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February 27, 2006
Even The Slope Not Immune to Bad New-Builds
Down the block from the Methodist Church is this rather unfortunate contribution to the neighborhood's landscape at 310 8th Street. Guess this block isn't landmarked, huh? Looks to us from the records like this was built in 1999.
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In fairness, it is between an elevated, fenced lot (behind the 9th St Y) and an ass-ugly, Soviet-bloc ugly apartment building. Really, it is more contextual than an attractive brownstone would be. It is contextually ugly.
I may be remembering wrong, but I think the lot was vacant before. I don't recall anything being torn down to put this up. (Or whatever was torn town was torn down years before, if there was a building here.)
If you ask me and nobody did, this would have been a much better place to put the kind of modernist building that always gets reamed on this site -- lots of glass and light. Anything you put on this site would stick out anyway, so why not? Would beat this faux brownstone crap.
Landmarking in this part of the Slope only extends to 8th Ave, I think -- maybe 7th.
Posted by: linusvanpelt at February 27, 2006 10:46 AM
at first glance, i'll take it over "fedders"...could lose the staircase and enter from ground though...i wonder if the celebrated brownstones of today were the eyesores of the 20th century turn and if architecture like this will be on pedestals 100 year from now...(any references on this?)
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2006 10:52 AM
In 50 years or less, people on sites like this will be lamenting the fact that people like me pulled the cool aluminum siding off our South Slope houses.
Posted by: Rose at February 27, 2006 11:15 AM
If they ever revoke the landmark law, then contextual uglines will become the norm.
Posted by: Shahn Andersen at February 27, 2006 11:26 AM
Um, Rose, aluminum siding will never be cool.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2006 11:28 AM
In that case, Shahn, there would be dozens of buildings like this across Park Slope. If you look at the map, landmarking covers a relatively narrow strip of a big neighborhood. But most of fthe non-landmarked blocks are pretty well preserved. Not perfectly, but this building is far from "the norm" in Park Slope, even though, as you point out, there's nothing legally preventing many more of them from going up.
To get back to my previous post, while agree this house is ugly, I'd be curious to hear what people would have preferred to go up. I wish Bstoner had paired this with a pull-back shot that shows what the house is surrounded by. You could have done something more attractive, but it would still stick out like a sore -- or in this case not-so-sore -- thumb.
Posted by: linusvanpelt at February 27, 2006 11:35 AM
Rose,
Is it too nosy to ask what it cost to get rid of the siding? I don't have siding but ask on behalf of a friend.
Posted by: linusvanpelt at February 27, 2006 11:39 AM
To Anonymous at 10:52 -
We've largely lost the ability to build anything of lasting quality, so the good news is that this particular bit of architecture will probably not survive one hundred years.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2006 12:24 PM
Hi Linus - It was in the neighborhood of $20K to remove the aluminum, put up new wood siding, window pediments (is that the word?), new cornice, new door, etc.
Practically my whole block is aluminum siding. It must have looked GOOD to people 50 years ago or whenever it was done. They must've thought the old cornices and window details looked like crap, the way we think the aluminum looks like crap now. So who knows what people will be thinking in 2056?
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2006 12:50 PM
This stuff DID look good to folks 50 years ago. I can't tell you how many beautiful turn-of-the-century details were removed by the previous owners of my brownstone...in the name of 1950s modernity (I get the impression a lot of posters here weren't even born then)...three marble mantles; walnut wainscoting in the parlor floor hallway; pier mirror in the main parlor; stained-glass insert in the main entrance interior door. Now if I could only win Mega-Millions, I would not hesitate to restore it all.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2006 3:50 PM
I can't speak to the motives of the previous owners of anon 3:50's house, but wasn't a big motive for putting up siding that it was cheaper than regular maintenance of a facade? It costs a lot of money to keep up a house in period style, and through the '50s, 60s and 70s you had a lot of Brooklyn townhouses whose owners couldn't really afford to keep them up, even south slope frames. I'm sure being "modern" and mimicking the suburbs was a factor, but wasn't siding also advertised as being permanent and care-free?
