Residential Parking Permits Pushed for Brooklyn Heights

parking-permits-051509.jpgVarious State and City politicians joined forces on Friday to announce their commitment to bringing residential permit parking to Brooklyn Heights. Under a program supported by State Senator Daniel Squadron, Assemblywoman Joan Millman and Council Member David Yassky, neighborhood residents would be able to purchase an annual permit for a “nominal” fee that would allow them to park on residential streets; metered parking would still be available to the general public on the major commercial streets. This plan is a classic win-win-win: it protects the community, it cuts congestion, and it provides revenue for public transit, said Squadron. For years, I have supported a residential permit parking plan for New York City, said Yassky in a press release. The plan announced today will reduce congestion and illegal parking in our neighborhoods, and improve the quality of life for our residents. I continue to fully support that effort.
Parking Permit Proposal on Table [Brooklyn Heights Blog]
Mayor Rolls Out Resident Parking Permit Proposal [Brownstoner]
Pols, DOT: Parking Permit Program For Many ‘Hoods [Brownstoner]

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  • we’ve gone over this stupid idea before.
    Whatever makes them think we want this nonsense and more bureaocracy?

  • This is elitist and bigoted of the supporters.

  • daveinbedstuy

    Why is it bigoted???

  • Is it just me or does everyone find this to be an awful, elitist idea with car owners getting an entitlement? And they only pay a “nominal fee” for gettng a piece of public street? Sorry- I think its a really lousy idea and if you’re going to do it, make it a hefty fee. At least taxpayers will get some money on a lousy deal.

  • I suspect that the proponents of residential parking permits are supported mainly by two groups of people; those who want to destroy the utility of cars for intra-city travel and those short-sighted car owners who value local parking, but don’t consider that they might actually want to drive someplace else.

  • daveinbedstuy

    Most cities already do this…Chicago & Philly I know for sure. Not saying its right or wrong and I don’t keep a car here and the one in Philly is parked off street so I’m deviating from my usual lack of commentary on something that doesn’t really pertain to me. :)

  • Terrible idea…..The local shop owners will be hurt the most by this silly concept. Think of how many wasted spaces there will be on the weekends in the summer when a huge percentage of BH goes away each weekend.

  • benson

    San Francisco also does this already.

  • I also feel very strongly that the “nominal fee” should be substantial —guaranteed parking should cost about the same as a monthly spot in a garage.

  • Actually. residential parking permits in BROOKLYN HEIGHTS don’t pertain to me either. I NEVER drive there, since the subway is faster and parking is extraordinarily difficult. However I do oppose these permits in general because I value being able to drive to many parts of Brooklyn [and even,on rare occasions, Queens]to which public transit is slow and indirect requiring many train changes. Sadly, mass transit in NYC is basically designed for commuting between the “outer” boroughs and Manhattan and is not all that practicable for many local trips.

  • Parts of London do it as well.
    Seems inevitable there would be more residents desiring permits than available parking. Is it just survival of the fittest among the residents if that happens?
    Also, the fee may be ‘nominal’ initially, but doubt that will last. This gives politicians big leverage for another stealth tax over time.

  • “Is it just me or does everyone find this to be an awful, elitist idea with car owners getting an entitlement? ”

    Yes, and I own a car. Freedom to walk, bike, drive, skate…whatever. But also freedom to park (your car, that is).

    Completely snubbing folks outside the community. I’ll betcha Mayor Mike’s behind this one again…oops, sorry, Emperor Mike III!

  • I hate this idea. Parking works on a simple system: first come, first served. Don’t like it? Pay for a lot or don’t have a car. Changing this is madness. It creates a new set of haves and have nots and someone is inevitably going to be gaming the system.

    Everyone knows parking is bad in Brooklyn Heights. Accept it as part of life and move on. If they get to exclude “non-residents,” from parking, why shouldn’t any other neighborhood?

  • And what happens when family or friends come to visit. I also see that according to the bill, each neighborhood is going to make up its own rules for allowing the permits. For a city that wants to decrease the number of cars this is not the way to do it.

