Doings at the Dilapidated 7th Ave & 2nd St Building?

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Last time we checked in on 187 7th Avenue, the Park Slope building on the corner of 2nd Street that’s been in decline for many years, the DOB was trying to get its owner to show up for a hearing regarding some of its code violations. According to DOB records, other violations have been served since then, and it doesn’t appear that 187′s owner has done anything about them. Anyhow, a sign that’s been taped up on the side of the building caught the eye of a Brooklynian poster a few days ago. The sign cryptically advertises a number to call “for info,” which the Brooklnian poster did, but no information was forthcoming. We did the same, and the woman who answered the phone asked whether we were “interested in apartments or office space” and said the property’s “project manager” would call us back, which he did not. The woman also said that she worked for a real estate firm called “Hello.” Anyone know what gives?
Falling Down Building on 2nd St and 7th Ave [Brooklynian]
Slope Ruin Gets Served [Brownstoner] GMAP DOB

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  • “the woman who answered the phone asked whether we were “interested in apartments or office space”

    You should have said you were interested in the apartments with the boarded up windows.

  • > The woman also said that she worked for a real estate firm called “Hello.”

    Or Hello, we’re just gonna let this building rot until the cornice falls off and crushes somebody.

  • slopefarm

    Ah, Park Slope’s very own answer to Grey Gardens, but without the wealth, although someone posted a thread here a couple years back with photos of the daughter clubbing with a pretty high-flying crowd.

    Ok, now fess up, anyone, if you actually went to the Landmark Tavern when it was open. I did once or twice right out of college until the novelty of the whole toys, tambourines and bad folk singers routine wore off (didn’t take long, of course). Place was only open in the summer because the building had no heat.

  • Anyone know if theres a point when the city can come in and seize the property and sell? This thing is a pimple on the face of 7th Ave.

  • Yeah. Eminent domain that junk. Seriously.

  • I lived in this building briefly while I was in college in the early ’80s. The reference to Grey Gardens is not off; the woman who owns the building was eccentric even then. I remember her fixing the pipe under my kitchen sink with duct tape…and we had no legal lease. Sad situation; I’m surprised someone hasn’t helped her to sell the building so she can actually profit off of it.

  • I admit to frequenting the Landmark back in ’95 or so. They only had cans of Bud half the time, and the old lady was a bit of a loon. It was like drinking in a junk store. Can’t believe this building is still standing.

  • Instead of the city/state seizing land from property tax paying owners to build Stadiums and New York Times office buildings, they should focus on properties like this one, the ones on Fulton & Greene, 3rd and 7th, that are clear health hazards. If this isn’t a blight, what is?

  • The city should seize it and turn it into a PS 321 annex.

  • What gives is – a complete failure of our City Government.

    This property should be condemned and taken from its owner – forthwith (along with the House on 3rd and 7th (NW corner).

    It is a disgrace that such a dangerous and unsightly condition is allowed to continue. Let me say…nice f’ing job bill Diblasio (you hack)! – wonder if Brad Lauder (or whatever our new councilperson’s name is) will do any better. Pathetic that our local representatives all have endless things to say “anti-development” but can’t even address a present danger that exists on our Main St – 2 blocks from 2 different Schools. I promise that when someone gets killed our Pols will be front and center with their outrage – let me preemptively say – F You

  • slopefarm

    Um, the legislative branch can’t condemn property.

    Also, I’m sure there are quite a number of buildings in this shape or worse, and with big tax liens. Should the City condemn and seize them all? Repair and resell them all? It’s a bigger policy question than what to do with this building. Back in the 60s-70s, when lots of building owners abandoned their buildings, stopped paying taxes and let them go to ruin, the City foreclosed on a lot of tax liens and ended up holding a lot of property for decades. Some of these lots are now community gardens, but they didn’t start out that way.

