RE Greed Reaches New Level in Cobble Hill

NO BOBY KNOWS HOW MARIES SON MARK COULDN'T WAIT TO RUMN TO THE HOUSE AFTER AN NIES DEATH AND TAKE THE CAT WITH THE CLOCK IN ITS STOMACH. THIS IS WHAT STARTED ALL THE PROBLEMS.

Posted by: guest at August 15, 2007 6:28 PM

Joe wants to know who took the santa claus curtains and the toy car maker. The only thing left standing is the grapevine.

Posted by: guest at August 15, 2007 6:41 PM

you know what you people are pathetic and have no lives...I AM ANGELINA VISCONTI'S GRANDDAUGHTER ANNIE'S GREAT NIECE JOESPH AND GRACIE'S GODDAUGHTER.I have no use for any of you anymore what you did was wrong and cruel i know that house was PAID for if it wasn't for the 535.000 dollor loan you took out against that house this would never of happend.you put yourself in debt and that was your own damn fault.uncle joey didn't leave you that house for a reason and that reason was so those lady's (angelina) would always have a place to live till they DIED.WELL YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT ANYMORE CAUSE SHE'S GONE NOW.so you can all shut your mouths.sooner or later it will bite you in the ass with quilt.i traveled many miles to respect your parents when they past you didn't even have the decency to send my grandmother flower when she died.your a bunch of losers in my book you can say all you want about my father but don't you dare speek another disrespectful word about my grandmother she loved all of you and personaly i don't know why. and don't worry you will never hear from me again.and it was annie's money that paid the bills guess you blew that pension aunt annie got from uncle joey. i always looked up to you uncle joesph and i know in my heart it wasn't all you but i am sorry for you cause your the one who has to live with it

Posted by: guest at September 25, 2007 1:56 PM

here's what i find really funny you cowards who are you afraid of any way that you have to be annonymous....i am MADELAINA MARIE VISCONTI the proud grandaugher of Angelina Visconti and proud niece of Joesph & Annie DeLeonibus

Posted by: guest at September 25, 2007 2:07 PM

here's what i find really funny you cowards who are you afraid of any way that you have to be annonymous....i am MADELAINA MARIE VISCONTI the proud grandaugher of Angelina Visconti and proud niece of Joesph & Annie DeLeonibus

Posted by: guest at September 25, 2007 2:07 PM

let me let EVERYONE know a lil something.his grandparents and my great grandparents came over on the boat and all struggled and worked very hard to EARN that building. it has been in OUR family for over a hundred years and is part of OUR heritage and ancestry. to sell something like that without any regard to the people that actually apreciate it and what it represents is cold hearted and malicitious.over 100 years of hard work and effort wasnt given so one person could make a quick buck! as far as the man that lives in the attic, let me say a lil something about him too. he IS a vietnam vet. he DID take care of HIS aunt and HIS mother until they BOTH died. so anyone and i do mean ANYONE who has a problem with the man in the attic DONT know the whole story. NO hes far from saint and may not be the best role modle BUT he was there when no one else was. and that includes the son of annie delionibus. he wasnt there when she was sick or dieing, the man in the attic was. he wasnt there when she needed medicine, the man in the attic was. and he wasnt there when she woke in the middle of the night missing her departed husband, the man in the attic was. and another thing about the man in the attic he is MY father and granted ive never thought highly of him and never agreed with alot of the things hes done i AM very proud of what he has done for and by the old ladies in that building. HE has stepped up to take care of them. no one else so for all of you "anonymous" people you all should grow some BALLS and step up if you have anything to say bad about MY father or my GRANDMOTHER, AUNT, OR UNCLE JOEY. BECAUSE AS FAR AS I CAN SEE WE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WITH ANY SENSE OF WHAT REAL FAMILY IS! i am here and my e-mail is biggbratt71@yahoo.com if you have ANY comments or other wise.

Posted by: guest at September 25, 2007 8:30 PM

and i as lennys son want to know where my grandfathers TRAINS are??????

Posted by: guest at September 25, 2007 8:32 PM

ME AS PETER ANTHONY VISCONTI THE 2ND WANT TO SAY IM PROUD OF MY FATHER FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR HIS MOTHER AND AUNT.ITS ALOT MORE THEN WHAT THE PERSON WHO MADE A COOL MILL. OFF THE BUILDING HAS DONE FOR THEM..... THATS OK BECAUSE WITH ALL THE WRONG THATS BEEN DONE ONLY ONE PERSON SHALL JUDGE AND WE WILL SEE WHO GOES WHERE. AGIAN AND PROBLEM WITH ANY STATEMENTS MADE CAN REACH ME AT BIGGBRATT71@YAHOO.COM. YALL MAKE ME SICK WITH YOUR JUDGING AND POINTING FINGERS. YOUR WRONG.....CUT AND DRY

Posted by: guest at September 25, 2007 8:39 PM

MY NAME IS PEARLE JUNE WHITTAKER AND I AM LENNYS GRANDAUGHTER, ANGELINAS GREAT GREAT GRANDAUGHTER, JOEYS GREAT GREAT NIECE, AND ANNES GREAT GREAT NIECE. AS FAR AS U ANONYMOUS PEOPLE GO U SHOULD STEP UP AND TELL US WHO U ARE..... SOME OF U ARE FAMILY OR AT LEAST U CALL URSELF FAMILY I DONT KNOW WHY.... UR ALL GREEDY PEOPLE........ DO NOT DIRESPCT MY GRANDMOTHER EVER SHE WAS THE MOST CAREING PERSON IN THE WORLD AND WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR ANYONE IN THIS FAMILY..... ALL SHE HAS DONE IS DO FOR EVERYONE OF U.... AND WHOEVER WROTE THE REMARK ABOUT TIEING THEM UP TO THE RAIL ROAD BETTER STOP RUNNIG THERE FACES... THATS NOT RIGHT AND AS FAR AS MY GRANDFATHER LENNY HE TOOK CARE OF THOSE WOMEN TILL THE DAY THEY DIED OK SO DONT TRASH ON HIM..... ALMOST ALL THIS FAMILY JUST WANTED WHATEVER SHE HAD TO MAKE THE MONEY THATS ALL U CARE ABOUT AND I DONT THINK ITS RIGHT... ITS SICK U REALLY NEED HELP....ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS FAMILY IS FAMILY AND THATS THAT U SHOULD NEVER DISRESPECT THEM...... U GUYS NEED TO GROW UP.... HOW ABOUT THIS ANYONE WHO WANTS MY GRANDMOTHERS STUFF CAN COME TO HER REAL FAMILY THE ONES WHO DIDNT WAIT FOR HER TO DIE SO WE COULD HAVE HER STUFF....... IF U HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY U CAN E-MAIL ME MY E-MAIL IS ITALIAN_GRL90@YAHOO.COM......