  • Not sure of the parking situation in Brooklyn Heights – are there alot of people that drive to work in Downtown Brooklyn from the suburbs/further out in Queens and Brooklyn that park in Brooklyn Heights?

    If that is the reason for this – won’t it just push them into another closeby neighborhood?

  • Arkady

    I figure since you can’t find parking there anyway if you only want to go somewhere to pick up something it’s not going to make any difference.

  • boston does this also in most of their residential neighborhoods. i’ve driven there a lot and never had much trouble finding parking on one of the many streets in these neighborhoods that are metered.

  • Sorry, but I’m all for this. I lived in Washington, DC for 7 years and this worked well there. Allowing parking permits to be purchased by residents of the immediate area who actually bother to register their car in NY is a great idea. Why should people who illegally register and insure their cars in cheaper states (North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia, etc.) get the benefit of parking on streets that people who follow the rules pay for. If you don’t bother to register here, pay up and get a spot in a parking garage!

  • I am as liberal, leftist, progressive as they come. But when I see this pic above of Squadron, Millman, yassky, etc..and the anouncement of one of their stupid intrusive ,
    busybody, controlling ideas I understand why the term ‘liberal’ became such a dirty word. Always trying to make people live as they see fit.

  • Art Salt

    Great Idea! especially if you need NY State plates to get a permit. I live on the edge of Bed-Stuy and it least 40% of the cars have out-of-state plates. Many of these cars don’t have current registration but the NYC traffic cops only enforce NY state registrations. I’m sure that most of these cars don’t have insurance…or even if they do, it is void as the car is fraudulently registered out-of-state. Recently, the NY Court of Appeals upheld a FL law that said insurance companies don’t have to honor claims against FL registered cars when the driver (and car) doesn’t actually reside in FL.

  • daveinbedstuy

    That’s agood point Art…I see it too. I bet there’s a lot more of that in Bed Stuy than in BH though.

  • DC has residential parking permits. The DC street parking rules for residential streets limit unmetered parking to 2 hours M-F from something like 7 am to 7 pm. (They chaulk your tires and loop back after 2 hours to see if you moved). The neighborhoods are zoned and parking permits allow you to park your car on the street without having to move it every 2 hours during the week. It does force the owner to register the car rather than use out of state plates.

  • I’m curious about Yassky’s comment regarding “illegal parking.” What exactly is he referring to? And how does giving residents parking permits going to reduce that?

    etson- ask a homeowner with a curb cut how much they pay the city for that privilege of owning a chunk of a public street. Nominal.

  • The one thing that I absolutely hate about residential parking permits is this:

    I don’t own a car, but I rent them 4-6 times a year.

    Those 4-6 times, I would like to have the same parking rights as my car owning neighbors. I need access to street parking only a very small percentage of the time compared to my car owning neighbors, and it would really aggravate me that they get privileged for using up more public resources than I do.

    1-2 times a year, I may be visited by an out-of-town guests with a vehicle. Again, I would like to be able to loan them the parking rights that I should have equally with my car owning neighbors.

    Oh, the idea that “only residents should park in this neighborhood” seems to be a complete failure to understand why cars exist in the first place.

  • I am all for it, but the city should not limit only to Brookyln Heights. It should be available to any neighborhood — maybe each CB can decide for itself if it would make the neighborhood better or worse.

    And I see the bill requires that non-permit holders be able to park for at least 90 minutes. I think that 2 or 3 hours would be better, but at least it gives the city a baseline from which to decide. I am not srue how this will dsicourage most intra-city car trips other than daily commuters.

    I don’t see the hostility — how is the making people live as they (the politicians) see fit?

  • Why should car owners get a break? I don’t get anything for taking public transportation,and I don’t have car so why should taxes help pay for a car owners privileges? We’re talking public streets here, not gated communities. And allowing the privileged residents of BH to have permits is not going to stop illegal car registrations or even impact it.

