House of the Day: 121-123 Fort Greene Place

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It’s not often that two adjacent houses come up for sale at the same time, let alone ones that are identical twins, so this new listing at 121 and 123 Fort Greene Place in, you guessed it, Fort Greene is worth taking a look at. The houses don’t have stoops, but they do have plenty of original detail. Judging from the pics, though, and the fact that both buildings have been under the same ownership for at least three decades, we’re betting that they’re going to need some work. While not a park block, the location is super convenient. The combined asking price of $2,724,000 doesn’t sound like a reach to us, but we suppose it’ll all turn on how much work needs to be done. If that number’s beyond your each, the two buildings are also for sale separately, though we hear that there’s been plenty of interest already.
121-23 Fort Greene Place [Brown Harris Stevens] GMAP P*Shark

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  • Lovely location – It may be worth it – Brownstone Condos, Live/rental.

    It’s a shame the block isn’t kept up as well as other Fort Greene blocks.

  • The map is wrong. This is actually on the block between Lafayette and Hanson, which is kept up pretty well (a lot better than the block between Fulton and DeKalb).

  • nice ghetto ass curtains, please dont be trying to sell a house for 3 million dollars and show pictures of curtains straight out of a third world country.

    *rob*

  • In many ways it’s a brilliant location, in many ways not. Some buyers might be prepared to sacrifice convenience for a stronger residential atmosphere (ie. a block deeper into the neighborhood) since this is almost the Downtown Brooklyn business district. Also the proximity to Atlantic Mall won’t find find favor with all. If these houses were on a prime block I could see a very deep-pocketed Wall St type knocking them together to create one giant home.

  • OMG,

    This is EXACTLY what I am talking about!!!
    Who the fuck ties curtains in a fukking knot???? Who does this?????

    This is so freaking ugly, and tacky…

    There is this new invention called “tie backs” they are used to tie curtains back so they do not have to be tied in a knot…..

    Who ever took this picture to represnt this home for sale should have their head examined and told the owners to untie the curtains, because it looks tacky…
    people that do this, need to be told it looks terrible…and very low class and ghetto.

  • Um, stargazer maybe it’s an older person who has lived there for decades and can barely move, much less change out curtains.

    Why do you always have to be so nasty?

    Most people truly interested in purchasing brownstones are able to look past paint, curtains and other superficial things like that. You are clearly not one of these people.

  • I would turn it into 6 luxury green Condominiums :
    4 three bedrooms duplexes and 2 two bedrooms floor through.

    1.2 million for the duplex (1800 sqf three-bedrooms 2 1/2 bath and an home office.
    Any buyers?

  • I agree, this is very ghetto ass. We have paper over our windows, printed with the legend “Peel Away — Caution, do not touch, chemical paint removal in process” in bright red type. They are attached with blue painter’s tape. It’s a very nice color combo. Much more chic and trendy than these ghetto ass curtains here.

    When a fellow Brownstone commenter saw it, he exclaimed, “What are you doing using Peel Away paper for curtains! That stuff is expensive.” You see, it’s a very big status symbol. Conspicuous consumption. Just like the rest of our house, which is really nothing but a big dollar symbol over a cellar.

  • Also, it is two houses they are selling for $3 million. A bargain. I suspect that if they sold both for $6 million, they could afford our nice Peel-Away window treatments.

  • It’s one of the few blocks that you can’t get google streetview. From the pic it looks like there’s only one entrance so buildings may already be combined? Listing doesn’t mention # of units or show floorplans.

    I believe it’s owned by a non-profit corp and set up as transitional housing for addicts
    http://www.projectrenewal.org/addiction.html#house

    Yeah, those folks have no taste whatsoever in window treatments.

    A ton of space, but a likely a ton of work to be done.

  • Stargazer: If a buyer can’t see beyond those curtains, they really shouldn’t be in the marketplace to begin with. And nor should you.