Posted by: guest at September 25, 2007 8:58 PM

IF MY UNCLE ANTHONY WAS STILL ALIVE YOU ALL WOULD OF FRIED FOR IT AND THE BUILDING WOULD STILL BE A PART OF THIS FAMILY AND NOT SOLD FOR A QUICK BUCK.

Posted by: guest at September 25, 2007 9:59 PM

ok,ithink ive read just about enough and im proud of my childern who are caring enough to write something about their fathers family cause you see now that uncle joey,aunt annie,and jean are gone they have NO MORE FAMILY! but their dad down there,for you see i am their mother,lennys ex wife who loved them like i love my own family ,i was welcomed by them every time i came down,sure we had our spats what family dosnt but this is a DISGRACE!I could care less about kattie she deserves everything she gets because she was always jealous of annie,her own grown children have stolen from her....but aunt annie was a proud woman,a wonderful woman....we talked many times on the phone.we tried to get jean to move here with us but she and her sisiter could not and would not be separated.and you had to respect that.
joseph,gracie...i hate to say this but may your childern treat you the way youve treated family.....youve given them a good foundation for desiption,fairness,and what comes first 'THE ALMIGHTY BUCK' not you.
i am the proud x daugthernlaw to jean.the proud niece of aunt annie and uncle joey.......for me there is NO MORE OF YOU !
LINDA

Posted by: guest at September 25, 2007 10:21 PM

pretty sad GRACIE that your worried about some old curtains. i would more so wonder what happend to there wedding picture that was hanging up if it was my parents that would of been the first thing i would of taken.but thats right only the things that would make you money were important.

Posted by: guest at September 26, 2007 8:22 AM

you are all a bunch of idiots.are u all to blind to see what happened. everyone living in that house on cheaver was moochig. the crackhead in the attic was stealing ss checks(yes very nice let us all defend him).the two old bags having a great time living not paying any money to live in this house while the crackhead probably beat them stealing all their money.WooHoo.YAY!! the "FAMILY" you all say u are? where were u when they were sick and if you are such a tight family why werent you there taking care of them or helping pay rent. oh yes i remeber, none of you cared until that house was sold and there was the issue of oh wait what was it ohh MONEY!!!!!! so there you have it no one remembered those 2 old ladies and the burn out until they realized that there could be some money involved.and what does it matter to anyone what was taken out of the house. u didnt own the house obviously so whatever was in that house wasnt yours anyway. its really sad how you all act upset about the things in the house that u want like a clock or some damn trains when u are really worried about money. wake the hell up get a job losers.

Posted by: guest at October 17, 2007 9:53 PM

Mandy and Peter, both of you have no idea what went on there, I find it very surprising that you take the word of your no good father. Joseph and I were given no choice in selling the house. It was because of Katie and your Father they were squatters when Annie died. If there was a mortgage on that house it was nobodys business. We paid for it not you. Its a joke Linda Peter and Mandy sticking up for your crackhead Father and Ex husband. Joseph and I paid for Jean's life insurance policy, until Lenny wanted it back. That was for her burial. Lenny sold the policy so he and his crackhead wife had money to live on. Johnny and Charles paid for her burial. They were putting her in potters field, because lenny used all her money. I had neighboes call me up telling how he would beat her up for her check. Do you know how many times the cops were there? Peter, as for your trains your father that you are so proud of sold them for crack money. Linda don't point a finger you robbed me You people get me sick. Your not good enough for Jerry Springer. Mandy tell your daughter to call me, somebody misinformed her about her grandfather. Peter Mandy I don't blame you look how you were raised. Linda how dare you say that about my children. They are both good men who were raised properly. They know they have to work hard to get nice things, and not rob and live off people. All of you know no other life. I truly can't understand how you can take his word. You're not worth it.

Posted by: guest at October 18, 2007 5:06 PM

peter realy how well do u know ur dad come on lets b a man about it think about this who us there all the time 4 ur family this was not about jean it was about lenny & patty u know ur step mom (ready lets go) when my grandfather died (now u know who this is) ur grandmother was being cared 4 by my dad did u know that ur grandmother had insur. that my father paid 4 until ur dad wanted it & ur loving father cash it in what did he do with the money that was 4 jean when she passed away do u know how many times i had 2 put food on that table because ur dad used the food stamps 4 beer do u know how many times i seen ur grandmoter all black & blue and 4 the trains ur dad sold them 4 money lets put it this way we did not what 2 sell the house if ur dad & kathy did what they promise my dad that house would have still been in the family jean gave ur dad $200.00 a month 2 give my dad 4 rent that was what she gave my grandparents do u know what ur dad did with the money ill let u in on a little secret it was not used 4 what ur grandmother wanted it used 4 im talking 2 u as a man dont start anything that u really dont know about and as 4 mandy come on u should realy know how ur godparents realy r not what ur dad says they r one more thing r rite about one thing if anthony was alive this would have not happend because he would have taken care of his mother like he did b4.

Posted by: guest at October 18, 2007 9:42 PM

linda Joseph and I gave our children a great foundation. We taught them to work hard for what you want. You have some pair of balls to wish that, because you do not know the truth. Joseph and I did take care of Jean not the crackhead. Joseph out of the kindness of his heart gave him a roof over his head. His kindness just backfired in his face. Lets speak the truth about foundation. Its apples and oranges. A loving family working hard all their lives to get the things they wanted and a solid life for their children. Or the crackhead and the thief.... remember the money you stole from me? Now do you want to talk about foundation?