  • We have the same conclusion from completely different viewpoints, Bxgrl! I am a car owner (don’t live in BH) and oppose this. Don’t see how restricting parking ability is giving car owners a break. It’s not as if it creates more parking spaces, rather the opposite. Also, public transport is massively subsidized (rightly, in my opinion). So we do ‘get something’ for taking it – a discount on its real cost.

  • Bxgrl – Have you read the bill? What taxes are you referring to? The bill states “monies generated by the sale of residential parking permits shall be credited to New York City Transit, an agency of the Metropolitan Transportation Agency, State of New York, and shall be utilized for the purpose of upgrading and improving the New York City subway and bus system”.

    So drivers are actually paying the for public transportation that you use. If you don’t need a permit, you don’t pay.

  • etson- you have totally confused me but at least we agree.:-)

    And I also see the anger and resentment over resident and non-resident. I guarantee there will be fights. It just boggles my mind the foolishness and craveness of politicians.

  • StuyIvy- according to the article the bill calls for a “nominal” fee. The taxes I was referring to are what we all pay that go to streets, roads and public transportation. My contention is that these are public streets. Just becuase you have a car shouldn’t give you the right to basically own a piece of it. Or will these parking permits be available to those of us who don’t have cars but have friends and family that travel to see us? What’s fair here?

  • slopefarm

    Actually, car drivers get something every day. They get to drive on City streets as much as they want without paying a dedicated fee, until they cross a tolled bridge or tunnel. Mass transit users get a subsidy, but they don’t get to ride at will without paying. In that sense, people without cars help subsidize the roads for those who do have them.

    In truth, every tax and every fee can be analyzed in terms of who subsidizes who. By focusing on one aspect without looking at the whole picture, it is easy to distort the argument. Why not just charge every NYer a $4 a day transportation fee, make parking, road use and the subways free and allocate the revenues among roads and mass transit.

  • As others have said, other cities do it and it works well. It has nothing to do with elitism or bigotry, people who think that are ignorant and looking for drama where there is none.

    I lived in Boston for 8 years. It cost $1 to get a parking permit, and if I remember correct, it renewed for free.

    A lot of the people who park in the Heights park there and then take the subway in to Manhattan, they use the neighborhood as a park-n-ride. I don’t think that is fair to neighborhood residents.

    Every neighborhood in NYC should have residential permits.

  • Paying a nominal fee to park on the street is the same as paying a fare to ride the subway. You don’t “own” your seat on the train when you sit in it after you pay your $2 fare anymore than you would “own” a parking spot on the street after you bought a permit. Fair is having to “pay to play” for a subway ride or parking permit.

  • what an impractical idea for Brookly Heights, which has so many businesses and professional offices. So if you work in the Heights do you get a permit? How about if you have a home care attendant? How about apartment building employees that work late hours? How about people who need to see their doctor?
    Residential permits may be a good idea in solidly reidential neighborhoods but in a mixed-use area like Brooklyn Heights which is so full of stores, businesses, doctors offices, government offices etc. all with employees, it is just exclusionary and probably racist.
    The new BH signs should read: “Caucasian Only Parking”

  • Having seen how it works in the SF Bay Area, I’m completely for this. I don’t have a car (we rent or Zipcar when we need to), and my concern is not pitting one group of drivers against another, but weighing convenience for a few against the real problem of traffic congestion in my neighborhood. The pollution and safety issues caused by too many people looking for a spot affects everyone. Policy should be determined by what best serves a neighborhood, not by what best serves commuters or car owners. That’s not “destroying” intra-city car usage – it’s holding down the problems caused by too-heavy usage to a more manageable level.

    I find it ironic that people on this board are blasting Millman and Yassky, when state senators like Carl Kruger bollixed up the MTA bailout with their completely car-centric, Robert Moses-era point of view. People have every right to own a car and drive it wherever (I love having a car, just don’t need one right now), but unlike public transit, commuting via car, whether you’re coming or going, has a very real and negative impact on the community and there’s no pretending it doesn’t.

