displacing those tenants in not eminent domain - but has to follow RS/RC regs.
Wonder about the 18 businesses. Are they renters (that can eventually be evicted) or owners of property that can't.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 4:47 PM

For the most part, people who live in the projects deserve to live there. They have made some bad decisions and I feel sorry for them in that respect, but there is such a thing as accountability in life, is there not? These people have to learn that bad decisions have consequences, and among these consequences is life in the projects. That is just the way life is...for me, for your, for all of us.

Posted by: feeling puckish at May 3, 2006 5:25 PM

I know Puckish, and you, my trolling friend, are not Puckish.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 5:34 PM

fp troll at 5:25- How would you know about accountability in life? You're posting under other people's names and let me be absolutely clear- the sentiments you expressed in your post are nothing like what I believe. You seem to be making loads of bad decisions- I can't wait till you pay some consequences.

Posted by: feeling puckish at May 3, 2006 5:38 PM

PJ Clarke's - at 55th and 3rd - great example of why eminent domain absolutely sucks. Now a landmark 19th century building and successful business. Check out the black monolith behind it, which was still built despite the fact that they no doubt wanted to tear it down.

Posted by: chuck at May 3, 2006 5:51 PM

Is it a question of the possability of using it or is it a justificatition for the obvious.
The citizens of this City have been the victims of eminent Domain for years. It's just called "Developement".
Katan, Gutman, Boymelgreen, and the rest of them have enjoyed themselves at the expence of every small home owner for years. Even the "News Paper of record" has jumped on the band wagon. Throwing small buisness' and renters to the streets and using tax dollars earmark for the redevelopement of downtown Manhattan.
Eminent Domain. What do you call it when a Billioare Developer takes over and area then does anything and he wants - including breaking the law and leaving a trail of death and destruction. All with the blessings and help of our Government.

Posted by: TheDeal at May 3, 2006 5:54 PM

I totally agree, anon 5:54. I so miss all of those vacant lots that decorated Brooklyn prior to the arrival of the developers. I submit that we tear it all down and only permit displacement through gentrification, er, excuse me, "organic development".

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 6:07 PM

answer to the two below:

Cracked, I don't have a law degree. but i did read the Kelo decision. did you? if not, read it. if so, re-read it.

and David, here is the explanation:
the majority makes it VERY clear that when you have a favored developer (developer driven project) and no legislative planning process (developer driven project) what you have, then, is a violation of the Constitution, the Fifth Amendment.

Bruce Ratner and his Atlantic Yards are the poster child of that combination.

Cracked, you are exactly right, local governments need to determine what public needs justify the use of the takings power. No local government has or will make such a decision for "Atlantic Yards."

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Deg- care to explain how you read Kelo as ruling ED @ AY unconstitutional?

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 04:08 PM

Deg - I think you need to get your law degree renewed. Kleo said that ED for AY is fine. It is unconstitional to use ED to bestow a purely private benefit, but the fact that Ratner stands to make the most money of anyone here does not meant that their are not other "public" benefits. Economic activity and low income housing help AY pass muster for Kelo purposes. In fact Kelo defers to the judgement (good or bad) of local governments to determine what public needs justify the use of the takings power.

Sorry for the multiple postings.

Posted by: Cracked Facade at May 3, 2006 04:11 PM

Posted by: deg at May 3, 2006 6:32 PM

Eminent Domain abuse is obviously a serious issue, and the topic forces us to re-examine the core principles upon which our country was founded.

But Bloomberg's comment was totally reasonable, and a total compromise. The question shouldn't be whether Eminent Domain should exist but how to curtail its abuse.

Meanwhile, I don't live on the handful of properties that will be demolished when the arena goes up. But I do live in one of the gazillion other Brownstones throughout Brooklyn, which will be positively affected by the development, and frankly, I say "DROP THE WRECKING BALL!!!"

I should add some conditions: first, the arena and buildings MUST be tasteful and well thought out. They must attempt to IMPROVE quality of life in Brooklyn. Furthermore, ejected residents should be properly compensated.

I think a lot of the anti-Eminent Domain folks out there really don't want Brooklyn to change; or don't want it to progress, at least in the manner it is progressing. But you can't stop this kind of development, particular in an urban environment in which things move so quickly - so be thankful you enjoyed the time you did here, and if you prefer a more stable, slow moving environment, don't live in New York City.

