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February 28, 2006
House of the Day: 280 Washington Avenue
As close watchers of the market will remember, this mansion at 280 Washington Avenue, one of a pair built by the Pfizers in 1888, was listed at $3.595 million in January 2005 before disappearing a couple months later. Now it has resurfaced, again with Corcoran, at the asking price of $3.995 million, which is a smaller percentage increase than the overall Clinton Hill market in the past year. The house is mind-blowing in its detail, grandeur and condition. The real constraining factor is whether there are any people wealthy enough to buy it who are cool enough to be down with Clinton Hill!
280 Washington Avenue [Corcoran] GMAP P*Shark
Pfizer Mansion Hitting Market [Brownstoner]
Comments
Wow! What an amazing place -- and with parking, elevator, etc. Truly stunning, although I am not loving the "chic Moroccan party room" (exactly what is a Moroccan party anyway?). And I'm a bit concerned about its being used as a two family now when it's only a legal one -- will the tenant go willingly?
Posted by: babs at February 28, 2006 12:07 PM
And exactly why P. Hollins is so obsessed with penicillin I don't know, but maybe it's the drug-family tie-in here.
Posted by: babs at February 28, 2006 12:10 PM
I wish they have open house i would love to go inside.
I live on this block and walk by every day, it looks like facade need some work, but if you can afford this price tag it should not be a problem.
Posted by: malymis at February 28, 2006 12:38 PM
I'm sure I'm just one of many who has been watching this house with interest. It's almost too grand -- some of the detail is completely over the top -- and perhaps too big. Not really a family home, unless you have 10 kids, and I don't think there's a backyard since it appears to be built all the way through the block. Don't kill me for saying this but maybe it's best suited for an upscale, historically sensitive condo conversion?
Posted by: Anon at February 28, 2006 12:39 PM
12:39 pm, I totally agree. There's a new generation of young people who can appreciate that kind of workmanship without needing all that excessive space; let them take care of it as a group. It really is too much even for a 2 family.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 12:51 PM
Agree with the above--not something I'd want to live in at all. Perfect for an office, nonprofit, or something. But it could be made into condos without too much disruption to the house. Reminds me of my old school, Woodward, which was down the block in a building that is now coops. That was a grand space!
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 1:27 PM
brownstoner, puffing up prices in your hood is really unbecoming. way too expensive at 4M. at 2.5 maybe someone will bite. reminds me of the 4m house in victorian flatbush. great house, wrong nabe
Posted by: anon at February 28, 2006 1:28 PM
Parents almost bought this in 89 for a million. Nobody has lived in it for years -- it just keeps getting flipped between speculators.
total white elephant -- the fuel bill alone will kill you.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 1:37 PM
lets buy it and turn it into a social club for cool people with square glasses who can't afford the whole thing...
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 1:38 PM
anon, 1:28: making totally unjustified accusations is what's really unbecoming. Maybe this property is overpriced, but regardless I don't think 'Stoner was justifying it - he was merely pointing out the property, and pointing out that the percentage increase in price over the last year was less than the nabe average. 75% of what 'Stoner posts re pricing and 90% of what commenters post is disagreeing with pricing - that hardly qualifies as "puffing up prices" in his own hood. And don't think I'm just defending the 'Stoner. I also happen to agree with you re pricing. The difference being that I'm going to back that up rather than making baseless accusations. Check back later - after wasting my breath on you, I gotta get back to work, but will post more later.
Meanwhile, check out this listing for a rental in the next-door-neighbor, mirror-image Pfizer mansion:
http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&listingid=852610
Posted by: Mr. Minerva at February 28, 2006 2:06 PM
Oh, and by the way. Anonymous 1:37, you are also wrong. The house has had the same owner since 1989 - he has been living in it and renovating it since then. His name is Charles Davis. Here's an article in the Times on him and the house:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/nyregion/27brow.html?ex=1141275600&en=9b48fc22b6f90a5b&ei=5070
Sheesh.
Posted by: Mr. Minerva at February 28, 2006 2:09 PM
Annon 01:28 Regular brownstones on this street, 19/100, lot 5 story (this block has mostly tall ones) with good detail will sell 1.6 to 2 millions depend on the Reno.
So double lot 24 wide, with parking and with all this detail can be way over 3M.
So i think you should understand this nabe better before making such comment.
I do agree that it is difficult to picture living in this so overwhelming.