Posted by: guest at October 19, 2007 5:10 PM

Pearl, I was quite amused in reading about a grandfather you never knew. He comes from a father who was the neighborhood drunk. He worked neighbor people for Old Man Wilson. It's your Great-Grandmother Jean who had a hard life. She had to work two jobs to make the rent. Guess who drove he back and forth, my husband Joseph. Everybody is right, Anthony would not let this happen. He would take care of his mother. All your grandfather did was rob from him and make her cry. My husband Joseph is not the villain in all of this, it's your grandfather. If it were not for Joseph, your grandfather would still be living in a cardboard box in Prospect Park. In the winter he would ride the trains. Joseph and I took care of your great grandmother. We gave her money, bought he clothes and paid for her life insurance policy for two years. Your grandfather, Lenny, who all of a sudden, everybody is so proud of, sold the policy for crack money for him and his crack wife. When your great grandmother died, if it weren't for Johnny and Charles paying for the wake, she would be buried in Potters Field.
Your grandfather also beat her for money. The neighbors would call me to tell me how many times the cops were on Cheever Place. Your great grandmothers food stamp were used by your grandfather for smokes and beer. I have proof. When my son Joseph went to the house there was no food. Annie and Jean were eating toast. My son bought food for them. Go down to cheever Place. Ask the neighbors what’s going on. When Annie was alive he would wheel her to the bank to cash her check, so he could take the money. Annie would ask Joseph and me for money because Lenny would take it all. You come from a severely dysfunctional family, a crack head grandfather, a thief of a grandmother (she robbed me of over $1000 in jewelry), no body ever told you that. Your mom and uncle Peter is another story. One more thing. All possessions in that house do not belong to your grandfather or great grandmother. They free loaded with nothing. Everything in that house was bought by Annie and Joey. I could go on and on. Take a minute to think about it. Just look at him. Oh by the way neighbors are complaining of things being stolen from their houses. Guess who they blame. As for the Proud Family of that Vietnam vet. Ask him what kind of discharge he got. It was not a honorable one. Pearl, if you need to know more about your grandfather go to Deadbeatdads.com
Mandy, as far as respecting your grandmother, in death, Why? We were told that if we showed up we were going to be kicked out. The flowers would have gotten thrown out also. Plenty of times during the night we had to go to the hospital for your grandmother because your father was no where to be found. Don't listen to your fathers lies everybody knows the truth. When my son got married, your grandmother gave your father $200 for the gift. Cousins Carmine and Charles saw him take it out of the envelope and put it in his pocket. I can tell you plenty. Ask your father where the 14k Gold coffee set is that Aunt Annie and Uncle Joey gave your grandmother from Italy.

Posted by: guest at October 19, 2007 8:11 PM

LMFAO-MEANS LAUGHING MY @&%$)^ ASS OFF @ ALL OF YOU AMAZING HOW QUICK YOU ARE TO RESPOND TO OUR COMMENTS...#1 I HAVE NEVER DEFENDED MY FATHER IN ANYWAY I KNOW HIM AND I KNOW WHAT HE'S ABOUT SO YOU CAN ALL GET OVER THAT ONE.#2 TO THIS STATEMENT..(none of you cared until that house was sold and there was the issue of oh wait what was it ohh MONEY!!!!!! HAHAH OH WAIT! WHAT THE HELL WERE WE GETTING OUT OF IT ABSOLUTLY NOTHING THE ONLY THING WE WANTED WAS THE RIGHT THING FOR OUR GRANDMOTHER AND THAT WAS DIEING IN THE ONLY PLACE SHE HAS KNOW FOR OHHH LET ME SEE ALL HER LIFE.SO NO ONE HERE IS INTRESTED IN ANYBODY'S MONEY!!!.#3AS FOR MY GRAMS INSURANCE POLICY YOU KNEW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU GAVE IT TO HIM YOU WERE SO CONCERNED ABOUT IT THAT YOU CALLED US AND SAID WE REALY WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE YOU GUYS HANDLE IT CAUSE WE KNOW AT LEAST THEN THE RIGHT THING WOULD BE DONE BUT NOOOOOO LETS NOT CALL THEM CAUSE YOU ALL THINK CAUSE MY FATHER IS THE WAY HE IS THAT WE ARE TO WRONGGGGGGGGG AGIAN WAY TO JUDGE PEOPLE!#4 THANKS FOR THE INFO AND ADMITTING TO HAVEING THAT MORGAGE ON THE HOUSE THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW WHO WAS OUT FOR MONEY BUT YOUR THE ONLY ONE WHO IS PAYING FOR IT RIGHT LMAO FAMILY DIDN'T MATTER AS LONG AS YOU COULD PAY YOUR BILLS.#5 I NEVER TOOK THE WORD OF MY FATHER ON ANYTHING I KNEW BETTER THAN THAT.#6 SEENS HOW YOU KNOW ME SO WELL WHY DON'T YOU TELL MY DAUGHTER YOUR STORY ABOUT ME.YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW I WENT BACK TO SCHOOL AND HAVE WORKED MY ASS OFF TO TAKE CARE OF MY CHILDREN AND RAISED THEM TO BE BETTER THAN ME RIGHT.CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT I DON'T HIDE ANYTHING FROM MY CHILDREN I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING YOU CAN SAY TO HER THAT SHE DOESN'T ALREADY KNOW....#7 I NEVER PASSED AND KIND OF JUDGEMENT OVER MY GODPARENT FOR ANY OF THIS TILL I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE LOAN AND EVEN THEN I THOUGHT TO MYSELF WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS WHY WOULD THEY PUT MY GRANDMOTHER OUT LIKE THIS OHHHHHHH THATS RIGHT $535,000 IS ALOT OF MONEY WELL WORTH PUTTING AUNT JEAN OUT FOR.#8 WE ALL KNOW WHO YOUR LITTLE RAT IS ON THE BLOCK SHE LIVES TO DOORS DOWN AND HAS NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO WITH HER TIME THEN WALK AROUND WITH HER NOSE IN EVERYONE'S BUISNESS TALK ABOUT NOT HAVING A LIFE.#9 AS FOR THE STUFF IN THE HOUSE I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ANY OF IT I GOT WHAT I WANTED FROM MY GRAM AND AUNT ANNIE WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE AND WELL JUST SO YOU KNOW ITS THE PETTYEST LIL THING TO ITS MY GRANDMOTHERS WEDDING ALBUM AND GUESS WHAT IT BELONGED TO ME ANYWAY...SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR MONEY THERY AND PISS IT OUT THE WINDOW.#10 DEEP DOWN IN YOUR HEARTS YOU KNOW IN SOME SMALL WAY YOU WERE WRONG BUT YOU WILL NEVER ADMIT IT.SO MANY TIMES I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU BUT FIGURED IF THEY FEEL THEY ARN'T WRONG WHY DIDN'T THEY DEFEND THEMSELVES WHY DIDN'T THEY CALL TO SAY HEY PLEASE BELEIVE ITS NOTHING WE ARE DOING CAUSE ALL WE WANT IS MONEY.#11 I CAN SEE YOU CALLING AUNT KETIE AND OLD BAG BUT NOT MY GRANDMOTHER SHE NEVER DID ANYTHING TO ANY OF YOU BUT LOVE YOU LIKE YOU LIKE HER OWN.#12 NO ONE HAS MISS INFORMED HER ABOUT HER GANDFATHER TRUST ME SHE KNOW'S THE TRUTH ABOUT HIM THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHE HAS TO HATE HIM SHE HAS ONLY MET HIM TWICE HER WHOLE LIFE IF SHE CHOSES TO GIVE HER GRANDFATHER A CHANCE THEN THATS HER CHOICE CAUSE HE WAS NO GOOD AT BEING A FATHER.SHE IS A LOVEING AND CAREING CHILD AND ONLY KNOWS HOW TO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE.#13 HOW CAN YOU SIT THERE AND CALL MY GRANDMOTHER A FREE LOADER LENNY I CAN SEE YES BUT YOUR ANUT JEAN COME ON WHERE'S YOUR HEART FOR HER SHE LOVED YOU.#14 I HAVE NO MORE TIME TO WASTE HERE ON THIS I DO WORK FOR A LIVING THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.AND IF YOU REALY REALY REALY FEEL THE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING TO ME AND NOT TO THE WORLD CALL!!!!