    This is such a prime spot. Does anyone know if people with means have been trying to buy the building? Or is it just not worth it due to liens and needed repairs/

  • friends of ours had a 100 year lease on the building, and they put a deposit, paying monthly lease on the building. when it was time to have the owner sign off on some paperwork to improve on the building, she absolutely refused. there was no way to work around this woman, so the lease is no longer. one of the partners has not received his deposit resulting in a lawsuit.

  • Arkady

    The lady who owns it is a total nutcase. She also owns a house on 2nd St. that’s pretty derelict. Her neighbors have tried to get things moving for 5 years that I know of but no City agencies appear ready to step in.

  • According to previous brownstoner comments on this place, the owners run a rental scam on this place.

    See the earlier links about this place.

  • I made it to the Landmark a few times way back when. They only sold cans of beer for $3 that they bought at the deli next door. There was a guy playing requests on ukulele and everyone beat time with chop sticks and coffee cans. It was run by a mother/daughter team, and I think the daughter was barely in her teens – she looked young enough to be in middle school. Those were the days….

  • Yeah been to the Landmark many times when it was open. There was something very primal about the place. Used to bring all my out of town guests there for drinks. They still mention the place almost 20 years later.

    Romper room meets the Gong Show. Any parents out there who have taken a Music Together class with their kids… Imagine doing it totally shitfaced wearing a funny hat… That was the Landmark.

  • “Soon everything will be okay. The goal is to turn the building into an Arts center for all mediums.”

    Letting a building fall into a state of dangerous disrepair seems like peculiar act of kindness. I don’t know how soon is soon since the building has been festering for decades. Perhaps one of the mediums you refer to could look into the future and let us know.

  • What about this part:

    “The law suit with the tenant who prevented them from renovating the building is over”

    A comment made both on May 15, 2008 and today.

  • the lawsuit which was referred to in the 2008 thread is different than the one i know. this one, a friend and his partner signed a 100 year lease, $100,000 down, $20,000 per month. one partner got his $50,000 back, the other did not. i don’t know what has happened since then, but i think the 6-7 year lease they talk about in the 2008 thread happened after my friend’s ordeal. which would explain how he got his $50,000 back- from this new lease.

  • slopefarm

    11217–

    You’re info may be more current than mine on 3rd St. But I do remember learning a while back that it is a crazy-high tax lien.

  • slopefarm – the legislative branch cant do anything specifically except pass laws (and then generally they need the Mayor) – BUT in reality our local council person is sort of an ombudsman for local issues. Unfortunately “our” representatives are too busy trying to get their name in the paper and running for higher office to be concerned with what can only be called a DEATH waiting to happen.

    Lets be clear – this building is totally abandoned, the building envelope is open to the elements in many places, and the public is only “protected” by sheds that themselves are old, do not appear sturdy and in any case cannot possibly hold in the event of a collapse. I personally can see broken windows on the higher floors that in a storm will definitely become deadly projectiles.

    It is not hyperbole to think that should this situation not be rectified that in the near future this building will suffer a total or partial collapse and considering the foot traffic on 7th Ave and the nearby school, a catastrophe with MULTIPLE deaths and or injuries is quite likely.

  • slopefarm

    f,

    I have no quarrel with you over the awful state of the building. I thought you were a bit quick to focus this as a failure on the part of local legislatures, including one not yet sworn in.

    As I see it, a council member has two roles here. One is that of a neighborhood advocate within government, pushing, prodding, trying to get folks with responsibility in the exec branch to do what they are supposed to do on behalf of the community. I don’t know whether BdB tried and failed or didn’t try at all to get some action on this property. Brad Lander, with an n, takes office in January, but is accessible now to constituents. Have you reached out to him about this?

    The other role is to pass laws. My question on that front is what law do you want to see passed? To what extent is this building such a failure because of limits on the City’s executive branch authority to take action or a failrue to use authority that already exists? And can those limits be expanded by the Council or is State legislation required? My query to you was in part about whether having the City seize and take ownership of dilapidated and dangerous buildings really a policy we want? Or is this an exceptional case because it is right in the middle of bustling affluence and lots of kids?