Posted by: malymis at February 28, 2006 2:40 PM
I don't think the price is outlandish - this place is 2 times the size of a large brownstone, is full of period detail and has historical provenance. The 1.25pm comment is from someone who clearly does not know the area well. Normal brownstones that have been restored in this area go for $2MM plus, so double the size plus provenance would seem to justify the asking price.
HOWEVER, I do agree that it will be difficult to find a buyer who will actually need close to 10,000 square feet of living space. Also, what is the deal with it being used as a two family now if it is legally a single family? Is there a tenant who won't leave?
Posted by: lp at February 28, 2006 2:42 PM
me and my morrocan party people will come in and take over the whole damn place!
we'll rip out the bathroom and put in a turkish hammam.
there will be hookahs smoking night and day!
plus some kind of funky self-replenishing olive dispenser ($1 for Kalamata, 50 cents for california)
i don't even want to tell you about the fun with the harem upstairs!!!
Posted by: tripster at February 28, 2006 2:52 PM
The home insurance alone would kill you.
Posted by: Miguel at February 28, 2006 2:56 PM
we moroccan party people don't need no stinkin; insurance!
Posted by: tripster at February 28, 2006 3:04 PM
It could make a nice B&B.
Posted by: Hal at February 28, 2006 3:13 PM
i'm sorry, i've seen this house come onto the market, go off the market, and come back again and again. even at the current asking price, i still have to think there's something horribly wrong with the structure if a 30+room mansion is only on the market for $3-4 million dollars. please, the "Moonstruck townhouse" is on the market for $5 million and it's half the size. come on people, take the rose colored glasses off!!
Posted by: Frank at February 28, 2006 3:59 PM
Frank has a point. While some think the price is too high, I think it is in line with the size of the place. It would command more if it was a freestanding place though. As it is, there is no outdoor space really, and beeing so long you have interior rooms that, although they are grand from the photos, have no windows. You'd have to check it out to see for yourself I'd think.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 4:11 PM
here's another queen anne mansion for $2.3mm on washington ave..
http://brownharrisstevens.com/detail.aspx?id=441961
Posted by: ltjbukem at February 28, 2006 4:19 PM
Charles Davis is my hero! He paid a little under $400k for 282 Washington in 1989 and sold it for $1.5m in '03, buyer flipped it in '05 for $1.9m (great deal too). I called Ms. Hollins for a showing the week 282 went into contract in '03. I still kill myself over that miss! More importantly, Mr. Davis also purchased the sister mansion at 280 Washington for a little over $400k in 1991 and is now seeking close to $4m (once bit, twice shy). Though 280 is grander and a much larger property than 282 Washington, he is determined not to undersell this building (but admittedly, $1.5m at that time for 282 was an obscene price at the time)! In any event, Kudos to him! He was smart and brave enough to buy and invest in Clinton Hill in the late eighties and early nineties and is certainly reaping the benefits now. God bless him!!!
Posted by: BrownBomber at February 28, 2006 4:35 PM
Floor plan is showing windows on interior rooms - and pics show stained glass windows.
And descript say 3 verandas - so doesn't sound lacking outdoor space either. I would venture that price isn't higher is that although much is improved there is more work to be done.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 4:36 PM
Sorry Frank, but Clinton Hill can't carry the prices Brooklyn Heights can. BH continues to appeal to the Wall St crowd because of its one-stop subway connection. It always has been and always will be a more blue-chip neighborhood. I'm pretty convinced the reason this is sitting on the market is what I (12:30pm post) and others have said about the excessive size of the house. It may not be over-priced on a per sq ft basis, it's just that most mere mortals don't need that kind of space.
Posted by: Anon at February 28, 2006 4:37 PM
Anon 4:37pm - while you make somewhat of a point in your analysis of BH vs CH being a "one stop subway ride favored by the wall street crowd", i still maintain that the difference between $1,202/sf for the Moonstruck house vs. $639/sf for the Pfizer mansion means there's got to be something basically wrong with the building that causes the /sf cost to be 53% apart.
Posted by: Frank at February 28, 2006 4:45 PM
It would make a great B&B. When I used to work in the area, I passed it all the time. Who knew?
I would love to see it in an open house, just for the experience. If anyone ever sees a notice for an open house, please let Brownstoner, and the rest of us, know.
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at February 28, 2006 4:53 PM
"It may not be over-priced on a per sq ft basis, it's just that most mere mortals don't need that kind of space."