Posted by: guest at October 24, 2007 7:03 AM

im not here to vindicate myself but i want to set the record straight....gracie we both know you NEVER ever gave me money nor did i STEAL any money from you....what happened was you sent me a bunch of jewelry to sell for you{first time we talkrd in 10 years}then i called you to tell you i couldnt do it ,that nobody could afford it.you said show it around take your timeso i did...then i tried calling you twice to tell you it was a no go...left messages on your machine at that time...you never responed....so i called aunt annie and talked to her about it...told her that i was returning it and so aunt annie said to send it to her and she would sii to it that you got it back.....been down there 3xs since saw you twice and 3 days when ub=ncle joey passed and you never mentioned a word about it .so i figured everything was cool and that you got your stuff back....after that the next time you called me which was only a few months ago you were so worried about what my childern were thinking.
one thing i am in agreement with if there was all this trouble why didnt someone call us....you knew how lenny was , why did you give him the ins. policy...we should of been called and it would of been taken care of.
i talked to aunt annie every month and she would tell me every thing that was going on and half of what you say is true....we got in touch with someone at the police dept over on union street....and there was only 1 report of abuse from that address...did any one of you call ....NO.....we were left out of a lot of things and personally i dont give a shit no more...the people i knew that were still my family are now gone so i dont need to be a part of that family no more...everybody has something to say about somebody but nobody gave an inch to help....you were lucky any time you needed aunt any and uncle joey were there for you and i can say the same thing.....
and dont think for 1 moment peter and mandi and even lacey know what their father is all about..they know more then you think! their concern was their grandmother not him!

Posted by: guest at October 24, 2007 11:54 AM

Hello everyone. My name is Stephanie Visconti, daughter of the Anthony Visconti, deceased. I came upon this website thanks to Mandi. What is wrong with all of you???? WHY slander everyone? Obviously, no has the same story, so no one is gonna know what really happened. It saddens me greatly to see the house on Cheever Place being sold, as it was in our family forever. All the Christmases we ALL spent together there. Each year one of you played Santa. What happened? I know that after my father died, my mom struggled for years to keep a house over our heads. I dont remember anybody calling or coming over to help my mother. But we still have love in our hearts for all of you. REGARDLESS- we all need to be adult here. The party that IS in the wrong- you know who you are. and your time will come. BUT- lets leave the slander behind. I am too happy to have mandi and peter and their families to be back in my life. the past is the past. and now- with the house on Cheever Place gone, our past has been lost.
and the rest of you- who cant sign your names- what exactly are you afraid of?

Posted by: guest at October 26, 2007 11:04 AM

Mandy, First lets get this straight. All that posted in the beginning, when this all happened, I have no idea who they are. Think what you want to think. I started writing when i felt I had to defend my husband, Joseph. You seem to have a problem with the mortgage. The reason I will tell you what happened is because I want to, not because I have to. Uncle Joey got sick, Mary Fuggetta died (top floor). As It happened Katy's grandson Danny took out a mortgage on her house, and never paid for it. She lost the house. Aunt Annie gave her the top floor. Katie decided that because she was a sister she did not have to pay rent. There was a war. Then Uncle Joey passed away. When he died Aunt Annie lost his pension. So when you said we enjoyed his pension I was really hurt by that. All she was recieving a month from SS $560 per month. Joseph and I had no intention to sell that house, we were forced. There was an exsisting mortgage on the house from a long time age. If you must know they invested in a business that busted. Joseph and I paid for that mortgage, it was nobody's business. So there we were, paying for a mortgage, gas, electric, taxes, insurance and what ever happened around the house. What ever money we saved was going toard the house in Brooklyn. Finally our money ran out. We spoke to Aunt Annie to sell the house. We would build a house for her and Aunt Jean. Katie and her trouble making Cookie kept telling her not to sell, and they were turning Annie against her son. A son who did everything for her and her sisters all his life. So when you said he was never there that also hurt. Lets get back to the mortgage, because you are so interested in that money. What ever money Joseph and I had was gone. WE had to mortgage our own house. A house that we worked so hard to pay off. Now we had a mortgage in Brooklyn and a mortgage in New Jersey. Thats when your father came into the picture. No money was coming into the house except for the small SS check Annie was getting. WE reserved the money we mortgage money from our house, and used it toard the bills in Brooklyn. Money goes fast. Your father moved in Katie refused to pay a dime, and Aunt Annie had no concept of money. WE had to do something and fast. Katie kept complaining why was the house under Joseph's name. Why, because it was his parents house. It should be left to him. Katie and Cookie did not like that Idea, they did all they could to make things worse. We were at the point we had to do something. We needed money coming into the house. We refinanced the house in Brooklyn. We paid our house off. We were already losing the house in Brooklyn, why should we loose our house too.