    I just thought that turning this into a story of legislative branch failure seemed odd.

  • “My query to you was in part about whether having the City seize and take ownership of dilapidated and dangerous buildings really a policy we want?”

    The City already has this power and actually I believe that partially because this building is in an affluent area (and therefore valuable even in its present state) it is being ignored.

    If this building were in a “poorer” part of the city, the hazzard might very well have received more press attention, the owners would be labled slumlords (rightfully in this case) and the City likely would have either implemented repairs and/or seized control.

    Forceable repairs/seizing of hazardous buildings is a regular occurrence all over this city.

    Please do not mistake my outrage. Obviously this is DOB’s fault in the second place (the 1st perpetrator is the owners, who should either have remediated the situation and/or sold the property).

    I acknowledge it is only after the ladlords and the DOB (Bloomberg Admin) that our local representatives have blame. HOWEVER, they are OUR local representatives, meaning that while the DOB is primarily responsible – it is a big city and sometimes things get overlooked – it is out local reps (who have been informed and also live nearby) who are supposed to be our “squeaky wheel” to get these things addressed. And it is the total silence from all our local representatives regarding this building especially that has me up in arms.

  • This family cares about Park Slope.

    They are not greedy or any of the cruel adjectives that many of you posted.
    From the old Brownstoner thread…
    The family has always been kind to everyone and is one of the oldest families in Park Slope.

    The law suit with the tenant who prevented them from renovating the building is over.

    The city erected the scaffolding after a Noreaster storm hit Park Slope. The City’s contractor is responsible for the maintenance of it. No one has been hurt.

    Soon everything will be okay. The goal is to turn the building into an Arts center for all mediums.

    Thank you for your concern

  • I used to frequent the Landmark in the early 90s. The old broad was a superb**** who knew asbolutely nothing about operating a business. Still, we had some good times there, especially one New Years Eve.

    I agree fully with frsq. One day this POS is going to collapse and all of the morons who could have helped prevent it will be the first in line to shriek and froth.

  • Yes, you should indeed read the other thread about the nutjobs who own this place,including this comment posted on THAT thread as well. Look familiar…?

    http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/04/closing_bell_sl.php

    ***
    The family cares about Park Slope.

    They are not greedy or any of the cruel adjectives that many of you posted.

    The family has always been kind to everyone and is one of the oldest families in Park Slope.

    The law suit with the tenant who prevented them from renovating the building is over.

    The city erected the scaffolding after a Noreaster storm hit Park Slope. The City’s contractor is responsible for the maintenance of it. No one has been hurt.

    Soon everything will be okay. The goal is to turn the building into an Arts center for all mediums.

    Thank you for your concern

    Posted by: guest at May 15, 2008 7:33 PM

  • Since there’s no good involved, our local pols won’t get involved. As noted earlier, the owner has lawyers out the yin-yang, greasing the Brooklyn political skids. Local community board? Ha! Doing anything with this building doesn’t have anything with making rules and running for office. So it sits. Until some brick falls off the building and some politically connected attorney’s daughter’s noggin is split open by it. Markowitz [Borough President for Life] and his cronies won’t do jack unless someone dies. And even then …

  • slopefarm

    11217,

    I think IMBY cut and pasted the old comment ironically. Look at IMBY’s next comment — not the comment of someone who’s drunk the Kool-Aid.

    It’s a truly nutty situation. Hard to tell how much is due to genuine craziness, or whether this is a Chin Gigante-like “crazy act.” But this has been a slow motion disaster for 30 years, and if the lease/fraud stories in the two threads are truly, it could well be the latter. I think the brownstone on 3rd Street near 7th that some have mentioned is less complicated — too much disrepair that, when combined with enormous tax liens, makes the place not worthwhile to reno and flip.

  • ooohhhhh, Slopefarm.

    Got it.