Posted by: Ed at May 3, 2006 7:07 PM

you guys don't get it. there is a clear distinction between "gentrification" and eminent domain. go figure it out.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 7:08 PM

Okay guys...the trolls are really coming out of the workwork this time. None...I repeat, none...of the posts appearing under my name earlier in this thread are mine.

Is there nothing we can do about this?

Posted by: feeling puckish at May 3, 2006 7:43 PM

Displacement is displacement. Whether by eminent domain or by gentrification, people get displaced. My point above is that the very people who decry the former, often approve (perhaps silently) the latter. If someone is displaced via eminent domain, it's a crime; if the same person is displaced by so-called "organic development", then that's progress. Go figure.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 8:25 PM

Deg - you might have a point... if what you said was anywhere written in the majority opinion...but it isnt.

Posted by: David at May 3, 2006 9:06 PM

Who even needs eminent domain when there is arson. Prospect Heights? Greenpoint?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 10:52 PM

Let's go Nets!

Posted by: Anonymous at May 3, 2006 11:10 PM

Gentrification is not all bad, folks. And neither is eminent domain.

Posted by: Ed at May 4, 2006 1:51 AM

no, eminent domain is not bad. but when it is perverted, abused and combined with cronyism and blight it IS bad.

David, I've read the majority and the concurring majority by Kennedy, and thats what it says. sorry.

Posted by: deg at May 4, 2006 2:14 AM

Say, can anyone recommend a good lubricant?

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 4, 2006 8:03 AM

Deg, your 6:32 post about not having a law degree is spot on - you clearly dont have a law degree!

The only controlling opinion is the majority (concurring's are nice but are not binding) nor does Kennedy say "that when you have a favored developer and no legislative planning process what you have, then, is a violation of the Constitution, the Fifth Amendment" - care to cite a paragraph for your interp??

What Kennedy says is that if you have a taking (ED) that benefits a private party with only incidental or pretextual benefits to the community then HE believes that would be unconstitutional. - However he along with the majority give wide latitude as to what are public benefits and include predicted (doesnt have to be realized or universally agreed) economic gains for a community.

Now if you think that 1000 units of affordable housing, an arena, the covering of an open railyard, and future promised economic activity are simply pretextual public benefits then I suggest you get support to fight any ED petitions back to SCt and in front of Kennedy - but I assure you that if you base your opposition on that theory; your total trip - to the 2nd Circuit (and back)- will only take slightly longer than my walk over to the Nets Arena that WILL be standing on Atlantic and Flatbush

Posted by: David at May 4, 2006 10:52 AM

okay david you are right and I am wrong. as is Eminent Domain expert Columbia Law school professor Thomas Merrill, who is a SUPPORTER of the expansive use of eminent domain, who said that the people fighting Ratner's ue of eminent domain would have won that case (see below). yes the controlling is the majority and implicit in the majority is what is explicit in Kennedy's concurring, which I explained above. Keep on not agreeing, thats fine. thankfully you are not a judge.

yes:

In last week’s 5-to-4 decision in Kelo v. the City of New London, the U.S. Supreme Court Justices for the majority tamely deferred to a municipality’s determination that the destruction of homes in a working class neighborhood in order to build a commercial development constitutes a valid “public purpose.” To civil and property rights advocates, the decision marks a further erosion of the protections afforded by the Constitution and goes a great way to rendering the Fifth Amendment a dead letter. While the Justices for the majority held that municipalities could best “discern[] local public needs,” Justice O’Connor, in her remarkable dissent, pointed out that it was naive to solely rely on local politicians and legislators who are often in thrall to big developers. Thus, there was something distressing in the tone of triumphalism that marked some commentators’ reactions to the decision. Charles Gargano, chairman of the Empire State Development Corporation, hailed the decision as “good news,” noting that “eminent domain can be used to great effect.”(1) Mr. Gargano derives much of his authority from his ability to wield eminent domain; thus, it is not unusual that he would praise his most trusted weapon. Likewise, the statement of the New York Times, who in a June 24, 2005 editorial called the decision “a welcome vindication of cities’ ability to act in the public interest,” is self-serving in the extreme, as the Times used eminent domain to drive out businesses for the construction of its new headquarters in Times Square. Locally, we have Newsday heralding the decision as giving the green light to the Times’ partner-in-eminent-domain-crime Bruce Ratner and his plans to build a high-rise and arena complex in Prospect Heights. According to Newsday, “Ratner needs help. He does not need new legal hurdles to jump.” (2)