Oh, reason not the need! -- King Lear
I suspect the space is part, but not all of the reason. Certainly there are rich people happy to luxuriate in far more space than they "need." But they are probably not looking to buy in Clinton Hill. (No offense, Brownstoner.) I agree with the earlier poster: it's just a weird match of house and neighborhood, and I'm not sure how the hell you determine the right price on a property like this.
Posted by: linusvanpelt at February 28, 2006 5:01 PM
It would make a great crack house,if it hasnt already. (I mean, with all due respect to the guy who owns it now, he's gotta be smokin something to live in there.)
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 5:12 PM
The funny thing about this part of brooklyn -- and I mean BH, FG, CH, Boerum, carrol, hook, Downtown, etc -- is that it's pretty much all within a 3 mile radius, you can walk anywhere and visit anyone in any of these neighborhoods on foot. While they USED to have very distinct personalities, the past couple of years have seen dramatic changes everywhere, and it must be a nightmare trying to price anything.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 5:15 PM
I know people who are spending over 4 million for a house in the Heights and they quite frankly wouldn't even take a walk through Clinton Hill, let alone buy there. For that matter, they don't like the Slope because it is "too Brooklyn." Not justifying it, just saying that comparing the two areas is totally apples and oranges.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 5:23 PM
Linusvanpelt's comments make sense. A gorgeous mansion such as this one would be snapped up in a fancier neighborhood without it having to be chopped up into multiple apts. or converted to an inn. It's just that people who have the millions to spend on a mansion & don't worry about fuel bills & having "too much space" probably don't want to live in CH.
Posted by: anon at February 28, 2006 5:28 PM
frank, brooklyn heights is twice as expensive as clinton hill.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 5:31 PM
I think the asking price is somewhat ambitious but it's not outlandish by any stretch of the imagination. Low $3m seems about right for a property in CH of this size, beauty and historical significance. And folks, the house is already being discounted for the fact that it's in CH and not in BH or PS were it would easily fetch north of $7m and $4m respectively.
On another note, if you can afford to pay $3m plus for a single family house of this size, you're not too concerned with the cost of gas and utilities.
Lastly, what makes CH so undesirable that someone wouldn't pay this price to live in an awesome house, on a great block and in a thriving community? For those of us involved in Brooklyn real estate in Downtown Brooklyn, especially in FG and CH have heard the same arguments as home prices were eclipsing various psychological barriers at lightening speed (e.g., $500k, $1mm, $1.5m, $2m and $2.5m): "That price? In that neighborhood? No way!" I think in the end, people want value and more bang for their buck. Thus the reason why they venture further and further east in search of their piece of the pie and the opportunity to live a grand lifestyle.
Posted by: BrownBomber at February 28, 2006 6:26 PM
They're creepy and they're kooky,
Mysterious and spooky,
They're all together ooky,
The Addams Family.
Their house is a museum
Where people come to see 'em
They really are a scream
The Addams Family.
Posted by: suzy at February 28, 2006 6:46 PM
give it time, give it time
Posted by: anon at February 28, 2006 7:30 PM
If you go to pshark and click on the map of the back of the property on waverly, you can see that the property doesn't have a garage but actually a driveway (behind 282 is a small building with a garage but it's unrelated).
With respect to the backyard space, you can reduce the driveway and build out the backyard some and create a nice garden. However, the backyard gets very poor sunlight as the property is almost completely surrounded by high buildings.
See Zillow for aerial view.
http://www.zillow.com/search/Search.z?addrstrthood=280+washington+avenue&citystatezip=brooklyn%2C+ny&mode=search
On another note, can anyone explain why architects of historic brownstone and townhouses would effectively reduce the living space of 25 foot wide homes by installing long staircases and wide hallways? I've seen some 20 footers with tightly wound center staircases with larger rooms then some 25 footers simply because they were laid out better and used the full width of the house for certain rooms, especially on the parlor floors and master bedroom suite/levels.
Posted by: BrownBomber at February 28, 2006 7:45 PM
To the person who claims a $4MM house in clinton hill is a "better deal" than a $5MM house in Brooklyn Heights, you must be kidding. Whether or not you like Brooklyn Heights, it is a more expensive location than Clinton Hill. Isn't that too obvious to even mention?
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 7:58 PM
My father toured it in 1989 or so (last time it was for sale) and said
-bottom floor has three gigantic parlors and a chapel at the end. You need roller skates, and the place is quite dark.
