First Look at Love Lane Mews

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Brooklyn Heights’ Love Lane Mews launched sales in early December, and as construction wraps we got a chance to tour the 38-unit development–which is fairly unique in that it has 36 distinct layouts. The one-, two- and three-bedrooms are asking between $1 million and $2,450,000. The end of February should bring the end of construction, and developers are currently negotiating with around a half-dozen prospective buyers. Four units, meanwhile, are currently in contract. Overall we were impressed with the setup, especially the two units with basement space. The layouts are some of the more diverse we’ve seen in new Brooklyn developments. Anyone toured the Mews themselves?
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  • more4less

    very nice. very pricey too

  • Why isn’t there a link to their website thru this thread??? If someone is interested in looking at the spaces and commenting in this thread it would be nice to see more than what has provided here.
    This seems like a current theme on brownstoner. If it isn’t listed in the Marketplace no links to outside sources are provided.

    http://www.lovelaneny.com/

    You’re welcome.

  • Nice layouts, but the finishes are relatively cheap and installed with apparent low quality labor. All of which would be fine but for the insanely high prices (you must figure in the crazy carry charges)

    I know its Brooklyn Heights but still….

  • Some of the layouts are great! Spacious, lots of closets. What a change from many other developments that offer one closet and a living/dining area the size of pea pod.
    Nicely done.

  • delepp

    $1 + million for one or two bedrooms with one exposure. Fail.

  • Nicely done…..except in Mr. B’s pics of that wood handrail. Whoa! What the ef is that all about???? That belongs in a country home.
    And that fireplace. The thought of flicking a switch to light a “fire” is a big turn off.

  • if u will be paying these prices to live in BH u better get nice quality finishes- from the pics everything looks cheap, frugal. cabinets, super cheap looking stair rails, cheap looking stainless appliances. this should limit the type of buyer or bring some low ballers to the game. if u gonna charge these prices in that nabe might as well spend a bit more and do it right!

  • oh yeah and that fireplace is the cherry on top- in 2 months these apartments will be the outdated tacky sister to the upper east side tacky cheap construction building.

  • What a shame with those windows….the Mews have no views.

  • I think they may be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory on this one.

    I love this location and they did a great job on the exteriors. I actually love the windows. Love some of the floorplans. The cabinets look better irl that here.

    But now .. what’s with those handrails? fireplace? tiling and appliances? light fixtures? some of those things are not easy fixes.

    And launch has been very weird. The Strong Place conversion had the opposite launch — no appointment needed, all units available to see at first open house — all the 3-bedrooms, half the 2-bedrooms, and all the parking spots were in contract in the first two weeks there

  • I’m the usually the first one to poo poo cheap and ugly finishes BUT I don’t see it here. Except for the wood stair and the fireplace. I think the finishes are lovely and high quality.
    In the kitchen they used Viking and Bosch appliances. The granite counter is a nice grey not that fugly freckled beige/pink obscene granite.
    In the bathrooms they used marble on the counter and what looks like a limestone on walls and floors. Unless it’s a porcelain tile, but it still looks nice.
    The floors are not the pre-engineered, pre-stained, plop them down and you’re done. But I’m sure they’re an oak and stained on site, which I prefer.
    Except for a few odd design choices I think the finishes are really nice.

  • Am I the only one who thinks it’s atrocious that as soon as you click into their site the first photo you see isn’t of College Place or Love Lane, but of Hunt’s Lane which is 3 blocks away??