Posted by: guest at October 26, 2007 7:33 PM

Let me continue. When your Father moved in he would take Aunt Annie to the checks cashed place by wheel chair, to cash her check. He would take the whole thing. Aunt Annie would ask us for money. She said she was broke. We found out it was your father who took the money. Your father also told your grandmother that he was sending Joe and I $200 for rent. That was a lie. I got in touch with SS and told them what was going on. THey never did enything about it. I had no right to do anything to Aunt Jeans check. Aunt Annie check was deposited right to the bank. Lenny couldn't get his hands on it. Annie was so messed up in the head, Katie and Cookie telling her how bad her son was she started to believe them. Katie told Cousin Johnnie that Joseph took all her money and left her with nothing. Johnnie called Joseph up on the phone and asked him about it. How do you think my husband felt, put yourself in his shoes. Thats when Joseph started to get sick. He had a breakdown. He was in the hospital a few times. His own mother was against him. They got their way. Thats why he was unable to go down there, he was very sick. We warned them that when Annie started to get sick we had no choice we had to sell the house. Thet had a long time to plan that they planned. When Annie died, we had to sell the house. Thats when your father called the news. The rest I'm sure you know. As far as your Grandmother joe and I offered to take her to our house. We had no intention to hurt her. She got caught up in the crap between Katie and your father. We offered to take her in your father said she doesn't need you she has me . The only thing he helped was to spend what was hers and destroy my husband. He was very close to Lenny growing up. He never expected this from all of you.Aunt Jean was loving to us. She made us feel welcome when we went to Brooklyn. All Annie ever did was hurt her son and make him cry. He will never forgive his mother she caused all of this in allowing everybody knowing family business, and never putting them in their place. Well Mandt I told you just about everything. You deside. Grace

Posted by: guest at October 26, 2007 8:00 PM

AS THE WORLD TURNS SO DO THE 'DAYS OF OUR LIVES'

Posted by: guest at October 29, 2007 10:06 PM

AS THE WORLD TURNS SO DO THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES COME INTO THE GUIDING LIGHT AND VISIT ALL OUR CHILDREN THEY ALL ARE IN GERNERAL HOSPITAL!!!! LMFAO

Posted by: guest at October 29, 2007 10:15 PM

CAUSE WE ARE ALL YOUNG AND RESTLESS !

Posted by: guest at October 29, 2007 10:18 PM

ONLY THOSE THAT ARE GONE ARE "BOLD AND BEAUTIFULLL"

Posted by: guest at October 29, 2007 10:21 PM

im not here to defend lenny in anyway cause as we all know he never sent linda a dime for the kids.and im very proud of the way she raised them ,they know they casnt get something for nothing.but as for lenny...HE GOT A MEDICAL DISCHARGE....hes villian enough without adding what you dont know.dont you dare make that child think otherwise....you are sooooo
egnorant

Posted by: guest at October 30, 2007 12:29 PM

all of you have nothing else to do. Get a life and stop watching the soaps. As for the guest who posted the comment about Lenny, learn how to spell.

Posted by: guest at October 31, 2007 5:18 PM

His didcharge status is nothing compaired to what the already know. They know that he a DEAD BEAT DAD...THEY KNOW THAT HE IS A CRACK HEAD...AND THAT HE BEAT HIS MOTHER, THAT POOR WOMAN WHO DESERVED THE WORLD, SHAME ON YOU.

Posted by: guest at October 31, 2007 5:34 PM

WOW ! DID NOT KNOW WE WERE IN A SPELLING CONTEST , OTHERWISE I WOULD OF LOOKED IT UP. I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE A OISSING CONTEST

Posted by: guest at October 31, 2007 10:44 PM

WOW ! DID NOT KNOW WE WERE IN A SPELLING CONTEST , OTHERWISE I WOULD OF LOOKED IT UP. I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE
OF PISSING CONTEST

Posted by: guest at October 31, 2007 10:45 PM

Do you people work? Do you thrive on other peoples heartache? Get a life.......

Posted by: guest at November 4, 2007 11:30 AM

'AND I DID IT MYYY WAYYY'

Posted by: guest at November 11, 2007 8:17 PM

Mandy you finally realized I wad right and have nothing to say. You were all talk before.

Posted by: guest at December 30, 2007 3:37 PM

to the person who decided to start this shit again
1}do you know MANDI,apparently not cause you dont know how to spell her name.
2]for an adult[i assume] the last time i looked was was spelled WAS and not wad.
3]you dont want to screw with mandi cause shell take a bite out of you that you will feel till the end of time!
4]shes not all talk but , boy you guys still love to run your suck.
every one of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
GROW UP !

Posted by: guest at January 5, 2008 1:33 AM

FIRST OF ALL MY NAME IS MANDI YOU BUNCH OF NON SPELLING GINNI WOPS.SECOND OF ALL I HAVE A LIFE SOME OF US DO WORK FOR A LIVING AND CAN'T SPEND ALL DAY PUSHING BUTTONS WE CAN'T EVEN FIND.LET ME TELL YOU ALL ALIL SOMETHING ME I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO WITH MY TIME THEN SIT HERE AND GO BACK AND FORTH WITH WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S WRONG AND IF I HAD MY WAY YOU WOULD ALL BURN FOR MY GRAMS PAIN AGIAN THIS IS NOT ABOUT UUUUUUUUUUUU ANYMORE ALL THAT KEPT US A FAMILY IS GONE SO STOP WASTING YOUR TIME CAUSE LIKE MY MOTHER SAY'S I DO BITE AND WHEN I DO YOU WILL ALL BE SCARED FOR LIFE.AND NO ONE HAS SHUT ME UP MY OWN MOTHER CAN'T DO IT WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN.SO I GUESS YOU SHOULD ALL GET A LIFE CAUSE YOUR ALL THE ONES LEAVIN THE COMMENTS NOW.AND UNLIKE ANY OF YOU I DO HAVE RESPECT FOR MY MOTHER AND EVEN IN HER DARKEST HOURS I WOULD NEVER SELL HER OUT UNLIKE ALLLLLLLLL OF YOU......HAPPY NEW YEAR LOSERS

Posted by: guest at January 6, 2008 7:10 PM

Mandi it seems to me you never changed, once a rag always a rag. I was told you looked like a tramp at your grandmothers wake. That came from a family member. You were all full of tats and boobs hanging out. So once a trailer park skank always a trailer park skank.

