Open House Picks
Park Slope
205 St. Johns Place
Zach Bayer
Sunday 1-3pm
$2,750,000
GMAP P*Shark
Prospect Lefferts
38 Rutland Road
Corcoran
Sunday 2:30-4:30pm
$1,395,000
GMAP P*Shark
Carroll Gardens
400 Bond Street
Realty Collective
Sunday 12-2pm
$1,350,000
GMAP P*Shark
Carroll Gardens
162 Douglass Street
Cobble Heights
Sunday 12-4pm
$925,000
GMAP P*Shark
Sunset Park
464 42nd Street
718-854-0065
Sunday 12-3pm
$768,000
GMAP P*Shark
82 Comments
By pk on February 10, 2006 11:45 AM
By jn on February 10, 2006 12:01 PM
Douglass St. is yucky. I saw it. It's across from projects, small, needs total gut. It was discussed here a while back. I think it was listed at 895K then, though I may be wrong. Yuck!
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 12:03 PM
The St. Johns Place house is on the same block where Colin and Kathryn Harrison live.
By jn on February 10, 2006 12:04 PM
Not to be a buzz-kill, but thumbs down on Bond Street, too. Horrible location--I lived a block away 10 years ago and my apt. was flooded with raw sewage b/c of storm backup from Gowanus Canal. The neighborhood is coming up a bit, but no changing geography. Stay away from Bond along the canal! I bet it's a FEMA flood zone--certainly should be.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 12:07 PM
And the pics for Bond street....what a joke!
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 12:14 PM
I wouldn't exactly call Bond Street "prime Carroll Gardens." Only good thing is the Sweet Melissa's not too far away on either Hoyt or Bond.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 12:18 PM
Re: Douglass St. It was next door #160 that was for sale before. Sold for $818k.
So this one should be able to negotiate quite a bit too as certainly needs work.....but you don't get those antique refrigerators for nothing :)
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 12:22 PM
Sorry - the reference to antique refriderator was from NYtimes realestate email update I received on this property- but don't see it on realtors website.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 12:23 PM
Rutland road is an interesting house. Middle parlor was ripped out to create a double height room on the garden floor. Not kosher historically, but kinda funky. The house is totally renovated--the kitchen is great. The current owners bought it in 2001 for 525,000, back when most houses in the area where in the mid 300's to low 400's.
But it is awfully close to Flatbush. And this is one of the bad corners that even the most ardent PLG lovers admit has hanging-out issues. I know people who live about 2 houses away and they complain about the noise from all-night hangers-out all the time.
By babs on February 10, 2006 12:24 PM
Not to mention the copy for Bond St. Just what are, "intimate Paris-style mornings?" Do they mean Paris, France, or Paris Hilton (or Paris, Texas)?
By babs on February 10, 2006 12:28 PM
Cool bit of history on the Douglass St house -- a 100 year-old rosebush. Gotta love the way the broker stresses the "laundry tree" -- ah, yes, the clotheslines of Brooklyn...
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 12:29 PM
Actually I wrote the wrong date re the Rutland Road house. Owners bought it for 525,000 back in 1998, when most houses in the manor were still under low 400's. (By 2001, 500's was the norm). Sorry...
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 12:56 PM
I like the Sunset Park House - nice details on an okay block. It's very close to the park, but below 5th Avenue. Seems to be a good deal. If it had a real ground floor as opposed to an English basement it would probably go for more than 800k. Great opportunity to turn into a one family.
By Anon on February 10, 2006 1:05 PM
The St John's Place house looks like a very fine building but also clearly needs significant updating. And what's with the funky 70s fireplace and beams -- presumably on one of the higher floors? There was another very similar house on this block for sale a couple of months ago for $2.95m if memory serves. That needed some work too. Wonder if it has sold yet and if so for what?
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 1:06 PM
12:23 PM, if you have worries about safety in or near PLG then go screw yourself. Jerk.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 1:08 PM
The Bond house has been on the market FOREVER.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 1:11 PM
To the 01:06 troll:
PLG doesn't need your help (if you can call it that) thanks for calming down.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 1:13 PM
Dear 1:08, my 12:23 post did not mention any worries about safety in PLG whatsoever! I was sharing information about the makeup of the house (which I have been in many times) and knowledge of its exact location. Stating that neighbors "complain about the noise from all-night hangers-out" does not constitute worrying about safety. Let's please not start that whole thing again--but people should be able to share info about properties.
