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December 9, 2005
Open House Picks
Park Slope
147 Lincoln Place
Brown Harris Stevens
Sunday 12:30-2:30pm
$1,875,000
GMAP
Carroll Gardens
19 3rd Street
Cobble Heights #5249643
Sunday 2-4pm
$1,500,000
GMAP
Prospect Heights
526 Carlton Avenue
Corcoran
Sunday 1-3pm
$1,499,000
GMAP
Flatbush
377 East 32nd Street
Prudential Douglas Elliman
Saturday 3-4:30 pm
$595,000
GMAP
Comments
If $1.5 million was my budget for a house and I had a choice bet the Prospect Heights and Carroll Gardens houses shown above ... ummmmm ... let me think ... duhhhhhhhh!
I actually like the kitchen in PH house! I would change some of the paint colors, then I'd move in and hang my pictures.
Posted by: Hal at December 9, 2005 12:07 PM
Carton Avenue has good price but it is still not cheep enough to be in the middle of construction/ratnerville.
Maybe they are hoping to find someone who does not know about ratner.
Every time i drive bay i feel sorry for this buildings soon to be swallow by monster.
Posted by: malymis at December 9, 2005 12:07 PM
I am so impressed by the quality--and lucidity--of the Flatbush listing. The property looks pretty nice too. Do any brownstoners live out there? I am very curious about transportation to Manhattan.
Posted by: clinton hillbilly at December 9, 2005 12:38 PM
Hal: I think you prefer CG, but I can't be sure.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 1:08 PM
Malymis,
Why not drop the car and walk by? That would save the earth.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 1:10 PM
Flatbush -- Closest train is the 2/5 at Newkirk Ave. This whole area is definitely going to be hot, but I prefer the Brooklyn College area (one stop more) -- more surrounded by Flatbush/Midwood Victorians, which already sell for over $1MM, and Brooklyn College sponsors a lot of activities open to the community like a cinema club, music, and theatre. They are really investing in the neighborhood, as they know it's essential to attracting students.
There are some similar houses to this one on streets like Kenilworth Place and E 26 St -- I don't know of any current listings, but big one bedroom co-ops go for around $190K to start.
Oh, and don't forget the parrots!
Posted by: babs at December 9, 2005 1:14 PM
Any chance the last poster doesn't have kids? Brooklyn with children is much tougher with no car...
Posted by: Brownstoner at December 9, 2005 1:14 PM
ClintonHillbilly - The Flatbush house is in East Flatbush, quite near Sears. It is three blocks over from the red house on Clarendon Road that is featured on my Architectural History of Flatbush website, in the now defunct Victorian neighborhood that was known as Vanderveer Park:
http://home.att.net/~ebasics/flatbush2.html
You can see a small bit of the area in the two photos.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 1:15 PM
I can't believe that a "high-brow" company like Douglas Elliman, who is rather reluctant to hire black brokers, would venture into this this neighborhood, where raucous West-Indian music blaring from cars are routinely broken by the sound of gunshots. The house is in horrible shape with holes in the ceilings, peeling lead paint, antiquated fixtures and smells like an abandoned kennel. I estimate that it will take close to $100,000 to renovate this property. At close to $700,000 for a two 800sf apts in this neighborhood (with probably the highest murder rate in NY), this is a classic case of the inability of outside brokers to accurately price property in a neighborhood they wouldn't be caught "dead" in. The market doesn't allow for such preposterous pricing.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 1:32 PM
You are a real neighborhood booster aren't you??
Regarding the PH house, how close is it to the border of Ratnerville?
You also might keep in mind that Carlton is going to be widened and all the street trees removed for the widening
Posted by: mimi at December 9, 2005 1:52 PM
Is that widening going to happen regardless, or is it only a part of Ratnerville?
Posted by: babs at December 9, 2005 2:06 PM
The E 32 St house is in the 67th precinct, which has reported 15 murders this year, down 32% from last year and 68% from 12 years ago:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/pdf/chfdept/cs067pct.pdf
As comparisons, the 71st precinct (which includes PLG) has had 19 murders YTD vs. 7 last year, and the 75th precinct, which covers East New York, reports 28 murders, up from 25 last year.
And that's without even going to places like the South Bronx or Upper Manhattan, so this area has far from the highest murder rate in NYC! Perhaps this poster hasn't been to the neighborhood in a while.
Posted by: babs at December 9, 2005 2:21 PM
What's with the Lincoln Place listing? No interior pix, no floor plan, and an asking price of $1,875,000 for a house they say needs renovation? Um, no thanks!