-The house has a coal bin so big that you could plaster the sides and make a swimming pool.
-Total monster for repairs, heat, et.
For the price, you could get two really nice brownstones in Ft. Greene
Posted by: Anonymous at February 28, 2006 8:11 PM
BrownBomber, I think the reason these houses have big ol' stairways is probably solely for the WOW factor that they cause when a guest enters.The stairs look like they go up and on forever, and what an entrance you would make. Wealthy Victorians were all about impressing, not necessarily practicality, which was left to those of lesser means.
I'll let you all know how it feels after I win MegaMillions and buy the place. It's a nice little cottage, I could do something with it!
(Laughs maniacally)
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at February 28, 2006 8:14 PM
"Lastly, what makes CH so undesirable that someone wouldn't pay this price to live in an awesome house, on a great block and in a thriving community?"
I dunno, but there must be something, seeing as how nobody bought the place when it was on the market cheaper, no?
Maybe it's that people with this kind of money have a lot of other choices, and have chosen elsewhere. Maybe it would seem discomfiting and weird to sign up to be Mr. Potter -- the richest guy in town, living in a castle in a neighborhood where (correct me if I'm wrong) no one else has spent within a million dollars of you. People who can afford $4M houses tend to seek out the company of others who can afford them, right?
Not judging, but facts are facts -- there's got to be some reason this mansion has gone begging. And it must be more than the ignorance of us on this blog, because it doesn't sound like any of us can afford it.
Posted by: linusvanpelt at February 28, 2006 8:53 PM
I think the house has sat because even if you paid this much for the property, the understanding is that you would still have to pluck down $500,000 plus to renovate and bring the property up to date and stable condition. If I'm paying this much for a home, I want central air! It probably needs new mechanical, electrical, lighting, sound and plumbing systems which would require substantial, delicate and very expensive demolition work - for you preservationist. The facade and exterior stairs are also in need of major repair. Not sure about the condition of the roof. Further, from the pics you can see that the garden level is in need of a complete makeover/overhaul. Now you're talking $4.5m all in and counting. And now you're revisiting homes in BH, PS and Manhattan. Better deals are probably out there. Wow!! Did I just talk myself out of buying my dream house?!?! :-o
Posted by: BrownBomber at February 28, 2006 9:23 PM
The place really is an amazing combination of historical splendour and kitsch. Those bathrooms gotta go, especially the one with the twin aquariums. I love a good Morroccan theme, if done right, but those rooms are suffering from disco ball fever.. Too bad there are no pix of the kitchens or bedrooms (so many to choose from) I'm not understanding the verandas (assuming on the roof of theback extension) or the packyard parking either. I couldn't get a good idea from either Property Shark or Zillow. I'm going to go by the back one day just to satisy my own curiousity.
Speaking of which, I checked out the sister house's listing. Is that $4000 a month for the whole house, or just a part of it? That place looks really interesting too. Are the brick walls through the window part of the Pfizer place? The Queen Anne mentioned suffered from a lack of relevant photographs. I don't understand how high end brokers think they can sell a million dollar plus house with two lousy photos, one being the facade. Mybe because I am, as a friend told me, a house voyeur, but if I were trolling the net looking for a house in that price catagory, I'd want to see lots of pictures before I even called the RE agent.
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at March 1, 2006 12:30 AM
I love details and a lot of it but this is just too much! It looks like something Donald Trump would be interested in! And for all of you who say that people with money don't want to live in CH, it just isn't true. I know some seriously wealthy people in the neighborhood. Some of them already own a lot of property in the area and may be interested in something like that...
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 3:56 AM
We can afford 4m, but would not buy in FG/CH for that $. At that price, you can get a crappier brownstone in the village or one on the UWS. Hard to come by at that price point, but they exist. I can roll out of bed and go to Zabar's/Fairway, send my kides to a zillion + 1 activities by walking. Sorry...
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 7:56 AM
And the reason I live in FG is so that I don't have to trip over your kids (I assume you meant kids) every day on my way to Rice or BAM. To each his own.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 9:07 AM
This is an upper west side steal. Almost $5 mil for a 3.5 story narrow row house in what is essentially the suburbs -- and will become more suburban as less and less boomers want to leave the city and move to Jersey/CT as they once used to. So our generation (I'm 27) has to look for the urban part of New York elsewhere. I'm glad that mansion is cheap and I do hope they let it be sold as floorthrough apartments. Beats fedders.
http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=711865
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 9:20 AM
Anon 7:56am. Nothing to be sorry about. You're simply expressing your opinion and it's solidly based on the facts. CH is getting there but certainly not there yet (but close). However, some people are just more forward looking then others, e.g., Charles Davis, and are thus willing to make longer term bets. The property is obviously priced way too high at the "present moment". In the end, the property will command whatever price the market is willing to bear. If it sells, it will probably go close to $3mm.