By Brownnoser on February 10, 2006 1:13 PM
Here we go again. If anyone says anything that's less than glowing about Lefferts, there's hell to pay. Good grief.
By anonymous on February 10, 2006 1:14 PM
PLEASE STOP THIS DYSFUNCTIONAL ARGUMENT!!!!
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 1:18 PM
What is wrong with you people. Don't be so sensitive. This is crazy.
And by the way, I live in Bay Ridge. If anyone wants to criticize Bay Ridge, have at it!!!
By david z on February 10, 2006 1:28 PM
Back in 2004, that Bond St. building was tiny, drab, and overpriced at 800K. And it didn't sell, as far as I know. Now it is tiny, drab, and even more overpriced. I wish the owners luck. Prospective buyers should really see it--to believe how small it is.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 1:36 PM
Douglass street, Bond street, and Rutland road all seem crazily overpriced. Friends just last week signed on a 3 story in PS on 10th street and 6th ave. for 999,000. Smallish, but very nicely renovated, 4 bedrooms, sunny, and huge garden. Certainly not as much or as nice a house as Rutland, but much much nicer than than the other 2--and for a good Slope location at over 300,000 less than the Rutland and Bond houses.
By Bunky on February 10, 2006 1:47 PM
As an ardent defender of PLG, I did NOT find Nonny 12:23's comment about Flatbush Ave to be in the least bit inflammatory. No one said the place is perfect, and mentioning a bad corner is not going to get me going. That's a perfectly ligit complaint. A bad corner is a bad corner, no matter where it is. I live near Nostrand Ave, and would say the same thing about my corner, if anyone asked about where I live. The flame war is certainly not going to start here from me.
Pax!
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 2:05 PM
JN 12:04 pm: Bond Street is a flood zone. Check out the flood zone maps of Brooklyn on NYC's OEM website.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 2:09 PM
There's an open house on 215 Van Brunt in Red Hook that I saw CL...looks interesting
By CrownHeightsProud on February 10, 2006 2:20 PM
I enjoy looking at the listings, especially when they are accompanied by a lot of pics, but why, oh why, do brokers try to get so cute in the descriptions? Please just give me the facts, some real historical info if you have it, specs, etc. The rest of it is just so......treakley.
I also wish some of them would read up on brownstones, or old houses in general, before conducting tours. I was on one open house where the broker was asked why the dressing rooms on the bedroom floor had sinks, and the broker said that it was because the rest of the house did not have indoor plumbing. Really. I had to run from the room with my hand over my mouth. (This was a broker from a REALLY big firm, not a fly by night tiny brokerage.)
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 2:28 PM
I had hoped we'd heard the last of this whole PLG issue. Can't you people ever have done with anything? The rest of us are tired of reading this junk. Here's a peace proposal:
Critics of Lefferts: Instead of phrasing your worries/concerns in terms of Lefferts, phrase them move vaguely in terms of NE Brooklyn or something like that. In general, avoid terms like "Lefferts" and "PLG".
Residents of Lefferts: Please don't be overly sensitive and/or belligerent. If someone does say something you don't like about Lefferts, don't lash out at that person. Instead, feel free to criticize my nabe, Midwood. We're an easy target and we can handle it, so take your best shot!
Are both sides willing to abide by these proposals? If so, then we might be able to get back to a more interesting discussion.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 2:36 PM
2:28--I think these posts have already shown that people can say less-than-flatering things about PLG without insulting or inflaming anyone. So nice try, but the wars are over. (God willing).
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 2:37 PM
400 Bond is also a pretty long walk to the F train at Carroll (especially in the winter)
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 2:46 PM
Interesting to see an obvious troll in "support" of PLG. It wouldn't surprise me if "anonymous 1:06" was one of the trolls bashing Lefferts in earlier threads. With friends like this, who needs enemies?