Posted by: guest at January 26, 2008 6:14 PM

you want to get down and dirty? you dont even know what trailer park trash is ....youv lived off people all your lives ....every one of you. your not a family....people like you dont have families that just have people there to see what you can get...gee lets see....uncle joey and aunt annie went on a 'busniness venture' and went bust ...gee i wonder hows busniness it was...and when living on s.i. who paid the rent and fed 'them' and when they lived on cheever place who fed them and paid the rent....and when they bought their first house who gave them the money..who paid for all the big annversaries.....please give me a break.at least the one woman knew how to get out while she still had a life and raised her kids the 'hard way'...did she hear from any of you....did you call or write her...did you keep any kind of contact NO.......the only ones she kept in touch with were the ones that counted......you have no idea what she knows and how many times annie called her crying trying to get jean to move to maine....she would of been better of with the people who really loved and cared for her besides annie and joey.....of course katie was screwed too ...so it dont say much for them either......the only decent people in that family is charles and johnny.....why do you think they dont bother with any of you...their not stupid...they stood up to the plate when jean passed...because some stupid ass people gave lenny the ins policy !you knew hed do what he did....so its more their fault then anyone elses....if it was sent to maine things would of been taken care of! the roght way.
you talk about mandi and her boobs[lol] thats real cute but i forgot that nobody can beat cookie with her 'fake' boobs and her pancake makeup .....90 going on 10
so if you still want to sling some hash....bring it on .....i know way more then you think !

Posted by: guest at January 27, 2008 11:10 PM

this is for joseph
REMEMBER ITS YOUR PIC UP THERE
LOL

Posted by: guest at January 27, 2008 11:14 PM

to the guest this is for Joseph. What do you mean? Sorry to hear about Uncle Ninny. Hope he rests in peace And he will he is finally rid of Katy and her thiefing family. Thank God the carmarda family ran out of brothers.Katy would of moved on to the next brother. She ruined many a family. Uncle Taddo's family, the Carmarda family, and her nephew Joseph and his family. They spoke about greed. The greed was with Kath and her daughter Cookie and Lenny. Nobody knows the true story.

Posted by: guest at February 2, 2008 10:36 AM

i m sorry to hear about ninny...i didnt know until i read this...and ill tell you you are right ..katie just loves to squeeze the life out of anyone....believe me i know.yes i was a part of this family and still was up until jean died that ended it for me.annie told me herself how ashamed she was of the things her son was doing to her but she had no choice.im not going to say cause its water under the bridge.
id like to know who katie is going to feed off of now cause her own kids dont want her.and their are no more old men around that i know of...her kids sucked her dry and a couple of grandkids screwd her good and its her own fault.
what really got me angry was when i first read these and the person who wrote in and said the two old ladies should be tied to the railroad tracks....thats a horrible thing to say.annie had a mouth and said what was on her mind and i loved her for it.....jean was the sensitive one,and katie is cold blooded....i always wondered why the rest of the family like frank and josie and all their kids never bothered with anybody...you can see why.....look at how all their kids grew up...cookie is greedy too along with joseph,frankie is a thief,lenny is a drug addict....you know i can say one thing ....thank god linda took her kids out of here id hate to think theyd be like that.
they always called jean and annie every month and annie got mad if they didnt call collect...lenny never paid a dime in child support either,but she had her mother and father to help her up there....i heard she bought a house and is married to a lovely man...GOOD FOR HER.as far as the rest ...everything comes full circle!

Posted by: guest at February 2, 2008 10:15 PM

to the guest who compared Joseph with cookie as being greedy. He sold that house because he had no choice. He had no intention of ever doing that. When Annie died and he took over they all decided not to pay any rent. He had to mortgage his own house to keep it up. When that money ran out that was it. He had to sell it. Nobody knows that Joseph offered Jean a place to live, his own house. Lenny wanted no part of that, because he wouldn't have her check to live on. As far as Annie saying those things about her son, day after day Katy would poison her mind against him. Everybody forgot how Joseph was there for them all those years, not Cookie or Frankie and forget about Lenny. The only fault Joseph had was he didn't have the courage to defend himself. Joseph has not been the same since his mother died. She was never on his side about anything. He had to live with the fact that his mother took everybody in her family over him. You seem to know the family, do you ever remember Joseph not being loving and caring to his mother. Katy and Cookie made sure they came first. Joseph greedy, never, those people lived in that house a year and a half free.The news made him out to be a horrible person. The horrible people lived in that house., not Jean she got caught up in that horror. In the end she was always on Lenny's side as a mother should. Joseph never felt that type of love from his mother. It's all very sad.

Posted by: guest at February 4, 2008 6:53 PM

Mandi with an i. First of all it sounds like that was a threat, mabye I should report you. I'm a neighbor on Cheever Place. A lot of people are getting sick and tired of hearing your mouth. Your such a tough girl. Bring it on. You want to sling crap about Joey, now its my turn. He wanted to surprise your grandmother, he invited your family to his sons wedding. Jean went crazy. She didn't want any of you there. She started yelling at Joseph and said every time you come to visit her it costs her money, money she has to borrow from Annie. Joseph said it was to late. How did that thoughtful act repay him. Lenny robbed the money Jean put in the envelop (by the way Carmine and Charles saw him do it)Then to top it all your youngest sister was all over the band, that Grace had to yell at her. The only thing that Annie and Joey did for Joseph and Grace was invest in that first business. Things happen. I don't know where you got your information from, but they paid for it. The hate Lenny and Cookie have for Joseph they would say anything to make themselves look good to Annie. Do you want more? Your mother and father couldn't even hold an apartment. Most of the time you lived Jean.More? Ask your mother about Larry Torres and Having Joe Vaccarino's baby. So you see Mandi with an I , I do know plenty about your godforsaken family. Joseph was the only sane one in that family, and to bad Anthony died. Jean always said the wrong son died. Want much more. Keep it up.