    I thought we had the daughter here in the flesh with us!

    I thought I had heard the people who run Barrio had taken ownership of the brownstone next door, but I guess that was just a false rumor.

  • if you go to nyc.gov & look at property taxes for 187 7th ave , you’ll see the mother or 501 2nd st holding corp owes a little shy of $300,000 in property taxes & emergency repairs ($36000 & counting ) and the last payment was made in july 2005 for about $16,700…they also owe almost $20,000 on the 2nd st property , having arranged a payment schedule which they are in default …anybody familiar with tax liens…now may be the time to act …..

  • I can’t figure out why there hasn’t been a huge civil lawsuit against the family by the neighboring buildings. Her decaying building is affecting their property values and threatening the safety and structural integrity of their buildings. This building isn’t her primary home and isn’t protected from being seized in bankruptcy, right? So sue her into bankruptcy.

  • Why did she let the building get to the point it is now? It must be like this for decades.
    If it were re-habed,seems like a gold mine in real estate to me.

  • Hey, all you complainers, get off your butt and organize a
    a group to protest in front of the buildings for two or three weekends and you’ll get the attention of the politicians and many others.

  • Folks, the family who owns this mold/pigeon colony are nuts. The way I understand it there is the mom, and her two daughters and. The father/husband is the person who originally owned the building and ran the Landmark Tavern back in the day when it was a real tavern. Then he passed away, and the remaining family is responsible for this sad state of affairs.

    When I first moved to Park Slope in 1992, I went to the place a few times since it seemed cool in a junky way. Within minutes, I started to feel fleas bite my legs and the mom was pushing the daughters to get us to buy beers at $6 a bottle that they clearly bough next door from the Met Food for $6 a six-pack.

    As far as entertainment goes, just imagine generic open-mic stuff, but not even close to real talent. Old hippies strumming on guitars or whatever oddball instrument they had. And a few bad stand up comics.

    The most memorable incident that nailed home the point this family was crazy is in the middle of someone’s act, one of the daughters took out a videotape, stuck in in the VCR up front and started to yell at everyone about what was on it. It was a homemade videotape of the whole family waiting outside the studios of the Jon Stewart Show (the show he had before “The Daily Show”) showing the family basically waiting outside to stalk him and chase him down. Literally. One of the daughters starts telling the crowd “That’s Jon Stewart. I am going to marry him. Don’t believe me?” And then start to rant and yell at people. BS like “What do you know? Who do you know?” and etc, etc…

    After that night, I avoided the place like the plague. On the side of the building are relics of crazy small businesses the daughters tried to run. A boutique and a real estate office I believe.

    I moved away from NYC in 1995 but friends kept me up to date on the family’s shenanigans. Like incidents of going into the boutique and being yelled at for not buying anything. Or spotting the daughters around NYC at various parties, shows and openings acting crazy.

    So flash forward to 2008. I moved back to NYC in 2000 and in 2008 I’m walking down 4th Avenue near Pacific Street and I hear this loud shrilly voice yelling “Do you know who I know? I can destroy you!” nonsense into a cell phone. It was none other than one of the daughters coming out of the subway and yelling at someone.

    Folks, don’t feel sorry for some old lady who is in a bad situation. This is not a case of that. These folks are crazy and deliberate in their behavior. And as far as the daughters go, I find it disturbing they are still spotted floating around some social, art and fashion scenes in NYC. I mean back in 1992 they were well known for their rep/behavior, and now they are still at it? Amazing!

    That said, let them do whatever they want. Lord knows NYC is filled with all types. Even crazy stalker types! But the neglect of their property is a public danger/hazard and the city should seize their property. Tear it down and plant some trees. That’s the best use of those neglected hunks of junk.

  • Jack, I agree.
    If the stupid family are not going to take care of the property, and obviously after all these years, they haven’t, the City should take the property away and re-hab it.

    The family should be ashamed of themselves for letting this property become aneyesore and dangerous to-boot…