I concur with my fellow PLG "defender", "Bunky" that "Nonny 12:23's" comment about the Rutland Road house was perfectly reasonable and by no means an attack on our neighborhood.
By Nonny on February 10, 2006 2:51 PM
I so love being called Nonny that I'm going to use it from now on. Glad I didn't upset or offend anyone.
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 2:55 PM
My first cat was named "Nonny" (short for "No Name"--she was a stray who just showed up one day). I have a realsoft spot for that nickname :-)
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 3:22 PM
The Red Hook property mentioned above is listed at 850K which seems high for that nabe. The house looked a little on the small side to me, but there is a garage which is rare. It's worth a look on Sunday. I wish I could see some interior shots.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 3:53 PM
Now THAT'S interesting. Now we know that Bob Marvin = Jamey = anonymous 1:06 = anonymous. How many hats can one dastardly troll wear?!
By Nonny on February 10, 2006 4:01 PM
Gee, this getting to be like survivor: blog island. What fun (not).
By Brownnoser on February 10, 2006 4:04 PM
I don't believe that anyone is "trolling" under multiple IDs, but I do believe that the ACCUSATION that people are doing this is ITSELF a form of trolling. So, please, CUT IT OUT!!! Things were just beginning to calm down in here.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 4:15 PM
Yes, thank you Brownnoser. The time has come for people to shut up already. I'm sick of this stupid bickering.
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 4:16 PM
I finally got around to actually looking at the photographs of 38 Rutland Rd. I know the house fairly well--we were friends of the people whon owned it in the early '80s (one family later than the owners who opened the floor between parts of the ground and parlor floors.).
The house has been on the PLG house tour at least twice, with different owners. Its a very nice house, IIRC and not all THAT close to Flatbush Ave. It's one of relatively few 4 story houses in PLG. Besides Rutland I, there are 4 story houses on parts of Midwood I, also in Lefferts Manor, and, outside LM, on Parkside I (great double duplexes) and Clarkson I (very much like the 4 story houses on Midwood I--my favorite Lefferts Manor block (BTW not the block my house is on). BTW, "Rutland I" is a common neighborhood shorthand expression for block location--Rutland I is between Flatbush and Bedford, Rutland II, Bedford & Rogers, III Rogers--Nostrand, IV Nostrand--New York and so on for all PLG blocks (except for Ocean Ave, Chester Court, Parkside Court, etc,, where it would make no sense). I have no idea how long that terminology has been in use--it probably dates back to the founding of the Lefferts Manor Association in 1919--maybe earlier.
I can't really comment on the price. $1.395 mil does seem high, but IIRC the other LM houses that sold in that range were 3 stories. FWIW, my own take on PLG house prices, based on 31 years of living there, but no great knowledge of the RE market, is that our houses cost half of those across the park in Park Slope. That was the case when I bought my house in 1974 and seems to still apply today (actually prices now might be SLIGHTLY more than half PS prices now, but not by much).
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 4:21 PM
"Bob Marvin = Jamey"
Heaven forbid!
Actually, I'm one of the few posters brave (or stupid) enough to post under my real name:-)
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 4:24 PM
Yes, but that wouldn't stop you from signing out as "Bob Marvin" and then simply posting as "Jamey" or "Anonymous" or even as "Brownnoser" or "Bunky". I don't know who you are, but you aren't fooling anyone.
By xxx on February 10, 2006 4:27 PM
STFU!!!!!!!!!!!
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 4:29 PM
I have no reason to think that Bob Marvin is trolling, but Brownstoner can settle this question by checking the IP address of the comments. If Bob, Jamey, Anonymous, Brownnoser, or Bunky have the same IP address, chances are good that they are the same person. BS can let us know.
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 4:29 PM
It wouldn't, but I don't--can't prove it, of course--proving a negative is SO difficult. You'll have to take my word for it (or not--I really don't care).
You are certainly right about one thing though--I'm not fooling anyone, nor do I care to try.
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 4:36 PM
I REALLY like Anonymous 4:29's suggestion.
I don't want to put you to any extra trouble, Mr.B, but if you happen to have the time....