On another note, the one thing I hate about some of these "grand homes" is that the layout sucks. They simply have way too many bedrooms/storage rooms and as a result most of them are too small for modern day living. go underutilized or simply eat up way too much valuable square footage. 10 bedrooms? Not practical.
Lastly, with all of the growth that is occurring in the Brownstone Belt - with such a large influx of well heeled professionals - are more schools being built (public or private)? With all of the strollers scurrying around the place, I sometimes wonder where people plan to send their kids in 5 years. Everyone is paying sky high prices for homes in these nouveau neighborhoods but the public school system is atrocious and there are not enough private schools or even good public magnet schools to accommodate the increase demand. Ultimately, the lack of quality education in Brooklyn might be the pin the pops the downtown real estate bubble....
Posted by: BrownBomber at March 1, 2006 9:29 AM
Not enough good schools in Bk? Heck, there aren't enough on the UWS. The privates (even if you could afford them) are impossible to get into these days with everyone procreating like mad. There are only 2 decent publics on UWS + the G&T programs & Anderson. Not enough for all the procreating yuppies around here. That is the single biggest reason that people move to the 'burbs for.
If my kids don't get into good privates, Scarsdale here we come.
Posted by: Anon7.56 at March 1, 2006 10:02 AM
That West 92nd listing you're pointing to has been on the market for 2 years. Way overpriced and not in a good school district to boot. BTW, the "best" private on the UWS is Trinity and it's well nigh impossible to get in - only 2 or 3 spots per year for new families (non-siblings & non-connected).
Posted by: Anon.7.56. at March 1, 2006 10:04 AM
An acquaintance of mine purchased the sister house over a year ago; it's slightly less grand than 280, and doesn't have an elevator. It is absolutely HUGE with wonderful details throughout, including front and back staircases. It had been part of a school or convent during its last major renovation, so they had to remove some of the institutional touches.
280 has been restored and maintained by its very quirky owner; he has put it on the market and taken it off more than a few times in the last 2-3 years.
I agree that a thoughtful condo conversion could be really sweet; the house is kind of unfathomable as a 1 or 2 family.
Another potential drawback of 280 is that it IS very quirky; the owner painstakingly applied gold leaf throughout the parlor floor, but how many people want that? And I don't think the place currently has a decent kitchen.
To get his price, I think the owner needs to find someone who totally appreciates his vibe.
Posted by: tinarina at March 1, 2006 10:07 AM
Some ideas for the use of extra rooms:
The wife's wardrobe
Library
Guest rooms
Gymnasium
Painting studio
Fetish playroom
Darts, billards and ping-pong
Model railroad
Storage for kayaks, bicycles, skis, etc.
Bowling alley
Pistol range
Wine cellar
Posted by: Hal at March 1, 2006 10:12 AM
...Portrait gallery
Zoo
Theater...
Posted by: Hal at March 1, 2006 10:39 AM
... 10 unit apartment building
.. . children's hospital
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 10:56 AM
Hal, funny. You forgot to mention the Neverland Petting Zoo. But seriously, for $4m in Clinton Hill, shouldn't it already have these luxury features? :-\
At this price point in CH wouldn't a buyer expect a fabulous library, grand master bedroom suite with his and her bathrooms and walk-in closets, wine room/cellar, a large beautiful Clive Christian caliber kitchen, etc. Who expect to pay the nabe high for a single family by over $2mm then have to turn around and throw in another $600k plus simply to make the finished home justify the price paid?
If this is the future, then you'll find me in Bernardsville, Colts Neck, Mendham, Saddle River, Rye, Brookville, New Canaan or any other elite suburb far removed from Brooklyn and its sub par school system....
Posted by: BrownBomber at March 1, 2006 10:59 AM
BB, the one thing I really do envy about the house is the storage. I would love to have even one room totally dedicated to storage. The way my house is set up, there just isn't any. No closets to speak of either. I've figured out ways of carving some space for closets, but I'm losing footage in the rooms to do it.