Posted by: guest at February 4, 2008 10:10 PM

A friend of mine told me about what you have been saying about Joseph and Gracie. You have no idea what your are talking about. Joe had no choice. Everybody in that house lived for free. How much could he do. Your father ruined everything he had a good thing and took advantage of it. Joseph and Gracie did nothing wrong to your grandmother, it was your father and his socalled wife. They blead her dry. They took all her money. Not Joseph, he offered her a place to live, your father made sure that would not happen. So think about it. Who is really the blame. Your father made her last years a horror. Ask all the neighbors. They know what really happened.

Posted by: guest at February 5, 2008 7:53 PM

Anybody else have anything else to say. Everybody worried about the house when it was up for sale. Cookie, Katy and the rest of the greedy Bolognas were all concerned about the money and what was left in the house. Where were they when the kitchen went in did they offer any money, no. When the new windows went in not a dime was offered. Did they pay the bills? No. They wanted no part of that, but when Joseph was left the house nobody liked that. Katy was the first one to bitch. Like she and her grubby family were entitled to anything. Greed doesn't lie with Joseph. Greedy Cookie and Katy they can't get theirs on their own they have to depend on someone else. Cookie robbed anything she could out of that house when Annie was in the hospital. I could go on and on.

Posted by: guest at February 6, 2008 5:51 PM

you people are the scum of the earth to say suc a thing about linda.....she tried like hell to hold that marriage together....your just jealouse....why dont you confront larry or joe...wait no ..as a mater of fact im going to get in touch with them....that blog only PROVES that that BLOCK will never change.you talk about things you dont even know......when her child went into the hospital for weeks did any of you or that family including the scum of the earth lenny go see that child?she had cancer you dumb asses she could of died....did any of you care...not likely ....linda spent day and night in the hospitalS....do you all know why she left lenny besides his fooling around with every whore he could including his wife....know the facts....he molested his daugther,thats why and she found out when she was pregnant with lacy....know your facts...to which lacy needed a blood transfusion you bunch of assholes and her mother and father were both compatable but he was affraid of needles the chicken shit.ive known linda since 1963...im her oldest friend you dont know me and i dont care ...she told me EVERYTHING...neighbors,friends,nosy bodies..old biddies...family...so none of you have room to talk...you all have skeletons in your closets..she didnt want to hurt jean and tell her the reall reason...only anthony knew and understood.yes she had an affair ...you can all run your lips about that but at least just waited till after she moved out of her husbands house...she got sick of his shit....no money.....and he was paid good money...yes his mother paid the rent , the electric,both mothers paid for the kids clothes because lenny wouldnt do it....ask denis...why do you think he dont bother anymore.why do you think linda went to school.she lived without gas the entire time she lived on cheever (peyton place)cause he wouldnt pay for it....he told his mother that he gave linda money to pay the bills and she spent it on avon and bingo...go figure....lets see ...bowling...bars strip joints and girlfriends all came befor her and the kids...KNOW YOUR FACTS !
shes got more shit that is going on in her life that you could ever have and deals with it like a pro....so as for my oldest and dearest friend i applaud her....as for the rest of the shit she could care less...its not in her life anymore...and you people just keep on running and flapping your lips.
KNOW MORE
THE BUCK STOPS HERE!
KNOW THE FACTS !

Posted by: guest at February 8, 2008 8:39 PM

This is Joseph's wife Grace. I'v been reading this crap from day one. Everybody new the true story of Lenny. When I married into this family I was very young. I met all of my husbands cousins when I was just 17. Lenny and Anthony were like my brothers. When Anthony died I was sick. I only new Joe's family. I was Joe's wife, but I was always on the outside looking in. The last dime in my pocket I would of bet that in the end this would of happened to my husband. Linda, you know Joseph a long time. Can you honestly say he did what everybody is saying. Just the way your friend just defended you, I need to defend my husband. Joe was always there for his mother. She called, he jumped. She would tell him to do for this one and that one, he jumped. Katy, Cookie and Frankie were that part of the family that had to be watched. Before my father-in-law died he said to Joseph and I watch out for them. All the years with Lenny Inever thought he would do that to Joseph. My father-in-law layed in his bed and Lenny robbed the house. Annie would not listen to Joseph or her husband. Annie and Jean would sneek Lenny in the house. Joe and I never entended to sell the house. When Katy came into the picture everything changed. Right from the start she said "why should I pay rent" When my father-in-law died Annie lost his pension. Where do you think the money came from Joseph and I. Annie would not sell the house. We understood why. We had to something and fast. We refinanced our own home to pay for the house on Cheever Place. Jean always worried about Lenny. Joe found him and said I will fix upstairs for you, that would make Jean happy. That turned out to be a mistake Joseph and I always loved Aunt Jean she always made us feel welcomed and glad to see us. My mother-in-law never showed us that. My kids were never close to her either. She never has a nice word to say to them. When they went to kiss her hello, she would turn her head. So they stopped. Again Jean did love us. She would tell Annie to shut up. So Lenny moved in. Lenny would make Jean and Annie cash their SS checks and he would take it all. Joe and I paid for the house, it cost us $5000 to run that house. When Annie died thats when the shit hit the fan. Katy refused to pay rent from the beginning. We had to try to get her out of that house. She caused so mush trouble. If Lenny paid what he promised Joseph it would of helped. I new he would never pay, but my gullable husband, that I love, thought he still had the love of Lenny as he did as a kid. Lenny went as far as telling him,"you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth and I am going to make you choke on it". I'm going to make sure you spend every dime you have on this house. Between Katy Cookie and Lenny the family my husband grew up with and loved, they stuck it up his ass. He was hurt, he never expected it. It put him into a deep depression and had a breakdown. Thank God a grandson was born that helped him. Linda, Mandi,Peter this had nothing to do with your Grandmother, we loved her. She was more of a mother to Joe then his own mother was. We wanted to give her what time she had left happy. She got caught in this because of her son Lenny. He would have no part of her moving with us. He would have no control over her check. As for the insurance policy, we asked our lawyer, we were told we had to give it to him. His name was on it. We knew what he would do with it. We had no choice. In the end he turned out to be the loving son, and my husband got the kick in the ass.