And, BTW if Jamey, Brownnoser, and several of the anonymouses are NOT the same person, I'll be glad to apologise.
By Carlo on February 10, 2006 4:38 PM
If Brownstoner gets involved in this, I hope it is only to ban all parties on both sides. Let us simply stop talking about this. Period. If we stop talking about this, the problem will disappear.
That is all. Over and out.
By Jamey on February 10, 2006 4:41 PM
Nice try Lefferts Crybaby. Wah Wah Wah!!! Yes, check the servers because want my apology from Lefferts Crybaby.
Now go cry me a river, Mr. Crybaby.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 4:48 PM
Bob, I mentioned the Rutland Road house's closeness to Flatbush since my friends who live 2 or 3 houses away complain about the street noise. To be precise, it isn't really Flatbush that is the problem, but rather the apartment building on the corner--the people hang out on Rutland, not Flatbush.
It is a nice house, and while I personally wouldn't rip out a floor it is rather cool. But the Midwood house that went for this price was in super mint condition (as the realtors say), had brand new kitchen and baths, central AC, and a really nicely done basement (I saw it on a house tour). This house is certainly renovated, but not at all in the same league. And Midwood is a much nicer block. So I'd say the price for Rutland is too high.
By Nonny on February 10, 2006 4:49 PM
I forgot to sign the above (4:48).
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 5:01 PM
Nonny,
It's been MANY years since I've been inside 38 Rutland, so your assesment of the house's value is probably far more accurate than mine. I've already said that Midwood I is my favorite block in Lefferts Manor, so you'll get no argument from me there.
(My apologies to Maple II, the favorite of many, and to my own block which I dearly love, but which has less architectural variety than Midwood I).
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 5:04 PM
I quite like the place in Sunset Park, actually. It looks spacious, appears to have some sort of yard attached and there's some nice exposed brink. The price seems reasonable. This is the kind of place that a couple of not-terribly-well-to-do families could afford if they joined forces. And there are tons of places like this in Sunset Park.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 5:08 PM
It\'s interesting how Bob Marvin\'s posts have gotten all \"respectable\" all of a sudden.
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 5:15 PM
Actually, if you take the time to look at my posts on this thread and others, you'll see that they've alternated between "serious" posts about PLG (and occasional other topics) and attempts to expose irritating trolls (the later posts, I admit, being rather sarcastic).
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 5:31 PM
So you say.
And say.
And say.
And say.
And say...
By dt on February 10, 2006 5:36 PM
Bob, the troll is trying to get a reaction from you, must like a naughty child. It is really becoming clear that we are dealing with someone who has some need to cause arguments for no good reason. I, too, have suspected that the troll uses multiple names. Maybe we could respond to the attempts to get a reaction with a chant of "troll, troll, go away".
By linusvanpelt on February 10, 2006 5:38 PM
Bob M,
I think you're abt right re [prime] PLG's pricing being properly around half that in [prime] Park Slope. And if you look at the Park Slope house listed here, it's exactly the same size (4 fl, 20 x 45) -- and costs right about twice as much. The ask on this PLG house seems way more reasonable than the one a few weeks back which was asking about $500/sq ft.
But I think the value of the day is the Sunset Park house. Looks lovely, space galore, price is right. This is not a bad section of SP, is it?
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 5:44 PM
I think you are right Anonymous February 10, 2006 05:31 PM. He doth protest too much!
By linusvanpelt on February 10, 2006 5:46 PM
I do wonder, tho -- you say PLG was half the price of PS in 1974. God knows I wasn't here then, but have PS and PLG improved/changed the same amount in 30 years? (just in terms of amenities, etc., not trying to start another crime flame war)
You would know better than I would, but for this reason maybe the PLG house here is a little overpriced. But definitely better priced than what we've seen earlier.
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 5:47 PM
You know, that's tempting dt, but I don't think it'll work. Unfortunately, neither does the strategy I've tried over the last several days of confronting them and pointing out their tactics--trolls are nothing if not persistant.
I admit that I've had a LOT of fun confronting the trolls, but its getting kind of tiresome. I guess, the common admonition of "don't feed the troll" might be best after all.