    I understand that local stores can’t get by on just local residents, but letting all the cars pour in and then fight each other for spots isn’t working either. Nor is allowing major employers like Methodist Hospital (near me in park slope) to undergo huge expansions and then leave it to the surrounding streets to just absorb all the extra parking needs this creates.

    I’m assuming that they picked Brooklyn Heights, not Park Slope, to start with because almost every subway line connects there. The permit program to be implemented w/ congestion pricing was mainly for certain rush hour times, assuming the same will hold w/these permits.

    I think the fee should be higher than “nominal” because it’s going to public transit, and I absolutely think more money to improve public transit should come from drivers, in the hopes of funding better transit options than driving to work. Since part of my subway fare is going to pay for roads upstate (thanks Carl), it’s only fair.

  • As a Boerum Hill resident, I am concerned that parking permits in Brooklyn Heights would just push those cars into Boerum Hill where parking is difficult but not as impossible as it is in the Heights. While I’m torn on residential permits for my neighborhood, I am adamantly opposed to using them for just one neighborhood because of the impact it would have on nearby areas. Since parking is a problem is so many neighborhoods, if permits are implemented, they should be borough-wide with individual neighborhoods having the ability to opt out.

  • what Brooklyn Heights needs is more public parking not more permits and tickets.

    Most of San Francisco has about one-twentieth the density of Brooklyn Heights.

  • I don’t see this as a pro-car owner anti-public transportation rider issue. Both groups are are subsidized in one way or another in NYC. This is elitist though. If BH residents want designated parking, they should pay for a space in a parking garage.

    Art, many residents of Bed-Stuy, especially the older ones, are legal residents of Georgia and other Southern states where they register their cars. They are mostly retirees who have chosen not sell their homes in Bed-Stuy and of course they register their cars where it is cheaper which is completely legal for them. I have seen the Traffic Agents ticket illegally parked cars with out of state plates just as they would cars registered in NY State.

  • StuyIvy- I don’t own my seat on the train- correct. It’s first come first served. Which is completely different from giving a resident a residential permit to have personal and privileged access to a public street. That’s exclusionary.

    And the irony of picking BH for this- as petunia points out, BH is blessed with every train line. It’s the one neighborhood where you don’t even need a car. And its one of the richest in the city. Put two and two together. Its elitist.

  • total B.S.–>”A lot of the people who park in the Heights park there and then take the subway in to Manhattan, they use the neighborhood as a park-n-ride”
    There is no effin way you are going to drive to Bklyn Hts (or any area near downtown Brooklyn) in the a.m. and find yourself a convenient parking space for the day of work in Manhattan. They don’t exist. Lucky if you can find one at 10PM the night before.

  • bxgrl – I believe the parking permit would allow access to park on a number of streets surrounding your residence, not a specific parking spot. I may be wrong, but this is how it works in DC. The city is divided into zones and you are able to park in the zone in which you live without having to move your car every 2 hours. Parking is still first-come, first-served where ever you can find a spot in your zone.

  • daveinbedstuy

    Chaka…I do the same thing. My car is registered in MA where I legally own a home but it is always in Philly. Technically, it’s considered insurance fraud since when you insure it you have to tell them where it is kept.

    You will likely get away with it forever but if there’s a major accident where someone is killed and a big lawsuit then the insurance company is likely to do more investifation and may deny you coverage. It is not a crime but can become a huge civil matter.

  • Art Salt

    Chaka…FL law says it is not legal and NY Court of Appeals agreed. In some southern states such as South Carolina, you don’t need proof of insurance to get registration and plates. Let’s get uninsured drivers (or drivers with insurance that is considered VOID in NYC) off the streets. Also, I wasn’t talking about illegally parked cars…if you park your NY car in NYC and the registration or inspection sticker are not current, you will get a ticket. If you park a North Carolina car with an expired registration on a Brooklyn street, the NYC traffic cops will not give the car a ticket for expired registration.