Posted by: guest at February 9, 2008 12:00 PM

dear grace,
ill tell you the truth what you and joe did or had to do is understandable...jean meant the world to us all and you know that...what im upset with is the FACT that all these people writing in saying they know this and they know that and there the neighbors and there friends when there all just a bunch o back stabbing sons a bitches...you also know that as well as i do....a story will start at one and and blow up by the time it got to the other.....my girlfriend called me late last night and told me what she did .....so i figured id come in tonight to see wht she wrote and when i saw the shit about larry and me and that i had vaccis baby...i just about flipped out....i callled pat and joe and i also emailed this to them, wheather they will reply to it or not i dont know...but it was a descrase to see that ....and to say to mandi that the reason she lived with jean for a while was because we couldnt pay the rent ...dont they know my baby was in the hospital for 7 weeks ...you noticed they didnt say nothing about where pete was cause he was with my mother..'outta sight outta mind' that block will never change....i know that didnt come from the family either just to let you know that...it was someone on that scum of a block.
as far as that remark about mandi and her BOOBS,,,all i can say to that is at least hers are real...what is cookie jealous.katie has 2 winners in her court i dont have to sit her and hand out names but they know what they are...and you know who they are too.
and just to let the world know lenny is living in sheepheads bay in a hotle room....sto;e some guy cell phone and called the kids on it.so some things will never change..
this is it for me ...i havent been in here in quite a while....who knows if ill even bother coming back but one thing i have to say and this is not for you gracie or joseph
ATT;CHEEVEER PL
I HAVE FOUR CHILDERN
PETER A VISONTI
MADELAINA M VISCONTI

Posted by: guest at February 9, 2008 6:40 PM

dear grace,
ill tell you the truth what you and joe did or had to do is understandable...jean meant the world to us all and you know that...what im upset with is the FACT that all these people writing in saying they know this and they know that and there the neighbors and there friends when there all just a bunch o back stabbing sons a bitches...you also know that as well as i do....a story will start at one and and blow up by the time it got to the other.....my girlfriend called me late last night and told me what she did .....so i figured id come in tonight to see wht she wrote and when i saw the shit about larry and me and that i had vaccis baby...i just about flipped out....i callled pat and joe and i also emailed this to them, wheather they will reply to it or not i dont know...but it was a descrase to see that ....and to say to mandi that the reason she lived with jean for a while was because we couldnt pay the rent ...dont they know my baby was in the hospital for 7 weeks ...you noticed they didnt say nothing about where pete was cause he was with my mother..'outta sight outta mind' that block will never change....i know that didnt come from the family either just to let you know that...it was someone on that scum of a block.
as far as that remark about mandi and her BOOBS,,,all i can say to that is at least hers are real...what is cookie jealous.katie has 2 winners in her court i dont have to sit her and hand out names but they know what they are...and you know who they are too.
and just to let the world know lenny is living in sheepheads bay in a hotle room....sto;e some guy cell phone and called the kids on it.so some things will never change..
this is it for me ...i havent been in here in quite a while....who knows if ill even bother coming back but one thing i have to say and this is not for you gracie or joseph
ATT;CHEEVEER PL
I HAVE FOUR CHILDERN
PETER A VISONTI
MADELAINA M VISCONTI
MARGARET D VISCONTI
MARIA C BRUNO

Posted by: guest at February 9, 2008 6:41 PM

MARGARET D VISCONTI
MARIA C BRUNO
AND THEY ALL KNOW WHO THEIR FATHER IS !

Posted by: guest at February 9, 2008 6:43 PM

MARGARET D VISCONTI
MARIA C BRUNO
AND THEY ALL KNOW WHO THEIR FATHER IS. ONES A SCUMBAG, ONE IS WITH GOD AND THE FATHER THAT THEY HAVE KNOWN FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS IS HERE WITH ME!
GOOBYE

Posted by: guest at February 9, 2008 6:52 PM

Linda Annie was not the kind hearted person you might of thought she was. She said very cruel things about everything and every one. She talked behind everybody's back including you. I'm sure she said plenty about me. When all this happened with my husband, Katy told me Annie called me the bitch and it was because of me Joseph was doing this. Joe's grandmother's silver set, it should of been passed on to me and then my children. True? She gave it to KathyAnn. And Cookie made us know it. There are so many things I can say, but what's the use.Enough is enough. My only concern is to get back my husbands good mental health. He will never be the same. When he had the breakdown, it was a terrable time for my family. Look a lot of things were said. Most of them in anger. I hope Mandi can realize it wasn't what we wanted. All of you have a good life. Goodby. Grace.

Posted by: guest at February 12, 2008 7:01 PM

Linda Annie was not the kind hearted person you might of thought she was. She said very cruel things about everything and every one. She talked behind everybody's back including you. I'm sure she said plenty about me. When all this happened with my husband, Katy told me Annie called me the bitch and it was because of me Joseph was doing this. Joe's grandmother's silver set, it should of been passed on to me and then my children. True? She gave it to KathyAnn. And Cookie made us know it. There are so many things I can say, but what's the use.Enough is enough. My only concern is to get back my husbands good mental health. He will never be the same. When he had the breakdown, it was a terrable time for my family. Look a lot of things were said. Most of them in anger. I hope Mandi can realize it wasn't what we wanted. All of you have a good life. Goodby. Grace.

Posted by: guest at February 12, 2008 7:01 PM

Now that what has happened to my husband is yesterday's news, I've got something to say. To all the asses who made all the cold hearted remarks, get a life. People like you live off others heartache. You people have nothing to do? To all the family members who grew up with my husband and know what kind of person he really is screw all of you. It was all onesided. All you saw were two elders. These elders had their own family to take care of them. I don't mean Lenny and Patty, the only thing they took care of was Aunt Jeans SS check. Cookie and Frankie wanted nothing to do with their mother. My husband got stuck with her. All they wanted was what she had in the bank. They both have houses with extra rooms. Is that why you put her in a nursing home. It just looked like Lenny was taking care of his mother. It was a roof over his head. He used to live in Prospect Park in the summer and on the trains in the winter. Who had it better then him. My husband put a roof over his head and he used his mothers money and Annie's furniture. There is a God. I hope all of you get yours. I would never wish anyone harm in the past. Now I only wish you suffer as you made my husband suffer.

Posted by: guest at February 23, 2008 2:12 PM