Of course, if anyone (other than me) wants to try the chant of "troll, troll, go away" feel free :-).
For myself, I'll try to stick to commenting about my beloved PLG in positive ways (unless I get REALLY pissed off--but I should be able to restrain myself.
By Paul Giamatti on February 10, 2006 6:01 PM
PLG SUCKS! So do all of you! I'm going to piss on all of your front doors!
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 6:05 PM
linusvanpelt,
The Sunset Park house does seemwellpriced And looks liked A very nice house.FWIW I'm not that familiar with Sunset Park in recent years--I haven't been there since they stopped having house tours in the late'70s. I nhave rather fond memories of working with Bob Walsh, who was Sunset Park representative to the Old Brooklyn Brownstone Conference when I filled the same role for PLGNA. BBC used to coordinate (or at least try to coordinate) house tours in the various brownstone neighborhoods.
I wonder if someone who actually lives in Sunset Park Could comment on that house.My impression is that, at only two stories, it's fairly small, with only a floor-through for the owner. Nevertheless, each floor is about 10' deeper than my house.
FWIW there are many 2 story houses in Lefferts Manor (on Lincoln Rd., Maple St., Midwood Street, and Rutland Rd.) which might actually go for less, but they're not as deep (only about 40' I think) and can only be used for one family, so they'd cost more to operate.
By linusvanpelt on February 10, 2006 6:16 PM
Bob,
I thought the SP house was 3 floors, the third being a basement level floor. Don't I see windows at that level in the house next door in the photo? If not, then the equation changes.
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 6:23 PM
linusvanpelt (again),
to respond to your other post, no,PLG and PS have NOT improved equally in the last 30 years(in terms of amenities). I admit to doing much of my shopping in Park Slope, as do many of my neighbors. This has been a problem over all the years I've lived here. One cause, I think, is that the middle class population in PLG has been relatively small in absolute terms, largely because the 600 homes in Lefferts Manor are limited to single family use by zoning and deed covenant. This has many advantages for residents of the Manor, but shopping has suffered greatly.
I think this situation will change with increased interest in row houses outside of Lefferts Manor (which can be two or three family) AND with the large increase I've noticed, of middle class families in apartment buildings (most noticible, I think,on Ocean Ave facing Prospect Park).
By Rob on February 10, 2006 6:25 PM
LOL! The PLG contingent drives everyone away so they can have a group exercise in self-congratulation. Pathetic, and yet amusing...like the wounded bird one cannot bear to watch and yet cannot avert ones gaze from.
But anyway, you trolls...er, guys get back to sounding all somber and sincere now.
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 6:43 PM
linusvanpelt,
In response to your question about the size of the Sunset Park House, It looks to me like it's two stories plus a Cellar (more than 1/2 below grade) If I read the listing correctly there are only two floors of living space. Also, it appears to have a relatively low stoop and very small windows on the lower level. I may be wrong though--I wish somone who knows the block would join in.
The two story houses I referred to in my own neighborhood have a similar arrangement, with a lower level that has small windows and contains the furnace water heater, etc. Many larger brownstones have a lower floor that is technically a basement (more than half above grade) but is only a few inches below grade. My own house has a "basement" like that (although we always call it the ground floor)which contains a front dining room, rear kitchen, and various pantrys,laundry room, etc with a full (although windowless and completely below grade) cellar underneath.
By Deb on February 10, 2006 6:46 PM
Oh please no more Giamatti.
By linusvanpelt on February 10, 2006 7:39 PM
If it's a cellar I take it back. It's still a very nice looking house, but I think for that price you could get a similarly sized house in Bay Ridge, e.g., which I think should command a higher price. But maybe somebody from the neighborhood can chime in.
By Brownstoner on February 10, 2006 7:49 PM
This is all pretty tiresome. A review of the weblogs shows that:
1) Bob Marvin was not posting under multiple personalities;
2) Brownoser was in fact the one who posted the inciteful 1:06 post and then stirred up debate all the way through. Uncool.
3) The 6:01 poster needs to learn some manners too.