  • StuyIvy- but it is restricted to residents of a neighborhood. That’s the crux of the matter. It’s giving them special privilege. It’s not right. It’s elitist and it gives benefits to car owners that the rest of us do not have. It’s out and out wrong.

  • In Brooklyn, the only reasonable way to get around is by car. Mass transit is designed to get into Manhattan and little more. I like to shop in Brooklyn Heights, but street parking can be complicated.

    A major problem is all the government vehicles and private cars with various parking permits littering the streets.

    Maybe they should move the courts to Canarsie or something.

  • i am completely torn on this issue. i do live in an area where folks park to access the train and this does take spots from the folks who live in the immediate vicinty of the subway. however, we do have visitors and we do rent cars – so how does that work? if you have a bbq, folks have to park 10 blocks or more from your home? i really need the specifics to see if this would be a true benefit for a neighborhood.

  • I know of at least five people who are legal residents of southern states and they reside in those states the majority of the year. It is completely legal for them to register their cars in their states of residency. They are not required to re-register their cars in NY State for the brief periods that they visit NYC.

    DIBS your car is kept in Philly but registered in MA so yes you are committing insurance fraud. Art you didn’t say that you were not refering to illegally parked cars which the traffic agents most certainly ticket and it is absolutely not true that you don’t need proof of insurance to register a vehicle in SC. If I am not mistaken it is that you don’t need a vehicle inspection in SC.

  • i own a car…

    car owners have had a free ride long enough…space is too valuable in nyc for anything to be “free.”

    i agree with congestion pricing and residential parking permits…all of this should “cost” car owners…

    how can it be OK to pay the exact same amount of money for driving a car in the boonies of ny state vs. congested nyc? forget the insurance argument…that goes to private companies.

  • Chaka – I don’t believe Art is referring to the people you know. The facts are that most of the people with out of state tags, live in Brooklyn full time. They are trying to avoid the registration fees and higher insurance rates of NY State and NYC. Insurance rates are based on the zip code where your car is parked/garaged at night on a regular basis. A full-time Brooklyn resident who has an out of state registered and insured vehicle is committing insurance fraud.

  • bkny- aren’t you going on the premise that if you own a car that entitles you to something? I don’t agree with that at all. Owning a car is a personal decision and beyond that shouldn’t entitle anyone to anything. Then we also get into the sticky subject of what is a neighborhood and does that entitle residents to a piece of public property?

    I agree with the state of public transportation in the outer boroughs- so instead of giving out permits for cars- at least in those neighborhoods with great subway access, why aren’t we concentrating on making public transportation easier and more convenient? Because those nominal fees they will charge more than likey will pay for city workers who will not police every parking permit dispute. Because they will have to have some oversight of the permits, necessitating spending money on this instead of the fees going to the MTA. Makes no sense on any level.

  • here’s how DC handles some of the issues mentioned earlier:

    resident parking, visitor parking, rental car parking, healthcare provider parking…

    http://dmv.dc.gov/serv/parking.shtm

  • GeorgeAppo, you beat me to the link (but I’ve posted the FAQ for Silver Spring, MD, anyway).

    Residential parking permit plans are primarily aimed at raising revenues, not at providing privilege. Don’t confuse the possible trial run in BH with the actual program. Right now, car owners do not make direct payments in exchange for parking on public streets. The exception to this is parking meters and muni meters (which, btw, can now be found on most side and main streets of Manhattan, often requiring payment until as late as midnight). A residential parking permit plan would change the payment scheme. In exchange for a fee, where none currently exists, such a plan would allow residents with cars properly registered to their NYC home address to purchase a neighborhood or zone permit. This would drastically alter the equation of year-round NYC owners who consciously register their cars in upstate NY, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Georgia, Florida, etc.