(As a side note, this is why it always amuses me to hear people talking about how Brooklyn is getting so unnaturally expensive, as if it were the normal course of things for people of modest means to own 4- and 5-story brownstones.)
Posted by: linusvanpelt at February 27, 2006 4:24 PM
Choose a different color for the house, paint the white railingsand window grates to black, and get a nice door...
and would look just fine. But the neighboring lots still will be dumps.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2006 4:34 PM
Siding certainly was a way to carefree way maintainenance, but keep in mind that Brooklyn brownstones in the 50s-60s could be had for a song, and re-doing the facade wasn't beyond everyone's pocketbook. The smart ones were those who snapped up b'stones when they went for $3,000 to $5,000 apiece (yes, this is very true and not an exaggeration). Also, the only people of "modest means" today who own brownstones are either the ones who were lucky enough to buy before the boom or have lived in their homes for decades. Brooklyn HAS become unnaturally expensive, and unless you're an investment banker/lawyer or have two sizable incomes, most of these homes are now way beyond the average person's reach.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2006 4:47 PM
I think the point being made by the 4.34pm poster is that brownstones for the most part were not originally built for those with "modest means" and now the cycle is coming full circle.
Posted by: lp at February 27, 2006 5:01 PM
5:01 p.m.: Yes, you read me right.
4:47: I'm not aware of many cases of siding being put on brownstones, if that's even possible. As far as I know, the siding in the south slope is mainly or entirely on frame houses. I'm sure those houses could have been had cheap, but the whole point of a price plunge, such as happened during the suburban flight of the era, is that few people are buying. And clearly at the time, in general, the people staying in the frame houses of the south slope -- by choice or because they couldn't afford to leave -- were not generally people with deep pockets.
Posted by: linusvanpelt at February 27, 2006 5:43 PM
Linus, I think you are right (about siding being cheaper to maintain) but I'm thinking the South Slope was probably more solidly middle-class in the 50s and 60s than it was in the 70s and 80s. I'm just basing this on my neighbors who are old-timers on the block. I really think many people put up the siding because they thought it was the cool, modern thing to do. And ripped out the details because they didn't like the look of them. In my house, we found nice paneling under some of the windows that was in perfectly good condition but had been covered up. Someone just thought it was ugly.
Posted by: Rose at February 27, 2006 6:04 PM
On my block (Putnam Avenue at Classon) we have a lot of the brownstone equivalent of aluminum siding - faux stone. Mine brick house escaped it, but I sometimes wonder what I woud do it I had it. Perhaps paint it a funky color...
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2006 6:08 PM
yes, faux stone! add the flintstone to the fedders' school!
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2006 6:29 PM
linus,
boy do i hate to quote a george w. bush speech, but whenever i see bstoner commenters defending these piece o crap renovations or saying, you know, this is just how poorer people have to have it done, it sounds to me like "the soft bigotry of low expectations." i'm sure we can do a lot better.
ok, now i'm going to go shoot myself.
Posted by: adn at February 27, 2006 9:31 PM
adn,
I was just asking what the real reason was people put the siding up. Someone suggested it was because the owners just liked how it looked better. Maybe they did. But I think it's reasonable to ask whether, instead, some people instead did it because it was cheaper to maintain.
I think you're reading in more rationalization than I intended. Call me crazy, but I'm not especially interested in debating the ethics of putting up aluminum siding 50 years ago, one way or another.
Posted by: linusvanpelt at February 27, 2006 11:20 PM
I remember when it went up. Local kids would punch holes in the insulation sheets. The builder simply put the facing over it - no repairs. I doubt it will stand another 20 years.
The bldg. is between a parking lot and the dumpsters for the Soviet area apts.
That side of the block is mind-bendingly ugly except for a few small bldgs just above 5th.
Posted by: CancelMoose at February 28, 2006 2:27 AM
sorry linus. i've just really been itching to bust out that george bush quote.
Posted by: adn at February 28, 2006 10:43 AM

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