B
By Bob Marvin on February 10, 2006 7:50 PM
Thank you very much Mr. B!
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 7:55 PM
The Douglass St. house is pretty cool.
We just saw it today. It's nice that it's in original condition and for this neighborhood we've had a hard time finding a house under a million. The neighbor next door is doing a serious renovation and it looks like other neighbors have done interesting updates and extensions.
It would be nice if it was spring and the garden was in bloom, especially the 100 year-old rose bush.
But soon it snows and it will finally be winter in Brooklyn...
By dt on February 10, 2006 7:57 PM
Yes, thank you Brownstoner.
By Jamey on February 10, 2006 8:36 PM
But I am due an apology from Lefferts Crybaby. Come on crybaby! I am waiting.
By Carlo on February 10, 2006 8:58 PM
It did not seem to me that Brownnoser was the problem. He did seem irritable and frustrated with the squabbling, but many of us were, I suspect. But now is he banned or not? This is like a soap opera!
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 9:56 PM
A dysfunctional soap opera, perhaps. My guess is that Brownnoser will be banned. Someone on the PLG crew had it in for him and arranged it on the sly. Just a guess. Looking back at it all, Noser was not one of the haters.
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 10:36 PM
Sunset Park house is not a good deal. The people who state it is a good deal also state they are not familiar with SP. That's like saying I think a house in clinton hill is a good deal, but i don't really know what's going on in clinton hill. Location, location, location. Also: location.
By Sharon on February 10, 2006 10:40 PM
I\'m somewhat familiar with Sunset Park and I think it\'s a good deal. Sunset Park has some nice buildings, and it hasn\'t had the life \'gentrified\' out of it. It\'s also safer than, say, Lefferts. There plenty to be said for it.
By Bunky on February 10, 2006 10:47 PM
I went out to the movies and missed the real drama.
Nonny - glad you like it. Wear it well.
Bob - you are very cool in my book.
Brownstoner - thank you.
I'm going to repair some plaster this weekend, and probably shovel snow. Have a great weekend everyone.
By Brownnoser on February 10, 2006 10:56 PM
To the best of my knowledge, nothing has yet been resolved. However, I think we can all celebrate the coming of peace to this board. Too bad it took so long!
By Anonymous on February 10, 2006 11:19 PM
I have houses in Lefferts Manor and Sunset Park - very close to this one. SP is very cool, I personally prefer the blocks from 5th to 6th Aves as they are on top of the hill and further from the Gowanus Expressway. That said, some of the most beautiful blocks are between 4th and 5th. Most of the nicer houses are three floors and a cellar with the garden floor being at ground level. Then there are a lot of 2 1/2 story homes with English basements. Of course there are a scattering of 4 story brownstones as well, not to mention the tenements...
Fun nabe, nice park with a new waterfront park soon to arrive.
By Windsor Woman on February 11, 2006 12:44 AM
You are a nice person Brownnoser. I agree with you. Peace is the answer.
By Bx2Bklyn on February 11, 2006 1:43 AM
Well, that was interesting. I'm amazed at the detailed knowledge so many of you have about Brooklyn Neighborhoods- that what makes the forum so valuable. I know I learned a lot from reading Bob's and Linusvanpelt's posts. I did think the PLG house was really beautiful- it looks huge, but could that be the camera?
I agree with Crown Heights Proud about brokers. My favorite open house was one being held by a major Real Estate broker and asking about 1.3 mil. Yet they couldn't be bothered to remove the big pink toilet tank from the garden or the telephone dangling from the tree. And I won't begin to tell you about the totally cheesy kitchen they built (Home Despot all the way). And the new tile in the bathroom that stuck out about 2 inches from the wall because they simply laid it over the old tiles.
By the way, the City quite a few years ago began planning for Sunset Park to be an "up & coming" area. They have been upgrading technical resources in the area since before 2001, trying to attract hi-tech businesses. I was researching that when we were fighting to keep E278 open,
By Brownstoner on February 11, 2006 7:50 AM
We're turning off the comments on this thread.
Thanks to everyone who contributed useful on-topic content.

FYI-
Rutland Rd. links to PS listing on NYTimes.com