  • I toured the Mews when it first began showing. Yes, superficially, the apartments are palatable, a few have gas fireplaces, the layouts are good, the ceilings are high, some units have substantial outdoor space, and, yes, there is a good amount of closet space. HOWEVER, whenever I see the dreaded PTAC heating/cooling system, I balk. These units are installed in so many of the new condos (1 BBP, for example) and they were chosen specifically to save on duct work. If the developer is cutting corners on heating/cooling (!!) on what else is he cutting corners? PTACs, for those who don’t know are hideously ugly, very loud and inefficient units that jut into your living space. They were actually designed for RVs. I currently rent in a unit with a PTAC and I’ve been freezing all winter. They run for awhile and then shut off.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/realestate/16posting.html?scp=1&sq=heating/cooling%20elephant%20in%20the%20room&st=cse

    Yes, regardless of the location (BH) these units are overpriced and the asking price of $250K on a parking space is delusional and greed in the extreme. This, too, gives some idea of who you’re dealing with. As for other particulars, having had a stellar view in Dumbo for years, I, for one, am so over it. I much prefer outdoor space and quiet than views. If anything, the location on a quiet mews is a selling point. But not at this price.

  • flashlight, YES! I was going to post the same thing.

  • I walked through this from basement to roof in November and I generally concur with Expert Textpert. The quality was first rate except for the railings which I can see someone making a relatively quick fix to. The layouts are absolutely great and in this case I really think you need to walk the spaces to get the feel vs. perusing a floorplan on-line. Quality finishes, quality work. If you do construction review you really need to get down on your hands and knees and stick your head into the cabinets and closets. The vibe is a little hybridish between loft and townhouse. Not unlike Strong Place in some sense (which also seemed to have a design fart with those crazy blonde colored bannisters in front of the gothic windows.
    So what’s wrong? Go to town all day on the lack of curb appeal of the lane, there’s not alot you can do to make the approach to the building appear as romantic as the name suggests. Strangely, despite the size of the beautiful new casement windows and lack of views (except on the upper floors which didn’t suck), there wasn’t any kind of cramped in feeling. The bathroom marble doesn’t match well (and, in case you’re keeping score, neither does Strong Place’s), the Penthouse layouts just plain suck and ceiling height is really mediocre. The terrace faux wood dividers is downright jerseyish, but methinks if you can afford a penthouse you’re going to rip it out anyway and put up your favorite endangered species wood;). The sales and marketing effort is flawed and amateurish, but Cantor Pecorella has always been Zucker’s marketing company so it’ll be what it will be. And, where else can you drop a quarter of a million on parking and consider it a rounding error?

  • I see that there is no link to pricing, but I toured the place (and have a price list somewhere @ home) the carry charges on the larger apartments were well in excess of 3,000 a mo on top of the prices which if I recall EXCEED the 2.45M price listed by Brownstoner. I think the largest apartment was more like 4M and the next was 2.9 or so.

    Anyway I am sure they will sell – it is BH after all (and your “new construction” options are limited here) – but for people looking for reasonable (but high) sq pricing

  • i used to park my car in there :-(

  • Okay, just read the descriptions on their website.

    According to the site, this is what they’ve used:

    - Ceiling heights range from 10 to 15 feet
    (pretty generous, not the typical 8′)
    - floors are all wide board , 3/4” solid white oak
    (good choice. What do you expect zebra wood?)
    - cabinetry crafted from solid cherry wood with glass inset doors
    (not luxurious BUT NOT cheap either)
    - countertops and islands (many over 10 feet in length) of honed charcoal grey Jet Mist Granite
    (like I said not that ugly granite that looks like it has a disease)
    - full height backsplash made from polished white glass tiles.
    (hello! it’s glass, NOT cheap)
    - appliances by Viking, Bosch and GE
    (Not the most expensive appliances but far from cheap)
    - Kindered Sink ($400+ Not considered a cheap sink)
    - Grohe Minta spray/stream pull out faucets ($400+ Not considered a cheap faucet)
    - eco-friendly in-sink garbage disposals
    (interesting! not many apartments have them as buildings won’t allow them)
    Master Baths
    - Zuma soaking tubs (not cheap)
    - Kohler Ladena under mounted sinks (not cheap)
    - Calacatta Paonazzo marble countertops (not cheap)
    - wall size tri-view mirrored medicine chests with built in lighting
    (that’s nice! not a little rinky dink mirror that you only see half your head)
    - Sant’Agostino Pietra D’Italia walls and floors
    (okay so it’s not limestone, BUT it’s really nice porcelain tile, NOT cheap)

    Not the most expensive finishes out there. But really what do you expect everything coated in gold. These are great finishes and far from cheap. They certainly didn’t buy anything from Home Depot.

