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April 17, 2006

Kolbe Windows Looking Pretty Good From Here

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We've been digging the windows the owner who's gut reno'd this place on Waverly put in recently. There's something about them that looks very solid--in contrast to the Pellas we installed in our house last year. The windows are by Kolbe, a manufacturer we haven't heard much about. Interestingly enough, the owner of the house, whom we met on the street one day, runs a Brooklyn-based window company--we just can't remember the name--and had great things to say about them. So, experiences with Kolbe?
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Posted by: TW at April 17, 2006 12:21 PM

See, Brownstoner? now nobody trusts anything you say.
Those actually do look pretty solid, though.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 17, 2006 2:07 PM

Only kidding to make a point...

Posted by: TW at April 17, 2006 2:26 PM

2:07, I hope your first comment was totally tongue in cheek.

For cryin' out loud, give the man a break. Brownstoner started this blog as a way to connect to others who share in his interests, including renovation. Product and services come from somewhere and someone. Is he not allowed to recommend or ask questions about relevant products and services? The forum is chock full of other people doing the same, why not the man who makes it possible? Sheesh!

BTW - I have heard good things about this company and their product. Their windows are being used more and more by people who want a period look to their replacement windows, with good quality, as well as good looks. Ain't cheap, but the good stuff never is.

Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at April 17, 2006 2:32 PM

if those windows are by kolbe & kolbe, which they probably are, then they are some of the best solid-wood windows on the market, just short of teak/mahogany split frames by companies like Duratherm or Reilly Woodworks (the two best wood window manufacturers in the the US, BTW)

Posted by: Anonymous at April 17, 2006 2:35 PM

I am obsessed with this house, as well as the other two on the same block that are still in disrepair. Anyone know anything about the other buildings?

Posted by: lesterhead at April 17, 2006 2:41 PM

Brownstoner -- what don't you like about your Pella windows?

Posted by: anon at April 17, 2006 2:56 PM

i guess those other two buildings are in dispute within a family. there was an old woman living in one of them even just a year ago. from the front and the back those two buildings look like their going to take a whole lot of cash to fix. the other two gut reno's next door are being done very nicely.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 17, 2006 3:11 PM

is there window envy going on?

Posted by: Anonymous at April 17, 2006 4:24 PM

I have Kolbe windows at my house on the corner of Gates and Cambridge. They're 2 years old. I love them and I think the company is solid. I think you pay a tad less than Marvin and get the same quality and fewer headaches. To me, Pella is suburban style of window and its look is flimsier (I don't know if it is actually flimsier or if it's just bc most Pella models have thinner sash profiles. Only 2 caveats to my Kolbe windows. 1) The argon gas is so effective, you can barely feel the sun in the winter which, while ultra-efficient, is kind of sad. 2) the balance mechanisms are no match for the old weight-and-chain, and sometimes the upper sash slips, making it hard to close and lock the two sashes against each other. Both these complaints, however, are probably not specific to Kolbe.

Posted by: anon at April 17, 2006 4:55 PM

Right you are anon at 4.55PM. I have similar issues (among others) with my Marvins.

Posted by: crouchback at April 17, 2006 5:22 PM

Just by way of sharing, I suggest checking out Jen-Weld windows (their custom lines) at a decent window store. I believe the quality to be quite good and the prices are reasonable (far less than Marvin).

Posted by: Anonymous at April 17, 2006 10:49 PM

Exactly what kind of windows are those? I'm entertaining the idea of getting new windows after I remove the grotesque BARS that currently exist on my Parlor floor now. I have no problem with Brownstoner giving us a heads up on things that could help an otherwise uninformed new brownstone owner!!

Posted by: NewStoner at April 18, 2006 11:45 AM

The Company that supplies these In Brooklyn has a showroom in Dumbo 45 main I believe.Heights Historic I have seen there sign on 43 South Portland. A beautiful restoration by the way in Fort Greene. Kolbe has a huge advantage over most windows for Landmarks districts. a 10 year warranty on there Painted K.Kron exterior finish. & you are correct Pella is too flimsy they make a insert unit(frame & SasH0 that is thinner than Kolbes Sash alone. Pella may be 5% less in cost but from experience Especially with large units is no match In performance.

Posted by: peatman at April 18, 2006 6:23 PM

I'm just looking at replacing my 14 year old Pella windows, they are junk, most are totally rotten. I am looking at Kolbe & Kolbe with the PDL's, Any problems with these and any complaints with cleaning and dirt sitting in the crevaces?

Posted by: cindy at May 2, 2006 6:19 PM

I've had Koble wood casement windows for almost 10 years and have been battling with Koble since day 1 on the "film" mark left below the windows that attract dirt. They say it's only dirt although my husband SCRUBS the siding twice a year to only have it ruining our siding over the decade and the windows still look like crap. We figure it must be a UV coating or something? I would NEVER buy Kolbe AGAIN!!!!!!!!
PS 2 vinyl Koble windows on our garage dont have the same problem and they can't explain it, yet wont do anything about the rest of the house? Thanks for nothing!
PSS Our neighbors have asked what happened to our house and we gladly explain we have Koble windows.