    Residential parking permits do NOT provide a designated parking spot. Both residents and non-residents still have to circle for parking spots. The difference is that, in most cities using residential parking permits, residents can park all day without moving, while non-residents can park without payment but must move their cars after two hours of parking (and/or they can park at meters as long as they are able, and keep feeding the meter). Round-the-clock permits can be obtained free and/or purchased (depending) for contractors, home care attendants, zipcars, and friends and family that visit. Most residential parking plans apply only during restricted hours, for example M-F, 8am-6pm. They do not apply in the evening or on weekends. Here’s an example of how the program works in Silver Spring, MD: http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/dpktmpl.asp?url=/content/DOT/Parking/FAQ/residential-parking-faq.asp

  • bxgrl you aasked “aren’t you going on the premise that if you own a car that entitles you to something?”

    answer – no, i’m going on the premise that as a homeowner i am entitled to park with in the vicinty of my home where i pay property tax.

    i am torn on this issue but i have lived in Boston and it does work there. i also understand that there are many multi-family homes and i don’t know how this would work for or against tenants. is it only one permit per homeowner? i don’t think it’s fair to own a home and have to drive around looking for parking when there are families with multiple cars or occupants in their home, when you have 1 occupant, myself and 1 car and i happen to have bought near a subway line for convienience.

    ask anyone in stuy heights from chauncey to macdonough btw stuy & lewis, the mornings are swarming with folks who live deeper in the ‘hood trying to get spots.

  • Yes exactly bkny! I live in Stuy Heights and see this all the time. People from other locales park in the area to be close to the A train at Utica. I especially love seeing them getting into their cars (with Virginia tags) after the leaving the subway after work.

  • I’m a car owner and I support this idea. But the fee should be much higher than “nominal.” Not as high as a garage (since that has the value-added of being sheltered parking) but definitely approaching the cost of a garage. We should use this money–like congestion parking–to improve mass transit throughout the city, especially in the outer boroughs. And force people to register their cars in New York.

    The CURRENT system provides a huge entitlement for car owners like me. I get to take up space on a city street absolutely free of charge. The city can and should extract a considerable price from people like me in exchange.

    Out-of-towners can get temporary passes (as in cities like DC).

  • I think owning a car in NYC should be made illegal, everyone should ride a bike. If you are too old or infirm to ride a bike then you should be euthenized.

  • sorry to disagree, bkny. Your property taxes relate to your real estate, not your possessions. Streets are public property.

  • so long as a permit system is revenue-neutral or positive (i.e., the fees it generates are sufficient to at least cover the administration costs), i don’t understand why anyone without a car (such as myself) has a rooting interest in this. it’s just one group of polluters against another.

  • And as for those people who park and ride, so to speak. If they’re working, they pay taxes too. This whole idea of my neighborhood my rights is getting a little too police state for me. Visitor passes to park? Is this still a free country or not? Next we’ll have to have passes to walk through other neighborhoods because we take up room homeowners feel should be reserved for them first.

  • If this gets passed, there will be an incredible uprising among the residents, merchants and employees of Brooklyn Heights. I feel sorry for the public officials and the BHA officials if this ever happens, they have no idea what will be heading their way. One thing is complaining about drivers and threatening them with this or that but to take away public curb parking and not replace it with anything is not going to fly in a democracy.

  • Well I hope you had fun raising rents and the prices of real estate like madmen. Now you have made the city unaffordable for the little guy. Now you complain that the city is trying to raise revenues and you don’t want to pay. Tough suck it up an pay.

  • Bxgrl — You won’t need visitor passes to park if you’re coming to BH to do some shopping or run into the library, only if you are leaving the car on a residential street for more than 90 minutes (or wahtever time frame is decided on).

    Also, I think the law would give the city to only have the rules on weekedays or other specific times.

    Finally, someone mentioned the idea of feeding the meter. Although it is common, I think technically it is illegal. Usually metered streets have a restriction on the length of time for which a car may be parked. (I live on such a metered street, and the limit is one hour on part of the block, and two hours on another part of the block.)

    When you think of it that way, the permit system is just an extension of the same rules that already apply for commercial streets with meters — the base rule is that you can only park for a couple of hours, but if you actually live there, then (with the permit) you can park there for longer.

    It’s also like the rule that a car can only park in any one location for up to 7 days (or something like that).