  • quote:
    This is EXACTLY what I am talking about!!!
    Who the fuck ties curtains in a fukking knot???? Who does this?????

    back in day my grandmother used to refer to that style as Hoboken… tho now hoboken is yuppieville…

    *rob*

  • “people that do this, need to be told it looks terrible…and very low class and ghetto.”

    Really?

    The only thing low class and ghetto about this is your comment, in my personal opinion.

  • except stargazer is right, that style really did used to be called ghetto.. i guess it’s neo-ghetto now? windows are like the teeth of the house. the first thing ye shall be judge on…

    *rob*

  • It says the home has had the same owner for the last 3 decades. It’s probably an older person, Rob. Sorry he or she hasn’t been able to keep up with all of the latest window covering trends to satisfy you and Stargazer.

  • and yes rich people can get passed curtains like that, but it’s still a psychological barrier that screams low rent. why not spruce it up and WORK FOR YOUR COMMISSION!

    *rob*

  • and yes rich people can get passed curtains like that, but it’s still a psychological barrier that screams low rent. why not spruce it up and WORK FOR YOUR COMMISSION!

    *rob*

  • quote:
    It says the home has had the same owner for the last 3 decades. It’s probably an older person, Rob. Sorry he or she hasn’t been able to keep up with all of the latest window covering trends to satisfy you and Stargazer.

    i could give a flying poop stick! my window treatment is nicotine stained mini-blinds from the late 80s! i am not one to judge! im just saying that for a 3 million dollar house, the broker should aim a little higher. it’s unprofessional and lazy.

    *rob*

  • I’d only offer if the ghetto-ass curtains convey with the house.

  • Um… it’s not an older person, it’s 24 men in recovery. Buyers who can shell out $2.7 for this property and then sink another $1 million give or take on renovation may not be deterred by the fact that the staging for the photos was done by crack addicts.

    If looking down your nose at their style makes you feel superior, good for you.

  • STARGAZER is just upset that this person with such low class will have more money than he does with the sale of these properties!!!

  • quote:
    Um… it’s not an older person, it’s 24 men in recovery.

    lol. okay then, what that’s pretty funny… those are some pretty frilly curtains for 24 men. now that i know those are legit crackhead curtains, i kinda sorta like it!

    *rob*

  • DIBS, no I’m not upset. I just think it looks disgusting.

    I also know, how to look past it, I know as soon as the building is bought the curtains come of…DUH !!

    But purely for pictures sake, not only are the curtains tied in a knot, they are different.

    BTW, My grandmother who was 85, never did that.

    Where I come from, people do not do this.

  • lfmao, you just let some crackhead curtains cause you to become unhinged!

    *rob*

  • When are you going to start on the covers on the arms of the armchair????

  • Rob, you and stargazer are the ones becoming unhinged. Who cares what the curtains look like? The people are selling the house, not their decorating services.

    For a guy who spends all day on the blog flogging the pretentious tastes of the yuppie rich, you sound just like them, making fun of some curtains, and calling people you know nothing about, ghetto. Well, when these ghetto fools sell their houses for a couple of million, while you are selling your metrocard to buy food and 40′s, I’m sure you’ll still manage to feel superior.

  • i’d hardly call that a win :-/ and such a lovely personal attack to boot!

    *rob*

  • It says the home has had the same owner for the last 3 decades. It’s probably an older person, Rob. Sorry he or she hasn’t been able to keep up with all of the latest window covering trends to satisfy you and Stargazer.

    no, it says the owners are freaking stupid fucks that do not know how to hang curtains properly….

    and it doesn’t have to be current and trendy, but tied in a knot was never in style…..

  • You have shown your true colors, stargazer. Low class and ghetto.

  • No more personal than spending 8 separate posts trashing the people who own the house, as well as their real estate broker. You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.

  • lol, mm.

    Would be great to combine into a forty foot wide mansion, even if that’s not historically correct.

  • I better get new windows in my house. My 1980s vinyl windows are beginning to make me feel really ghetto.