But perhaps Ratner will still have his work cut out for him if he intends on using eminent domain. Indeed, upon a closer study of the Kelo decision, and in particular Justice Kennedy’s concurring opinion, we find the Justices of the Court describing a scenario where eminent domain is susceptible to challenge in court. First, it must be noted that the situation in New London is clearly distinguishable from Ratner’s plans for Prospect Heights. In that case: (1) the state declared in 1990 that the entire city of New London was “distressed;” (2) the city entertained six alternate proposals; and (3) the city had not chosen the developers for the project at the time the city council approved the plan. In contrast, Atlantic Yards has been a plan driven by a single developer, and the city and state has acted more as giving the rubber stamp. Further, Justice Kennedy wrote: “transfers intended to confer benefits on particular, favored private entities, and with only incidental or pretextual public benefits, are forbidden” by the Constitution. Taking these facts and statements into account, one could easily come to the same conclusion as one eminent domain expert, who commented, “The court responded more favorably to New London than they would have if it had been the Ratner plan they were considering.”(3)

In Kelo, the Court acknowledged that individual states still retain the power to restrict eminent domain, and perhaps the decision will galvanize citizens to force their legislatures to follow the lead of states like Utah, whose governor on March 17, 2005 signed into law a bill effectively prohibiting eminent domain for economic development. In the meantime, the Kelo decision does provide room to maneuver for opponents of Ratner’s plans for Prospect Heights. Recent history has informed us that it is unwise to accept unquestioningly a determination that an economic benefit justifies the use of eminent domain. Last year, the Michigan supreme court reversed itself and ruled that the City of Detroit had acted unconstitutionally in 1982 when it destroyed 1,500 homes, 16 churches, 144 businesses, two schools and a hospital in order to build a General Motors assembly plant. As it happened, the project ended up employing less than half the people expected and was a fiscal disaster for the city. Here in Brooklyn, we can ill-afford to wait 25 years to undo the dismantling of our communities.

(1) Quoted in “Property Ruling Could Affect N.Y. Development,” by Julie Satow, New York Sun, June 24, 2005, p. 6.

(2) “Taking' for public good: Supreme Court's property decision is logical but could easily be abused,” Newsday, June 27, 2005.

(3) Professor Thomas Merrill, quoted in Satow, supra FN 1.

Posted by: deg at May 4, 2006 11:31 AM

Deg your reading comprehension is seriously flawed:

You say:
"Thomas Merrill,said that the people fighting Ratner's use of eminent domain would have won that case"

Yet the article you post - which itelf is quoting another article - that is quoting Merrill - actually says:"
“The court responded more favorably to New London than they would have if it had been the Ratner plan they were considering.”

All this after you posted @4:03:
"Under Kelo, eminent domain for "Atlantic Yards" is unconstitutional."
- which of course NO ONE is saying.

I know you want what you write to be true - but wanting it to be true and it actually being true are totally seperate.

Posted by: David at May 4, 2006 11:49 AM

ok david, what does Merrill mean then by "more favorably" a 4.5 4.5 court split?

i say unconstitutional, you say not. we'll see when it goes to court.

Posted by: deg at May 4, 2006 12:16 PM

Deg, is your handle comprised of Daniel Goldstein's initials?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 4, 2006 12:29 PM

I think too much anger is focused towards developers and the money they make, rather than their contributions. Love 'em or hate 'em, they've made NYC the greatest city in the world.

They should certainly be required to develop according to certain standards. Those standards should be the primary focus.

But why not turn dilapidated rail yards into something great?


Posted by: Ed at May 4, 2006 1:48 PM

I think too much anger is focused towards developers and the money they make, rather than their contributions. Love 'em or hate 'em, they've made NYC the greatest city in the world.

They should certainly be required to develop according to certain standards. Those standards should be the primary focus.

But why not turn dilapidated rail yards into something great?


Posted by: Ed at May 4, 2006 1:51 PM

I agree Ed. Was is not developers who built all of those beautiful brownstone communities in New York City? They can't all be bad, right?

Posted by: BrownBomber at May 4, 2006 7:54 PM

Does that report in Daily Gotham about the secret deal Ratner has regarding surrounding neighborhoods make anyone wonder? I don't know that they would hold up in court (but hey, I'm not a lawyer) but in this case it seems to allow Ratner to do whatever he wants, wherever he wants. If Mole333 i misrepresenting the facts, it certainly is easy enough to prove under the FOI Act.


http://dailygotham.com/blog/mole333/secret_development_deals_and_why_i_oppose_bloomberg

Posted by: Bx2Bklyn at May 5, 2006 10:06 AM

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