Posted by: guest at November 7, 2007 1:16 PM

I designed a beatiful home and wanted to put in quality widows. I had heard good things about Kolbe so I went with them....oops! The windows look beautiful but that's it! The distributor delivered smashed window frames both on the interior side and exterior, but didn't document it properly so therefor "wasn't responsible" because it must have happened at installation. It tooks months to get Kolbe's rep out here and when she finally came, there was no evidence of a problem because we fixed it and wanted to move in. I', not delaying a move in on their ineptness. Their sound insulation quality sucks and the company rep. was an arrogant pain in the ass who only tried to placate me and then called me a liar. Customer service MY ASS. I can NEVER RECOMMEND a company with such poor representation.

Posted by: guest at December 31, 2007 2:45 PM

Look into the Pella Architect series. They are beefed up and historically correct. The new york Historical Preservation society actually ranks and prefers Pella at the top of the list. Pella is also less than a handful of windows that is registered with the national parks service as being historically accurate and allowed to be used on those projects.

Posted by: guest at May 2, 2008 10:17 AM

Look into the Pella Architect series. They are beefed up and historically correct. The new york Historical Preservation society actually ranks and prefers Pella at the top of the list. Pella is also less than a handful of windows that is registered with the national parks service as being historically accurate and allowed to be used on those projects.

Posted by: guest at May 2, 2008 10:18 AM

We use Pella all the time in the city especially on Historic projects. they have an awesome team and support it just depends on who you use. Look them in their manhattan office and ask for Brian. He is who we deal with and things go smoothly. They really know their stuff there. They will also tell you if they can't do a job and not just sell you something to get a dollar and then leave you hanging after the issues reveal themselves.

Posted by: guest at May 2, 2008 10:20 AM


I work for Kolbe and although I have not been with them long I have to say from my 20 years in the construction industry they are solid. I toured their factory and what I saw was hard working PEOPLE. Not robots with assembly lines. One of the points in taking the job was their family environment. They have the size and volume to lead a typical corperate red tape and "guru Im better than you" attitude that I have seen all to well with large companies.. but it doesnt exist with Kolbe. They are a flexible unit with a laid back atmosphere that obviously has stuck to some moral grounding. They market the higher end for a reason and that reason is simply quality is better than quantity.

Posted by: guest at May 6, 2008 5:51 PM

I have been in the luxury wood clad window industry for over 22 years and have seen all the competition. In my opinion Kolbe has one of the best products on the market in their "Ultra" series extruded aluminum clad window, period. They are clean looking and have tons of options and with a 30 year warranty on their exterior paint finish and stainless steel hardware as standard. Compare that to your overpriced competitors. As far as backing the product, every major brand will just about bend over backward to take care of a customer. Sounds like some comments above should be directed at the dealer they worked with and not the manufacturer. Don't believe everything you read from a pissed off person! Shop the products and decide for yourself, if Kolbe built nothing but crap they wouldn't be in business for over 60 years. I also would highly recommend Loewen windows for top of the line quality.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 2:18 PM

My wife and I built a new house 11 years ago. We thought Kolbe & Kolbe windows would be good windows. Wrong! Three rotted out while still in the 10 year warranty period. Three more were rotted this year when we opened them up. I've yet to see a Kolbe & Kolbe rep. My builder and his distributor took care of them in the first 10 years. Neither one of them use Kolbe & Kolbe any more.

Posted by: guest at May 30, 2008 2:07 PM

I assume you have Kolbe Kkron painted wood exterior windows not aluminum clad windows. All wood exterior windows, even Kolbe prefinished windows with Kkron paint need to be maintained regularly. Wood expands and contracts, so joints must be checked regularly and resealed, the install must not allow any moisture to get into the window frames. Did you even read the warranty? Sounds like your builder and distributer took care of the issues for the first 10 becuase they didn't tell you about the maintenance you are resposible for, and knew that the manufacturer could not help them due to failure to adhere to the warranty either that or they did a poor install. In fairness, you should call Kolbe directly and give them a chance, don't rely on your builder or distributer. In short, it doesn't sound like a product problem to me. Sounds like an install or maintenance issue.

Posted by: guest at May 30, 2008 4:13 PM

Well, you should know better than to assume.
They were top of the line kolbe windows, metal clad. Everyone of the windows that rotted, rotted out on the bottom of the window frame. Also, I said we haven't talked to kolbe rep, I didn't say that we haven't tried.

Posted by: guest at May 30, 2008 8:58 PM

You are right, I found they have been making roll form clad exterior since the 80's. Anyway, in my experience, I have never seen the bottom window frame rot out on a clad product unless from water intrusion due to poor installation/ flashing of unit or water intrusion from the roofline or soffit (and I am from Washington State where it rains and snows ALOT). If a frame corner leaks, it should be evident on the interior quite soon (not 11 years down the road) as the wood window frame will absorb the moisture causing staining of wood and/or lifting paint. All I am saying is there may be other reasons that the frame got wet and rotted and you shouldn't be so quick to blame the window manufacturer for your aggravations.Your windows can be water tested by Kolbe to find any leaks in the frame which would determine if the window was the culpret.Call Kolbe direct 800-955-8666 if you have problems, do not rely on your local rep if he has not taken care of you.
Hope your problem gets resolved.

Posted by: guest at June 3, 2008 4:47 PM

We are looking to purchase Kolbe vinyl windows for a new construction? Any comments/advice would be appreciated.

Posted by: guest at June 29, 2008 9:22 PM

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