  • BTW most states have a law that if you drive the car continuously in the state for 30 days in a row it has to be registered in that state. I know MD has such a law and the cops watch who is driving to DC from the “brubs.” They write down the license plates of out of stater and if they see it for more than 30 days they will stop you and ticket you!
    If you go to NJ EVERY city along the Hudson has some form of residential parking. Even in NY many cities have it. The only reason that NY City doesn’t have the power to do it if they want to is that the City of Albany wants to do it and the legislature(for themselves and their staff) have not wanted it.
    Also I want to thank everyone for having a respectful discussion of the issue both pro and con.

  • “here’s how DC handles some of the issues mentioned earlier:

    resident parking, visitor parking, rental car parking, healthcare provider parking…

    http://dmv.dc.gov/serv/parking.shtm

    OMG that is awful. They make you go to the DMV every stinking time you rent a car, and you have to go after you rent the vehicle.

    Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

    Not to mention I frequently pick up cars after 5:00pm on Friday and return them before 9:00am on Monday (and am out of town from Sat. morning to Sun. night), it would be impossible for me to get to the DMV even if I decided I hated life enough to do so.

  • These three stooges should get back to working on another go at Congestion Pricing, instead of wasting time with a stupid idea such as residential permits for a single neighborhood.

    I live and work in Brooklyn Heights, and cannot imagine how permits would make parking any easier here. The contention that people park here in the morning and catch the 2 train to work is simply false. There is no parking to be found.

    Streets are public to the entire city and should be kept that way.

  • Boerum resident- I do understand that. I just don’t think that, for instance I have guests and they find parking outside my house, that they should have to move their car after an hour and a half or 2 because of resident parking. I don’t think we should be making a policy of creating virtual gated communities with public streets by giving residents with cars more rights to them than any other resident of NYC.

  • The real problem with parking in Brooklyn Heights is not the park-and-ride but the city vehicles with parking placards that hog lots of spaces (both residential streets and meter spots) and use the streets as personal parking lots for the various govt/court offices in downtown. The politicians can’t come out and alienate the police department, so they blame the commuters. If the placard holders can ignore RPP as much as they do the existing street rules, this will have little effect.

    There’s a serious shortage of private garage space in BH so to say “just go pay to park in a garage if you want a space” doesn’t really help. On the other hand, the idea that the streets of BH will be empty on the weekends when everyone goes to the hamptons or to wherever else you folks seems to think the entire neighborhood decamps doesn’t really hold up, since the truly rich folks who actually do go to these places have secured their private parking long ago and certainly don’t park on the street. You’d be surprised how many townhouses have parking in side yards, etc. People who park on the street generally don’t own homes all over the world.

  • nortsloperenter:exactly what I mean about headache and bureaucracy. Imagine dealing with a DMV type place every time guest comes or rent or heaven forbid move to different neighborhood. Step up, wait on line forever, take a day off from work, because busybodies like Joann Simon in boerum hill says keep your cars off my precious landmarked block.

  • The rich have their parking needs taken care of in Brooklyn Heights. What do they care what happens to you, our your out-of-town guests, or your rental car, or your visiting nurse service? The old WASPS believe in tough love, especilally to non-old-WASPS. I lived in the Heights for years, the rich there are pretty difficult to deal with. I would not be surprised if they push through an ordinance prohibiting apartment dwellers from owning or having cars in the neighborhood.
    The government cannot kow-tow to these snobs and dingbats. Shame on the councilmembers who are listening to the impractical ideas of the elitists.
    We need more city parking downtown. stop blaming the public for the fault of the planners and the politicians.

  • if it is good enough for those in brooklyn heights it is good enough for those/me in fort greene/clinton hill. i am all for the idea! residents who OWN should be first in line.

  • I hope you’re being sarcastic witchdoctor. If not I’ll remind you that the landed “gentry” lives in England, not here in the US, and that many an “aristocratic” head has fallen in the course of history to our torches and pitchforks. Perhaps you’d be happier in a place like, oh I don’t know….Medieval France?