    If the style isn’t to you’re liking that’s a different story.

  • Runslow and Truman, when you tour are they open about pricing on all the units? It’s annoying that they don’t list all this on their site. They’ve got 4 units priced on streeteasy and that’s it as far as I can tell.

  • Nice layout? I personally find them pretty bad: in most 1 bedroom, bedroom and living room are pretty much the same size, in the 3 bedroom one accesses the terrace from the bedroom, not much closet space … and i could go on. I’m amazed by the lack of creativity in new condos plan…
    Finishes are always more or less the same with no option, mechanicals done cheaply and I won’t even go into the ugly stairs… But then developers add Subzero and Bosch appliances to make customers feel god… Sad!

  • Apartments look good on the website, but much less so in the photos above. Love the windows, loathe the exposed brick.
    Also the use of ‘Great Room’ on the website floorplans to refer to the living / dining room is amusingly pretentious.

  • Some of the woodwork does look tacky. I mourn the loss of the garage, which was an important neighborhood amenity. But this follows the usual pattern of real estate development: Pick a pleasant area where people like to live and then raise the density and raise the density and eliminate everything that is of practical service and in so doing make the neighborhood much less pleasant and attractive.

  • this gets a big MEH from me.

  • Hi Ringo, as I said, the marketing is amateurish and I’m sure some would interpret it as pretentious. Their approach is pure Manhattan. Size up the buyer, figure out how much time you want to spend with them and then disclose whatever makes sense considering the time, qualifications, and 6th sense the marketer(read: sales agent) feels about the potential buyer. This is not a prudent marketing or selling technique in my opinion, but when there isn’t any oversight or assessment being made by the sponsor the marketing team can pretty much do whatever they want. I’ve always marvelled that developers spend so much time hiring construction reps to keep an eye on the hard costs, but nary an effort is made to keep the soft side in line and logical. Cantor had alot of success in the rising tide of the real estate values during the past 15 years. After getting rid of the easy-to-sell units that any project has, it will be alot more interesting to see how they do when there are 8-10 units left.

  • The prices start at a “low” of about $1,050,000 for a 988 sq. ft. first floor 1BD to the mid-range 1,580 sq. ft. 2BR @ $1,675,000 to the 2,802 sq. ft. PH with an additional 2,376 ft of outdoor space @ $4,250,000. There was also a 1,900 sq. ft. 3BR/3Bth @ $2,550,000. All the penthouses are in the $2 million – $3 million range for 1,400 sq ft to 2,800 sq ft, all with some outdoor space. They’re asking, on average, about $1,300/sq. ft. Prices may have risen/dipped since.

  • I don’t mind flicking a switch to start a fire, but damn, what’s a girl gotta do to get a mantle over that sucker? At those prices, at lease give me a mantle.

  • People in OBBP who have bought and renovated (seems like such a waste to tear up new construction) have generally redone the HVAC. Those ductless units are loud and awful there.

  • Co-sign Truman, those PTAC units are a dealbreaker. We have the in-wall HVAC units at the J and although the compressor kick is a bit loud, the units are great and quickly become must-haves.

  • Given the carrying charges, the costs of the larger units are almost equivalent to that of full brownstone in the neighborhood. Can’t imagine why anyone would make that decision.

  • Brokedeveloper/RussellG –

    How do you go about installing HVAC in just one condo unit? I thought that would be a building wide item.

  • Let be clearer – I am not making a judgment about the cost of the materials used [but btw bathrooms dont even have radiant heat]- I am making a judgment about the way the units look/feel and the quality of construction.