  • quote:
    No more personal than spending 8 separate posts trashing the people who own the house, as well as their real estate broker.

    um please show me where i made fun of actual people who own the house. most likely it’s some rich bastard getting a kickback from the state who owns this house anyway considering it’s a recovery house. sorry, but the curtains ARE ghetto. and never once did i ever claim myself not to be! excuuuse me but i have a very keen eye for spotting low class, white trash, and ghetto home decor!

    *rob*

  • and it’s nervy as hell to advertise and try to sell a 3 million dollar house with pics that look like that. would you try selling a high priced hooker who didnt shower or properly wax? no, you wouldn’t. it doesnt make sense, youd price her her like a crack ho, not price her like a high class call girl! why do real estate brokers get away with wwhat pimps can’t?

    *rob*

  • rob, have you ever bought either a house or a hooker??? No, I didn’t think so. Most times the curtains never match the drapes in either.

  • My beef is with crappy broker. They could be seeing a commission of $135K and they post 3 pictures of all the details, blah ,blah, blah. Would it have taken so much effort to take down the offending curtains so they didn’t distract from the original details.

  • It’s 2.7 million for TWO houses.

    On their own, they are cheap (for the area) and are clearly fixer uppers. Curtains are probably the last thing anyone looking for an inexpensive fixer would be fixated on.

  • You have shown your true colors, stargazer. Low class and ghetto.

    I bet you hang your curtains the same way, if you even have curtains, and your windows are probably dirty also.

    Now take a look at them, and think of me.

    Did I strike a nerve????? I think so………..

  • Wow, you’ve got issues lady.

  • I agree, DeLepp, it’s a shitty listing.

  • I would turn it into 6 luxury green Condominiums :
    4 three bedrooms duplexes and 2 two bedrooms floor through.

    1.2 million for the duplex (1800 sqf three-bedrooms 2 1/2 bath and an home office.

    Any buyers?

    What do you think?

  • I prefer unwaxed hookers and unrenovated houses.

  • lol go clean your dirty ass windows 11217!! stargazer has never been on my radar before.. i like her spunk!

    *rob*

  • I think we are seeing a clash between the old and new Brooklyn here.

    When I was a kid, tying curtains in a knot was considered to be really, really low class. Now, apparently, it is the thing to do!

    The first time I took my dad to my daughter’s new apartment, he recoiled in horror when he saw that she had tied the curtain in a knot. He was amazed when I told him that it was the fashionable thing to do nowadays.

    BTW: Stargazer is a she???

  • quote:
    rob, have you ever bought either a house or a hooker??? No, I didn’t think so.

    so what! ive seen both of those activities on the internet!
    i watch a lot of HGTV and ive seen a lot of porn!

    *rob*

  • I’ve come to expect few relevant pictures from BHS, but the lack of floorplan is annoying. They usually give you at least that. Is there a floorplan on their site that I’m somehow missing?

  • see, i KNEW it was considered low class to tie your curtains like that!!! it was in north jersey where i am from, at least when my grandparents were living there! “hoboken” was always used as a derogatory term for low class decor and furniture. also for people who had to dry their clothes on a wash line lol

    *rob*

  • Moonfaces tie their curtains in a knot.

  • Frankly- depending on the curtain and fabric I happen to like knotted curtains. I never heard of it being low class but we grew up with Venetian Blinds- which I can’t stand. But I happen to like the sculptural quality and drape of fabric, having been a wedding and costume designer in one of my former lives. And as an artist, I like sculptural things.

    As for calling it “low-class and ghetto,”- well it takes a certain kind of person to stereotype like that.

  • in harlem i had bright neon green curtains tied in knots to the side, but i would never actually have taken a picture of and tried to sell it as a 3 million dollar house! they were also nailed to the woodwork of the window frame cuz i couldnt be asked to actually use all that stuff from the hardware store and a curtain rod.

    *rob*

  • Ok, this is not the greatest ad in the world, and the broker did not show the house to its best advantage. However, I think the fact that it could potentially be a great deal to get 2 buildings for the price of one, that most intelligent adults with money in their pockets can overlook some curtains with knots in them.