Regarding what you said about the configuration of the rooms in grand houses, I guess if you can afford to buy it, changing the use of the rooms, and/or knocking down a couple of walls isn't the worst thing in the world, considering you are getting one spectacular house in the bargain.
I think, overall, I'd probably be happier in the sister house next door from what I can see, and the whole idea of owning either one is somewhat akin to my chances of marrying George Clooney, but I can't help but fantasize what it would be like to have such a magnificent place. I confess to printing out the floor plan, and totally figured out a plan to live well, and have the place pay for itself too. (Not a busy day at work, yesterday). Damn it, didn't win MegaMillions. Guess I have to return to reality.
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at March 1, 2006 11:12 AM
"elite suburb"
god, some of you people are vile. i guess for some reason i have always thought of this site as being populated by a more down to earth crowd but i can see that it is mostly yuppie elitist scum.
Posted by: gurple at March 1, 2006 11:24 AM
..who would do us all a great service by moving to Scarsdale or some other cookie cutter suburb Now...
Posted by: gurple at March 1, 2006 11:25 AM
As a proud member of YES! (yuppie elitist scum) I'm happy to point out that most of Brownstone Brooklyn has already been socially cleansed. You creative types earning less than $300,000 a year are being relocated to Philadelphia, Peekskill, Beacon and other outposts. The sooner you accept it and get on the train, the better for everyone.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 11:52 AM
Rule 1 in appraisal class is "never buy the best house on the best block,you will never get your money back. Buy the worst house on the best block and let the higher values lift the value of your house."
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 11:54 AM
Us CTs (Creative Types) are the sole (soul?) reason why properties in Soho, Tribeca, Brooklyn have the inflated worth that you YESers are getting for them today.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what a yuppie contributes to this world. Oh wait, remind me what that is again?
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 12:28 PM
Gurple, sorry for offending your sensibilities. Perhaps I should've written "elite" suburbs to denote the obvious fact that the term is not considered a universal truth. Nevertheless, it's all relative and it certainly depends on your personal point of view. People in East New York, Brownsville or other sections of Brooklyn could very well refer to the nabes that comprise Downtown Brooklyn as elite communities. The nomenclature wouldn't offend me one bit. If folks who are paying $2m-$15m plus for homes in Brownstone Brooklyn, i.e., bloggers on this site, are not elite then what are they? Average Joes?
Posted by: BrownBomber at March 1, 2006 12:38 PM
CT's are the ground troops that are sent into an area. After you create the initial settlements and make things habitable, we YES's move in and you guys are sent off to the next frontier. How many CT's are left in SoHo or Tribecca? None. The same will be true in Brooklyn in no time at all.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 12:41 PM
By the time you've exploited what the CTs have created to its full potential, it's so devoid of any reason to stay that money isn't even a factor in our finding a new home.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 12:46 PM
ps. And as far as being sent, I think it's more that we're being followed. Poor example to set your spawn, if you ask me.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 12:49 PM
To Anon 12:41
'None' is not exactly correct. I met a couple recently who have been in their loft on W.B'way near Canal since the '70s. Certainly very few.
Posted by: Hal at March 1, 2006 12:57 PM
Man I hope some of the arrogance on display here is a joke. I wouldn't want all the money in the world if I had to take on the soulless,depraved,and utterly disgusting personas of those of you who feel that Brooklyn is being "socially cleansed". Please move you your "elite suburbs" as soon as humanly possible so that those of us who live in NYC because we simply enjoy being here can get on with it.
Posted by: gurple at March 1, 2006 1:04 PM
I think he/she is just f-ing with us, gurple. It's kinda rad. I'm waiting for the punchline. But it is cute that I'm being called elite by being on this site. I got a chuckle out of it, if nothing else.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 1:10 PM
Just a bit of social commentary, that's all. But now I feel inadequate for not having a punchline. However, that's why I'm in the capital-creation field, and am not a CT.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 1, 2006 1:37 PM
I agree, Gurple. Anon is yanking your chain. Let it be. I make a motion that "henceforth the term "elite" shall be forever banned from this blogsite!" Same goes for you Yuppie snobs! Off with your heads! >;-0
As much as you might disdain Yuppies, Gurple, I seriously doubt that CTs alone could have created the outrageous escalating rise in property values in recent years or could have promoted the growth and development of Downtown Brooklyn to the extent that it exist today. So Yuppies and CTs unite. You guys really do need each other......
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