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January 31, 2006

Swimming Pool for New Townhouse Condos in FG

January 28, 2006 -- Fort Greeners already have a fab tennis court. Now buyers at Cumberland Greene, a new four-story townhouse, will get a pool too. Opening near the park, at 237 Cumberland St., the brick building will offer four units, all three-bedrooms ranging from 1,800 square feet to 2,200 square feet for the duplex penthouse. In the back, there'll be a landscaped garden and a waterfall, while a pool and fitness center will be available in the basement. Prices are expected to start at $1.5 million. If Fort Greeners are notoriously protective of their neighborhood, Suzanne Debrango, licensed sales agent at Brooklyn Properties, notes that the developers are two local artists who happen to live right next door to the building. Still, Cumberland Greene is likely to draw the moneyed crowd. The units will be marketed to Manhattan buyers, according to Debrango.

Comment: Could this be the same artist couple that built this Studio-cum-gallery building on Vanderbilt? Supposedly they own a brownstone in Fort Greene...
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According to NYC Dept of Finance, 237 Cumberland is a vacant lot owned by the same person(s) as 235 Cumberland. 235 has a beatiful rear extenstion/sunroom that opens out into the vacant lot which was converted into a lovely green garden; a mini botantical gardens. I'll be sad to see this garden go.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 31, 2006 10:54 AM

Ms. Debrango needs a whoopin'! What the heck is that supposed to mean "CG is likely to draw the moneyed crowd. The units will be marketed to Manhattan buyers"?? How can someone with such a snobby attitude towards Bklyn work in Bklyn? Does she think we're all a bunch of rubes without two nickles to rub together? I'm of a mind to write a strongly worded letter to Ms. Debrango.

Posted by: Mr. Minerva at January 31, 2006 11:01 AM

interesting, can't wait to see the site on bklyn properties. looks like brooklyn properties is taking the lead in the brooklyn market on marketing new condos.

Posted by: ltjbukem at January 31, 2006 11:26 AM

I don't think so -- what about Corcoran or even A&H or the Developers Group? Who's in DUMBO? And Brooklyn Properties still won't co-broke -- I know they don't have to with new construction, but they won't even do so with existing apartments.

This is a very small project, and to my mind, to go with Brooklyn Properties may not have been the best idea -- marketing to Manhattan buyers? How are they going to do that -- no-one in Manhattan has ever heard of them.

On the other hand, the place sounds pretty spectacular and, as noted above, there are people in Brooklyn with money, so these things may sell themselves.

Posted by: babs at January 31, 2006 11:39 AM

This whole lot used to be a gorgeous garden - I used to walk past it every day when I first moved to the neighborhood because it was so pretty. I'm glad some of it will salvaged for the back of the new building. I was heartbroken when they started construction.

Posted by: lesterhead at January 31, 2006 12:00 PM

The lovely garden a previous poster wrote of is long gone -- the buiding is already half finished. The garden had been beautiful -- old trees and lovely plantings. It was replaced at the rear by a weird Japanese-y waterfall/stone terrace kind of set up. The building itself is now under construction, though it's hard to tell what it's going to look like (seems like it might have balconies on the front, perhaps?). It is at least consistent in terms of height with the buildings next door, with windows of consistent size, etc. This block is very stylistically mixed architecturally, unlike South Oxford and South Portland, a block or two over -- there are brick row houses and brownstones and a handful of frame buildings and a couple of large apartment houses, too. Some of it is gentrified but there are still a few houses that seem to be split into small apartments, covered with weird siding, etc. There's also a condo development going on in what used to be a church and its adjacent house on the block. It's a landmarked block but that hasn't prevented at least one modern monstrosity, a two-storey, bright red brick so-called "carriage house" that went up about three years ago, a big part of the facade of which is taken up by a garage entrance. Don't know how that one got approved.

Posted by: anon at January 31, 2006 12:01 PM

Ummm, what does Brooklyn Propertes now about marketing or consulting for that matter. Just look at the stuff they have on the market now. It's not appealling and it's not selling! You have to know the market and be knowledgable of trends to be considered a developers consultant. To call themselves marketers??? There banners are logos are laughable, and they steel marketing material (they basically ripped off the liberty brochure from A&H for their project on St.Marks) Why would they take a project that's overpriced (the florentine) that Corcoran couldn't sell? Because they need some crap to fill up there corny web-site.

Posted by: Shaun at January 31, 2006 1:20 PM

did we hit a nerve, shaun? name some brokers that have sold out their new developments in the past 3 months. most likely none.

i'll go out on a limb and say that none of the brooklyn brokers have an edge over each other these days...the buyers are getting smarter and are doing a lot of the work themselves.

half the time the design stinks to high heaven and most sophisticated buyers won't get swayed one way or another by the subpar and marginal material that is put out these days anyway.

Posted by: ltjbukem at January 31, 2006 1:38 PM

I just wish that the rest of us were going to have access to that swimming pool they're building....

Posted by: Anonymous at January 31, 2006 3:17 PM

not the same couple brownstoner.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 31, 2006 3:49 PM

Do you work for brooklyn properties ltbukem? Waht does a smart buyer have anything to do with this.Smart buyers, I would assume would ultimately make job brokers jobs easier. I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest you have no idea what sophisticated products or materials are. I'm also going to suggest you have no idea who these buyersare, where they come from, what they need, what they expect and what they can afford. Stop pretending like you have a clue and get a new pretend hobby!

Posted by: Enough Already!! at January 31, 2006 5:13 PM

enough already: nope, don't work for brooklyn properties. if i did, i sure as heck wouldn't be spouting off about how the value-added of brokers these days is next to none. i take it you're new around here.

and yes, this is a hobby. it's great to indulge in a hobby for which some people grovel hours and hours a day in order to make ends meet. basically, i'm marginalizing you! get it??

and unlike the 'real' brokers, who can't attach a real name or handle to themselves, those who treat this as a mere hobby are able to.

and here's some living proof on stuff that sells:

www.gvloft.com
www.onemaindumbo.com
www.29tiffany6l.com

here's an example of some ugly stuff:
facultyhousecondominium.com

Posted by: ltjbukem at January 31, 2006 5:27 PM

Huh. I really liked the faculty house and thought it was 10 times better than anything I have seen so far that's why I bought there. Maybe you haven't been inside. Inlaid floors, fireplaces.. I don't know why the different appliance packages but, I loved it!

Posted by: Anonymous at January 31, 2006 8:20 PM

we're talking design-wise, as that was the subject matter. i wasn't make any comment on whether it was a good buy or not.

Posted by: ltjbukem at January 31, 2006 10:48 PM

I think his comment was more that the three sites mentioned are all FSBO. Other than that I don't get it at all because there are absolutely no similarities -- they are all re-sales whereas the Faculty House is a new development of an existing structure with all the units new to market.

Unless we're talking about web site design and not building design?

Posted by: babs at February 1, 2006 12:01 AM

we're talking print/web-design, using shaun's post at 1:20pm. i think some posters were thinking i was talking about construction materials and building design. sorry for the confusion.

Posted by: ltjbukem at February 1, 2006 7:08 AM

I prefer the Faculty houses to One Main Dumbo, style-wise (not in some of the details- Dumbo obviously has better kitchens) but it has much more of a brownstone feel. In my opinion, One Main Dumbo with those big dark windows and boxy detail-less bedrooms, is ugly-- so it's all personal taste!

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