    However, there are children amongst us who did not learn manners, and were never taught that it is pretty low class, and insensitive to make fun of those who perhaps did not have the same financial or social advantages that many of us had. Some of us were taught that when we saw things in other people’s houses, or being worn by other folk, that perhaps our elders taught us were not classy, or upscale or new, or signified that these people were even poorer than ourselves, that we kept our snobbish judgements to ourselves, and show some class of our own. Because when we do mouth off, we run the distinct risk of looking to be the least classy, the most superficial, and most deserving of ridicule, not the people with the knotted curtains.

    Enough already.

  • Aw come on folks, leave Rob alone on this one.

    Is there anyone here more judgmental than Mr. B, who sometimes raises the issue of recessed lighting, fedder construction, using tile as an outside material and other design choices to the level of a moral crusade? And unlike Rob, he tries to hide his disdain in coded language. I don’t see too many folks dumping on him though.

  • quote:
    I never heard of it being low class but we grew up with Venetian Blinds- which I can’t stand.

    ugh. i HATED those. i remember my grandmother thinking we were all fancy pants when we got those. :-/

    *rob*

  • This reminds me of my grandmother’s curtain rods. They were like lightning bolts which went around their bay window in their apt in union city. great deco style, wonder what happened to them.

  • quote:
    However, there are children amongst us who did not learn manners, and were never taught that it is pretty low class, and insensitive to make fun of those who perhaps did not have the same financial or social advantages that many of us had. Some of us were taught that when we saw things in other people’s houses, or being worn by other folk, that perhaps our elders taught us were not classy, or upscale or new, or signified that these people were even poorer than ourselves, that we kept our snobbish judgements to ourselves, and show some class of our own. Because when we do mouth off, we run the distinct risk of looking to be the least classy, the most superficial, and most deserving of ridicule, not the people with the knotted curtains.

    yet it’s perfectly okay (and ive seen YOU do it too) to mock fedders buildings and anything that isnt 300 years old, right? :-/

    *rob*

  • DeLepp, you can still find those on sale on Ebay. Those great 1920′s double swing rods with the Deco lightning bolts and arrows. Look in the antique section, under architectural and garden. I’ve bought them for clients for around $20 pair.

  • Headline rewrite: Much Ado About Knotting.

  • benson- yet if this were a place in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst and you perceived him as making fun of Italians, you would be all over his behind. We’ve all seen you do it- so why does rob get a pass from you here?

  • I tied my sheers in knots when my kittens were young so they couldn’t climb up. Three different neighbors made remarks to me along the lines of, “What is the deal w/ those curtains?” I hadn’t been aware that anyone really paid close attention to my windows. Very glad I don’t live in one of those developments where window treatments are dictated.

  • mm, $20 is cheap. Considering what I paid for my restoration hardware rods I need to take a look at ebay, thanks

  • Bxgrl;

    Rob is not trying to sterotype an ethnic group here, he made a comment about the person’s taste. I don’t see anything else beyond that. In other words, I don’t see any “code” in his musings.

  • I make negativecomments about Fedders buildings, but not the owners. I have never mocked a Fedders owner, or the owner of anything I might not like, and I defy anyone to find where I did. I may say I don’t like a certain decor, or a certain building, but I have never trashed anyone’s home. I am very careful about that, because I don’t think it’s right.

    If you think all I do is “mock fedders buildings and anything that isnt 300 years old”, then you really haven’t been keeping up.

    Benson’s assertion that Brownstoner’s comments about the things that he doesn’t like are some kind of “moral crusade” says more about Benson’s constant harping of the “morality” of preservation, or his assertion that there is none. Not going there, today.

  • I knew I shouldn’t have gotten involved, but since Montrose is making statements on my behalf, let me respond: I have never claimed that there is a moral issue, or lack of one, wrt preservation. My arguments wrt preservation pertain to economics and urban planning.