    The units feel cheap – not rental cheap but not up to what I’d expect (even in Brooklyn Heights) at $1300 a sq ft with common/tax of a $1.35per sq ft.
    The tile work was obviously shoddy. The way the Sheetrock meets the exposed brick isnt well finished; the hardware used around the apartment is crappy, etc….

    again I am not saying they wont sell, but for my $, if I am going to spend 2+M on an apartment I dont want to have to redo it in a couple of years cause I want to rid the place of the builders ‘stink’.

  • infinitejester

    Wow, so much learning here – thanks everyone. What a good thread.

  • fsrg, I didn’t see you mention it, but where you in the apts?

  • I wish that everyone that posted here had to link to photos and floor plans of their own places…

  • Yes I viewed them about 3 weeks ago

  • A bit shocked by what many of you have posted. How could anyone be impressed with anything inside these apartments. The exterior is nice and the windows but it stops there. Does anyone stop and think what the differences are between rental quality, cheap new construction and luxury. This building is pricing itself as luxury with their sq ft. price and it is really rental quality. Or are we comparing it to low income housing? If so I would say they are the same.

    Mentions of glass backsplash, Viking stove and bosch dishwasher, granite counters, A/C, actual hard wood floors, actual wood cabinets…. are you kidding me?? These things are so basic and standard. If you add up the difference in price from what you consider luxury compared to most low-income housing you will find a difference of about $25,000.00 Is this what you get excited about. I agree with many who are startled by the PTAC cooling/heating system. Those are a complete joke. As they are being used all over our country in every new construction our country is a joke as well.

    Luxury is about consideration, planning, design, specification, refinement and thorough completion. I see none of this here.
    So lets say you are looking at these as raw space to recreate something luxurious on your own. So add $ 250/sqft on top of the purchase price to start. So where does that leave you.

    I can’t wait to see the people who buy in here walking in and out as they use the 3rd world train station at Clark Street. They will see me laughing.

  • PTAC units in an apartment you’re paying over 2 million for? Oh come on man! If you want your television and your conversation being drowned out everytime your PTAC heater/airconditioner kicks in then buy an apartment with PTACs. Trust me, I live with them and it drives me crazy. I can’t believe they made such a high end development and cheaped out on the heating/cooling systems! how about radiant floor heating or central cooling/heating? PTACs suck!

  • I just dont understand who pays this sort of $. I am in the top 2% of earners in the US and if I pay the standard 30% of take home income on my house I still can only afford something in the 800-900k range. If I really stretch maybe I can get to 1mm, and I have 2 kids. I dont get who these poeple are who can plop down 2.5mm for an average apt which prob costs 1k a month in maintenance then taxes…

    Yeah yeah I know, I need to move….

  • We are the sales and marketing agent for Love Lane Mews and after reading the post on the project from January 26, 2011, and some of the posts that followed, we wanted to make some clarifications: All heating and air conditioning is provided by energy efficient, top-of-the-line, reverse cycle heat pumps, not by PTAC units (packaged terminal air conditioners). Love Lane Mews is in the Landmarked district of Brooklyn Heights and a through-the-wall unit would have compromised the façade of the building.

    The finishes at Love Lane Mews are top notch. Visit our model home and you will find solid white oak flooring and solid cherry wood cabinetry – Viking and Bosch appliances, fixtures by Grohe, Zuma soaking tubs and Toto toilets. The homes also have the most closet space of any development we have represented.

    Prices at Love Lane Mews average $1,200 psf, not the $1,300 reported by several commentators. But the real story is that most of our units, with the exception of the Penthouses and largest three bedrooms, are priced between $1,000 to $1,100 psf. Compare to Tribeca: $1,400 to $1,800 psf or Soho or the West Village at even higher prices. Additionally, each unit comes with a parking space for which there is no additional charge – a deal in the parking space-starved Heights.