Posted by: Park Sloper at December 9, 2005 2:31 PM
Re: Widening of Carlton -
I believe it is part of the Ratnerville plans
Posted by: mimi at December 9, 2005 2:40 PM
Rereading my post made me aware of the ambiguity.
I was indeed expressing my preference for the Prospect Heights House. However, that impression was based entirely on the comparative interiors of the houses. If I was actually in the market for such a house, I would indeed consider it's proximity to Atlantic Yards and the proposed street changes.
Posted by: Hal at December 9, 2005 3:22 PM
If living in Brooklyn with kids is so tough, then why have I seen parents and their children on the subway every day for the past fifteen years? If other people can manage this, then so can you. People complain about traffic, but no one is willing to give up their cars.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 3:55 PM
Mimi,
What proof do you have that Carlton will be widened? Can you provide a link? I'd appreciate it, as I'm interested in learning more.
Thanks!
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 3:57 PM
I'm sure Brownstoner could do without a car but prefers not to - and I don't hear him complaining about traffic or that only people with kids need/should have cars.
Its a luxury and convenience and he can afford to and chooses it. So big deal.
I find it more annoying the parents that get on the subway at rushhour with the kids but still see it as their choice.
But we now know why Malymis is so anti-ratnerville....she drives around instead of walking and doesn't want other cars in her way.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 4:05 PM
There was much concern in the neighborhood that Carlton Ave would be widened by 4 ft from Flatbush to Pacific, thus destroying all the mature trees that line the avenue. However I subsequently heard that this is NOT the case and was based on a misreading of the AY plans that became available when the EIS process began recently. I'd love to see confirmation of that. Meanwhile that doesn't change the fact that 526 Carlton will be directly across the street from part of the AY building site (the "superblock" portion -- yes, that outdated urban renewal concept from the 60s -- that will cover Atlantic to Dean and Carlton to Vanderbilt) and just around the corner from the towers that will be built on the other side of Pacific St from Newswalk.
Posted by: Roz at December 9, 2005 4:05 PM
But isn't that an infuriating part of the whole AY thing - the plans change, gehry says he doesn't know what he will build where, the number of residential units goes up and down, the public space disapprears, the office space disappears, the site expands across Flatbush. Are they sloppy and amateurish or are they just manipulative. The overall effect is very bush league.
Posted by: mimi at December 9, 2005 4:13 PM
Anon 03:57 PM -- If you have a problem with kids on the subway at rush hour... then walk. Kids are part of the city and our community. And believe it or not, then have places to go to. You're a grinch.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 4:30 PM
I hate strollers on the subway at rush hour, but I imagine that the parents pushing those strollers hate it as much as I do and wouldn't be there if they didn't absolutely have to.
A necessary evil, and those people have nothing but my pity -- if they did have the resources to have a car they certainly wouldn't be struggling up and down stairs, etc., with strollers.
Posted by: babs at December 9, 2005 4:59 PM
I think the objection is not to kids per se on the subway at rush hour, but rather parents refusing to fold down their strollers and reduce the enormous footprint they occupy in what are already rather crowded trains. The slogan use to be "small enough to ride for free, small enought to ride on your knee".
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 5:10 PM
But if there are no seats (and chivalry is long dead apparently) how can they sit on your knee?
Posted by: babs at December 9, 2005 5:39 PM
exactly- without a seat, one can not keep a kid safe on the subway unless that kid is old enough to stand very solidly. And that means 3 years old minumum. Holding a kid while standing is, of course, very unsafe.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 9, 2005 6:18 PM
Little enough to ride your knee?
Little enough to ride for free!
Posted by: Hal at December 10, 2005 10:26 AM
My kid rides for free, taking up space in a stroller, and if you don't like it, she'll rip your balls off.......................
Posted by: anonymous at December 10, 2005 11:58 AM
Saw the 3rd street place a while back. Horrendous condition on an ugly block, tons of work needed. I would be surprised if it went for over a million given the current market.
Posted by: townhouser at December 10, 2005 3:35 PM
Here is a diagram of the part of Carlton set for widening http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4129/1908/1600/parking.jpg
Posted by: mimi at December 11, 2005 9:21 AM
The Lincoln Place home is next to the old hotel and was used as a multifamily (not sure how many apartments). Needs a gut renovation. So $1.875 million is just the beginning.
Posted by: cen at December 11, 2005 11:58 AM
mimi, nothing in that plan you posted indicates that carlton will be widened. All it says is that they want curb cuts for parking garage entrances in the new buildings on carlton between dean and atlantic.
Posted by: anonymous at December 12, 2005 9:24 AM
"curb cut", by the way, does not mean street widening
Posted by: anonymous at December 12, 2005 9:27 AM
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