  • forget the curtains. Is there a bike lane on this street?

  • I’m surprised everybody bothers to answer them. You think Brownie pays them to write stupid comments on the curtains to up the comments and page views? If he doesn’t, it sure works, anyway…answering them just encourages them.

    When I see a listing like this, I just assume the house is being marketed as a major rehab, gut reno probably, possibly marketed to condo developers, meaning bring your contractor or architect, and it isn’t for those who merely want to buy a home. Those looking to renovate majorly likely get the code, call the broker, make an appointment, schedule their contractor.

    Lack of pictures to me means … you really don’t want to see the condition. And maybe it is still occupied (probably is, since it says will be delivered vacant.)

    Seems to be there may be a broker strategy here – they end up not having to waste time dealing with those who don’t want to take on something major, since they can’t see nice pictures… And look at the comments from one picture – can you imagine if there were more?

  • quote:
    benson- yet if this were a place in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst and you perceived him as making fun of Italians, you would be all over his behind. We’ve all seen you do it- so why does rob get a pass from you here?

    actually those hoboken style (lol) of curtains WERE used by low class italians in north jersey (my GREAT grandmother being one of them.) and my grandmother making fun of having to live like that growing up.. sorry but im not going to be PC and hold my tongue when it comes to window treatmeent.

    *rob*

  • He called it “ghetto.” Maybe rob has a more expanded and less detrimental definition, but that doesn’t take away from what that word means in code. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

    BTW- your daughter exhibits uncommon good sense in a number of areas, benson ;)

  • Sure benson, all those condemnations of preservationists being “morally bankrupt” don’t count. Whatever.

    Rob didn’t have to name ethnic groups. “Ghetto” is a loaded enough phrase as it is, saying much, while technically not saying anything.

  • brokelin, understand your point but then why talk up the original details and then show a picture of one fireplace and a hallway.

  • Montrose;

    My comment was that the preservationist movement is “intellectually bankrupt”. I haven’t made a statement about its “morality”.

    We’ll just have to disagree about Rob’s intent here.

  • I agree with DeLepp- it annoys the heck out of me when they do that and it’s a turn-off. I get the impression that the broker (generically speaking) is trying to pull a fast one or has a certain contempt for the consumer.

  • ghetto means poor and low class. there’s no race or ethnicity attached to it. i dont know why im explaining this, i really dont give a shit.

    *rob*

  • does this mean I can buy this for under 2M now? and if carpet is terrible, can I get it for under 1.5M?

  • dumbest thread ever

  • I didn’t read the rest of the thread, but I wanted to attest to the wonderfulness of mopar’s window treatments.

  • By dirty_hipster on March 22, 2011 6:14 PM

    dumbest thread ever

    Haven’t read all the comments yet; started at the bottom since I had to sign in. Based on this, I’m going to predict lots of *rob* comments for this one. My second cold stone lock is he threw out some stinky bait, and started reeling them in.

    Never gets old, eh?

  • what an embarrassment this thread is to us all.
    why the hell do any of u care whether the curtains are knotted or hanging straight??? if u do, buy the house and change them!
    i highly doubt that those knots will keep any serious buyer from purchasing either or both these houses.
    i hope the new owner keeps the “hoboken” curtains. or, better, sends them (knots intact) to the sweet-talking stargazer!
    and, dave, curtains and drapes are the same thing.
    the phrase u were thinking of refers to carpet matching drapes.

  • Quick count, 19 out 76 comments (an even 25%) belong to the village idiot. Looks like I missed another quality day at Class Warfarer, Inc.

    Interesting seeing this listing, regardless of the less than stellar condition or not quite perfect block. Double listing seem to take longer (for obvious reasons). There are two on Shelter Island right now that have a discount of $100K if you take both. I’m guessing no such markdown here.

  • lol go clean your dirty ass windows 11217!! stargazer has never been on my radar before.. i like her spunk!

    *rob*

    stargazer is a MAN !!!